Who was right?

Spurlock, he had production values at least

Man am I starving! Thanks for the burger man, could you pass the ketchup please?

Fathead obviously. The other guy is a con artist and vegan apologist who lied about his calorie intake. It also took that fat fuck a year or something to lose the weight he gained.

supersize me was retarded in retrospect. other anti food movies that are worth noting include food inc. vin diesel caught me off guard

>>9107809
This. There is a reason why Morgan Spurlock still, to this day, will not release his food logs for the project.

Tom Naughton has all of his food logs available from his Fat Head documentary available online, and is very transparent about them.

>>9107784
Man fat head really opened my eyes
Everyone is always lying 24/7 I shouldn't trust them without irrefutable proof
At least nowdays we have the internet to make a real big deal out of liars so everyone knows, shame people haven't caught up and politicians all over the world are trying to control it

What's the message of fat head? That fats are bad?

Everybody knows that fast food is bad you shouldn't need to watch some stupid documentary for that.

>>9107850
try reading a synopsis you retard.

>>9107850
>What's the message of fat head? That fats are bad?
The opposite.

>>9107850

The message is that most people are stupid like you

>lied about personal experiences for a "documentary"
>called out countless times
>refuses to provide any evidence to the contrary
>people still go apeshit and cite the film when arguing against fast food
>this is the reason people simply aren't allowed to order larger sized meals

I'm still mad.

>>9107852
>>9107855
>>9107864
I'm not looking up a shit documentary just to post in this thread.

If the message is that carbohydrates are bad it's a retarded message. Processed carbs in fast food sure but vegetables/fruits/legumes etc. are really healthy and should be in everyone's diet. There are inherent problems with high fat meals while there are none with high carb meals.

>>9107868

why are you in this thread

>>9107850
>>9107868
Was it autism?

>>9107868
>I haven't seen the movie, but I'm going to critique it anyway

>>9107879
>>9107885
OP asked about 2 documentaries and I'm answering. I guess you are just too stupid. Nice insults though.

So the final answer for OP is left is right about fast food being bad even though the data is useless from a scientific point and right is probably correct about processed carbs being bad (if it says all carbs are it's utterly wrong.

>>9107891
>OP asked about 2 documentaries and I'm answering
you didn't answer anything. you asked a question

>>9107868
Fuck you

>>9107784
How have a blog and invite everyone how disagree to post your point and evidences?
Pro tip: is not the crazy vegan

>>9107900
Go to bed, Boris.

>>9107894
And then answered accordingly. I can't answer about something I have no information on, can I? Are you literally retarded.

>>9107895
Anons getting defensive is always funny as hell.

>>9107905
>Are you literally retarded.
you seem to be

>>9107906
Forgetting to punctuate/capitalise now are we? Do you identify with fats and fast food are why are you so offended here.

supersize me led to mcdonalds Australia becoming pretty good shortly afterwards.

>>9107909
>Do you identify with fats and fast food are why are you
yep, you're retarded

>>9107891

Why are you answering without having seen the documentaries? Why do I have to explicitly ask this question when "why are you in this thread?" should have sufficed? Are you autistic?

>>9107921
What? I asked what the message was, got an answer and then told the anon if it's correct or wrong. Like do you not understand this basic concept of communication?

I know 4chan is retarded but I never knew /ck/ was this bad. It's even worse than I remember /b/ being back then.

>>9107915
Nice ad hominem.

>>9107932

"yes" would have worked too

>>9107932
>Nice ad hominem.
you tried to correct my grammar, and then fucked up your own. you called me retarded and then got mad at me for calling you retarded. you're retarded.

Super Size Me synopsis

>Documentary filmmaker Morgan Spurlock makes himself a test subject of this documentary about the commercial food industry. Rigorously eating a diet of McDonald's fast food, three times a day for a month straight. Spurlock is out to prove the physical and mental effects of consuming fast food. While doing this, Spurlock also provides a look at the food culture in America through it's schools, corporations, and politics as seen through the eyes of regular people and health advocates. "Super Size Me" is a movie that sheds a new light on what has become one of our nation's biggest health problems: obesity.

