why is sushi expensive? its practically fish bait. you should

>>9199333
Because it's an art, it takes years upon years to master, the best fish isn't cheap and no it's not cheaper in Japan, most western places on charge out the ass because they know people will pay, lesser quality and usually frozen ingredients and chefs with basic knowledge, you won't really see sushi like you do in the west in nip land, it will usually be at a bar like sweating and you will have a chef prepare in front of you what he want you to eat.

>>9199333
buy pantry ingredients in bulk online and make your own, I recommend making your own pickled ginger too because it's ridiculously easy, restaurants are going to try and squeeze out every penny out of you

>>9199333
You can find cheaper sushi in convenience/grocery stores, but if you go out to a restaurant that serves sushi you'll pay more because it's popular and people are willing to pay those prices. I know multiple people who would eat a lot of sushi for a few months and then hardly ever eat it again, I think those are the kind of people they're banking on because they can charge them a lot while offering low quality sushi. You're better off finding an Asian-style buffet that serves sushi if you can't find a place like >>9199455 describes where there's a chef preparing the sushi right in front of you, for you. That's when it's usually worth it because the ingredients are better, it's fresher, it tastes better, etc.

>>9199333
>is this shit cheaper in japan?
Lets say the overall price range is wider.

>>9199455
>it takes years upon years to master
No. Sushi only requires cutting raw fish to a specific size and shape and making the rice. Doing this for 40 hours a week should only take a few months to do well.

>lesser quality and usually frozen ingredients
The best sushi uses fish frozen to 0F degrees. This improves the flavor of the fish and is the only way to kill any pathogens.

>a chef prepare in front of you what he want you to eat
I'll order what I want, I'll pick it apart if I feel like it, and I'll leave whatever I don't care for on the plate. Fuck authoritarian ancestor worshiping traditions.

>>9199495
i have never been to a sushi place where it is premade. even the tiny places you can weatch the chef stand behind a counter preparing your food. It's not much more than a regular meal from a half decent restaurant. I'm a fat fuck and I'm full after like 4-5 pieces of nigri and like 6-8 pieces of maki. That's like, what, 15 bucks?

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>>9199333
Most kaiten-sushi in Japan is cheap and gives fast service. Pic related is an example menu, everything on that list is 100JPY (0.90USD). If it shows 2 pieces, you get 2 for 100JPY. More expensive cuts like unagi only give you 1 piece for 100JPY. It also tastes the same/better than sushi restaurants in the west but not as good as table sushi restaurants in Japan

>1 dollar per mouthful of egg and rice, two of the cheapest staple foods on this planet

Weebs like >>9199455 need to kill themselves, I don't care if you fold it over 1000 times. The Japanese, culturally, have some of the most autistic tendencies you'll ever see. They figure out how to do something and then it becomes a religious practice that they'll fight for and defend to the death.

Egg on rice? MOST HONORABUR SUSHI TECHNIQUE, BAKA GAIJIN WIRR NEVER UNDERSTAND!

Invent a sword? MOST HONORABUR KATANA BEST SWORD FORDED 3 TRIRRION TIME CUT THROUGH BAKA GAIJIN

That entire island has its head stuck up its ass.

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>>9199559
then stick with the pizza rolls you uncultured bug

>>9199466
>restaurants are going to try and squeeze out every penny out of you

How the fuck do you think they stay in business?

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>>9199333
Go to the fish market yourself, butcher, filet, and slice the fucking fish, make the perfect rice and get it to the perfect temperature, make your sauces, roll/form it, then wash all your dishes before you sit down to eat it because otherwise that will be hanging over your head. Make sure not to factor in the hours you won't be able to work while preparing the meal because it's going to take a while. Then enjoy!

You can find sushi in the west that's better than a large percentage of sushi restaurants in Japan. Places like California especially.

Training for sushi making is logarithmic. Each extra year of training will make you marginally better with diminishing returns. But with a food as simple as seasoned rice and uncooked fish that is also very lightly seasoned, it'll be perceptible to those who care. Apart from flavor, texture makes a huge impact. Rice that's too starchy or packed too tightly will be less enjoyable to eat than well made rice. Fish sliced in a certain way and the thickness to which it is slices will also play a role in your perception. Fish to rice ratio is also something worth considering.

