/vg/ - Vegan General

>>9121658
is your vegan power having vitamin an dprotein deficiency?
or is it spending extra money on supplements to have a semblance of a normal human diet?

I'll tell you what. I fucking ate some cheese pizza and conventionally grown spaghetti yesterday and I feel like a sloth.

My thoughts are not sharp, my vision is blurry, my stomach is bloated and hurts, my farts smell disgusting, my joints hurt, my morning wood was nowhere near as vigorous....

It's vegan/organic or die for me man. I can't stand that shit tier food anymore. I blame the glyphosate and GMOs covered in it for the majority of health issues in major cities these days knowing those animals and plants are fucking riddled with toxins.

The fluoride on top of that??? Fucking death sentence.

Anyone who has detoxified their body is absolutely addicted if they go back to eating that shit.

>>9121691
Plants and fruit are more nutritionally diverse and dense than animal products.

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>>9121718
I ate a whole 16" cheese pizza yesterday and washed it down with 1.5L of vodka and feel just fine since the hangover/withdrawals stopped. I think you're a hypochondriacal faggot.

>>9121718
vegans always have rank farts. almost the worse, close second celiacs though.
>>9121691
idk why vegans act like all people who arent vegans only eat meat and nothing else. id rather eat a small seasoned chicken breast and a natural salad with vinegar and oil on the side than like 4 pounds of lentils and ontop of that the salad to get the same nutritional value

>>9121744
meant
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>>9121728
people who shill books for money praise the idiots who buy their books and their habits
wow!

>>9121735
Where do you live? If you live in the USA you have been eating GMOs for years already and your baseline memory of what good feels like is not accurate.

You have to eat 100% organic fresh fruits and veggies for a minimum of a week before you realize what your body should actually feel like.

On top of that fluorides put into water supplies in the USA have the effect of rendering 50% your enzymatic processes responsible for cellular regeneration disabled.

It's science, fagot.

I used to get faded everyday for a very long time. Tried nearly every drug, fucked at least sixty women, ate whey protein powder, and worked out an absolutely obscene amount.
It's degenerate.

I have been there. It is average in the USA for a male to indulge in a whole pizza and get faded. So what? That is easy. Try going 100% organic/vegan for seven years.

Sure some mistakes were made and that is why I stopped drinking because I would get faded and crave food. Not fresh fruit but something that would sit in my stomach and make me feel full. FUCK THAT LIFE. It is so degenerate you will loose your mind and youth in no time.

Trust me, even though your answer was on par for a common douche. I wrote a respectable reply. Just to prove you wrong and share my experience. It helps to hear this.

You deserve no merit for being so basic.

>>9121744
Eating fruit all day for a week does not make your farts smell gross. You and 99% of humanity haven't ever accomplished a week long fruit diet so you have no idea.

Eating soy though. Fuck that. Soy is complete garbage. I can't eat soy and I do not recommend anyone ever eat soy. Soy makes me fart and ya, soy farts smell disgusting.

The vegans and vegetarians who eat soy are SJW morons the majority of the time. I can't stand them either.

>>9121658
>vegan and gay
Wow such suprise

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yumm

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tofu

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>>9121726
Same.

>>9121744
>idk why vegans act like all people who arent vegans only eat meat and nothing else

What's even stranger is vegans who pretend people who are vegans only eat grass and nothing else. Fucking pricks are ruining the movement by making us look like fun-hating health nazis.

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>going vegan

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>>9121843
>rice and seeds texture
I'd honestly be a vegan if they could figure out how to not fuck up the textures and after taste of fake meat. It makes me gag.

Threadly reminder that veganism is a mental illness akin to liberalism

Your boyfriend is in the closet unless you're a guy too because males should never be vegans unless they're homosexual as well.

>>9121923
Jews thrive upon the medical industry.

Vegans are not getting heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, ect....

If you are referring to the anti-gun part of being a non-hunter then I can agree that angle could be played but I seriously doubt hunters will ever give up their guns.

I am vegan and I love firearms. 2A all day. I also agree with the situation of availability being the limiting factor. Hunting and fishing in Alaska should not be hindered because they are living it how they are able. Free and clear.

