Holy shit why didn't anyone tell me that tofu+soy sauce

>>9321594
I am a vegetarian of 10 years and what the fuck are you talking about?

I eat animals because I fucking hate them.

>>9321621
This. Fuck animals.

Stupid nigger animals. Fuckem

I eat animals because they taste good.
Please analyze my mental gymnastics senpai.

I eat animals because god said it's okay

>>9321628
>>9321631
>tfw stupid fucking slut sows and heiffers are getting the shit raped out of them right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGrFIKAeVDc
GOOD

>>9321594

I wouldn't hate most arrogant vegans if they weren't so fucking up their own arse about being a vegan.

I eat meat because I enjoy eating it, I grew up on a standard diet, enjoying balanced meals of veg/carbs/meat.

I acknowledge that animals are harmed for this but personally, I don't mind.

I don't particularly care about animals and I happen to live in a society where they are practical and affordable nutrition, so I eat them.
*lies down on yoga mat and farts*

enjoy your bitchtits.

>>9321594
Because nobody would blatantly lie like that?

>>9321621
I keep eating them, but these asshole farmers keep getting new ones.

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>>9321669
Bitchtits are the least problem with hormone-pumped meat.
The same meat that causes bitchtits also causes a host of deadly conditions ranging from cancer through heart diseases.

>>9321637
Better yet, he put them here especially for us. And it's rude to turn down a gift, so vegans will go to hell.

>tfw you'll never kidnap a cute virgin bitch, force feed her veal, kid cooked specifically in mother's milk, fois gras, and then the final course- ortolan

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>>9321681
That's legitimate bold faced lying garbage. I agree that people with a diet that largely revolves around gorging themselves on red meats all day every day are not going to be healthy, but saying it's the meat's fault is pants-on-head backwards. It's like saying residential running water should be avoided because it causes "a host of deadly conditions" such as slipping in the shower or drowning infants in the bathtub.

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>>9321681
fix'd

>>9321681
i'm not even arguing for eating meat. i'm just saying you probably shouldn't load up literally everything you eat with fermented soy products

>>9321594
bottom is far better training regiment... top is just lazy

>>9321594
>caring about animals

Are your some furry shit?

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>>9321732
>#126
fucking hell...

>>9321594
Fixed:
>I care nothing for animals save how they taste
>eats burger

>>9321683
>>9321637
I know you're both being facetious so you might be surprised to learn that what you're saying is, in fact, Biblically supported, if a tad misleading.
Besides Genesis explicitly giving man dominion over animals, there are other scriptural sources specifically denouncing vegetarianism.
The Pauline epistles, for example, warn against it as an afront to God's gift of dominion over animals. He says those who eat only vegetables are weak in their faith in the Lord and therefore have no authority to pass judgment on others for eating in the manner God gave us the right to eat. IIRC, this is found specifically somewhere in his epistle to the Romans but other epistles contain similar admonishments of vegetarianism.

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All those cartoons are really making me think...

>>9321750
make her passed out for the last one

>>9321732
But that's litterally what I say whenever some vegan jackass asks me "don't you care about the well being of the animais and the planet ?" No I don't. I'm indeed a selfish asshole. Fuck of and let me enjoy a steak

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>>9321706
The hormone thing was a little overdone, but meat is still a carcinogen and can cause cancer and heart disease, even in those healthy males that also are omnivores
But that aside as well, it's also many different factors with the meat, the environment it was raised in, the actually cleanliness of the meat itself (for example, ground beef being the most disgusting commonly bought meat, heavily concentrated usually in E. coli and grounds for other disease) obviously if you cook properly you're gonna be okay 99%+ of the time.
And even with all the medical science, I'd rather choose to live a omnivore diet. I tried vegan for a couple weeks, tried all different recipes and combinations of vegetables and legumes and grains, etc. made sure I was getting enough b12, magnesium and all of that, but still felt really exhausted a couple weeks later. I also found that most faux meat products can't properly replicate true flavor profile

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>>9321757
Not having to add anything makes it funnier though.

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>>9321783

>>9321730
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>>9321775

>it's not a moral dilemma

That's right. It's a question of how much more we want to fuck the environment.

>>9321753

maybe it would be good to start thinking

>>9321786
>Not having to add anything makes it funnier though
you're right I overthought it

>>9321783
>You can't use wild animals as your moral guide
>moral guide
The thing stopping most people from doing any of the things mentioned is fear of repercussions.

>>9321594
I thought tofu was a fucking meme until I finally bought some to try and it's fucking great. You can cook it in a bit of oil and it gets nice and crispy, and will soak up the sauce no problem

I'm not going vegan or vegetarian or anything but fucking shills convinced me that tofu was disgusting.

>>9321818
>maybe it would be good to start thinking
I think you mean feeling, because all your reasons are based on fee fees.

>>9321816

But how much meat do you eat exactly?

>>9321830
Tofu can be (depends on brand) pretty shitty alone because it's an ingredient, not complete food.
Anyone who says tofu is bad is a retard who never cooked it properly. Eating raw tofu is like dumping water on flour and eating the raw dough with a spoon.

>>9321831

No, that's not the case. I reduced my consumption of animal products because of health reasons and because the environmental damage done by meat production (and to a lesser degree by dairy production) is insane. (I also try to buy regional products because of this.) Moral feelings come in last for me.

>>9321834
I don't know, some meat product maybe 2-3 times a week. Somewhat infrequent but a far cry from vegetarian I really enjoy charcuterie and sausages so those are treats. I eat out on average once or twice a month, and when I eat out I will always have a meat dish.

other than that my diet is largely rice/veggies/salads.

my absolute favourite food is crab, but I am landlocked as fuck so that's rare.

>>9321851
A cartoon with that argument would work a lot better than any of the ones in this thread.

>>9321594
>I love animals
they left out the *eating part
pets are only a thing because the bourgeoisie saw the farmers having fun with their animal workers and got mad jelly
And then the middle class copied that


Also, you're allowed to like something but not all things
Turns out, palm oil is worse for the environment than burgers are
Doesn't stop plenty of vegans from enjoying chocolate hazelnut spread

>>9321859

That' pretty cool.

I don't think that we as a society need to be strictly vegetarian/vegan. It would be great, if everyone cut it down to 2-3 times a week.

If we could only stop thinking/discussing in black and white patterns...

>>9321869

Yeah, but only few want to inform themselves, let alone have a productive discussion (on the internet and in real life...)

>>9321594
i dont love animals
loving all animals is insane, its what crazy people do, why would you love animals? do you love people and plants aswell? what does loving animals mean?

>>9321638
>crazy people
who wouuld have guessed?

>>9321879
I remember reading something about this (specifically, the environmental impact that could be achieved by reducing meat intake a seemingly small amount even in a group of people as relatively small as the US) but I'm having a lot of trouble finding it again.

It was a pretty convincing alternative take on the problem of reducing world meat consumption while also kind of highlighting just how much meat we consume on average, which took me by surprise.

>>9321875
>pets are only a thing because the bourgeoisie saw the farmers having fun with their animal workers and got mad jelly
[citation needed]

>>9321875
>pets are only a thing because the bourgeoisie saw the farmers having fun with their animal workers and got mad jelly
Alt-left was a huge mistake

>>9321783
humans kill other humans all the time

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>>9321594
Local man discovers salt makes stuff taste good.

>>9321909
but we don't pretend like it's "right"

>>9321928
what is war?

