stop doing this

>>9393567
Set a timer?

>>9393567
Are you boiling water for eggs?

>>9393577
for coffee

You're a retard

>>9393580
Get a kettle then, that way you have the noise to remind you.

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If only there was this device that would boil your water fast and would shut off afterwards making it safe if you'd forget about it

>>9393567
>pink wojak
Kill yourself.

>>9393597
Do Americans really use these?

>>9393680
For people like OP would be useful

>>9393597
US domestic power is only 110 volts EMF.
It would take too long.

>>9393567
Hey get a coffee maker you fuck

>>9393680
No, because it takes approximately 5 hours to boil a cup of water using the weak ass electricity in America.

>>9393751
interesting considering I use an electric oven/ burner to boil my water in a pot with

>>9393754
There's a difference between convection and conduction, anon.

I may be a mentally retarded child, but isn't voltage adjustable as long as you adjust the wattage proportionately? Why can't that be done for kettles?

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>>9393754
The guy you're replying to is exaggerating. It is true that the standard wall outlet in the US supplies much less power than one in Europe, so using an electric kettle would take twice as long.

For other things it doens't matter. Our range/oven uses a 220V outlet just like Europe does. Or you can just use pic related and get boiling hot water instantly without the need to wait at all.

>>9393597

> tfw you live in a country with a chad 240v electrical grid and not a virgin 120v power spout

Being a nation addicted to tea probably spurred the requirement for it.

>>9393774
you can't adjust the wall voltage

>>9393774
The voltage is set at source, the electrical substation.
Voltage is the Electro Motive Force.
Think of it as pressure that causes electron flow.

>>9393789
Correct, you can't adjust it. But it's easy to install a 220V outlet.

I installed several in my property. A couple in the workshop for power tools and my welder, and one in the kitchen for my deep fryer.

I'm not sure why you'd bother just for an electric kettle though. The Japanese type, like >>9393778, runs on 110 and works even faster than a Euro model because it keeps water hot 24-7. There is literally zero waiting.

>>9393778
>Our range/oven uses a 220V outlet just like Europe does.
Actually the kitchen ovens usually are connected to three-phase 230V outlets. Is it the same in the US or just an one phase 220V?

>>9393818
Europe uses 240 volt 3 Phase.
In the USA domestically it's 1 Phase, they use 3 Phase for industrial applications.

>>9393799
How do you install it?
I guess you had to fit a rectifier?

>>9393818
Interesting. I've only had experience with Denmark and England. Both of those were single phase.

Standard in the US for an oven is single phase 240. The current rating varies depending on the age of the house. Some old places only have a 40A breaker. Most newer construction has 60. Three-phase is very rare for residential applications in the US. It is standard for industrial though.

>>9393567
I don't have the attention span of a 4 year old, so I don't

all of this is ignoring the fact that gas ranges/ovens are better

>>9393774
>Claims to be mentally handicapped
>Invokes a modest intellectual conversation
>4chan

Hmm..

>>9393865
>all of this is ignoring the fact that gas ranges/ovens are better
IMO only half-true. While I love to cook with burners I really miss my electric oven. It's simply more versatile and has much finer temperature control.

>>9393842
Three phase 230V is pretty standard in central/western Europe, haven't seen a house or appartment built in the last 50 years without it.
But most ovens I've seen can work both with three or one phase, just with less power when connected to one.

>>9393841
>How do you install it?
Find your breaker panel. Add a 240V breaker to it in an empty slot (As opposed to 120V breaker). Run the correct size wire from the breaker to your outlet. Connect wire to outlet. 240V outlets have a different shape so you can't accidentally plug a 120V appliance into them (and vice versa).