Will the avreage person care? Probably not. It's the difference between a fast food burger and one you'd get at an upscale restaurant. Both good but for different occasions.

>>9199455
What I haven't been able to put together is this...
IT IS ART. But the portions should be smaller in that respect.
Just enough to welcome the flavors, and then say farewell.
Japan style...kokoro...

Three to six rolls then. Not twelve.
Twelve overstays the welcome. Three to six.
That has art to it....less than enough is enough.

Then the ingredients mean something...
It's not a meal, like lunch or dinner...It becomes personal.
Nobody gets that in the states...Like Japanese tapas....

I can't blame the owners for catering to the "scarf down throat" though...
Get your money mang.....do it...

>>9199455
>they know people will pay, lesser quality and usually frozen ingredients

stopped reading. sushi made from fish that hasnt been flash frozen has no flavor

>>9200305
>rolls
Rolls aren't really the main focus of Japanese style sushi. Nigiri takes center stage there. Rolls are really only predominant in western style sushi.

>>9200081
This.
The ingredients ARE cheap. It's the effort and the fact that it tastes shitty unless pretty fresh that makes it cost more.

>>9200342
Correct, sir...I was speaking to the general western style. We eat sushi like fast food...we miss the point.

Didn't sushi used to be the poorman's food. What changed?

>>9200412
Some guy told me sushi used to be sold on street corners in Japan back in the day and shit like hot dogs and tacos are here. Maybe the same thing that happened to lobster and shellfish in the west.

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>>9199559
>I'll order what I want, I'll pick it apart if I feel like it
>picking apart sushi

Fucking off yourself you insolent child.

>>9199455
>and no it's not cheaper in Japan

Confirmed for never having been in Japan.

>>9199333
There are gourmet hamburgers too, you know.

>>9199333
>is this shit cheaper in japan?
Yes, Sushi is street food in Japan.

>>9199596
The thing is Japan never claimed these things

The autistic fetishism is true, but it's only weebs claiming japan has best cuisine, best sword, etc.

The japanese themselves are quite taken with French cooking actually, it's huge over there

>>9200562
Some of the best French bread bakers are Japanese right now actually. It's because the whole fucking culture has autism, and food service IS autism at a high level. And I say this at a food service autist.

>>9200562
Japan doesn't actually exist, it's just a weeb hallucination. Actually the world outside America doesn't exist, except England and France. Every time someone makes fun of me they're English and they hate America and are literally raping America every time they make fun of my temper tantrums that I throw when faced with food that isn't a hamburger. And also when someone says American wine isn't good, then it means they're French and they only exist to make me feel uncultured and dumb, because the Judgment of Paris.
t. /ck/

>it's another "Burger tries food other than Hotpockets and Pizza Rolls" thread

>>9199333
Depending on the place in Japan, you can get 20 nigiri and maybe a beer for around 10 dollars, though that's only at the cheapest conveyor belt places. The quality drops with the price, but at $10 it's easily worth it, especially if you enjoy the novelty of sushi being sent to you on a conveyor belt and mini-shinkansen.

That being said, sushi can get more expensive as you move into actual restaurants, but the quality goes up as well. The difference between 100 yen salmon and 300 yen salmon, for instance, is pretty noticeable, and I personally prefer to pay the extra $1.80 for the step up in quality. Of course, like food anywhere, you can start moving into the 10,000 yen ($90 USD) price ranges for a meal, if you go to a fancy restaurant or a place like Jiro's (haven't been so don't know if its overhyped or actually quality, probably a bit of both). The quality continues to go up with the price, but after a certain point it won't be very noticeable any more, since fish can only get so fresh and chefs can only get so skilled before they're working on minuscule details people outside of the field won't notice. But is it worth a few hundred to say you ate at Jiro's, what people recognize as the best sushi place in the world after the documentary? That's up to you.

