Who's in the wrong here?

apparently wikipedia for thinking that words don't mean different things in different cultures

American's biscuit is a type of bread and brit's biscuit is type of cookie but it started out as a type bread. So they're just varieties, as the infobox shows.

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Kek
>neutral

>>9064944

Not really, since wikipedia just explained how the words mean different things in different cultures

America has only existed for 400 years so obviously British one is correct.

>>9064919
They're both correct.

Languages never stop evolving, forking, and mixing with different languages.

>>9064919

Do you get asspained when people bring up the difference between a texmex taco and a spanish taco? Shit threads should result in a temp ban

>>9065326
Not even 250.

cookies are a type of biscuit
the thing on the left is a scone

>>9065326
>A land mass has only existed for 400 years
Chief Callingbullshit say stop following man mounted on cross.

>>9064919
>Soft and flaky
>Hard and dry
Gee, I wonder which one is wrong.

>>9065687
tea snacks are wrong and propagate fatness
but they are great for sharing on work
and bread is bread duh

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This is REAL biscuits and gravy, not the kind of shit you Amerisharts make.

>>9065621
Spaniards don't make tacos, Mexicans do.

>>9064919
There is no such thing as correct language.

>>9066529
English is the only thing Limeys have left, so they're very sensitive about it

>>9064919
You, for making this thread.

>>9064919
me

>>9067463
This guy.

>>9067463
Fuck you, guy.

The word cookie is in the wrong

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>>9067625
Not in this case, but in all other cases yes

>>9064919
american woman are soft
american men are flaky

british men are hard
british women are dry

>>9065326
Did you know that the sport of kicking a round ball into goals was called Soccer throughout the world by upper class people for centuries and that Football was the name used by the illiterate, and that Americans are the only ones who still call it by its proper name?

Brits cant even speak their own language correctly.

>>9067747
American men are fat
American women are fat

British men are fat
British women are fat

- A poem from an Australian

>>9067625
>Not calling them Cook'ems

>>9067625
Cookies are text files faggot. Stop appropriating words

>>9064919
The burgers. You can't just change something and act like everyone else is wrong, it's peak narcissism.

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>>9064919
Both. This is real Biscuit.

>>9067866
>Implying that browser still store cookies as individual files on disk.

We've moved on. We have the technology.

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>>9066497
>there are people who have never tried real biscuits and gravy
>there are people who are likely to be gunned down or ran over by unidentifiable men of mediterranean appearance before they ever can
fuck i'm sad now

>>9068091
It looks like somebody puked all over it. How can you eat that disgusting shit?

>>9068102
Southerner here. I agree it looks revolting but it really is a fine food. Somehow the texture of the light fluffy biscuit is just perfect with the sausage gravy. I've only known 2 people who didn't like it and they were both women from asia. Go figure.

>>9065326
>its older so it must be right

this is how stupid people ie yurocucks think

>>9067927
So say the people who took punch and curry from Ganges shitflingers and turned it into something even more disgusting.

>>9064919
The british version of biscuit is the original, so British biscuit is in the right. American biscuits are called 'biscuit' due to the colloquialism of referring to any oven baked sheet bread as 'biscuit' during the 1700's. Which you would KNOW if you watched Jas. Townsend and Son's you fucking uneducated frenchman

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>>9065089
This

>>9065326
And this

>>9064948
>brit's biscuit is type of cookie
Britfag here. No it's not a "type of". If I understand the American usage of "cookie" correctly, when Americans say "cookie", they're referring to everything that we would call a "biscuit".

We do, however, use the term "chocolate chip cookies" for pic related. They are just an American biscuit to us. That's the only time we use the term "cookie". For this type of biscuit specifically.

>>9068091
someone jizzed on your scone m8

>no one so far has mentioned the fact that biscuit comes from French and means "cooked twice" and that therefore the British definition is the correct one
>amerilards think that their shitty version of scones can be called biscuits

>>9067816
But then they go and call Hand Egg "football".

>>9068205
we don't think, we know ,':^)

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>>9068154
>everything that we would call a "biscuit".

But you call "crackers" biscuits also, don't you?

>>9068266
No, we call them crackers

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>>9068205

british scones look like american drop biscuits.

drop biscuits are good, but the traditional southern buttermilk biscuit is incredible. i'd say i'd say it's the tastiest baked good ever created.