>>rectifier
Hell no. A rectifier converts AC current to DC. It has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

>>9393567
>wake up 7 pm
>spend twenty minutes trying to vomit
>feel better, drink a few glasses of soda
>shitpost until 9 pm, hurry to the store before it closes for more soda and some snacks
>2 am go to mcdonalds for some mcchicken
>masturbate to some gay porn
>play some shitty videogame or watch some crappy anime
>look for someone to start shit online
>masturbate again
>8 am stores are open, go buy more snacks
>make dinner
>12 pm go to sleep
i should stop doing this

>>9393889
fair enough, though i do find that gas ovens come up to temp faster. guess it just comes down to personal preferences as far as that goes.

>>9393910
>i do find that gas ovens come up to temp faster
True, but the difference is negligible for me. What I find impossible to do with the gas oven are things like resting a bread dough at 70°C/158°F or baking certain cakes without hot air convection mode.

>>9393889
>It's simply more versatile
How so? Gas has the following advantages:
-much more powerful
-works with any shape of cookware, including round things like a wok
-instant source of flame for flambeing
-works with any type of cookware material
-works in the event of a power outage
-faster response to temperature adjustments
-much easier to visualize the heat output by looking at the size of the flame

What exactly do you find more versatile about electric?

>>finer temperature control
Sounds like the valves were worn out in your gas stove. I normally find the opposite to be true. Electric works by switching on/off. Gas works by adjusting the size of the flame and thus is usually has better control.

The only advantage electric has is that the flat-top electric stoves are easier to clean.

>>9393958

>>9393979 here
I was talking mainly about the range top. I agree that for the oven itself electric works better.

>>9393597
just want to add, I'm a beaner, but we use the same 115V as burgers, I have a ceramic electric kettle and it boils water in about a minute, I don't know why people says it takes too long in america, but since they ban stuff like kinder eggs they are probably getting kettles cucked from factory to avoid burn victims.

>>9393989
Then we are in full agreement. Don't know if there are more sophisticated gas ovens with e.g. automated temperature control but I doubt even these are useable for low temperature uses.

>>9393996
or they fill it to the brim when only needing some water

>>9394002
that could be it, I usually just heat 2 cups and its boiling quite quickly, a lot faster than the microwave or stove top.

>>9394007
it would heat if up even faster if you'd put the kettle in the microwave

>>9393996
>I'm a beaner
Opinion discarded

>>9394028
and then put the microwave onto the stove top

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>>9394031
ok

>>9393680
Western europeans too, because they are extremely fast.

Are you my grandma? She's burned holes in the bottom of at least 2 pans doing that

>>9393751
>>9393680
>>9393788
>>9393751
Takes like 30 seconds, I use one all the time

>>9393680
I am afraid they do...

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>>9393751
>the weak ass electricity in America.

lol what the fuck is this shit, do yurotards actually believe this

induction kettle when?

>renting spare room from good friend
>his wife is one of my bff
>their daughter is the best
>they go out to eat and catch a movie
>i want some tea
>put copper kettle on stove to heat water
>prep tea
>shoot heroin
>pass out
>family comes home to melted slag on stove
>GODSDAMINT ANON
>left the kettle on
>left the kettle on
>molten slag

>>9395150
It's true, you only have 110v going to your house, the rest of the planet uses 240v.

>>9393831
name 1 place in europe where they use 3 phases for domestic use.
protip: you can't

>>9395186
So? Our appliances run just fine, and are nicer than your crap.

>>9395300
It's cute how you believe that.

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>>9393567
>wake up
>smoke pot
>put water in pot, put pot on stove
>forget what im doing
>im hungry
>fuck, the fuckin pot man

>>9395186
>you only have 110v going to your house
lol nope. It's delivered 240 and split at the load center.

>>9395334
>doesn't know volts from watts
>doesn't know what a transformer is
>it's cute how you believe that
lol

>>9393907
I feel like telling people on this board to perform electrical maintenance themselves is a bad idea. There is a thread on the front page where the OP can't even figure out how to make scrambled eggs.

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I dont get it, why doesnt every house hold have a Thermo-pot, instant hot water any time of the day

>>9393723
one minute is too long? how severe is your ADHD exactly?