As an aside, don't listen to weebs/anti-weebs about Japan, they're both wrong. Japan is not like their Japanese Animes nor is it a bunch of salarymen wanking over Glorious Nippon culture. It has its quirks and is a decent place to visit for a few weeks if you can, or you could apply through JET to teach english for a year. Also, it's probably better if you don't speak Japanese if you apply, because they'll put you in a city like Kobe with 200 other JETs instead of bum fuck nowhere with less than 200 people around you.

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>>9200816
>massively butthurt
>underestimates what sophisticated discussions you can have on /ck/
I do like me a nice cool Radler in summer.

>>9199333
Partially because it's a trend food. Yes, it's delicious and yes, I love it. But many people eat it as "hipster food", because they want to be exotic and exquisite. These people are willing to pay more, so restaurants charge more.
It's not much cheaper in Japan though, because over there the quality is higher, the chefs are more skilled and get paid better and the ingredients, due to the quality standards, are less abundant. What can be used for sushi here, would never be used for sushi in Nippon.

With that said, I don't fucking care. Sushi is delicious, it doesn't have to be of the best quality, good is enough.

>>9200487
buttmad incompetent sushi "chef" detected

>>9199604
I don't eat pizza rolls. I prefer eating sushi my friend makes occasionally. He uses fish frozen according to FDA guidelines and doesn't get bent out of shape if I pick out certain ingredients.

>>9199466
> restaurants are going to try and squeeze out every penny out of you

wow it's almost like restaurants are a business or something

>>9199455
>it's an art to cook rice for 10 mins, stuff a bit of fish inside it and pour some rice wine over it
you fell real hard for that meme

>>9199333
Fresh and high quality fish is expensive

>>9200816
Autism

>>9199612
>>9201155
business is king and god!
i love being ripped off. I mean, it is their intent, after all.

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>>9199333
>is this shit cheaper in japan?

Yeah. My local kaitenzushi joint in Chiba, Choushimaru, starts at $1.30 for two pieces of nigiri or a small roll. Most stuff is $2-3 a plate (2 gunkan, 2 nigiri, or a small roll). The really good stuff might be $5 tops. I can get full and have a beer and soup for about $15-20. It's midgrade for Japan, but is better than 90% of what I've had I the USA. Hell, Famima (convenience store) sushi is better than 70% of what I have I the USA.

Now the high dollar stuff in Japan? Make you cream your jeans good. So fresh. Subtle and delicately balanced (salty, sweet, oily). Hard to explain, but you know it when you taste it. Those places are $100+ per person. It's worth it.

This is dinner with wifey and 'rents. About $40 to $50 there.

>>9203473
/ck/ will swear up and down there is no such thing as a regional food and that allrecipes.com recipes are the tops. The shitty first time cooks on here refuse to believe that ingredients and technique make a significant difference in the taste of food even when you get a decent recipe, because their parents were such bad cooks.

Most people on this site are American, and even for something as simple as a sandwich there is a massive difference between the Northeast and the rest of the country, but people from that region don't know how bad it can get and people from other regions don't know what they're missing.

>>9202900
Make it yourself then pussy

>>9203473
>unironically lives in Japan

jelly desu

I went on a study abroad there and loved it but job prospects look shitty compared to the rest of asia.

Hopefully Taiwan has Sushiro or something like it.

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>>9199559
>I'll pick it apart

You have to be at least 18 to post here.

>>9203473
>Chiba
Did you see the tsunami?

Also can confirm, it is cheaper in Japan, but you have to know pricing.

>>9203473
this post is reddit

>>9199333
I go to a place where they serve 6 pieces for the price of one in that pic

>>9199333
DUDE FISH LMAO

>>9205575
>>9203473
japan is great because they are ethnically homogeneous and let in few immigrants.

>>9199455
i love how people like you think cooking rice is hard. i bet you think rice cookers are essential too, right?

>>9209122
why are some rice cookers so expensive?
like tiger?

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>>9199559

>>9209172
The locking lid with fuzzy logic rice cookers cook rice better than a pot ever will and have a bunch of sensors to ensure that.