Fat Head synopsis

>A comedian replies to the "Super Size Me" crowd by losing weight on a fast-food diet (including plenty of double-cheeseburgers and fried chicken) while demonstrating that almost everything you think you know about the obesity "epidemic" and healthy eating is wrong.

>>9107932
You are by far the dumbest poster in the thread.

>>9107936
Cuck.

>>9107941
Nice ad hominem.

>>9107942
An ad hominem is saying "You're wrong because you're a cuck". I'm merely just calling you a,cuck. Also I'm glad you fixed your grammar after I called you out on it.

>>9107947
cuck.

>>9107938
>>9107936
>>9107940
So you have nothing concstructive to say, got it.

>>9107938
Well duh you can lose weight on a caloric deficit no matter what you eat. That's just thermodynamics. The Supersize Me guy ate a shit ton of food so of course he gained weight. That synopsis seems very stupid though, the hell are they putting epidemic into quotes like it's wrong. Look at the fucking data, like 30% are obese, it's a huge epidemic by basic definition.

>>9107951
Awh, now you're going back to no capitalization because I saw you fixed it.

You're adorable, hun!

>>9107952
this post is so stupid I bet you didn't even watch the movie

>>9107953
you seem triggered

>>9107953
You do realise that's not even me right? Ahahah this thread is fun.

Am I getting this much attention, this many insults and even an imposter because I said fast food is bad, is that what got you people rolling? I know there are always like 2 dozen fast food threads on /ck/ but I didn't know some of you actually believed it isn't unhealthy. Even /fit/ knows that and they take roids.

>>9107971
I can't even fathom how stupid you are. You're rambling on about a movie you clearly know nothing about.

>>9107979
Enlighten me oh wise anon of /ck/. What is the gist of Fat Head and is it right or wrong? Please answer OPs question because you clearly can.

>>9107986
No I can't. That's why I didn't come into the thread screaming my dumbass uninformed opinions without even reading the wiki article for two minutes.

>>9107839
>Tom Naughton

are you telling me that's not Bob Odenkirk

>>9108007
So you were just screaming your dumbass at me without even addressing any actual point I made? Figures.

>demonstrating that almost everything you think you know about the obesity "epidemic" and healthy eating is wrong.
Seems it's very pro fast food. I agreed with Supersize Me's message of fast food being shit (even if the movie is shit). And I bet I'm hella more informed about this entire topic than you. A "documentary" about one guy doing something doesn't even count as science.

>>9108018
I bet your irish stew sucks

>>9107850
cuck

>>9108018
You're missing the point so badly. Nobody is being pro fast food you mouth breathing retard. Please stop posting.

You're the kind of moron that walks in on a conversation and hears one sentence. Then decides to autistically screech your useless opinions that is barely even related to the conversation as a whole.

>>9107848
Yo this nigga CID. I know it.

>>9107784
super size me has been discredited in pretty much every fucking way possible

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>>9107868
>>9107909
>>9107932
>>9107936
>>9107941
>>9107953
>>9107971
This is the worst /ck/ thread in a long time
Mods, please put it out of its misery

>>9108026
Never tried it but it looks pretty good.

>>9108029
>Rigorously eating a diet of McDonald's fast food. Spurlock is out to prove the physical and mental effects of consuming fast food.

>A comedian replies to the "Super Size Me" crowd by losing weight on a fast-food diet. [...] almost everything you think you know about the obesity "epidemic" and healthy eating is wrong

One documentary says fast food, specifically McDonalds, makes you fat and unhealthy, the other is a direct reply saying that's wrong.

Have you seen neither and are too retarded to read? I'm extremely impressed you managed to actually reply for so long with such idiocy. Well, you mainly called me names so I shouldn't be too impressed. Gonna stop replying to you, it's actually just getting sad now.