>>9395360
not even a minute. europeons don't get that voltage and wattage are two different things.

Do Americans really have to plan a few days ahead if they want hot water?

>>9395393
Unfortunately yes.

>>9395186
Yea and the difference in current draw between running your 3000 Watt Bonginator Tea-and-Crumpet-matron automatic with detachable marital aid on a 110VAC system as opposed to a 240VAC one is like 2 amps, aka nothing when my kitchen outlets are on a 40A breaker and I've never once had them trip running appliances.

>the rest of the planet
You mean all the people with less money than us? Yea I've heard of them.

>>9395186
Is having outlets that fry cellphones a good thing?

>>9395436
https://youtu.be/sgYJ3bqSkN8

>>9395453
>>reddit spacing

that's called standard spacing you incredible fucking faggot

>>9395447
>the yuropoor uses footage of a city hundreds of miles away from me to try to justify his 2000 Yurogoybucks/month cardboard box in the road and the waves of immigration destroying his country.
Hmmm.

>>9395465
>reddit spacing
kys

>>9395453
People have been spacing their posts like that on 4chan and all over the internet since forever you twat. There are plenty examples you can find easily on Google some of which predate reddit

>>9395478
Confirmed flyover

>>9393751
Would you prefer unreliable (if even existent) African electricity?

>>9393908
If nothing else, switch over to a 7 AM to midnight schedule that you're more in step with society.

>>9395539
Is that what Dr Dre uses?

>not having an instantaneous hot water dispenser
you're all plebs.

>>9393580
Why do you want boiled water for coffee? Just use the damn microwave.

>>9395706
Oh you! You little rascal you

Don't use our meme, sincerely, /biz/

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>>9395453

>>9393680
Yes, Eurofag cunt. Are you against convenience or something? Your average working man doesn't have enough time to brew coffee in the morning without one.

>>9395453
>I've never written anything and don't know how to space my paragraphs
Fuck off faggot

>>9393567
This is some baby level shit.

>get home
>put water on stove
>drink 375ml of vodka
>plop down in chair and start lurking
>drunken stupor ensues
>fall asleep
>wake up to burning smell
>pot is now ruined

I've lost 3 pots this way in as many years.

>>9393788
No, higher Voltage means you can have the same Power (watts) with less Amperage and therefore smaller conductors. Other countries figured this out when they built their grids after the US was wired using 110

>>9393831
Typical US household usesSplit/Dual Phase power from the pole transformer. You get 240V phase to phase for your appliances and 120V from each phase to neutral for domestic fixtures

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>>9393774
Bad phrasing. It's the Wattage that's adjustable as long as you change the Amperage. Though that means Americans use twice the amount of electricity when boiling a cup of water.

>>9396084
Paragraphs are indented not spaced you ignorant cunt.

>>9396716
This is a test.
Indenting doesn't work on 4chins.
End test.

>>9395262
here in germany houshold stoves use 3 phase

>>9396711
>Europeans pioneered and understood electricity 100 years ago
>"twice the amount of electricity" -Europeon, 2017
degenerate

>>9396984
It's voltage*amperage. The actual energy in an electron is in its motion. When you run half the voltage you're going to need twice the amount of electrons per second if you want the same output.

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>>9396992
>need twice the amount of electrons
You get billed by the electron?

>>9396724
Use more line spacing next time. The lines appear to mix together without line spacing, like some weird kind of Reddit dyslexia.

>>9396996
In a roundabout way, yes, you are billed for the total amount of energy you consume.

>>9393567
>Boiling water for pasta
>Forget about it
>Come back to find aluminium slag from the handle on the cooktop
>Pot is smoking and warped
>Brother comes in
>Just stares at the pot
>Gives me this sad look
>"Just...you're lucky I love you"
>tfw this is the third time I've done this
>Nearly start crying trying to explain I set a timer, but my phone was on silent
>He just orders a new pot and doesn't speak to me for a hours

>>9396996
Yes. Your price will generally be x amount for every 1000 Watt hours.