>>9209494
what is this?

>>9209696
are they REALLY better or is it just a scam?

how much better are they?

>>9209696
this is what babes believe.

>>9209730
its a scam, cooking rice is one of the easiest things in the world.
put water to the boil, add rice let it simmer for 20min boom you have perfect rice.

>>9209737
>cooking rice is one of the easiest things in the world.
bullshit

I've tried everything and the rice always comes out too soft/soggy and the bottom of the pan is burned

>>9209737
That sounds like normal mediocre rice.

Also, why assume that you let it simmer for 20 min? You know that different types of rice have different cooking procedures, right?

>>9209730
So much better. I've cooked with pan, shitty $10 rice cookers, and zojirushi $300 ones.

You can make cakes in those fuckers, and your rice NEVER burns or gets hard.

>>9209731
This is what suburban white kids believe that have never had white rice that actually taste good

>>9209749
>You can make cakes in those fuckers, and your rice NEVER burns or gets hard.
tiger ones right?
them and panasonic are really expensive

>>9209832
I've used a zojirushi and had those results. There are better, though, and I wish I could get my poor little hands on one of those.

>>9209832
>>9209840
zoujirushi is the best but Tiger and Panasonic are totally fine if you get the higher end ones

>>9199333
It's not. It's 105yen for a plate of 2 pieces of Nigiri.

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>>9199559
>sushi fish
>frozen
kek

>>9209111
Not anymore, they're letting more and more Filipinos in every year. It's starting to get obnoxious.

>>9209737
You do realise that Asians don't know you can boil rice in a pot of water, right?
They rely on rice cookers so much that they're pretty much convinced that you can't cook rice without one.

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>>9199559

Can summer be over already?

>>9202900
fuck off commie

>>9212334
kys, Nazi.

>>9211466
one of the world's top sushi chefs said that fish tastes far better and has a better texture after being frozen and thawed

>>9212605
Dude fuck you, post your sources.

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>>9212605
I've eaten sushi all over Japan, from Tsukiji to Hokkaido. A lot of fish does benefit from freezing/thawing (slight damage to cell walls releases compounds with flavor, not unlike aging meat). That said, some fish (particularly silver skinned, greasy fish like Aji and other mackerel) is better straight off the boat, as it they are already packed with flavor compounds.

>>9212593
nazis are pro socialism you ignoramus

>>9212727
Isn't mackerel typically treated with vinegar or something for sushi?

>>9207899
You're reddit.

>>9207244
>>9200487
its literally just raw fish and rice with some leaf stuck on top, how dumb are you?

>>9200991
Is this where the Japan flags on here come from

>>9203473
Why do you live there

>>9210952
>higher end ones
meaning like 300 fucking dollars?

AFAIK, you'll eat onigiri (rice balls) a lot more often than you'll eat sushi in Japan. Cheaper, more practical, sold in every convenience store.

>>9200991
>bum fuck nowhere with less than 200 people around you
that was me. i dont miss a lot of things about japan (shit weather, high prices, peer pressure, drafty buildings with no AC, the subtle racism), but i do miss the food.

>>9213981
Bullshit.
Don't believe everything you see in your animu.

>>9214227
calm your wrongtism, bro. sushi is an uncommon gimmick dinner, rice balls are a daily breakfast/lunch/both.

t. several years of having to be up and at Seven by 6:45 or they'd sell out of hidaka kombu filling and i'd have to get tunamayo instead

>>9213981
>>9214268
more than just being available at convenience stores, japs just make lots of riceballs. its their equivalent to the ham and cheese sandwich.

>>9213874
Meaning atleast 100 dollars. Obviously the really expensive ones are all going to be good

>>9203473
i would love if there was a conveyor belt sushi place in the US
but those will never work here

>>9214568
There are kaitenzushi places in multiple large cities throughout the US

>>9214570
really? didn't know that
honestly thought they would never work cause people are just stupid in general
like grabbing whatever plate then complaining about how much it is, even though the pricing is right there
or people grabbing plates taking a bite not liking it and putting it back onto the conveyor belt
you know, typical ghetto and trailer trash shit

but hopefully when i go to chicago next week i can check it out if they have one

>>9213981
>riceballs

Despite them being so cheap this is probably what I miss the most from Japan desu

>>9209748
The difference between normal rice and 3 star Michelin rice is minuscule and lost to most people's palates. Its definitely not $300 rice.