Independence is paramount and TBQH meat eaters are a hindrance to independence and freedom considering they buy meat that is conventionally grown. That meat is GMO fed in the USA. Those farms are owned by Monsanto/Bayer. Those corporations have merged and play a pivotal role in agenda 21 AKA the depopulation plan.

Listen here. If you want to eat a bit of meat then you should be able to. But the majority of meat eaters stuff their belly with flavorful dishes based almost exclusively on animal products they BOUGHT. Absolutely degenerate.

>>9121658
>General

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>>9121836
>>9121843
>>9121849
>give up meat
>make your food to look like meat
Does this come around to the whole losing is winning mentality?

>>9122124
Making veggies fit on a bun is favorable for some.

>Sure as shit you haven't addressed any of the above mentioned points though...

>>9121658
Damn I haven't seen buttmad levels of this caliber in awhile

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>>9122205
Dorp a gem on us, or.... Are you an udder puss guzzling pansy no brain?

>>9122230
not him but what am I looking at? an open wound or something?

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>>9122205
Butt mad? How about udderly disgusted.

>>9122236
>Mastitis, 1 in 5 dairy cows have mastitis in the USA.

>>9121782
You spelled faggot wrong.

You take life way too seriously. You are going to die. There is no avoiding it. But go ahead, extend the worst part of it, the declining years, to the maximum achievable length.

F A G G O T

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>>9122237
They grind that entire cow up and make hot dogs with it.
>They call the ground up ''meat'' pink slime.

>>9122248
Hey man, If I knew we had a genuine phaghot in the thread I would have spelled your name correctly.

>>9122249
>they use the entire cow, minimizing waste

oh no how terrible

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>5 year vegan
>still no gf
I haven't even cheated ONCE

>>9122305
Eat udder puss filled pink slime burgers and be proud of it if you are stupid enough. You are the type of moron I enjoy making a mockery of.

Your favorite brands have to hide the info I brought to light in this thread and you are stupid enough to defend them. Shame on you.

>>9121744
TFW vegan and celiac. I suffered horrible gas and bloating for two years.. vegan gf helped me figure it out. Now I'm fart free!

She's vegan and I have never smelled any of her farts (though they are quite audible)

so lab grown meat is vegan right?

>>9122320
if you're an attractive guy and vegan, vegan bitch will loose their shit for you. Even if not most attractive you'll def get attention, try online dating + going to veg places

>>9122417
Lab meat is good. I wouldn't eat it, probably, but i support it as a vegan. Might eat it, might not b/c health tho

>>9122417
IDK exactly what they plan to use to produce that lab grown meat. One can speculate that IF lab grown meat catches on it will be grown via a GMO based source product. Something like soy agar and some GMO cells that consume the agar and grow with a mass of tissue that has a consistency ''like'' meat.

I would say yes that shit is vegan.
Let's be real here. GMOs are very unethical and a very poor choice. The large corporations are the only ones who stand to gain from that shit.

Don't fucking eat that shit.

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>>9121658

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Anyone ever try this raw vegan cheese cake? I haven't been in awhile but the raw food restaurant nearby has a big selection of these and holy shit...I fucking love this stuff.

Usually made with cashews, dates, and walnuts. Fucking blows my mind how creative and delicious some of these recipes are I have been finding.

>>9121658
>>9121658
Let the man eat an ethically sourced steak ya soul sucking hoor

>>9122354
>udder puss

That's milk, silly.

>Your favorite brands have to hide the info

No, they don't. It's the opposite, media pressure created a market where companies using pink slime disclose it to instill confidence in the product.

>you are stupid enough to defend them

You think all meat-eaters are stupid. Why single out the ones who won't pretend that beef stops being beef if you get it from more parts of the cow?

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>>9122230
>>9122237
>>9122240
"Organic dairy farmers, having limited use of antibiotic treatments, often use alternative therapies such as homeopathy for the treatment of mastitis and adopt a more holistic approach to mastitis prevention; this concept of a wide-ranging approach to mastitis control forms the backbone of the AHDB Dairy Mastitis Control Plan."
If there wasn't more of a reason not to buy into the organic meme

>>9122529
allways blows my mind how little it tastes like cheese cake and ho much it tastes like some kind of desert hummus

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>>9121658
Hey look another vegan blowhard thread


Lets see what stick stuck up thier ass they will need to talk about today

Vegan babies learning basic health and acting like they know something special .... all vegans know is north american foods are shit .... what a fucking eureka moment folks, these things will revolutionize all human knowledge

>>9122320
That's because you're a homosexual! Men shouldn't be vegans unless they're homosexual!