>>9397011
post your tits

>>9395515
>Everything outside of Detroit is flyover
Confirmed fucking moron

>>9395186
>It's true, you only have 110v going to your house, the rest of the planet uses 240v.

That's not quite true. Homes in America have a "split 240V service". That means there is both 240 and 120. 240 is used for the oven, air conditioner, heater, and other major appliances. 120 is used for normal wall outlets.

>>9395300
>>Our appliances run just fine
Depends what you mean, really. Big stuff like the oven? Same as Europe. Small stuff that plugs into the normal wall outlet? No way. Not as powerful. You can easily see this for yourself. Look up something like an electric kettle on Amazon and compare the wattages. The Euro versions are typically much more power than than the NA versions.

>>9395352
>>doesn't know what a transformer is
Lol, that doesn't work either.
Normal US wall outlet is 120V on a 15A breaker (10A if you have an old or shitty house).
Normal Euro outlet is 240 on a 15. That's double the power available.

Yeah, you could theoretically get a step-up transformer. One that could supply 240 at 15A would require more than 30A of 110 to operate. It would also be a massive heavy SOB. You can't just plug it into a normal wall outlet because that can't supply the 30A required.

>>9395357
Yep, I mentioned that far earlier in the thread. >>9393778

>>9397014
And 220v current is generated as cheaply as 110v current?
You see the corner you've painted yourself into.

>>9397025
How much do you actually think it costs to change voltage?
Furthermore, power is already transported in high voltage lines, generally far more than 240 volts, so it's a larger stepdown for the American system than the European system.

>>9397025
Yes.
Any voltage can be generated at the same price. When discussing price you must consider the total amount of energy, not just voltage. Energy is a function of voltage, current, and time. Unless you are discussing all 3 variables it's meaningless.

I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I don't see any "corner" here.
120V x 10 A x 1 hour is the same energy as
240V x 5 A x 1 hour and
240V x 1A x 5 hours, etc.
Those are all 1.2 kWh.

>>9397068
>How much do you actually think it costs to change voltage?

Practically nothing. All you need is a transformer. I suppose you have to buy one up-front, but it lasts for decades and has no ongoing maintenance or operating costs. There is only a small inefficiency with the conversion which isn't really worth discussing.

>>9397077
No. Generating 240V current is literally twice as hard as generating 120V current. You're grasping at straws here.

>>9397190
Once again, discussing voltage alone is meaningless.
Generating 240V at 1 amp is exactly the same "hardness" as generating 120V at 2 amps. Those are both the exact same amount of power.

Your point is like saying people with $20's have more money than people with $10's The result depends on how many bills we're talking. 10x $10 bills is a lot more than 1x $20. Either person could have more money but we don't know without the bill count. Saying 20s vs 10s alone isn't enough information.

Explains the American hate towards the electric stove

>>9397209
IT doesn't. Did you even read the thread? We've already established that both US and Euro electric stoves are the same 240V devices.

The difference is limited to small things that plug into a wall outlet, not stoves.

>>9397219
>Did you even read the thread
not him but fuck no, i'm not reading that shit

>>9397202
No that's the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm the one who originally brought up amps and watts in addition to volts. Like much else in Europe, your argument is contrived and tiresome.

>>9397225
I'm American.

What exactly do you think "my argument" is? I think I've been misundersood. All I am doing is stating the literal definition of power and energy. I can't see what you could possibly be disagreeing with, unless there is some kind of misunderstanding here.

>>9397219
>We've already established that both US and Euro electric stoves are the same 240V devices.


"We've" not established shit mate, some butthurt low volt can't handle the truth

>>9397247
There is a misunderstanding, but w/e.

>>9397260
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>>9393774
It can be done, but the electronics to step up voltages are generally larger and therefore more expensive. It's simply not worth doing when you could just pull more current instead.

>>9396126
You do realize the grids, both in the US and other countries, don't run power at outlet-spec, right?