>>9215117
the difference between frank pepe in new haven and an actual trip to naples is nigh-imperceptible
the difference between frank pepe and papa john's is still vast
hell, the difference between papa john's and totino's is even vaster
you think you're smart arguing against flying to naples, but you're really arguing against calling in a delivery order when you can just microwave

>>9200410
it's not missing the point, it's adaptating something from a foreign culture to your own.
just like how Asian countries adapts western culture and have fucking Christmas when I believe nobody is a Christian there.

basically globalization, the end of all traditions and born of new ones

>>9199333
Sushi is really fucking overrated.

>>9215372
sure, but we should also look at WHY it was adopted, and the answer is the same reason rolls are a thing in japan - they hide iffy fish, and hide there being fish at all from picky eaters.
now that enough people know proper sushi won't give you salmonaidstulism it's no longer a necessity for the newer, broader western palate.

>>9214568
>>9214570
>>9214583
>large cities
Man your flyover is showing

I work in a town of 90k people and we have several. Instead of a conveyor belt one has little boats floating along in a river in front of you

>>9200410
Sushi was the original fast food in Japan

>>9200562
>>9200808
>Becoming very good at something is autisim

Thats a stupid way of thinking

>>9211466
>implying US
why would I eat sushi in that shithole?

>>9214759
they're not hard to make though
>cook some rice
>squish it in a ball around anything you food you have lying around or some leftovers

>>9217478
No it wasn't, weeb.

>>9215663
>it's no longer a necessity for the newer, broader western palate.
except it's already ingrained in western sushi culture

>>9213346
>Reddit:the post

>>9218403
The US is the only country (apart from Japan obviously) with decent sushi. Maybe Australia too. Europe does not have good sushi.

>>9218413
Its literally documented in the Edo museum

>>9218445
American sushi is pretty shit compared to Japanese sushi unless you're overpaying

>>9199495

This is like comparing dried ramen to actual ramen. You people are so divorced from reality, you'll say this kinda shit and mean it.

>>9218453
I've had sushi in both countries and the quality is very similar. I can't remember if Japan was cheaper or not because I was spending their weirdo funbux like water without paying attention to the cost of anything.

>>9218447
nigga no

>>9218461
Decent supermarket sushi in Japan is about the same as what you'll get at most restaurants in the US in the mid range.

>>9218477
That's not even close to true. Conbini sushi has cold dense rice that's on the verge of drying from sitting there for a couple of hours. Even the cheaper AYCE places in the US hand pack the rice when you order the sushi. There's nothing inherently advantageous about making sushi within the borders of Japan that can't be recreated in other countries by a somewhat skilled chef.

>>9218461
Japanese 7-11 sushi is better than most American restaurants who by coincidence aren't even owned by Japanese but Chinese and Korean owners.

However, Americans are too lazy to make sushi rolls these days so the Poke Meme is strong these days which is sushi except without the seaweed and just dumped on top of random shit

>>9218500
What the hell does gross 7-11 conbini sushi that nobody buys have to do with the sushi you'd find at even a mid-tier supa like Maruestu

>>9218505
They suffer from the faults. They're made hours in advance leading to the issues I mentioned in that post. Your posts give me the idea that you think the location of a product somehow determines its characteristics.

>>9218515
But it absolutely does. Theres a ton of first time cooks with little travel experience that think a halfway decent recipe is the be all end all to food.

Ingredients are different based on region, techniques matter a lot, and even common food like bread have totally different recipes with some places being way better at different types.

>>9218525
>Theres a ton of first time cooks with little travel experience that think a halfway decent recipe is the be all end all to food.
This is true for every type of food. Regardless, information travels faster than people. There are mediocre restaurants and there are good restaurants for every style of cuisine.