>>9122602
How about not drinking breast milk? You are actually into drinking an animals milk that is meant for baby animals. Would you drink your dogs milk? Cats milk?

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>>9122723
I guarantee you can't name a more nutritionally sound and logical diet than a fruitarian diet.

Even raw vegans are sub par considering these fruitarian types are eating their water from living tissues and fruit has nearly the same water content as our bodies.

I find it disturbing how often meat eaters are conformists. They believe their primary school taught food pyramid bullshit like jesus himself fucking blessed the earth with animals to be food.

>>9122723
I'm a vegan as well but it's not like I push my views on people. My wife eats meat and I'm happy to cook it for her. When her son gets a bit older I'll quite happily accommodate his choices too and cook whatever he wants.

>>9123279
I could go for some refrigerated Dogs milk right now.

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>>9121658
daily reminder that plants eat meat and have feelings too.

stop killing plants, save the plants.

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>>9123404
wow BTFO vegans.

>>9123404
You guys are so clever. It's almost like you have spent eternity thinking of something to say while all the while failing to address the critical issues that humanity faces.

I hope you like stalagmites because I got a hunch you will be reincarnated as one!

>>9122529
This looks fucking gross. The crust looks like a huge soggy rice cake.

>>9123541
Walnuts, shredded coconut, and dates.

>>9122199
Who are you quoting

My ex girlfriend was vegan. I used to make her these really intricate vegan meals. It was fun exploring a new culinary world with her. Now anything vegan just makes me think of her. I miss her so much.

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>>9121935
Try a Bean burger, it doesn't try to imitate meat.

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fucking newfags couldn't see a bait thread if it hit them upside the head.

So is becoming a sociopath a vegan super power? Or is it limited to the base marxist powers of being a whiney, entitled bitch?

>>9125342
that looks amazing

>>9125342
if this is yours can you give more detail on both the carrot patties and the mash?

>>9125342
would eat seconds/10

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I love love veggies. Vegans unite!

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>>9121658
I prefer meat, personally.

>>9121718
>conventionally grown spaghetti

Probably harvested it before it was ripe anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVo_wkxH9dU

>>9121782
>Just to prove you wrong and share my experience

Sample size of one is not statistically relevant, anon.

>You deserve no merit for being so basic.

Nigger slang, huh? You must be the coolest kid at your vegan meetings.

>>9126762
>>9126786
Thanks.

>>9126784
The mash is potatoes, olive oil, oat based cooking """cream""", raw chopped red onions, chopped up chili peppers, a bit of garlic, and some frozen peas just dumped in there.
The patties are carrots, red lentils, sweet potatoes, polenta, bit of ginger and chili peppers plus spices. These were baked but I think they'd be good fried, too.

>>9121721
Yeah, I eat both because I'm not a retard

>>9122237
Last time I was at my local grocery shop I saw this nasty ass nigga unloading vegetables l and while he had his hands full with these open boxes of fruit stacked on top of the other he had one of those loud sneezes like the ones that come from the bottom of your body all over the fruit
He pretended like nothing happened and kept stocking

>>9121658
Veganism is immoral, you deny an animal a potential life.

>>9123527
Not am argument

>>9121782
>it's science
Well, mb you give to us some links?

>>9127651

I don't think I would want to be born as a factory farm animal

>>9126648
>not killing makes you a sociopath

meatcuck cognitive dissonance is astounding

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Husband & I had some amazingly rich vegan chocolate cake topped with walnuts earlier. The parrot got some too (she's an angry shithead but I love her).

>>9121658
Are you gay OP?

>>9128020
i dont think factory farm animals would want to be born as faggots but we keep you alive

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child killers, all of you

>>9128104
pretendtous

>>9121658
a weak troll attempt that shows lack of awareness of vegan meal structure

>>9122124
I always thought this is retarded, why don't vegans just prepare their own food and make it look and taste good in it's own way instead of making bad imitations?