>>9393778
>>9395334
Heat generation is proportional to wattage. If an appliance using half the voltage draws in twice the current, it will generally heat at the same rate.

>>9396711
>>9397006
>>9397014
>>9397190
So much stupid. You're charged by wattage. A 110V 850W water boiler plugged into a 110v outlet will cost you the same amount of electricity as a 240V 850W water boiler plugged into a 240v outlet.

>>9393567
phone timer.

>>9393996
Mi negro

>>9393680
Yes faggot, allows to drink tea you stupid cunt.

>>9394227
They use it in Some parts of russia ,also Kazakhstan

>>9393723
US voltage is 120v, retard. And it's RMS not EMF lmfao

>>9398088
>>9398091
>>9398096
kys

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>>9398098
>RMF
Retard

>>9398098
>RMF
>Retro Motive Force
kek
cretin

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>>9395186

>more voltage = more power

Did Europeans even show up for physics class?

>>9398262
Of course there's the factor of the current as well (i.e. the rating of the circuit breaker).

But those happen to be the same. So it really is true that the typical Euro circuit can supply twice the power of the typical NA one. They're both 15 amps, so:
Euro = 240 x 15 = 3600 watts max
NA = 120 x 15 = 1800 max

>>9398266

I'd concede if someone could give me one way Europeans have a better quality of life as a direct result to having higher current delivered to their homes BESIDES making their fucking tea a minute sooner.

>>9398276
Nobody said the quality of life was any better.

But it's undeniable that their wall outlets are capable of supplying more power than those in North America.

I always wondered why a lot of them sperg out over muh electric kettles anyway. The Asian type, which has been posted multiple times already, is even faster than an electric kettle, AND they work just fine on 120V.

>>9398286

One reason, because Europeans, specifically brits, drink more tea than us. America is fueled by shitty 10 dollar coffee mates that do essentially the same thing as their electric kettles, just with the added feature of dispensing the hot water over coffee grounds.

Most Americans would just buy the coffeemate than the electric kettle because they drink more coffee than tea.

I mean, I'm an American that uses an electric kettle for both tea and coffee, but I'm just generalizing.

>>9398194
>>9398201
Who are you quoting?

>>9398266
>But those happen to be the same.
You do understand that breakers are rated in voltage and current, and that you can change them, yes?

>>9398286
>But it's undeniable that their wall outlets are capable of supplying more power than those in North America.
They're not. Why are you people so stupid?

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>>9398635
>You do understand that breakers are rated in voltage and current, and that you can change them, yes?

You do realize that it's very unsafe to just randomly go sticking a higher current breaker into a panel, right? The wiring will most likely not be able to handle it safely.

>They're not.
But they are. The standard Euro wall circuit is 240V with a 15A breaker. The standard North American wall socket is a on a 120V circuit with the same 15A rated breaker. In many older homes the circuits are only 10A.

Sure, in both countries there do exist higher current breakers as well as larger wiring which is required to use them. Those are used for special things like your water heater, oven, and so on. In industrial applications they are used for power tools, welders, etc. But I'm not sure what those have to do with standard wall outlets. Pic related is a North American (NEMA) standard 120V 20 amp receptacle. That's the first step up from the normal 15A rated receptacle. When was the last time you saw one of those in a normal home?

I get the feeling you took an EE class but have zero experience with the electrical code or what's actually installed in homes. As they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

>>9398701
>You do realize that it's very unsafe to just randomly go sticking a higher current breaker into a panel, right? The wiring will most likely not be able to handle it safely.
It's also unsafe to touch both ends of a car battery when you're replacing one, but thankfully arguments that assume you're a retard aren't valid arguments. My breaker panel has 15, 20, 30, and 40 amp breakers. The 30 and 40 are for 240v lines. It's your own fault if you've wired your house like a herp-derp so that you can't use stronger breakers.