>>9321943
we don't pretend like it's "right"

>>9321956
then why does it happen?
you can say all you want but words are cheap and meaningless, you clearly support war through lack of action, there are lots of things you wouldnt stand for and things that would make you feel forced to do something, to take to the streets or become violent
war is not one of them, you may not like war but you actively support it
that means that to you war is ok and justified or at the very least worth it

>>9321594
That artwork conveys a lot of narcissism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRfHlBk4Pcg

>>9321732
Vegans treat their worldview like religious fundamentalists
>everyone must be obsessed with trying to disprove my exact beliefs in particular because they're so right

I'm kinda both sided about vegans.
On one hand i agree, meat is yucky and domesticated animals should not exist (if no one will buy the products).
On other hand wild animals are also harmful and should be eradicated for humanity

>>9321967
>there are lots of things you wouldnt stand for and things that would make you feel forced to do something, to take to the streets or become violent
>war is not one of them
this happens all the time what are you talking about

like, in a very literal sense, all the goddamn time

>>9322000
when did you take part in it?

>>9321988
>On other hand wild animals are also harmful and should be eradicated for humanity
Won't happen until robotic overlords take over and destroy all life.

I'm eating vegans cos YHWH says it's ok.

>>9322024
>trusting the invisible jew

>>9321928
thinking it's wrong is a learned behavior
you have been conditioned by the society you grew up in to believe it's wrong

if shit was still tribal you wouldn't have any qualms about killing members of a rival tribe for stealing one of your goats.

killing isn't "wrong", its just that we acknowledge that killing as a first resort isn't the best choice when we are trying to advance socially.
If you're ok with living like an ape with your own hands in the woods then there's not much downside to it.

>>9322006
2006, when canada was gettin all hot and bothered about Afghanistan again.

>>9322038
so you havent done anything about it in ten years...
and you still think you are opposing it
how does that work?

>>9321669
>what are soy products

I don't eat animals that I love, and eat animals that I don't love. Is that so hard for vegans to understand?

I love certain animals. Others I just see as a resource. I've never pretended otherwise. I don't go around talking about how cute cows are and how they should be pets because they would make shitty pets. Its why we love traditional pets because of what they can do and offer.

>>9322135
You've made a very quick switch from "why haven't you done X to support your belief that Y is wrong to "doing X is literally the only way to support your belief that Y is wrong," and that's a pretty blatant fallacy.

It sounds an awful lot like you're creating a bunch of hoops to justify your nonsensical position. The statement
>if shit was still tribal you wouldn't have any qualms about killing members of a rival tribe for stealing one of your goats
is the textbook definition of a strawman. Your conclusion
>killing isn't "wrong", its just that we acknowledge that killing as a first resort isn't the best choice when we are trying to advance socially
is floating out there completely unsupported by any argument you've put forth.

Apply your logic to literally anything else and it boils down to you either saying you tacitly endorse everything, or fundamentally rejecting the notion that people are capable of believing something is right or wrong (e.g. when was the last time you marched against child rape). Both of those positions are very clearly absurd and not practically applicable in any way outside of an anonymous internet debate. Summarised:

>animals kill other animals all the time
>humans believe killing humans is wrong
>even in wars
>to suggest that you are incapable of believing that killing in a war is wrong without "[taking] to the streets or [becoming] violent," or that the only way to believe that killing in war is wrong is by taking to the streets or becoming violent, is absolutely false, just as much as belief in anything else being right or wrong.

>>9321828
who said anything about most people

>>9322398
Vegans took Animal Farm too literally, and are incapable of perceiving value differences between any two animals. An oyster is the same as a doctor to them.

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>I know, I'll just drink salt!

Jesus. Anyway, we pretty much only eat animals we created ourselves...to eat. They're not very good at being wild animals anymore and would basically just die out on their own. You live in a twisted universe where your species, even before it learned to read and write, was hard at work twisting small bits of the animal world into a tidal wave of flesh so delicious and so stupid it can serve no other purpose but to feed us. Meanwhile biodiversity hasn't decreased as a result of that action except through tertiary means, many landraces of those same animals still wander the earth, it's not as if we needed to catch them all. Cast that astride the fact that megafauna used to be everywhere in the world. Your ancestors turned to animal husbandry only when they had eaten all of the boss monsters. Not just some of them, allllll of them. So yeah, your preening refusal to admit you're a predator and that animal husbandry is the best thing that could have happened is just progressive hippy bore-shit. Be happy we aren't hunting the world to death.

If you need a food eco-issue focus on overfishing, currently a third of the world's people can't even stay alive without protein from the sea and they're genuinely killing species off. In comparison to that opposing farming industries that are non-destructively making money for your country just seems like you're making excuses to help the commies fuck us up.

You have tiny baby muscles and that's why those ball-crushing skinny jeans fit your gay butt. Xenoestrogen freakbaby.

>>9321594
The non-vegan is way cooler.

>>9322499
Congratulations! You win not just one, but two rewards!
First one is for the most edgy post in the thread.
Second one is for the most pretentious and Dunning-Kruger post in the thread.

>>9321621
>still can't decide if I should braise my cat or turn him into a casserole.

Guess you'll live yet another day, bastard.

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>>9322539

>I genuinely believe morality is relative and cultural rather than inborn and honed by maturity because I can't see past the curtain of poverty behaviors in my overbuilt, overpopulated welfare state

Oh wow it's almost like people need a functional purpose in their community or something. Yes, I'm sure sparing the lives of a few literally retarded farm animals will make the pain go away. You get a banana sticker.

>>9321594
Is this supposed to upset me?

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Veganism is merely a symptom of the decline of the West.

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>>9321681
Fixed
>>9321712
Fuck too late. Still gonna post it cause replicating that font was hard.

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>>9321681
These comics are so full of strawmen I think I almost saw a crow fly by.

>>9321594
>vegans are incapable of even walking properly
>non-vegans do crazy sick tricks every minute

>>9321750
I smells a virgin/chad edit in the making

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>>9321594
Animals aren't self aware, so it's okay to eat them.

>I care about animals
>even though a fair number of them would kill me without a second guess, others are actively bad for the environment, and sometimes everyone benefits from eating certain animals
you probably shouldn't start from that premise if you want to win an argument
environmental impacts are a better argument
but I don't care so fuck you

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there is no moral justification for veganism or better put

no moral punishment

All Abrahamic religion sanction and bless Mans dominion over the Animal Kingdom and this is stated clearly (see genesis)


while in an athiestic universe, there is no punishment for being immoral so killing animals doesent matter.


NO MATTER IF GOD EXISTS OR NOT
EATING MEAT WILL NEVER BE PUNISHED

>>9322819
>NO MATTER IF GOD EXISTS OR NOT
There can be a god who isn't the subhuman cunt of a """god""" that abrahamic yhwh is.

>>9322819
>Morality is the things you do to avoid punishment.
I think you have that completely backwards.

>>9321758
i'll care about the wellbeing of animals when animals care about my wellbeing
hence why I care for dogs, am suspicious of cats, and don't give a fuck about cows pigs or chickens

>>9322825
god is a personification of the universe
yhwh is cunty because the world is a hard and uncompromising place

>>9322849
God is an invisible sky grandpa made up by people who looked into the sun while on weird weeds.

>>9322871
>on weird weeds

Nah, they were illiterate starving desert pilgrims who hallucinated from lack of nutrients and dreamed a crock of Abrahamic shit for sustenance.

>>9321594
My dog loves me, I'm an animal. Should my dog be a vegan? Wonder if she'll like soy on her tofu.