>>9128457
Some veggie burgers taste good. Not as a substitute for meat but they still taste good. Most people stop eating meat because of the way animals are treated or they just don't like all of the death, not because they think meat tastes bad.

>>9123279
only fruits are made to be eaten by animals, not leafs or seeds of any kind.
If I'm not lactose intolerant at my age, that's because it was an advantage for my ancestors to keep digesting milk instead of just killing cows for the meat, so if I can digest it and it causes no issues to me why not consume it?

my conservation instinct only targets other humans, I don't really feel the same for other animals, apparently I don't feel the same as you do, so why should I behave like you?

>>9123290
>guarantees to be able to do x you can do in your comment
>doesn't
why you guys never enlighten us with your diet plans?
we would be more eager to become vegans if we saw nutritionally complete diet plans, we are really not going to google it because we don't care right now but if you would be so kind to post such a plan, more people would be interested in it, instead you attack people with a different diet which deters people from following a vegan diet plan.

>>9128475
I feel the same way about lactose. There's a lot of information showing how important healthy gut flora is and lactose can contribute to that. I'm wary of giving that up. It's also why I'm wary of "animal-free milks" now because they all say they're going to be lactose free and they act like it's inherently a good thing for everyone. It makes me a bit sad because I was really excited about that.

>>9128375
ya

The vegan community is fucking shit. Why can't I just enjoy eating meat alternatives without having to preach it or circlejerk over it? Seems most vegans are oversensitive bitches who get butthurt from not being able to eat with coworkers and friends.

>>9128500
I'm not vegan but if you really wanna go full retard on veganism, sauerkraut and other fermented veggies have bacteria that produces lactic acid, I guess it's the closer thing you'll get to lacto-basilius.
Else eat fermented dairy products.

>>9128542
People who regret their choices often have to preach about how good it is to others in an attempt to save face.

>>9128564
Its lacto-bacilli

>>9128564
Yeah I eat that stuff too, I make my own sauerkraut sometimes, and make fermented drinks. But I'm kind of freaked out a bit by companies saying lactose has no benefit and taking it out of food when there haven't been many studies on how it could benefit people who digest lactose into adulthood, especially since they're obviously motivated by a profit perspective. Same thing goes for heme iron in lab-grown meat. I'm mostly vegetarian but sometimes I'll crave the taste of iron from red meat, especially if I've been exercising a lot, and for them to take that out too makes me feel distraught at the "healthier" food they're creating. I really, really think lab-grown meat and synthesized milk are interesting but I want a perfect replica of it to be made before people start taking parts of it out and saying it's better that way.

>>9121718
>detox
This isnt into real desu.
You are delusional.

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>>9121718
>conventionally grown spaghetti

>>9121658
Cocaine

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>>9125342
I recognize that plate and table combo. What happened, steakguy?

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>>9128462
No, none of them taste good, it tastes like crappy vegetables ground up and molded into a patty. I had to drown that shit in sauce in cheese to make it even remotely edible. You vegans must have no taste buds, you keep eating cow manure and proclaiming it tastes great. I'd rather have year round gay pride parades thqn vegans shoving their lifestyle in everyone's face.

>>9130371
The secret of a vegan diet is that after you are vegan long enough you don't really remember meat all that much and if you do you can convince yourself you don't want it and it's disgusting by obsessing over factory farming videos just thinking about it over and over all the time until you can't see a burger without thinking of it
So all that vegan crap is good when you don't have any real good food to compare it with
Beans, nuts and mushrooms are pretty tasty but they only can take you so far, there is no real alternative to meat for cooking, none of that crap can't be as flavorful or versatile

>>9130389
I've seen factory farming videos on multiple occasions, it didn't bother me. I didn't give it a second thought of it, actually it made me crave a burger.

Whoi honestly would want to be a vegan?

>>9123306
I bet your wife is busy eating Tyrone's meaty cockmeatsandwich

>>9124287
Black bean burgers are delicious

>>9125342
I would eat that everyday for a week

>>9127560
That and it is doused in glyphosate and other shit tier chems.

>>9127564
Please, continue to eat animal products and die an early death. You are surely too far gone for anything to help you.

>>9121849
I'd rather eat paneer than tofu, and I hate paneer.

>>9127642
No, I'm pretty sure you are.