>>9108047
you haven't seen it so stop talking about it

>>9108049
So if I show you a huge and complicated math equation that says 1=4 at the end you are not allowed to say it's bullshit? I mean your basic logic is plain retarded here.

>>9108053
nice ad hominem, cuck.

>>9108053
>>9108047
Holy shit just kill yourself. Proving a documentary wrong is not pro fast food. Showing you can lose weight on fast food with a calorie deficit is not pro fast food.

>>9108061
You're literally just nitpicking semantics at this point.

Both were extremely stupid attempts at understanding nutrition. Diet is 95% of weight management. And fastfood companies are to blame for obesity. But it's not because of the food itself. Our bodies are very robust and can handle almost any kind of food. High-carb, low-carb, high-fat, low fiber etc etc. Of course healthier food is better but in terms of weight loss it's not a big factor directly.

The real problem is insulin response. If you eat 3 times a day without snacking at all you're going to find it very hard to put on weight. Why? Because in those periods between the meals your insulin levels will drop and your glycogen reserves will be utilized. Both great things for insulin sensitivity. Both will keep your insulin levels normal. Insulin levels are the largest predictors of weight gain. If you don't believe me and want to adhere 100% to calories in calories out start injecting yourself with insulin and monitor your weight.

So where do the fast food companies come in? Firstly, their food is high in carbs and proteins with little fiber. Carbs and protein both produce an insulin response especially when they don't come with the antidote, fiber. Fat in fastfood was a problem but not in terms of weight-gain but arterial clogging (which is a big concern but not in terms of weight-gain). Second, they normalized grazing hand in hand with "health experts" who promoted the idea that 6 small meals a day are better than 3 filling meals. Essentially the idea that you're never supposed to feel hungry completely ruined our insulin levels. Now we have health companies promoting snacking on protein (using men's insecurity with their muscle mass) ensuring that your insulin levels never drop during the day.

The solution for obesity is simple but not easy. Eat only 3 meals a day. Eat foods that are high in satiety, i.e. fiber and some fat. No fake sugars until we know their effect on insulin. Enjoy the feeling of hunger instead of fighting it.

So, where do I watch Fat Head?

>>9108211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs

>>9108211
>So, where do I watch Fat Head?
Try a mirror.

>>9108217
MOTHERFUCKING BURRRRRRRRRRRRN
wew

>>9107784
just rewatched super size me last night.
goddamn, he was really cucked back on the day, his wife always dominated him and force feed him with vegetarian bullshit by the end of the video

>>9108210
Bullshit

>>9108262
Why is it bullshit? Did I advise anything that goes against your current lifestyle?

>>9108210
>No fake sugars
Good fucking luck when all processed food in the US is drenched in high glucose corn syrup.
But hey, gotta keep all these farms going, right?

>>9108354
By fake sugars I meant the stuff in diet cokes etc. They have 0 calories but have also shown to trigger an insulin response. And a lot of people will have a diet coke or coffee with splenda as a snack.
The HFCS in stuff is obviously not good for you but the problem is with processed foods at large.

>>9107952
>Look at the fucking data, like 30% are obese, it's a huge epidemic by basic definition
An epidemic of people overeating, it has nothing to do with fast food.
You're painfully fucking retarded.

>>9108425
>it has nothing to do with fast food.
Yeah, cheap, convenient and FAST food has nothing to do with people overeating. Just like the opioid epidemic has nothing to do with pharmaceutical companies.

>>9108212
some good points but mostly penn and teller tier garbage
>muh freedumbs is an argument

>>9107810
>Food Inc.
Is that the one with Greg Kinnear and Bobby Canavale? Where they show the different perspectives from the different levels of the fast food industry?

>>9107900
Dear Xiang,

"How" and "who" are not the same words.

Sincerely,

Concerned Anon

>>9107784
Morgan Spurlock is a con artist who capitalized on the blaming fast food for everything meme. I tried to watch some of it objectively, but the first thing I saw was him overeating and then vomiting, but blaming it on McDonald's. If people were vomiting every time they ate McDonald's they would not stay in business. You can have the healthiest foods in front of you but if you eat too much, you'll vomit from that too.