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>>9321594
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>>9322912
Joke's on you, dogs aren't obligate carnivores and can actually eat vegan diets just fine.
For a great deal of human history, dogs were eating diets where organs and bones were at most a supplement, with bulk of the diet being starches and vegetables. That was before fancy vegan supplements that cover all needs of any animal up to - and often including - house cats.

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>>9322819

Yeah, hardcore atheism here for anthropocentrism because...how does anything else make sense? If you follow the ecocentric pathway to it's end it's inevitable that we should go away for the good of the planet. There's even a voluntary human extinction movement, though as you might expect it's appeal is limited to people that might be described as "fedorable".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement

Meanwhile it's pretty clear to me that giving birth to a self-aware species is the most interesting thing that could happen on a planet at all. Why mess that up? Either live in an ecologically balanced forced "utopia" in which you are basically a savage or reach for the stars and try to find the solutions that will fix it all. We should eat animals simply because the effort it would take to cease doing so and properly adapt to not doing so is a waste of energy that could be spent on actually trying to solve the problem instead of bragging to girls about how sensitive we are.

>>9323011
>Either live in an ecologically balanced forced "utopia" in which you are basically a savage or reach for the stars and try to find the solutions that will fix it all.
You are incredibly retarded if you think that being a corpse-eating ghoul savage will get anyone to the stars.

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>>9321782
legitimately laughed, edit of the year, 7/10

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>>9323004

I guess I'll just feed my cat nothing but salad then. Oops, where did she go? Funny how animals that have only been domesticated for 4000 years will just leave if you don't live up to your end of the deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat#Physiology

>"Another unusual feature is that the cat cannot produce taurine, with taurine deficiency causing macular degeneration, wherein the cat's retina slowly degenerates, causing irreversible blindness."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine

>"Taurine occurs naturally in fish and meat."

>"Taurine levels were found to be significantly lower in vegans than in a control group on a standard American diet. Plasma taurine was 78% of control values, and urinary taurine was 29%."

>"According to animal studies, taurine produces an anxiolytic effect and may act as a modulator or antianxiety agent in the central nervous system by activating the glycine receptor."

>"A study of mice hereditarily unable to transport taurine suggests it is needed for proper maintenance and functioning of skeletal muscles."

>"Taurine has been shown to reduce the secretion of apolipoprotein B100 and lipids in HepG2 cells.[38] High concentrations of serum lipids and apolipoprotein B100 (essential structural component of VLDL and LDL) are major risk factors of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease. Hence, taurine supplementation is possibly beneficial for the prevention of these diseases."

>"Taurine crosses the blood–brain barrier[21][22][23] and has been implicated in a wide array of physiological phenomena including inhibitory neurotransmission,[24] long-term potentiation in the striatum/hippocampus,[25] membrane stabilization,[26] feedback inhibition of neutrophil/macrophage respiratory burst, adipose tissue regulation and possible prevention of obesity,[27][28] calcium homeostasis,[29] recovery from osmotic shock,[30] protection against glutamate excitotoxicity[31] and prevention of epileptic seizures.[32]"

>>9323075
>post a massive wall of text
>instead of reading the post you reply to and noticing that your wall of text does absolutely nothing to disprove it and only proves you can't read

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>>9323021

No, I'm saying following impractical bullshit solutions to existing problems because you have fee-fees isn't helping us get to the stars so much as it makes your dick tingle. I don't care about your dick and neither do the stars.

If you actually gave a shit you'd stop people from deforesting shit to make space for caddle instead of bitching at the people who eat them. One of the targets is a lot smaller and easier, be smart.

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>>9323087

>animal need thing only in meat
>thing make healthy
>need eat meat for healthy
>you are not healthy

I was pretty clear but if you need it in caveman. By the way, housecats died at 10~15 years old and typically were blind at the time of their death if not fed real meat before cat food was supplemented with taurine. It was considered cruel not to cook meat for your cat until like 1970-something.

>>9323097
>I'm blind and I don't know what people I dislike do
>therefore people I dislike only do things I think are inefficient
Damn, you're great at this whole personal echo chamber business. You don't ever attempt to consider the reality, just go straight for your preconceived notions and biases and assume they're correct.

>>9323108
>before cat food was supplemented with taurine
Funny that you mention taurine.
Read up on where is that extra taurine acquired.
SPOILERS: Not meat

Why don't we fucking kill all vegan and turn them into manure and animal feed for all the sacred animals and plants? Surely there's no higher honor for them.

>>9323004
Oh my days his serious about vegan dog diet, by gosh I though we were all just joshing with this vegan malarkey. Don't talk to me or my dog ever again.

>>9323112
From chemical reactions. If you were thinking seaweed you're incorrect, it contains very low amounts compared to meat. Even then carnitine is still essential for cats and dogs and is only found in meat.

>but the oldest dog is vegan

Yeah one out of top ten oldest dog is vegan. All the other 9 where omnivorous. Age also seems to be largely genetic and less with how you care for yourself.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4822264/

>>9323360
>Even then carnitine is still essential for cats and dogs and is only found in meat.
>is only found in meat
You pretend to "talk science" and yet you fail to even check what you're talking about?

>>9323317

This is retarded. I don't see anything wrong with arguing your case for something you believe in. That being said I'll never be vegan, but it's not wrong to ask people to consider it.

>>9323396
Infidel

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>>9321732
>WELL BEING of the earth
>Eating animals is against the well being of the earth

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>>9323109

Why do that when I can bully you as well?

>>9323112

Chemical synthesis. Hint: I'm suggesting vegans take taurine supplements, it might help your sanity and scientifically speaking that's not even a joke.

>>9323409

I want to see these idiots let all of our captive animals out and then spend a decade and trillions of dollars cleaning up the damage from what is biologically no different than blowing up a huge dam.

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>>9323521
>i-i'm bullying you
Holy fuck, you're as pathetic as you are retarded.
Which is a lot - I shouldn't need to stress that, but you'd miss that otherwise with your double digit IQ and all that jazz.

>I want to see these people much smarter than me let all of our captive animals
Pic related

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Why are vegetarians so annoying and yet so hot?

>>9323537
Having someone point out your faults is annoying.
Doubly annoying if you are too weak-willed to fix them.
Quadruply so if you're in denial that it's your weak will causing it.

Imagine being an alcoholic drowning in own vomit and having someone ruin your alcoholic binges by reminding you you shouldn't have alcoholic binges.

A vegan broke into my house and killed my dog because I told him I love my dog and would still have no ethical dilemma over hypothetically eating dog meat.

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>there are people who don't realize that the overwhelming vast majority of animals can't conceptualize their own death and so have no fear of it
>people anthropomorphize animals and act as if animals have human emotions and fears
>tfw vegans try to pretend chickens are some kind of beautiful, moral, caring creatures

>>9323541
This does not in any way address why they are so attractive, let alone comment on their duality between attractive and annoying.

>>9323553
They're not attractive. You posted screencaps from anime.

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>>9323529

>i r the smrt but never rply 2 argument

Yeah if you can't tell I got bored a while ago and am just satisfied with you continuing to be angry. Pic not related because you'll always be a disgusting hipster fad. You don't understand human nature, don't understand science and probably won't breed because it would be taking up an african child's oxygen to have your own child that also breathes oxygen.

You'll try to resort to authoritarianism and terror like all left-wing idiots and the rest of the world will crush you under their boot-heel like they always do. Meanwhile your mere carbon footprint for just needing electric lights and a computer is destroying the environment 100 times faster than eating some stupid animals. Voluntary extinction is the only way!

veganism is going to be pointless and obsolete when lab-grown meat is available

>>9321621
I eat a vegan diet for health reasons. It gives me the energy and long life to torture more animals because I hate them.