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how different are american "biscuits" and everyone else's "scones"

>>9068102
>mummy I don't wanna eat it, it looks icky!!!

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>>9068266
No.

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>>9068303
>british scones look like american drop biscuits.

They look like American biscuits.

>>9067854
It's really beautiful. Thanks for sharing

>>9068154
>We do, however, use the term "chocolate chip cookies"
This actually clears some stuff up for me. I have been to London many times and everything I would call a cookie the package also called a cookie but brits called it a biscuit.

Are there many other types of "biscuits" you might call a "cookie" or is this more of a London thing because of tourism or something?

>>9068154
>If I understand the American usage of "cookie" correctly, when Americans say "cookie", they're referring to everything that we would call a "biscuit".

My family is half British, I am currently living in the states. That's not quite accurate.

What Americans call cookies are nearly always sweet. However, many of the British biscuits I've had aren't sweet at all--or might even be savory. It would be awkward in America to refer to such a thing as a cookie.

>>9068536
It's an Americanisation thing. So we'll call American style (large, soft, chewy) cookies "cookies", and we understand that a cookie is distinct from a (smaller, hard, crunchy) "biscuit".

>>9068545
Everything in America is cloyingly sweet. What they call bread is as sweet as a cake in the rest of the world.

Biscuit means twice cooked, so whichever of the two is not cooked twice is wrong.

>>9068615
>What they call bread is as sweet as a cake in the rest of the world

Wait until you try Japanese bread

>>9065326
But the American dialect is closer to the way most Brits spoke back then.

>>9067927
>You can't just change something and act like everyone else is wrong, it's peak narcissism.

The majority of first language English speakers in the world speak are Americans speaking American English. If we have to draw conclusions about which English is the most mutually intelligible among English speakers the answer is obvious.

>>9068545
Nearly everything we in England call a biscuit is sweet, though not necessarily by American standards.

>>9068473
Biscuits are lighter and almost exclusively savory as opposed to sweet.

>>9068091
Those are scones with milk and mince.

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>>9065682
go back to your reservation fag

>>9069089
they are scones with bechamel/white/roux sauce with sausage added.

where is the juice from the meat? It is not a gravy.

look up the recipe for american gravy/bechamel sauce/white sauce/roux sauce. They are all the fucking same.

>>9069142
>where is the juice from the meat?
That's the fat used to make the roux base for the gravy.

You start by frying the sausage, which renders out fat and juices. You use that fat to make the roux, then add milk.

>>9064919
No one. It's called different dialects.

>>9069152
so it's a roux made with lard instead of butter? The american recipe for gravy includes butter.

>>9069221
>so it's a roux made with lard instead of butter?

Drippings from cooking pork sausage or bacon is extremely common. ...or whatever other fat you have left over after cooking. Another common thing is to use would be the drippings left over from cooking a 'chicken fried steak' (the US version of Schnitzel brought over by German immigrants)...or even a normal un-breaded steak.

>>The american recipe for gravy includes butter.
Which one? I'm American, and I've never used butter to make gravy. It's always the fat left over from cooking the rest of the meal.

The while gravy we're talking about here, aka "Sawmill gravy" had its origins in pioneer/frontier cooking. In other words, peasant cooking. Low budget. You used what you had, and the drippings from whatever meat you cooked first is as cheap as it gets.

>>9068615
Only if you buy shit tier poor people food like wonderbread

>>9068615
You guys eat some bland fucking cake.

>>9069269
just admit, it's not gravy really, is it? It's just white sauce with some added sausage.

>>9069319
>If it isn't 50% HFCS and salt it's "bland"

I almost want to feel sorry, but you brought it upon yourselves.

>>9069323
Not that anon, but you're basically correct. We eat many different types of gravy here but the gravy we eat with biscuits is basically exactly what you're describing. It's an American sausage, though, so you won't be able to find it over there in bongland.

>>9069336
If your desert cakes are as sweet as our Walmart bread, it is bland and tasteless as shit. That's a fact. The white people food meme is true apparently.

>>9069350
>desert

I meant "dessert." Kek.

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>be me (American)
>visit cousin in England
>go out for lunch
>order biscuits and gravy
>get this
>wtf?!?!

>>9069347
so why call it gravy? the word already exists and the ingedients are nothing like your american abomination.

>>9069369
Because we can, you fucking faggot. Cry more.