>>9127648
You and all of your friends and family are eating animal semen and drinking breast milk. Nothing you say is relevant in this thread.

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>>9127929
I will make it extremely easy for you. Ready?

Watch these movies:
>Forks over knives
>Earthlings

>>9128475
Retard alert

>>9128492
35 grams of fresh raw bee pollen per day supplies over 120 different vitamins and nutrients all in proper proportions for proper assimilation.

Bee pollen is vegan. I don't care what you say. It should be called flower pollen TBQH because all the bees do is collect it.

After that I just eat whatever amount of fresh organic local fruit I need to fulfill my daily calorie intake.

30 minutes of direct sun on skin per day

Half a gallon of local fluoride free spring water

Pretty fucking simple considering all the ridiculous shit people do these days.

>>9128542
No, meat eaters always harass vegans in reality and it's easily the most childish shit ever. Imagine having dudes you once respected offer you a fucking salad because that is ''all we have dude'' so instead you bring your own food and still you are seen as weird... For actually knowing what the fuck is in that food.

I am vegan because I do not agree with the low standards and health risks associated with eating animal products. I learned about these things by watching documentaries and reading articles online.

You asking questions is not a shortcut. You can't just ask the teacher for all the answers. You have to do your homework.

>>9128897
Have you ever done drugs before? Those pesticide are made from chemicals not unlike methamphetamine, heroin, ketamine, pcp, ect....

If you get high as fuck, you will come down but you will not detox for awhile after using chemical drugs because our body is not designed to deal with synthetic chemicals.

Those pesticides, fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, all saturate your fat cells and accumulate which leads to progressively more damaging and severe side effects.

"Thirty-eight years after it was banned, Americans still consume traces of DDT and its metabolites every day, along with more than 20 other banned chemicals. Residues of these legacy contaminants are ubiquitous in U.S. food, particularly dairy products, meat and fish."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chemical-tainted-food/

>>9130389
You are a moron. It's so likely you haven't gone a month without meat it's sickening. You are a hypocrite. I have eaten meat and been vegan for seven years. Sure meat CAN taste delicious but it is not healthy to consume cholesterol and pesticide ridden meat you fucking moron. You are at a much higher risk of being hospitalized and getting a fucking plethora of degenerative diseases if you eat a SAD(Standard American Diet) diet. End of story.

>>9131106
>asks for science
>gives shill movies

ACADEMIC STUDIES OR GTFO

>>9131114
Honey not being vegan is something that doesn't make sense to me. The bee's aren't enslaved or harmed. It propogates the species the same as vegetable farming or gardening and is good for the local flora.

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>>9131124
>>9131140
>>9131142
>>9131106

>>9130371
I'm not a vegan but I still think some of them taste good

What's the general stance on drugs in the vegan community? Is smoking weed more okay than smoking meth because it's natural?

>>9131142
there there anon
veganism has clearly made you too weak to think straight, you must be suffering from some sorth of dietary deficiency right now

>>9125342
>>9129162
I improved.

>>9131217
This lad argues for a whole food plant based diet using nothing but peer reviewed studies:

https://nutritionfacts.org/

>>9130389
Why does factory farming boither so many people? I've seen the tapes. I don't get the big deal.

>>9131591
have you seen the material in earthlings?

the ones that voluntarily release their own tapes aren't the worst.

>>9131114
Ok but what are the macros?
I know this is not /fit/ but I want to consume at least 120 grams of protein a day with the most complete protein profile possible

I tried but it seems very hard to do without adding eggs, cheese or other forms of dairy

I honestly just want to try vegan because of the god like wipeless shits, that is an actual palpable benefit which you guys never talk about, right now I'm kind of vegetarian but I do consume meat every once in a while if I'm short of protons for the day, that's why I was asking about the diet plan

>>9131124
>He thinks organic means absolutely zero pesticides
>Pesticides on meat

Meat has some fucked up shit but I think pesticides is not the biggest problem

>>9131591
>Why does factory farming boither so many people?

It bothers me because its goal is to keep the price as low as possible but gives zero shits about quality. Factory farmed meat is virtually flavorless compared to free-ranged meat (or poultry) which can consume a natural diet.