>>9323317
>ethnically ambiguous
A-ok!
>white
evil

I know what you're up to, rabbi.

>>9321943
always evolving

>>9321594
I dont care about animals.i only care about my pet. I win anon

Why do they always call meat "dead bodies" and "corpses" as if it'll convince anybody?

>>9322032
Better than trusting any real human.

>>9324007
Not if you're an SMT character.

>you cant like 1 thing 2 ways
ayy lmao

>>9323962
A lot of vegans (not all of them though) just want to feel superior to other people and get into arguments. They'll claim that they're just trying to reduce suffering to living creatures and then laugh at people suffering from a disease spread by ticks just because it has a side effect that makes them allergic to red meat. They're hypocrites, and they just want to convert people and have them join their cult.

>>9324103
Had a vegan room mate for a year, can confirm. Dude wasn't concerned about the neighbor abusing their dog, and was apathetic about half a million dairy cows being slaughtered for the milk price-fixing scandal. But he would always talk about the moral rights of animals.

>>9324055
You can choose to eat animal products but you then forfeit the right to care about the feelings of animals. Smarter people than you have tried to argue your position and have always failed.

>>9324223
Dumbest shit I've ever read. Eating meat doesn't somehow remove your innate sense of empathy you spastic. The human mind isn't a mathematical equation that removes feelings for animals to balance out the addition of meat to your diet

>>9324233
You can choose to live off plant-based products for a cheaper price if you live in a developed country. If you are eating animal products, you are doing so out of wants, not needs. I know this hard for you to understand so you are throwing around insults but you cannot logically argue this position.

People who eat meat but love their pets ultimately have to admit that they are irrational on this topic.

This thread made me decide I will have steak for lunch.

I sued to hate tofu until a week ago when my uncle made it and actually pressed out the water and cooked in in the over first.
I was just retardedly throwing raw tofu chunks into sauce before.

>>9324223
Acting like every animal is equal to one another is total bullshit and no one except maybe people who follow Jainism think that way.

Do you let rats stay in your house? No you get an exterminator that'll crush its head and get rid of the pest. We don't give a shit about harmful insects or roaches.

Cows are dumb animals, Chickens especially so. I have no guilt over producing, killing and then devouring these animals.

I'll give you that I have a weakness towards pigs, pigs are intellent animals.

>>9324238
>People who eat meat but love their pets ultimately have to admit that they are irrational on this topic.
I love my dog, my dog loves Burgers. So guess what I'll make burgers every now and then and give him one.

My cat fucking loves Sushi.

>>9324251
Did he fuck you afterwards?

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>>9324238
>People who eat meat but love their pets ultimately have to admit that they are irrational on this topic.
Nothing better than the crazy people saying "I"m not crazy, you're crazy!" [spoiler]It's not us, it's you.[/spoiler]

>>9323566

What the hell are you talking about? It's been well established that the meat and dairy industry are THE biggest cause of Earth's degradation.

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>>9321594

>>9324473
Become part of the pro cow movement

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>>9323566
>y-you didn't reply to some irrelevant shit! i win!
>u-u mad, not me!
haha this is so fucking pathetic dude
It's clear that you got hurt - you wouldn't imply so hard otherwise. You're autistic if you can't see how clearly you present your real feelings.

>farmers cannot care for their livestock

Oh, just fuck off.

>>9321594
>non vegan has the strength to exercise and not be a total bitch
I agree 100%

>>9324581

> And it is once believed humans once swung through trees

False.

> Which humans are designed to do

False.

> Starch is the reason why the brain developed

False.

>>9323011
The only end point for an activist vegan which makes sense is complete annihilation of life, not just human. Natural suffering is no different to the animal as human imposed suffering and nature is cruel.

>>9324737
Or just, you know, making humanity be something that makes the world better rather than worse.

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>have a vegetarian coworker
>always brings food in a jar that looks like nasty pre-digested grey-green shit

Why do hippies freak out about genetically modified foods for themselves but encourage lab grown meat for the rest of us? Hypocrisy at its finest.

>>9324747
But that won't stop animals from eating each other alive. The annihilation of life is the only thing which can stop animal suffering.

Note I said "activist vegan". If you make it your business to end animal suffering it's the only thing which makes sense. If you simply want to contribute to it as little as possible it's different.

>>9324755
>vegans
>hippies
Dude, we have this radical, gnarly stuff called "not 90s anymore".
Here vegans are no longer anti-GMO hippies, but pro-GMO (still anti-corporation), pro-nuclear power, and knowledgeable in nutrition, economics and philosophy.

>>9321783
>>9321775
>>9321732
>>9321712
>>9321594

Do vegans not know that Animals are not People, or moral agents and as such there is no moral dilemma.

>>9324747

The world doesn't give a single shit about what humans do, if anything it wants us all dead because mother nature is a dick. You should only be focusing on making humanity better the world can go choke on a dick for all I care.

>>9324354
I'm not a vegan though, I'm aware of how hypocritical the vast majority of omnivores are. Nice try though

>>9324783
The world would be better off without animal agriculture you mong. There is a net loss in food when you feed animals food and then kill them to eat them. Way to miss the point and try to sound like an epin badass.

>>9325119
>There is a net loss in food when you feed animals food and then kill them to eat them.

You aren't thinking this through, anon. Yes, there is wasted efficiency in rasiing animals. But that's missing the fact that animals can eat crops that we humans cannot digest. An animal, while inefficient, has the ability to convert cellulose (which we cannot digest) into meat, which we can digest.

It's also missing the point that there are many vital nutrients which are much more available when consumed from an animal source than a plant source.

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>when you're the result of about a billion years of evolution but you decide to throw it all away by surviving off lettuce and weighing 80 lbs.

>>9325119

I didn't know that we can eat the hay cows use for feed.
Not to mention meat is easier to preserve and store than other food

>>9324773
Vegans are trendy retards that only respond to targeted advertising.
Right now both government and corporations want to reduce meat consumption because it's expensive and carries a lot of risk for disease and they rather have food grown in a lab than a farm so vegans or wathever they call themselves now go and shill this shit like in the past they shilled anti chemical or genetically modified food and wanted to live a more natural life
That's why we don't listen to them
Quick, think of something bad
I know it's hot outside today that means the world is getting hotter, here are a lot of models that don prove anything, ignore the other models that don't support our theory for no other reason than they don't support our theory, more taxation now
Just look at transgendes, it started with some men have a female brain Wich was never proved and now there are 60 genders and 99.99999% of the population falls into two and it's still supposed to be scientific

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Pretty sure Rabbits solely exist to be eaten. They wake up and die of fear basically. They can't even live in the wild without being terrified and dying. They have no natural defense mechanism except kicking, which doesn't actually do anything against all the animals that want to eat them.

So if you feel bad about eating meat, at least eat Rabbit. They're the plants of the animal world.

>>9325172
>I know it's hot outside today that means the world is getting hotter, here are a lot of models that don prove anything, ignore the other models that don't support our theory for no other reason than they don't support our theory, more taxation now
>anti-vegan ghoul is also a global warming denialist, modern flat-Earther
Pottery

>>9325177
Rabbits are starting to fight back though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfQKmHp2fm4

>>9321732
>I AM SILLY

>>9325103
You see hypocrisy and irrationality. I see someone who is sadly ignorant of their own stupidity.

>>9325336
Can you try making an argument? Because it sounds like you have none when all you do is sling insults, friendo :^)

>>9325152
Oh.. I see. Anon doesn't understand what deforestation is. It's okay, you'll learn about it sometime in middle school.