>But they are. The standard Euro wall circuit
>standard
The post I replied to for that did not specify a comparison of standard or typical. If you want me to assume said post is a continuation from the one two previous in the chain, accidentally leaving out the limiting factors required for the statement to be true, and then rephrase it it to include that, then yes it would be correct.

>20 amp receptacle.
You don't need a 20 amp outlet to draw 20 amps through the breaker, unless your breaker only connects to a single outlet. Regardless, I wouldn't consider them rare.

>>9397272
>you're charged by wattage

Microelectronics engineer here, I'm going to try my hand at clearing this up. I'm not a power engineer or an electrician, but the basics of electricity and power apply everywhere so it's probably fine.

In terms of the actual cost, you're charged for however much actual energy you consume. Current is not energy, voltage is not energy, and even wattage is actually not energy. Wattage, or just watts, is a measure of power. Power is the rate of energy consumption per unit time. Watts in particular are measured in Joules per second, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt) where Joules are a measure of energy.

Thus, in the example given:

> A 110V 850W water boiler plugged into a 110v outlet will cost you the same amount of electricity as a 240V 850W water boiler plugged into a 240v outlet.

You're correct, those two devices will use the same amount of energy, provided you used them for the same amount of time. In this situation, the 240V boiler would not need to draw as much current, but it would draw the same amount of power, and thus heat the water at the same rate.

Electricity pricing varies from country to country, and even wildly within the same country, but in the united states, pricing is typically figured out based on the energy demands of a particular customer, particularly for residential customers. That is, the price you pay for electricity is figured out based on the actual amount of energy you consume. At least for the united states, this is measured in kWh, or kilowatt-hours. It's a different scale than Joules, but it can be converted back and forth pretty easily.

>>9393567
How fucking long are you walking away for, shit-for-brains?

>>9393680
Literally why wouldn't you use it considering boiling water takes like 20 seconds with one?

>inb4 some bullshit about how the water tasted better when you take 5 minutes to bring it to a boil in a kettle

>>9399658
>It's your own fault if you've wired your house like a herp-derp so that you can't use stronger breakers.

I agree completely. But surely you must realize that he overwhelming majority of people did not wire up their own home or apartment. They have whatever the builder installed. And that is going to leave them stuck with the standard 15A breaker. And no contractor installs oversized wiring without being explictly instructed to do so given how much more it costs than using the minimum required by code.

>>The post I replied to for that did not specify a comparison of standard or typical.
How autistic are you? If we're having a general discussion about comparing two countries then of fucking course we're talking about standard or typical installations, not some custom shit that applies to 0.0001% of homes.

>>You don't need a 20 amp outlet to draw 20 amps through the breaker
Indeed, but in a discussion about specific, single, cooking appliances then the type of outlet is obviously relevant.

>>9401160
1) They're just not a thing in America. Yeah, you can get them, but most people don't know they exist.

2) My family has one (Father is British and uses it for his tea). It takes a fuck of a lot longer than 20 seconds.

3) If you really were concerned about speed, then why not use the Asian type which requires zero waiting at all? For example, >>9395357
or >>9393778

>>9393680
No and I like how everyone saying so isn't american

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>>9393680
>my joyful visage after I learnt that europeons use electric kettles and sped 30 seconds boiling water instead of

>waking up 5 am to the sound of their rooster
>making fresh firewood at the shed
>getting water from the well
>spending an hour heating the stove
>burning their fingers on the hot stove door
>boiling the water in a real kettle

If you're really that inept you should just microwave the water

>>9395262
It's common enough in Germany & the Netherlands for homes to have a 3 phase Perilex connector for an oven.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perilex

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>>9396069
>making coffee with a kettle

>>9401395
And what do you use? An expensive coffee machine?
A moka?

>>9401408
A normal coffee machine, like any normal human being.

>>9393567
Why not use water boiler

just microwave the water you dunce

>>9401395
>I've never heard of a french press before

>>9395186
Rubbing your footy pajamas across the floor and zapping someone is ~20,000 V