>>9069356
>Milk is gravy

See that's where your made up story falls apart.

>>9069356
milk is not gravy in any country, you tard. You have never been to the UK otherwise you would know we do no serve biscuits and gravy.

>>9069381
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_butty

You guys eat disgusting and bland food. You fags even have pub songs dedicated to this abomination.

>>9069392
what the fuck has that to do with biscuits and gravy?

>>9069369
Gravy is a very generic term. It applies to any sauce made from the drippings of cooking meat.

That applies to to American white gravy just as much as it applies to a more traditional brown gravy for a Sunday roast.

And if you really want to get your knickers in a twist: Italian-Americans refer to their tomato sauce as "Sunday Gravy".

I flipped my shit about that before...and guess what? It's also made starting with a base of rendered juices and fat from cooking meat. So as strange as the name seems its use is technically correct--it is a sauce made on a base of drippings.

>>9069415
adds to the conversation and didn't read this
>>9069142

>>9069427
I did read it. I also replied to it and explained that nobody uses fucking butter, it's made from the drippings left behind from cooking your bacon, sausage, chicken fried steak, etc.

>>9069440
but it's white

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>>9069427
You use the drippings and bits of meat stuck to the pan in the gravy, moron. The sausage is cooked before the sauce is made and then added later. The sausage that we use has the consistency of hamburger not bangers or some shit..

>>9069440
Yes they do; it's usually a combination of the two.

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>>9069447
It's never a pure white, it always has a bit of color to it. And that's what happens when you add milk to it.

Do you think that the drippings from bacon or pork sausage cooking have much color? No, they don't. I save bacon grease in my fridge and it's pretty much white in color.

What's your gravy making experience, anyway? You never get a very dark color unless you add either wine or "browning" (aka artificial color) when making gravy, and American white gravy contains neither. Though I understand it's common to add that brown coloring in bongland?

>>9069471
Also, to reiterate--some use butter but most don't. Butter isn't unheard of but it's not standard.

>>9069464
>>9069475

Proper gravy does not have milk added to it. I think you will find English food has been around a few hundred years longer than american crap.

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>>9069369
Boo fucking hoo.

>>9069490
No one cares about what you consider proper. Your food is boring and bland. Your best dish--a full English breakfast--is simply random shit from your refrigerator and canned beans (from Heinz--an AMERICAN company) dumped onto a plate.

>>9069490
I don't see a problem here. Nobody is claiming this is the same thing as a British gravy.

>>9069490
I'm a bong but...it's okay for Americans to call the white stuff gravy. As the other anons have pointed out, it's all made from a base of meat juices. It's logically consistent, which makes a change.

>>9069499
Calm the fuck down Chad.

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>>9069502
I don't know why your countrymen are so autistic. We eat different types of gravy here: brown (beef) gravy, sausage gravy, turkey gravy, etc etc etc. We're not the UK and we don't eat the same food or prepare it in the same way even if some of it is similar.

>>9069471
This. I add some butter to the sausage drippings before adding the flour for an added richness. Also I often use cream or half and half for the ultimate in decadence since I only eat it once a month or so. I like to use a shit ton of black pepper too.

>>9069499
>Cletus cometh
>Cletus speaketh

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>>9069506
Yeah you tell him. Great job.

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>>9069506
>Be British
>Claim beans and toast is a British dish
>It is simply American canned beans dumped onto some toast

caring enough to make a thread and/or argue in it makes you autistic to be perfectly honest.

people in different countries have different words for the same things, who would have guessed

go take your "which of these is football" tier thread to /b/

>>9065326
Actually, Jesus created America 6000 years ago.

>>9069501
so why call it gravy when gravy already exists?

>>9069555
>so why call it gravy

Because it's a gravy.

>>9069502
gravy does not contain milk

>>9069555
Because it's still a gravy, retard. You're just buttmad because we incorporate a roux into one type of gravy we have here.

>>9069516
you use flour for added richness? flour is a thickener for sauces you twat

>>9069566
it's a fucking white sauce with some sausage added.

>>9069563
Gravy can contain whatever the fuck it wants as long as it's made from a base of meat juices, which American White Gravy does. Go sperg somewhere else.

>>9069582
It's basically a béchamel sauce made from the drippings of meat (with other spices added) which means it's no longer béchamel sauce. It's a gravy, retard.