>>9325402

>Oh.. I see. Anon doesn't understand what deforestation is.
The world is actually getting greener, and the majority of worlds forests are managed forests.
And I didn't know we could eat trees either.

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>>9325177
>being this retarded

Rabbits will literally eat you to death without predators

>>9325398
I'm sorry. "Your claim has no supporting logical basis upon which is stands." Have fun.

>>9325443
Their only survival tecnique is having tons of babies

I have warned you guys for years about tolerating vegan posters.
Now look at all these threads every day.
Zero vegan tolerance is the only answer

Vegans can't meme.

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>2017
>still eating living flesh
Have some creativity and make yourself a good vegetarian dish every now and then. Hint: If what you cooked tastes bad, guess whose fault it is.

>>9325490
Actually it's dead flesh.

>>9321594
Why is it so hard for vegans/vegetarians to understand that people care about some animals more than others.

>>9325496
When you eat meat, you're actually eating an animal. Think about that. It's unsettling and that ought to be a hint that what you're doing is not right. You literally don't need to eat meat.

>>9325509
>When you eat meat, you're actually eating an animal
See, this is why I can't take vegans seriously, you assholes are so condescending. What the fuck makes you think I don't know that?

>>9325517
>What the fuck makes you think I don't know that?
Because I don't think you'd be capable of picking up a live chicken and eat it right there like a tiger would. You can only stomach the nice cuck version of it deep fried and sold in a little box. You don't want to confront the issue that a conscious creature died for your very unnecessary meal.

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>>9325509
>When you eat meat, you're actually eating an animal.

>>9325539
>You don't want to confront the issue that a conscious creature died for your very unnecessary meal.
There's no issue to confront. You sound like you'd have an anxiety attack when I tell you I've killed a rabbit in my backyard and then ate it.

>>9321594
vegan mental gymnastics
>builds identity around not harming animals by eating them
>proceeds to harm animals by razing their habitat for farm land

>>9325539
>that a conscious creature died for your very unnecessary meal.
That makes it taste better.

>>9325509
Wait...meat is actually an animal?

>>9325549
That puts you in the minority of meat eaters, so I'll give you credit for actually having killed your prey.

If you don't see anything wrong with what you're doing, that's fine. Almost all the creatures on this planet have no problem with killing other creatures even if they do not need to. Not every creature can be capable of compassion and morality.

>>9325509
You also dont need to ever open your eyes but it helps.
Retard, enjoy your protein deficiencies, vitamin deficiencies, and being forced to take pills to be equally as healthy as omnivores for the rest of your life

>>9325575
>>9325542
If meat eaters don't give a shit that they're eating an animal, why do they always remove the face?
>inb4 the face doesn't taste good

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>>9325474
>burrowing,
>mad flips
>surround vision
>duck camo

>>9325576
Implying morality isnt subjective
This is probably bait though

>>9325577
>Retard, enjoy your protein deficiencies, vitamin deficiencies, and being forced to take pills to be equally as healthy as omnivores for the rest of your life
At worst, you have to take a DHA supplement from algae or make an exception for fish oil. Vegans must take B12 also, but vegetarians still eat eggs and dairy, which have B12.
>You also dont need to ever open your eyes but it helps.
Not eating meat doesn't make you on par with blind people. A better comparison is that you can survive without having sex--which you prove is very possible.

>>9325580
Because you cant eat the fucking face.
Also you have obviously never had whole pork roast at a party, they do leave the face on

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>>9325577
>protein deficiencies
There is enough protein in white bread. Literally - if all you ate was white bread, you would have enough protein by mass. Not of proper type, but if you added beans, you would have no protein deficiencies.
>vitamin deficiencies
Ghouls have many more of those.
Vegans (not vegetarians, only full vegans) need B12.
>equally as healthy as omnivores
Actually much healthier. Vegans lead longer, healthier lives than ghouls, though vegetarians live even longer than vegans.
Vegetarian+pills > vegan+pills > vegetarian > vegan >>> ghoul

I don't call ghouls omnivores for the same reason I don't call a pedophile who build bridges a bridge builder who likes children but rather a fucking child rapist.

>>9323594
kek
im gonna have to start saying this to vegans

>>9325598
Are yo the guy who drew the vegan artbook YEAH comics? You sound like him.

>>9321637
*burp* God isn't real, Morty. *braaaap* Just gotta rip that Band-Aid off.

>>9325576
>Not every creature can be capable of compassion and morality.
Your problem is that you've separated the world into black and white, with the delusional denial of gray. I can be compassionate with my friends and family members, or my pet cat. But I also know that I would have no qualms with killing someone in order to save a family member or close friend. These are not mutually exclusive mindsets.

>>9325580
every pack of meat products should come with a slice of animal face and a selfie
kinda like before-after sort of disney deal

>>9325604
Nah, I can't draw.
I'm not an artist - I'm down to earth, rational and pragmatic. Those aren't qualities of someone who makes art; I'm great at designing systems and at logic, though.

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>KFC-eating lardasses on mobility scooters, who take insulin shots and 10 medications a day at specific times to keep living to eat more KFC tomorrow in their air conditioned trailer, criticizing vegetarians for living an unnatural life by taking a multivitamin pill

>>9325580

The face on most animals is bone with skin.

It adds flavor to a broth but it's not edible.

>>9325617

Oh boy that stawman sure sounds like a hypocrite.

>>9325616
>at logic
Im 100% sure this is bait now

>>9325617
>leaf eating bone asses who only walk because if they run their bones break, who take vitamin supplements and testosterone injections 10x a day to function like a normal human being.

I like how vegans are always going on about "this isn't what nature intended", yeah I'm sire nature intended you to take a laboratory created pill to be able to get enough nutrients to not pass out every time you try to lift something somewhat heavy or run

>>9325616
For someone who claims to hold such traits, you've made a pretty funny display of blindly believing "facts" without proof. Not to mention spouting obviously incorrect bullshit. Why not back up your claims with sources, if you're so superior.
I look forward to some vegan gains level of sophistry, where you link sources that support half of your compound statement and act as if this makes the other half valid. My favorite is when he puts the positive spin on the description for something vegan, and the negative spin on the description for the opposing non-vegan option, but carefully chooses his words such that he doesn't actually say one is better than the other.

>>9325614
Compassion for other animals doesn't mean that you cannot have compassion for yourself. The ethics of a vegetarian don't mean that you have to be a cuck.

Just because there's a gray area in some morality doesn't justify dismissing the whole morality. You can kill to save yourself AND (not OR) save others. It's not like you kill a pitbull attacking you one day, or kill a home invader, and decide that thereafter, greeting people with "Hello" would be contradictory, so you start shooting them instead.

Also, it's NOT actually a gray area to simultaneously be compassionate to the animals around you (like your friends and family or cat) and also kill other animals. Killing other animals for food is NOT the same as saving yourself; you are not in a post-apocalyptic scenario where there are no other foods. "It tastes good," hopefully is not your reason for this being a moral dilemma. It's plain cognitive dissonance--not some gray area.

>>9325643

>Compassion for other animals doesn't mean that you cannot have compassion for yourself.
Why give compassion to a being that lacks the ability to understand compassion let alone be compassionate in kind, especially when that being is not a moral agent.

Would you be compassionate towards a robot?

>>9325650
How do you know that the animals you eat don't have compassion? Have you seen birds and mammals defending their newborns? Elephants do funerals.