>>9107938
If that's the synopsis of each, then they're both right because of CALORIE DENSITY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CdwWliv7Hg
Most fast food traffics in meat & dairy-heavy items with a refined/white flour carbohydrate pairing (hamburgers, hot-dogs, cold cuts, breaded items, pizza, refined pasta, tacos), often fried. So they selling extremely calorie dense food bereft of almost any fiber and with the water content driven off during extended cooking and frying in more fat (the most calorie-dense macro vs. protein or carbs). I didn't even mention the comb-pricing schemes they use which push the price of large sodas down to the level of water. It's extremely easy then, to overdraw your TDEE budget on even a single order at these places due to their menus and fast service/ubiquity.

>>9108210
This is a good post.

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>>9108210
>And fastfood companies are to blame for obesity.

annnnndd stopped reading

>>9108217
rekery

>>9107784
Fat Head was correct. He wasn't after fame or money like the McDonald's faggot.

>>9107868

shut the fuck up

>>9107868
The message is just that at the end of the day, weight is a matter of calories in vs. calories out. Also Spurcuck is a faggot who most likely exaggerated all kinds of shit in his movie.

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>>9107850
Fuck you anon, you stupid fuck

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>>9108210
i just had 3 up and goes and 17 trancettos, how does that fit in?

>>9108210
Jesus fucking christ not you again. Wasn't getting laughed out of /fit/ enough?

>>9107784
Can someone give me a quick rundown on these guys?

I know supersize me but who the fuck is the other guy

>>9107868
And here we see the zionist mind virus in its final stages

>>9108210
You get some stuff right, but there's some wrong that should be cleared up.

>Fat in fastfood was a problem but not in terms of weight-gain but arterial clogging
Higher unsaturated fat and saturated fat percentage intake for a given intake have no correlation with heart disease. In fact, eating more fat results in better HDL. And the relatively more dangerous LDL come from carbs, not fat. Transfats are bad though.

>Carbs and protein both produce an insulin response especially when they don't come with the antidote, fiber.
While protein does stimulate an insulin response, due to the relative lack of carbs, there will also be a glucagon response that cancels out insulin's effect of hindering glucose production in the liver.

>>9107868
You dumbass

>>9107784
>Lack of meat makes you lose muscle.
>Cuting carbs make you lose weight.
People still believe this?

>>9107952
>ask question
>get no answer
>give your opinion based on what you think the answer is
>get called a retard
>someone answers your question
>tell them they have nothing " concstructive"" to say

You lost me at this man. The guy answered your question, why are you still bitching?

>>9111708
I've never been on /fit/, I could post a selfie to prove that Ive never lifted a day in my life. Different people can have similar opinions without it being a conspiracy to disabuse your notions specifically.

>>9111900
Well heart disease is shown to be related to animal products, which is why I suppose the notion of saturated fats being the culprit appears. I may be wrong though and it may be something else in animal products what causes cvd. High carb countries like China or the high carb and fat Mediterranean region had almost no cvd till their meat consumption went up.

As for protein and insulin as long as your insulin keeps spiking throughout the day you're going to gain weight. Insulin resistance of muscles, liver and brain are three different mechanisms. But then again most protein based snacks are refined protein + carbs anyway since protein alone doesn't sate anyone the point is moot. Just have some meat with a salad with olive oil and whole grain bread and you'll be fine though. Just know that gnawing on beef jerky instead of snickers isn't much better.

Im watching Fat Head right now and its starting to sound just as bullshit as Supersize Me.

>>9112495
>Ive never lifted a day in my life
I can tell.

>>9112495
So you're saying I could eat 50 calories of tic-tacs a day and still gain weight?
Brb getting job at natick labs and making gorillions with your idea.

>>9107784
It has been something around a decade since I last saw Supersize Me, but didn't he actually lose weight during the last weigh in?