>>9069583
the American ingredients for a gravy are the same as a roux/white sauce. You are so wrong with the meat juices. Sausages just release lard. Joints of beef, whole chickens/turkeys, joints of pork or lamb release juices to make gravy. Why is it that sausage gravy is only found in 'merica?

>>9069575
The preposition "before" qualified flour and the preposition "for" qualified butter. Is English your second language, gimp?

>>9069589
It's a white sauce with lard and salt and pepper

>>9069609
>the American ingredients for a gravy are the same as a roux/white sauce

Except the bit where it's made from meat juices/dripping, making it a gravy.

>You are so wrong with the meat juices.
>Sausages just release lard.

Well if they're beef sausages, yes. Because lard is the solidified saturated fat from beef. Which is how American white gravy is a gravy, you see.

>Why is it that sausage gravy is only found in 'merica?

Because you touch yourself at night.

>>9069613
did I use the word before or for?

>>9069623
And since lard comes from meat it's clearly a type of gravy.

>>9069609
>thinks meat juices aren't just fat and collagen
>sausage contains collagen and fat which is rendered into drippings for sausage gravy

That's meat juice, numbnutz.

>>9069626
>Because lard is the solidified saturated fat from beef

Uhm, no.
Lard is fat from pigs.
Tallow is fat from cows.

>>9068635
no it's not?

>>9069626
You think lard comes from beef. You are a child aren't you. You have never cooked a meal in your life.

>>9069623
>Why is it that sausage gravy is only found in 'merica?

Because we invented it.

>>9069623
You don't add butter though on occasion, some people do. It is very uncommon. There are more spices in the sausage than pepper and the bits of meat stuck to the bottom of the pan are also incorporated since "country sausage" is crumbly like hamburger. We don't add nutmeg or other seasonings that go into béchamel sauce. Why are Europeans so fucking retarded? If we called sausage gravy "béchamel sauce," French and Italian people would start having a meltdown.

Hopefully yurofags will become less autistic over food once the EU mandates all food be halal.

>>9069651
why is everyone ignoring the addition of milk. Milk does not go in gravy

>>9069674
>Milk does not go in gravy

Milk goes in a gravy if you put it in gravy.

>>9069667
>We don't add nutmeg or other seasonings that go into béchamel sauce

Not directly. But nutmeg (and the very similar tasting mace) are common ingredients to make American-style breakfast sausage. The numeg is there, it's just in the sausage meat instead of added separately.

>>9069663
>You are a child aren't you. You have never cooked a meal in your life.

You've got me. I'm five years old and literally eat cardboard. The "That isn't gravy" guy is literally correct, and the President needs to make an Executive Order banning the entire country from calling it "gravy" because of that one mistake. Fuck, I'm so sorry America.

>>9069667
so why not call it bechemwl sauce with added sausage?

>>9069674
Stock as well as milk or cream goes into a chicken gravy made from the drippings of a roast chicken. That's why our chicken gravy is a yellowish brown color.

>>9069683
I'm glad you have apologised for your ignorance.

>>9069685
>why not call it bechemwl sauce

Because it isn't bechemwl (sic) sauce.

>>9069685
Because it uses meat drippings.

>>9069680
Sage, cloves, marjoram, thyme, etc are more common than nutmeg though some sausages do contain nutmeg, I guess. It depends on the recipe. Regardless--try tasting the two sauces side by side and they're completely different.

>>9069685
Because it isn't fucking béchamel sauce. Just because it has milk in it doesn't make a sauce a bechamel sauce.

>>9069695

butter is a fat and drippings are a fat.

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>>9069717
The topic is "meat drippings"

>>9069710
for fucks sake read
>>9069142

Read the recipes

>>9069727
They are not the fucking same, dumb ass.

>where is the juice from the meat? It is not a gravy.

Pork has its own juices besides fucking lard.

>>9069727
Okay. First one I clicked on.

https://whatscookingamerica.net/Bread/MomBiscuitsGravy.htm

>Milk Gravy Recipe:
>1/4 cup pan drippings (bacon drippings or sausage drippings)*

Now fuck off you gigantic fucking spaz.

>>9069742
Stopped reading at Milk Gravy

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>>9069756
>Being this BTFO

Okay.

>>9069759
Just admit it, you have no clue how to make proper gravy.

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>>9069764
>He keeps going!

>>9069774
The problem with dumb septics is that they always think they are right and refuse to learn.