If you have compassion for yourself/fellow humans, and also understand evolution, then you should have compassion for other animals too. You're no different from animals. Of course the obvious reason you do not is that you see humans as superior, i.e., tribalism. Consider that however superior humans may be to pigs, the level of consciousness of pigs doesn't change. Humans could be anything from primitive Homo erectus (barely better than pigs) or infinitely superior interdimensional gods, and the experience of living as a pig would still exist in the same way. The pig is a conscious creature with sensation, memories, fears, desires, and decision making. If you had to take a wild guess at which is more moral to consume, would it be that or a peach?

>Would you be compassionate towards a robot?
It's funny that you would associate animals and robots in the same league. Robots right now are nowhere near the level of animation and consciousness as pigs. If someone came up with a robot that was as conscious as a pig, then people wouldn't call it a robot anymore.

>>9325702
>vegan is served meat at a party or house or anywhere
>"no ty im vegan"

The animal is not going to come back to life to appease you, the meat will be thrown away and the animal will have died for nothing. Eat the damn meat you're being served and eat vegan when you cook for yourself.

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>>9325702

>How do you know that the animals you eat don't have compassion?
We have done psychological tests and most of them lack self awareness and as such can't even get close to being moral agents. Also no animal can reason.
>Have you seen birds and mammals defending their newborns?
Have you herd of survival instincts.

>Consider that however superior humans may be to pigs, the level of consciousness of pigs doesn't change.
Yes it does, the simple mental capacity determines if an animal has consciousness and some have less then other if even none.

>Humans could be anything from primitive Homo erectus (barely better than pigs) or infinitely superior interdimensional gods, and the experience of living as a pig would still exist in the same way
You are going on some sill train of thought.

>The pig is a conscious creature with sensation, memories, fears, desires, and decision making
Sensations are physical reactions. Memories is stored information. Fears are instinctual reactions animals don't develop irrational fears as they lack the ability to reason. Desires you would have to proved to me, because I won't count biological and instinctual impulses to survive and breed as desires. And they have limited if any decision making, it's all based on previous interactions and lacks innovation.

>It's funny that you would associate animals and robots in the same league.
An animal is just a meat based robot.
>Robots right now are nowhere near the level of animation and consciousness as pigs
Yes they are quite above the level of a pig, we have created AI's that can function independently and create other AI and adapt as well as have self awareness.

>If you have compassion for yourself/fellow humans, and also understand evolution, then you should have compassion for other animals too. You're no different from animals.
Yes I am different from animals and so are most humans. Animals are not moral agents they lack the ability to be.

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>>9325744
>An animal is just a meat based robot.
So are you. Should I eat you then?
>Yes they are quite above the level of a pig, we have created AI's that can function independently and create other AI and adapt as well as have self awareness.
Lol, the best AI system right now is 1,000x dumber than a rat brain, and that's just on the parameters of memory and speed. Pic related.

>>9325580
What am i gonna do with a fucking cow skull?

>>9325582
Those are all just stuff they learned to pick up girls.

>>9325598
Edgy

>>9325824
You can try to eat me but I'd beat the shit out of you

>>9325842
ho ho sure got 'im

>>9325824

>So are you. Should I eat you then?
You can try. But my moral reasons for not eating people are not that it's an animal. It's that it's a member of the same species as me and it's a moral agent animals are neither.
>on the parameters of memory and speed
Memory is irrelevant when it comes to an AI, since you can always add more storage systems as need be, especially with the advent of the internet.
Only thing of note is speed.

Fuck vegans.

>>9325850
>Memory is irrelevant when it comes to an AI, since you can always add more storage systems as need be, especially with the advent of the internet.
I'll take "things he knows nothing about" for 100, alex

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>>9325597
>they never had roasted lambs head

>>9325866

AI is software the memory is dependent on hardware. Yes you can always add more memory.

>>9325850
>Memory is irrelevant when it comes to an AI, since you can always add more storage systems as need be, especially with the advent of the internet.
It's not irrelevant, it's the bare minimum assuming the program uses memory as efficiently as a biological brain does. They aren't using more RAM because their programs aren't doing anything (like being a rat brain) that would make use of it.

>>9325880

That's still besides the point.

>>9323396
Theres a difference between arguing your case (in front of someone who wishes to hear it) and giving someone an ultimatum.

>>9325642
Uma delicia

>üntermensch tier
Meat-based diet; only eats beef, chicken & pork
>pleb tier
Vegetarian; mostly eats carbs and dairy products
>autism tier
Veganism; eats fake versions of what meat eaters eat
>patrician tier
Balanced diet; only eats game meat, plenty of vegetables, no dairy products and few carbs

>>9326326
>DAE LE CARBS XDDDDDD

You have to go back

>>9326334
>DAE LE BACON XDDDDDD

>>9326326
>worst things in the world tier
Things I don't do
>best possible tier
Things all common plebs like me do

>>9321621
>>9321594
This, also remember to rape your animals before you eat them.

>>9326373
Actually I'm too poor and like cheese too much to be patrician tier, but I don't let cognitive dissonance prevent me from realising it's the truth

>>9324581
>Starch is why the human brain developed

Aside from this making no sense per evolution, what starch? There wasn't a single source of it humans would have been able to consume prior to the agricultural revolution that would have occurred in sufficient abundance. Our ancient ancestors overwhelmingly relied on meat and nuts, particularly when things like fruits and berries were out of season.

>Nutritionally educated

No they're not. The only people with a valid science side opinion on nutrition are dieticians. Everyone else is relying on studies that can be easily bullshitted.

>Humans swung through trees

No we didn't. Some may have, but those jungles you're thinking of humans generally didn't come from. Whether it was the forests of Europe or the African savanna we didn't really have dense, fruit filled jungles to live in. What's more those fruits you're thinking of were seedy and virtually inedible 200,000 years ago.

>Physically designed

Aside from the fact that in evolution form fundamentally never begets function, how?

I don't even hate vegans and I have a ton of respect for anyone who can keep to the diet, but the amount of anti-science that floats around the vegan community is insane. It wasn't just Steve Jobs who thought his diet would magically cure Pancreatic Cancer.

>>9326326
>plenty of vegetables
>few carbs
are you a retard?

>>9325744
>no animal can reason

This is based on the Aristotelian anthropocentric with man at the top. A simple review of this wikipedia article with footnotes indicates that is nonsense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_consciousness

But supposing we wrongly assume as you argue reasoning is confined to humans and animal behavior is only instinctual. The reasoning behavior in humans itself is instinctual and therefore affords no higher ground than that of animal behavior. But, you may try to argue, it allows for our ability to be moral and therefore "above." That of course falls flat on its face since humans are the only species that routinely kill and torture for pleasure. Furthermore, the "reasoning" you so proudly hail as being superior to any other animal has directly resulted in a capability to annihilate homo sapiens at the press of a button and created a soon to be uninhabitable planet. No other species willfully self destructs.

tl;dr the false notion of only humans possessing reasoning even if it were true would be no reason whatsoever to set humans above animals.

>>9326409
>humans are the only species that routinely kill and torture for pleasure

Blatantly false.
Even the lowly housecat murders and tortures smaller animals for fun.

>>9326409

>The reasoning behavior in humans itself is instinctual and therefore affords no higher ground than that of animal behavior.
Humans consciously choose to forgo instincts in their daily life as well as create things.
>That of course falls flat on its face since humans are the only species that routinely kill and torture for pleasure.
Most felines are known to play with their food. From the common house cat to lions. But even if humans were the only ones that can take pleasure it doesn't disprove my point. Humans are the only moral agents and as such can do both good and bad, animals are as I said before biological robots their actions, reactions and presence has no moral worth.