>>9131114
There is no way you get an appropriate amount of protein/B6/B12 in your diet on bee pollen and fruit alone. Versus the average american I'm sure your daily food intake is miles healthier, but over time your body will start to break down without adequate amounts of the proper macro's and micro's.
And if you're a woman (since like 30% of /ck/ claims to be chicks) and you ever wanna have a kid, you're dooming them to a shitty start at life just on that alone. A regular vegan diet (full fruit and veg, not just fruit) has a better chance of sustaining you, and even then you need to consume 3x the amount of food you'd need to obtain the nutrients you'd need compared to a locally-based regular vegetarian diet.

>>9125342
holy shit that looks great
recipe now

>>9132547
>>9127633

>>9121658
>We're both vegan btw

You didn't need to say it. Who the hell else would tolerate a vegan.

>>9131217
Academic studies get BTFO considering the entire fucking medical community is dependent of humans actually being sick.

You are a fucking flat out moron.

You didn't even watch the movies I posted. This is why meat eaters and vegans don't get along. The vicious cycle of stupidity and ego you fagots are trapped in. I hope you die choking on that nasty shit.

>>9131222
Eh, I agree but bees so have a second stomach that they store the honey in. It is then regurgitated into the hive cells. Kinda gross but technically vegan.

>>9131311
I'm all for people consuming cannabis but eating it cooked or juicing the leaves and buds fresh is most beneficial.

Then you have cases where people who have severe issues need the instant relief from smoking... I can't speak for them.

Synthetic drugs in general though are not acceptable to me. I could seesome one who needs to stay awake chewing coca leaves or even somehow getting some CO2 extracted coke and using that but meth, crack, heroin, LSD, ketamine, all have more beneficial alternatives.

I have tried nearly everything shy of heroin proper and PCP.

>>9131867
This.

>>9131960
Your body can't possibly use 120 grams of protein per day. You will just shit out the excess.

Bee pollen contains 22 different amino acids(proteins). The majority of humanity does not get that vegan or not.

Just eat fruit dude. If you need something else go for some veggies but I stick to fruits and roots and I am thriving.

>>9131971
Pesticides kill bees. If the bees die we die.

>>9131975
This. The nutrient profile of grass and natural plants animals graze on naturally are far superior all things considered.

>>9132017
You 99% of humanity does not get a full spectrum of the recommended daily nutrient intake. It is nearly impossible and certainly cost prohibitive without bee pollen. Trust me I have done the research.

B12 is created in the gut and there is evidence that this is a full on scam. I'm just fine, seven years later. Seven years. I can drop and bust out fifty pushups in under two minutes nonstop and I don't even workout more than basic cardio a few times per week.

Welcome to the redpill of all redpills.

The medical industry is pulling in over one trillion USD per year. Unless your doctor is a nutritionist you're going to be in big trouble.

>>9133990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xPmR8j4plw

Juicing cannabis and it's benefits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=U7Ck9D45OT4

Dr.Gerson's work

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+sibi

Dr.Sibi's work

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If you are a carrier of the APO E gene, eating meat will fuck you in the long run. You will absolutely develop high blood pressure (if you don't already get it in your late 20's/early 30's) and heart disease, and you will most likely get some form of serious brain disease like Alzheimers...

It's because many people cannot remove plaque from their blood vessels, including the tiny ones in your brain, which slowly begins to destroy you. Certain types of people can very efficiently remove animal cholesterol induced plaque, but you're gambling unless you take a DNA test.

This is besides all the terrible hormones and chemicals found in meat, which is a whole other topic of discussion.

Bottom line is veganism, for the day and age we live in, is the best diet by far.

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>>9121658

>>9134493
sauce on the girl?

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>>9121691
Not op, but the only one you need is vitamin b12

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Katsup n rice vegan

>>9122124
the patty format is for meat!!! ONLY
How else you supposed to eat a burger with veges in it? WTF U WANT?

>>9131222
who cares about other fag ass vegans that say the rules. You make your own rules and do your own research. Ya I eat honey, no warries m8

>vegan power

That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

>>9134905
terrible keyboard

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Why can't you people just let this thread die already?

>>9131142
Are you trying to sound pretendtous to be ironic or are you reall that bad?

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>>9121658
Hi faggots

>>9134922
why do you care ? theres plenty of other threads for ((you)) out there. Feel free to filter all vegan topics out.