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>>9069781
>He's hanging in there!

>>9069786
Fucking gravy is older than your country

>>9069781
The problem with retarded Brits is that they're too stuck in their ways and cannot accept that X is considered X outside of their backwards nation since they've always done X a certain way for 1,000+ years. This is why your culture-especially from a culinary standpoint--is stagnant.

>>9065682
>implting native Americans were eating and calling them biscuits back in the 1300's

This website is shit since reddit moved in.

>>9069795
so gravy was already invented and the Yanks decided to add milk to it and call it the same name. Yanks are either stupid, ignorant or dumb, considering they speak English.

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>>9069793
>your country

England?

Keep going champ!

>>9069799
fuck off

>>9069821
Again--this is why your culinary culture is so stagnant. We have dozens of different types of gravy yet in the UK, you only have one. Brown gravy. I swear, the Pakis did you a service by bringing their food to your bland, inbred little island.

>>9064948
Potato nigger here. A cookie usually has chocolate chips, but can sometimes be without. Its a goey kind of biscuit.

A biscuit is something like a digestive or shortbread.

>>9069832
Pork based gravy, beef based gravy, lamb based gravy, chicken based gravy, turkey based gravy, wild fowl based gravy, venison gravy

>>9069832
Please name your "dozens" of gravies.

>>9069832
>country only has brown gravy
>country being flooded with shitskins

Coincidence or a predestination? Christ, I can't wait until their worthless anachronistic "royal" family propped up on enormous expenditures of tax money, goes brown.

>>9069863
Learn to google, faggot.

>>9069856
>turkey
>a bird native to the Americas
>trying to claim that as your gravy

>>9069864
Holy Fuck. This dumb cunt does not even realise that gravy is not white. Is he brainwashed by the democrats. GRAVY DOES NOT CONTAIN MILK.

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>>9069881
Typical British cuisine: >>9069588

MUH GRAVY.

>>9069870
You say "we" have dozens of different types of gravy. Who are "we" and name them. Sauces don't count.

>>9068102
4chan is 18+

>>9069894
"Dozens" was an exaggeration. Stop being fucking autistic. How about this, faggot: we eat many different types of gravy here. You can claim that you guys commonly eat turkey gravy, wild fowl gravy, venison gravy, etc in the UK but we both know that's complete bullshit. You faggots basically just eat beef gravy (brown) with your Sunday roast/bangers and mash and that's it. On the rare occasion that you do eat turkey gravy, that's an American gravy, anyway.

>>9069918
Never have I heard a dumber word said. English were cooking and feasting long before America was even named

>>9069881
>gravy is not white

See, that's precisely the kind of narrow minded rigid thinking that has led to your mess of a failing country. I can only hope we can learn from your pathetic degeneration before it's too late. But alas, britbongian ignorance and inflexibility has cropped up here too. At least we aren't propping up a degenerate "royal" family because muh tradition, god save the queen, and muh lost empire, whut?

>>9070039
oh wow. the democrats are vocal tonight

>>9070039
Go out in the streets and shout Hillary for milk in gravy.

>>9069369
you niggers eat potato sandwiches and you're complaining about what is being called a gravy

yuropoors never learn

>>9070078
>potato sandwiches
Do you mean crisp butties or chip butties?

>>9070443
>not enjoying a hot tattie butty

>>9069563
>gravy does not contain milk
Prove it.

>>9069490
country (((gravy)))
1. A (((gravy))) made from pan drippings (leftover oil and juice in the pan from cooking meat), flour, and milk. Its thickness depends on the amount of milk used. It's usually served with biscuits, mashed potatoes, or country fried steak.

The internet says you're wrong.

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>>9068091
>Scone carbonara
What the actual fuck!!!

>>9070811
Source, you forgot to post the source.

>>9070920
>Scone carbonara

This is now a thing.

>>9067816
This is not true. Soccer is derived from the shortening of Association Football. The Brits did call it Soccer with us, for a while, but switched to join the rest of the continent at around the same time they started calling their other significant variant Rugby.

>>9064919
>americans call biscuits cookies but call dog cookies biscuits

smfhfamalam

>>9068091
>girlfriend has never had B&G
>show her pictures of it
>"i dunno it looks kinda gross"
>"yeah everyone thinks that"
>introduce her to B&G
>next sunday...
>"anon, can you make B&G again?"