>Furthermore, the "reasoning" you so proudly hail as being superior to any other animal has directly resulted in a capability to annihilate homo sapiens at the press of a button and created a soon to be uninhabitable planet
>Nuclear weapons and pollution is bad so humanity is bad
>No other species willfully self destructs.
M8 any animal species can go haywire.
> if it were true would be no reason whatsoever to set humans above animals.

Please stop it's clear as day that you are a new age neo-hippy drone. That can't or doesn't want to see the human spark. You have drank the equality cool-aid to the point where you can't see the superiority of man over beast and over nature. Or when you see it you go on a tirade of how supposedly man is pure evil and by contrast animals are somehow pure good.

>>9326400
>Aside from this making no sense per evolution, what starch? There wasn't a single source of it humans would have been able to consume prior to the agricultural revolution that would have occurred in sufficient abundance.
>The only people with a valid science side opinion on nutrition are dieticians
lol, this is some good comedy

>>9326596
>man's superiority over nature
>take the only known habitable planet with clean water, air, and land, poison and overpopulate it to the point of being uninhabitable
>every tweak to try to fix the problems results in further destruction
>b-b-but we might be able to send a handful of our destructive viral DNA to another habitable planet someday

Just stop. Humans in their current incarnation are a force of absolute destruction. Superior to nature? You're fucking insane.

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>>9326654

>-b-but we might be able to send a handful of our destructive viral DNA to another habitable planet someday

It's like I am talking to a husk of a man or even worse maybe some animals developed the ability to shitpost and now I am talking to a pelican suffering from PTSD when it got confused for a trash can and is now being assblasted on the web.

>Superior to nature? You're fucking insane.

Yes because all nature can do is breed and die.
Meanwhile man has the ability to do everything from leaving this rock to making art to ending it all.
But please if you think humanity is pure evil then go live with the pigs. Since apparently you want to revert to being nothing more than an animal.

>>9326596
>Humans consciously choose to forgo instincts in their daily life as well as create things

Reason itself is instinctual, therefore the argument, "animals are lower than humans because they only rely on instinct," is patently false. Do you even logic, m8?

Face, it m8, you're simply trying to assuage your "moral" conscience by denying the fact that reasoning exists in other animals and reasoning itself is an instinctual evolutionary development reaching its low point in homo sapiens. Enjoy your contradictory moral turpitude and degradation.

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>>9326693
>or even worse maybe some animals developed the ability to shitpost and now I am talking to a pelican suffering from PTSD when it got confused for a trash can and is now being assblasted on the web.

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>>9326697
>Reason itself is instinctual
It's the most pseudointellectual thing I've read today.
Now, my "today" started just an hour ago, but I don't expect this little fact to change anytime soon.

>>9326697

>Reason itself is instinctual, therefore the argument, "animals are lower than humans because they only rely on instinct," is patently false. Do you even logic, m8?
Reason can't be instinctual. Instinctual means an innate behavior or reaction.

Let's say that some species of animals can reason to some extent. It still doesn't make them moral agents.

> Enjoy your contradictory moral turpitude and degradation.
Even assuming your previous statemnt would be true it still doesn't counter act my moral position.
I don't see animals as moral agents and as such I care not for them being in my sandwich.

>>9326725
>Reason can't be instinctual. Instinctual means an innate behavior or reaction.

Exactly, except substitute "can't be" with "is," since humans and some other animals have developed that capability and have the foundations of "rationality" encoded in their DNA without their own volition. Learning of language is a perfect example. A capability, I might add, that manifests as hell bent on destroying not only the homo sapiens species (which would be a blessing), but the planet earth itself. Think about that. Your individual culpability in the human inflicted destruction of the planet might be reduced, especially if you don't (god forbid) breed.

>>9326878

>Your individual culpability in the human inflicted destruction of the planet might be reduced, especially if you don't (god forbid) breed.
Your words just give me encouragement to have kids.

Because here is the kicker in the end your herbivore kind rarely breeds and as such it will go extinct.

>>9326962
Don't cut yourself on those edges, muslim.

>>9326976

I am no kebab, but at this point kebabs are preferable to your kind.

>>9326986
How anti-white do you have to be to prefer being killed to having to bear someone who just points out inadequacies that you can fix?
Constructive criticism angers and frustrates you, while a white person would just try to get better.

>>9327010

>How anti-white do you have to be to prefer being killed
You are implying that there are muslims where I live, that they are coming here or that we are letting them here.

>who just points out inadequacies that you can fix?
I didn't know that you telling me humanity was a cancer that needed to die was an inaccuracy.
>Constructive criticism
Or that it counts as constructive criticism
>while a white person would just try to get better.
According to you by committing Sudoku.

>>9327025
Different people, dummy

>>9326976
>>9326986
>>9327010
>>9327025
>anons discussing reason and rationality in relation to veganism
>/pol/ steps in with muh muslim distraction

You fucks are so pricelessly shallow you're not even as deep as a toddler wading pool.

>>9327080

Even you are not the same guy all but my last point are still valid.

>>9327090
>not being a beast that """thinks""" with dick
>same as le kys xD

>>9324238
>irrational to eat the meat of an animal that is bred to be eaten
>irrational to not eat the meat of an animal that is bred to help humans
>also irrational to feed said animal that helps humans with said animal that is bred to be eaten

Yeah, okay. You don't understand basic categorizing and differentiating. Oh, and if push came to shove and I'm starving, guess what? Fido is din-din.

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>>9325616
>I'm not an artist - I'm down to earth, rational and pragmatic. Those aren't qualities of someone who makes art; I'm great at designing systems and at logic, though.

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>>9321594

>>9323409
nigga factory farming is terrible for the earth
>toxic runoff
>pollutes the air
>pollutes the water
>deforestation

>>9321783
>>9321775
I'd fuck the blonde

>>9325443
First, that is in Australia and because of an obviously introduced species into a fertile environment.

Second, the only reason they managed to spread so wide is because Australians are fickle and are only now understanding how to cook lamb of all meats, let alone rabbit.

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>>9325616
oh hi there

>>9321594
I eat animals because they taste delicious.

I blow my dog because I love him.

There is a difference between the two concepts.

>this image
>270 replies
/ck/ gets really triggered by veganism. pretty hilarious

>>9325873
Fuck me, that's a lot of salt

>>9323394
Are you retarded

>>9321594
what the fuck are you talking about, that literally the example people use when talking about tofu

>>9323396
wew lad you would have loved the 90's and all those you are going to hell people

>>9329095
Most of /ck/ is barely capable of cooking scrambled eggs, no wonder they see veganism as a threat.
Veganism requires the ability to cook a meal from ingredients, not just
>put thing in pan
>set fire under pan
>turn fire off when food starts to turn black

>>9330222
Not at all. My sister and two of her friends are vegans. Collectively they have the cooking ability of a brick. They either eat out at trendy vegan restaurants, or when they eat at home they buy pre-made vegan meals and microwave them. They like to get fries from fast food places and put salad dressing on them. Oh, and pasta. They eat a fuckload of spaghetti with cheap tomato sauce dumped on top. All of them are fatty mcfatfat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGcYabz3hYg

I'll just have coffee for dinner but yeah, animals need meat and idk why humans would be the exception

>muh supplements

I hate vegans and enjoy doing things to spite them.

Argument over.

>>9321594

Why can't everyone just do what they want to do and not make a big deal about what other people eat? I have friends that are vegetarians/vegans, We respect each other's approach to food and I don't think I've ever gotten a speech more than twenty seconds about eating veggies to save animals.