Why are meatcucks so triggered by a single thread that isn't about their heart-attack inducing trash?

>>9121718
>Toxins

Vegans are retarded.

It's a given that Americans have the absolute worst diets of anywhere on the planet. It's no mystery why, either. It's caused by the overconsumption of meat and processed sugars. Vegans would twist this fact to mean that any animal products are just as unhealthy. It's no surprise that most vegans are liberals; they both have the same erroneous though processes that causes them to confuse facts and statistics to fit their own narrative.

The overwhelming majority of health and nutrition professionals will tell you the healthiest diet is a balanced diet that contains animal products. Just because Cletus T. Murrican eats a pound of meat at every meal does not mean that you will get heart disease and cancer from eating meat in moderation coupled with a healthy diet.

The claims made by vegans are no different than if I said that the healthiest diet would be one that contains no fruit, because fruit contains so much sugar and diabetes is such a prevalent health issue in the US.

>>9121718
>he thinks fluoridated water is a bad thing

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>>9133965
>Academics and doctors are wrong
Okay sure I'll believe youtube documentaries over experts.

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>browse through the entire thread for vegetable recipes
>it's just retarded Americans trying to troll leaf eaters
Someone just tell me how to make the most delicious broccoli possible, preferably salty in some capacity.

>>9136873
Boil
Add salt
>or
Add salt

It's broccoli, it's good no matter how it's prepared.

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>>9136873
I don't know if it's most delicious but I like to fry up onion, garlic and pepper and then add vegetable broth, cook the broccoli in it and puree it with a hand blender (add some sort of starch if you want it thicc) and eat it with bread.

Simple and tasty and you eat a pound of broccoli in a sitting like it's nothing, so very healthy as well.

To be honest ethical vegans all need to be sent to gulags and enjoy their bowls of cabbage soup. On the other hand people who simply use vegetarianism as a diet are pretty cool. My only gripe is that there is a certain classism going on with vegetarians nowadays that should be dealt with. Tl:dr cheap and plentiful rice and beans for the proletariat, not vegan boutique marshmallows for porky liberals

>>9137006
>To be honest ethical vegans all need to be sent to gulags
Why? I honestly don't get why someone else not eating meat would upset someone.

Or is it sort of like an alcoholics getting angry at people who don't drink type of situation?

>>9136873

>complaining about shitposting on /ck/

welcome newfag

>>9137006
Damn this is some well crafted artisanal bait
9/10

>>9137027
No, my religion is secular humanism, and any advocate for nonhumans who would prioritize them over real abused starving humans around the world belongs in a gulag for peak liberalism. Also the ideology itself is very stupid because unjustified hierarchies exist for things like hammers and tables, so why not cows and pigs? I put sapience as the benchmark for life worth preserving. Anything else is around same value as a fly, as in equally worthless on its own, and unequally valuable to humans, as food and pets. Tl:dr deny the proletariat their food, work, livelihoods, and dignity by treating them as of equal or similar importance to fucking dogs, and you get sent to gulag

>>9137086
The grains and legumes inefficiently used for feed could easily nourish all those real starving human beans. Cutting down on the meat and dairy industry would also cause less damage to the environment, which would increase quality of life especially for the poor people who are forced to live near such operations.

Ethical veganism is not just about muh poor animals, it's about humanity as well.

But I agree with you that there's something psychopathic about people throwing fits about chickens while wearing a shirt some Indian cotton farmer killed himself over.

>>9137128
>muh efficiency

We already have a food surplus.

>>9137151
>>9137128
I know, I am criticizing the mentality, not the praxis. While I do concede that over industrialized factory farming pollutes and takes way too much water and grain, meat is still necessary as a luxury, in the same vein as sugar and alcohol.

doctor told me my blood pressure is too fucking high, and as a lifelong meat eater i dont know what to do with vegetables.

does /ck/ have a database of easy vegetarian or close enough recipes for people who dont know how to cook cow food?

>>9137245
High blood pressure is usually correlated with a large sodium intake. Just tone down the salt, eat a banana once in a while, and drink water and you should be fine.