>>9108210
You can gain weight easily on three meals a day insulin response is not the reason for our obesity epidemic. This is embarrassing to read and I hope for your sake that you copy pasted this rather than typed it.

ROCK AND ROLL MCDONALDS

https://youtu.be/yr-bI9qzFQk
The one and only

>>9114126
>White people working at mcdonalds

Holy fuck this was filmed 14 years ago.

>>9112456

I'm sorry man. 4chan is full of terrible assholes. This is also where normal people go to be terrible assholes. It turns people who are nice in real life and online into, terrible assholes.

>save yourself

>what would happen if ate nothing but McDonalds for a month?!?!?
>gains just a few pounds and blood pressure slightly goes up
>dude McDonalds will fucking kill you!
literally the most pointless documentary ever made

>>9107932
>Nice ad hominem
woah nice pointing out the logically fallacy. Did you learn that word from watching your favorite red pilled youtube channels like Rebel Media? Are going to call people's arguments strawmens and scream "NO TRUE SCOTSMAN" next?

Spurlock set himself up to fail though. These were his criteria for what he ate every day:

>3 combo meals
>cannot alter orders at all
>if they suggest to supersize, then combo must be supersized

No goddamned fucking shit he gained a lot of weight and felt like a greasy stain.

>>9107867
I actually got asked if I wanted to supersize in an inner city mcdonalds not even a year ago. Maybe they didn't get the memo but I think some places away from modern society regulations will offer it

Sperglock and every other leftist """"""'Documentary""""""" """""""""""""Film""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""Maker"""""""""""""""""""" should be lined up on a wall and shot

>>9107868
kill yourself, im not joking, fucking do it pussy

>>9108242
>cucked
Whipped

Naughton was also lying. His food logs have these protein bars with perfect macros that no one can buy.

>>9116223
If no one can buy them, then how did he get them?

super size me ruined mcdonald's fries.. super sized trans fat cooked fries weren't good everyone knew not to solely eat them.. now they are shit

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>>9107784
>a documentary by some nobody who's studio name is literally "The Con" got McDonalds to drop an entire size from their menu
Was Super Size Me really such a big deal when it came out?

>>9117777
People are pretty fucking dumb Mr. Quads. If you tell them they aren't being shown the full picture, then proceed to not show the full picture yourself while telling them this is the truth, they'll fucking believe it.
Throw in some shots of fat people and him eating 3 cheeseburgers and you'll have an award-winning documentary about the dangers of fast food.

>>9117777
I had to watch it in middle school in my Human Growth and Development Class.

>>9112669
How so?

>>9112495
I don't care about you or your walls of text, but POST A SELFIE YOU NERD

I want to see what people who argue on 4chan look like

>>9107784
>spend every waking moment eating
>throw up and immediately start eating again
>"Why did I get fat"
>"Dem fast food makes people fat!"
>"Eating it once makes you gain like totally 100lbs!"

Anyone who thought Super Size Me wasn't bullshit needs to be sterilized.

>>9117777
Burger King also dropped their "king size" from the menu.

>>9117940
I watched it in 12th grade health.

>>9119318
all he did was eat mickey d's 3 meals a day for 30 days you moron
i guess fast food also kills brain cells

>>9112529
what is this trying to convey?

>>9119408
>all he did was eat mickey d's 3 meals a day for 30 days you moron

Did you watch the documentary?

>tfw there's never going to be a documentary highlighting the reality of obesity, that is, ordinary person with sedentary office job unknowingly consumes 300-500 calories more a week than one should and over the course of 2-3 years, becomes fat, and finds it difficult to lose it because cramming meaningful exercise in a 10 hour work day that mentally drains people is actually kind of hard to commit to for the lengthy amount of time it takes to drop 50 pounds with an earnest calorie deficit

Nope. Instead we get loudmouth losers like these two that take to extremes to prove obtuse points that really don't relate to most people.

>>9107953
>hun
found the triggered redditor