I guess it just baffles me because nobody is ever gonna convince someone else. The fact of the matter is that a diet in either extreme isn't a good idea and can hurt your body. Too much meat can cause problems and a fully vegan diet isn't going to give you nearly the vitamins you need to stay healthy. If you really believe that veganism is the right way then just don't be pushy, trying to guilt people into changing their minds really doesn't work.

>>9330437
Never seen a troll before, anon?

>>9330443

Oh no, I have. It's just that this is how like, 99% of vegan discussions turn out on the internet. It just confuses me sometimes. It's like arguing sega vs nintendo, there's never a 'right' answer so it's just an endless loop of the same discussion points

>>9330356
>animals need meat and idk why humans would be the exception
>fluids dissolve things and idk why water would not be hydrochloric acid

>>9330470

But with a vegan diet you miss out on fundamentally important nutrients and have to take supplements. So... it sounds like humans aren't the exception.

>>9330483
>I don't know anything but will still act like an expert. So... it sounds like water is still literally hydrochloric acid.

>>9330470
Animals which eat solely vegetables have one or more of the following evoloutionary adaptations:
-they are coprophagic (i.e. they literally eat their own shit to re-digest it), such as rabbits, hamsters, etc.
-they have an exceptionally long intestinal tract
-they have a rumen, aka "multiple stomachs"
-they regurgitate their food and re-chew it (cows "chewing their cud".

Since humans lack these traits (just as we lack the traits of a pure carnivore) it's pretty clear that we are in the same group of animals who are omnivorous.

>>9330493

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide/vegetarian-and-vegan-diet

"A meatless diet can be healthy, but vegetarians -- especially vegans -- need to make sure they're getting enough vitamin B12, calcium, iron, and zinc. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics warns of the risk of vitamin B12 deficiencies in vegetarians and vegans. Vitamin B12 is found naturally only in animal products."

So, are you gonna greentext me with ">muh facts" or something next?

>>9330499
>-they have an exceptionally long intestinal tract
Human intestinal tract length to body length ratio matches that of herbivores.

>>9330512
>Vitamin B12 is found naturally only in animal products
Or bacteria.

>">muh facts"
Lmao, you're so desperate you're shitting on facts now.
What do you want then, opinions?

>>9322552
This is the beautiful part about not needing to register your pet in America. You can get a litter of any mammal commonly seen in a household as a pet, dogs, cats, shit, while were on the topic, even a shitton of birds, and you can raise them to be nice and plump until ready for harvesting. One quick air pellet to the head and VOILA, fucking freshly killed meal ready to cook. GOD I LOVE AMERICA.

>>9330523

Uh, you were the one shitting on facts and providing no evidence. Also if you have to derive a vitamin from bacteria then guess what, that's a supplement that you need to supply an important nutrient.

Also the intestine thing is silly because other omnivores like chimpanzees have similar intestines.

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>>9330554
>omnivores like chimpanzees

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>>9330558
Chimpanzees are omnivores dingus

inb4
>the photo he posted was neither a chimpanzee nor Toyotomi Hideyoshi

>>9330523
>Human intestinal tract length to body length ratio matches that of herbivores.

Why would body length matter? Compare by mass, not length.

>>9330533
>I never raised an animal in my life nor have I ever killed one either domesticated or wild

Yeah, edgelord head right on back to your >>>/b/ gore threads.

>>9330586
>Chimpanzees are omnivores dingus

Indeed. They're even known to practice cannabalism. There's a few videos on youtube from BBC nature.

>>9330604
>There's a few videos on youtube from BBC nature.
Get out /pol/

>>9330603
I've had to do all three. When you live in rural louisiana an food is scarce in the winter, the chinese start looking like master chefs with their cat eating

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Hey I'm going to Wendy's do you all want anything?

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>>9325582
when in colour this picture looks like shit

>>9325450
So what is so illogical about this argument? If you acknowledge that animals suffer and their lives should be valued and you live in a society that allows you cheaply live off a plant-based diet, how can you claim to care about animals if you still eat their meat and or fluids?

>>9332669
Do you treat every stranger you see the same as you treat your loving grandmother? If you see a bear, are you going to go "aww, so cute!" and try to pet it like you would someone's pet dog?
All animals are not the same. The expectation that a person should treat, deal with, or think about all animals the same way is quite insane.
To go further, even animals within the same species are not the same. I don't love my family's current cat as much as I loved our late cats because I grew up together with those late cats whereas I didn't get to spend any significant amount of time with the current cat before he was already 3. Also this fucker doesn't cuddle at all.
I treat animals like the individuals that they are. I don't love any animals because they're animals. I love specific animals because I love them specifically. Meanwhile you're stuck in this make believe blanket-statement-esque world where people can only care about all animals or not care about all animals.

Much like I don't give two shits about the people who were murdered in some state I'll never be to, I don't care about the feelings of a cow that's going to give me delicious tasting steak. There is no hypocrisy here, you're simply a racist.

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>>9325582
I want to taste one. But do I oven it like a duck or stew it like a rabbit?

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>>9322676
When I see these photos my first thought is usually that their clothes must smell awful.
They're soaking their sleeves in blood and guts and we all know they're not throwing those grubby jackets in the washer right after. Damn.

>>9325539
>conscious creature
Oh that's a good one.

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>tfw kurban bayram is near and streets will run red with animal blood
>poor people who could never afford such ecstasy will experience the wonders of meat
>tfw I will eat all the delicious meat in the world and there's nothing you can do about it
Feels good

>>9322676
>>9332720
Holy shit they look so subhuman
Like someone dressed up goblins in human clothing

Like they're literal ghouls

>>9321681
Top-right is the guilty. Prove me wrong.

>>9323553
It's not that vegans are attractive it's that attractive girls are generally pandered to and guys pretend what they have to say isn't retarded for the sole purpose of having sex with them, and this cycle repeats for each guy, who only sticks around to get his dick wet and leaves, and this gives the girl the impression that her shit doesn't stink and her crazy ideas are somehow tenable because nobody challenges her.

So, it's not that vegans just happen to be attractive, no, it's that the people who end up with bullshit idiotic fringe beliefs like veganism or antifa are generally people who aren't challenged on the merits of their ideologies, and that's something that happens to people who are attractive regardless of what those ideologies are..

>>9333221
Top left is more guilty.

Death is just a few moments, being bred and raised just to die is a lifetime.

>>9332784
>streets will run red with animal blood
What kind of shithole are you from?
In my place they only slaughter on open field and dig a hole to make sure the blood won't flow anywhere.

>>9333227
I'm not actually serious you stupid fuck, there are designated closed areas for it.

A plant based diet is not good for humans.
If you want to be vegetarian for ethical reasons, do it. But don't pretend it's better for you or try to manipulate scientific finds nfs to support your bias.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjmV8BlsJTQ#aid=P-lDzbHN0hQ

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>stop eating meat
>cows are killed off because they take up too much space
>deer die of starvation due to lack of predators
Either way meat tastes good and I'm willing to pay for it. Why does it bother vegs so much?

>>9333994
Nottu disu shittu agen
>cows are simply bred less and less, not killed in a single holocaust
>deer aren't hunted specifically for meat and sport, but population control still exists
>due to tons of deer, predators have more food and breed faster, controlling population naturally
It's like you're trying to create a fake, sterile situation just for a weak argument to be stronger.

>>9321782
This made me cry.

>>9325616
This is a good shitpost. Srs