>>9137340

thats the thing, i use practically zero salt. my mom and dad have blood pressure issues and shit so thats where i get it from.

mostly its just that you vegetarians just make everything so fucking fancy, i dont have time to do these fucking 6 star michelin dinners, i gotta work eight hours a day, sleep eight hours and masturbate for four hours.

somewhere there has got to be a place where vegans arent pretentious fucks and make like everyday people food

>>9137395
Start running. It might help your blood pressure.

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>>9121658
hey guys
just wanted to let you know that 6 chickens died for my dinner
just because i like the wings

>>9137165
>necessary as a luxury
Does not compute.

>>9137151
Not for long if we keep wrecking the world as we are.

>>9137439
The beautiful thing about meatcucks is that they dish out their own justice with cardiovascular disease and cancer.

Eat more anon, that will show us!

>>9137647
That's cause we value our sanity over our heart

>>9137647
I'm sure you will have the last laugh in 50 years when it happens

Those who think vegans are preachy have never been to a vegan thread on /fit/ or /ck/. It's just omnis preaching to already converted vegans (why? using retarded omni logic is definitely going to undo a decision i've been enacting for 2yrs+)

>>9136808
>The overwhelming majority of health and nutrition professionals will tell you the healthiest diet is a balanced diet that contains animal products


American Dietetic Association: “It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.”

British Dietitians Association: “Well planned vegetarian [and strict-vegetarian] diets can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fibre and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets.”

Dietitians of Canada: “A healthy vegan diet has many health benefits including lower rates of obesity, heart disease, high blood pressure, high blood cholesterol, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer.” and “A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.

My dad had a crisis cuz he was like 300 pounds thought his first heart attack was right around the corner.

He became an overnight vegan and now doesn't even use extracted oil or add salt to anything he cooks.

He's now like 220 pounds after two years of this.

He got off his cholesterol medicine and his blood pressure is very impressive. Might live longer than my mom at this rate.

>>9121658
All the vegans in this thread, since I know you are usually into Eastern philosophies too, look into what Krshna said about consuming.

He says that the creature that is consumed by man is blessed and that the creature who consumes man is cursed. In themes of the afterlife and reincarnation, this would mean that the creature consumed by man is elevated in it's next life and that the creature that consumes man is lowered in it's next life.

By focusing so much on the flesh and material you vegans may just be screwing up the chances of the beasts in the wild and in captivity ever raising the consciousness of their souls.

I bet you hadn't considered that, had you?
source: bhagavad-gita

>>9138424
sorry, I'm Roman Catholic.
I stick with Roman 14:1

>20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but pit is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.
>21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.

>>9138424
That's what people (at least people like PETA) don't understand about the domestication of wild animals. Initially it was better for them and for us. They were taken care of by us, and they were still killed for food, but it was usually done in the quickest way possible which is infinitely better than the slow and excruciating deaths most animals have in the wild that can take days. Getting rid of all animals under human control and forcing them to only exist in the wild is not helping animals. Once lab-grown meat is available and people stop needing to kill animals for food, I think they'll be respected more again, and things will be better for them.

>>9138299
>appropriately planned diet
>well planned diet
>a healthy diet
Your sources basically say planning your diet and not eating too much is healthier than eating too much.

>>9138436
20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.

Without the 22 verse, much is lost in meaning.
If you keep your feelings and thoughts on what people choose to eat between you and God, then no one has reason to stumble. Additionally, "Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves," implies that anyone who goes forth and says to others that he or she only approves of this or that kind of food, condemns themselves by doing so.

>>9124287
they usually hit or miss for me

Burger King unironically has the best veggie burgers imo

>>9121843
>>9121836
Is anyone here sitting on a good recipe for veggie patties for burgers and the likes? I have had a really hard time finding one.

>>9138599
I think you won't really be able to make a good one unless you buy seitan or textured vegetable protein, or something like that. Most recipes I've found have you add a lot of breadcrumbs to beans and it ends up being too starchy and not filling.

>>9138666
Also, I was thinking of cooking beans and then drying them out in the oven on a baking sheet, then blending them with some egg as a binder. This way the breadcrumbs wouldn't be necessary. Haven't tried it yet though.

Falafel is good, I'd make that over most veggie burger recipes.

>>9138666
That's too bad.

>>9138680
I have made falafel patties in the past and they were better than I had expected. I guess I'll just fall back on those.