>Ingredients are different based on region
With modern logistics this isn't much of a problem. The regional fish in Japan might be unavailable in America, but that is not a matter of quality, just availability of ingredients. There are regional fish in the US used for sushi that you can't get in Japan. In fact there are ingredients not available interregionally within Japan itself.

>techniques matter a lot
You can learn techniques independent of your location. A veteran sushi chef doesn't lose his ability to teach outside his home country. Customs doesn't confiscate skills learned in Japan when leaving the country. You don't have to have set foot in Japan to learn proper technique. Knowledge travels.

>even common food like bread have totally different recipes with some places being way better at different types
There are currently Japanese patisseries blowing the French the fuck out at their own game.

>>9218558
Information doesn't travel fast. Mediocre techniques and the big ideas travel.

When people actually discover how to do things really well they make a restaurant. Sushi is better in Japan. Sandwiches are better in the northeast. NYC style pizza is better in NYC. Tex-Mex is better in Texas. Etc

>>9218563
You can keep asserting that, but that doesn't make it true.

>>9218564
You can travel to more than one big city and find out its true

>>9218579
I have and it's not. Sushi in NYC and LA is comparable to sushi in Tokyo and Yokohama.

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I just had my first try at making sushi just the, i'm rather allergic to fish so i had to stick to chicken and the like. Can't really be called sushi, but still, i think i didn't do horribly for a first try.

Anyone here who's actually made sushi who has tips? I screwed up my rice seasoning.

Also, the ingredients for this cost me literally less than 40 dollars, including the rice cooker and other small amenities used to cook it and i've still got more than enough ingredients left over to make four more of these.

>>9218586
>some sushi in NYC and LA is comparable to some sushi in Tokyo and Yokohama
fixed for accuracy, your average bodega sushi in NYC is certainly not comparable to your average convenience store sushi in Tokyo

if we're talking like, sugarfish or a place like that, then yeah, of course

>>9218439
tendies were engrained in your palate at age 6, are they sti--
wait nvm this is 4chan, carry on

>>9218502
>>9218477
If anyone lives in Florida the sushi at publix is actually not half bad, at least for supermarket sushi

>>9218956
wrong rice

>>9219327
テャt’s場しかllyてぇポインtおf低sテレあd、てょうgh。$10ぷbぃx寿司、いf幼下t伊tエアrly院てぇだy、伊sコンパらbぇと$4(ウェll、￥500)7-Eleven sushi.

>>9219327
>>9219510
how the fuck did i do that
i meant
>that's basically the point, though. $10 publix sushi, if you get it early in the day, is comparable to $4 (well, \500) 7-Eleven sushi.

>>9199559
why are you even complaining? you clearly only consume the finest of mummy's frozen tendies

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>He doesn't know about based publix

It's cheap as fuck and good as shit at MY grocery store!

>>9209745
well im not sure how you end up with that but i only ever did that once when i moved out, literally the first time i ever cooked rice on my own
i asked my mother how she does rice and i get almost perfect rice every time now

1:2 rice/water
boil water, add salt, add rice, turn to low & cover
cook 18 minutes and check, remove from heat and let stand covered for a minute or two

no crust or burn at bottom, only thing that can go wrong is if you dont let it stand it might be a little wet when you serve it

if youre somehow consistently fucking up your rice i would suggest switching to couscous, its even more simple & quick and you can do neat stuff with it like add green onion and a bit of olive oil

>>9219351
shouldn't be. I used short-medium grain rice specifically for sushi

>>9219510
How the hell do you write a comment that long with IME on and still do the captcha and not notice

I wonder how Chinese and Korean chefs manage to fuck up sushi. Koreans especially since they're basically Japanese lite.

>>9209122
People are amazed when I cook rice.

Rinse it
Put it in a fucking pan
1 cup rice - 1 cup water
let it cook for a bit, drop some shit in to season or whatever you want
lid back on
leave it
come back when all the water is gone.

"Anon, your rice is so fluffy and tasty"
Literally just read the bag and you've nailed it.

If you use a rice cooker please off yourself.