What do you think of lab meat or In vitro meat? Will it save

maybe if it stopped being like $1000/oz or whatever it is

I'm excited. Once lab grown meat is more commercially available, you can bet your lab grown ass that it'll be cheaper than regular meat. I don't care how bad red meat is for me, I'll be eating like a king.

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>>9047066
>tfw you may live to see the day lab meat becomes cheap and scientists engineer hybrid meats like chicke-pork or turducken that become commercially available

>>9047066
Great idea even if it seems like something out of a corny sci fi flick. I know vegans who will try it once it hits market

>>9047118
What will the vegans who refuse to eat it call themselves
You know they love to catagorize themselves into groups, so you know it's going to happen.
I'm thinking it'll go
>pescatarian
>vegatarian
>mild vegan
>vegan
>pure vegan

>>9047127
>labgrownatarian

>>9047098
I don't think you understand the supply side of supply and demand.

>>9047152
Realistically a vegan who eats lab grown meat is going to be ostracized for not being a "real" vegan.

>>9047066
Show me how it works and make it taste good

>>9047066
I'd like to see an OC with it, but there's no one on /ck/ who could come close to affording it.

>>9047066
i like labia meat, if you know what i mean

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>>9047066
There is no murder involved with real steak, why would I give a shit about some fake meat which is more expensive than gold and will probably be found to cause thirteen types of cancer.

>>9047155
And you don't seem to understand production scaling associated with improved technology.

a handmade automobile in 1900 could cost the equivalent of 100's of thousand of dollars, and even the most basic models could still set someone back 40-100 grand. people thought cars were novel toys that would never catch on until technology caught up and in 1920 the price was quartered or even tenthed.

Mark my words. Grown meat is going to be the next automobile.

being vegan applies to more than just not eating meat, it's about not using animal proudcts of any kind

like how they do some crazy shit with certain shampoos have a chemical from cow kidneys or some nut shit

>>9047114
>chicke-pork
Don't you mean chork?
Fish and Duck will be Fuck.

Once they really master it to become cheap, it's going to be great. until then all I can do is wait.

>>9048533
I hope you're right.

>>9048583
I'll have a fuck sandwich.

>>9047297
How is it fake meat

I'm hoping it becomes superior to real meat.
Custom flavors and textures. Fat completely interspersed within the meat rather than streaks and marbling.

>>9047114
>Eating animals
>Not eating human meat cloned from HeLa cell lines

>>9047066
the taste of the meat is given from what the animal eat during is life, from his age, health and how much he moves, whit this shit you will get always the same meat

>>9047088
The price has already dropped drastically as they improve the efficiency of the process. It's only a matter of time.

I'd try lab grown meat at least once for novelty. I don't each that much beef in the first place but I'm not opposed and would buy if it somehow ends up being the cheaper option.

>>9047066
the price has already decreased drastically, something like 80 or 18 thousand for a burger down to 8 thousand, and it's just going to continue to get cheaper.

i'm all for it, if it tastes looks and feels like organic meat and is priced the same or even cheaper there's no reason not to eat it. it would be nuts for the environment, too

>>9047066
I will personally go out and execute some feral horses to eat, if "lab-grown" ever becomes required.

Also dogs, bunnies, and any other wild mammal in sight.

>>9048583
or Dish, or Fuck Dish.

>>9047088

What if it cost 12 dollars a burger patty?

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2015/s4205857.htm

>>9048772
>down to 8 thousand
Isn't the cost down to 3 figures or less for 1 lb. around now?

>>9048790

Whoops, posted the wrong link. That one says 80kg a kilo currently, giving you a 150 gram patty for 12 dollars.

>>9048774
Calm down anon, regular beef and meat will probably still be sold. It'll be the new "organic" option

>>9047127
the definition of vegan is to reduce animal suffering as much as reasonably possible.

>>9048671
I don't think people will want to eat cancer cells. You could probably convince a bunch of people to eat human cells, but I really doubt the market is there for cancer.

>>9047066
It will only contain what scientists put into it, so it will lack vital micronutrients whose nutritional value we still don't understand.

Also, people will start to crave naturally raised meat given special diets, etc. Like pigs that fed on acorns or kobe beef, except in the future it will be an massive luxury to eat beef that fed on grass from chalky soil, for example. It will be as expensive as eating a zoo animal.

>>9048834
That's why they restrict their cats and dogs to a vegan diet, too ...

Vegan logic.

>>9048834
>the definition of vegan is to reduce animal suffering as much as reasonably possible.
I thought it was about being a pretentious cunt

>>9048623
Hold the mayo

>>9048945
It's the difference between an on paper definition and how it actually plays out in real life

>>9047066
I would do it if:

>It was healthy
>Cheap
>Tasted indistinguishable from real meat

I agree with the notion of vegetarianism/veganism (Not the radicalism that comes out of it) but I simply can't be fucked to do it.

I don't think it'll be received well by the stupid general public, and unless they can perfectly grow all varieties of meat and have them be EXACTLY as good as the real thing, then people will still be farming good meat off animals anyway and in vitro meat will just be seen as an inferior product for poor people at best.

Pretty hyped for it, hope they can fix the taste to be like premium meat. It will take a while to get there, but having a different option then supporting the killing of animals (sometimes in barbaric ways) would be pretty cool.

>>9047066
what murder?
have you been threatened of murder?

>>9048964
I would do it with just the first two, but I'm confident it'll be less healthy than eating natural meat until well after my lifetime when they get their shit figured out.

It's gonna have to go through at least a couple phases of "EVEN MODERATE CONSUMPTION OF LAB MEAT REDUCES LIFESPAN NEWS AT 11" before it's actually as good for people as real meat.

But if it was actually healthy and cheap I wouldn't care if it tasted relatively bland because animals are qt, I could make real meat a once-in-a-while thing if lab meat just tasted decent.

>>9049060
I wonder how lab meat and its inevitable varieties will be marketed. I hope once it gets really cheap it's the protein source for plebians since I can't eat eggs for cheap protein

>>9048795
probably, last time i bothered to check it out was a while ago

>>9047066
I don't give a heck about the "morality" of meat eating, but the idea of mass meat production is pretty nuts, grow a ton of food to produce a little food

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>>9047066
>in a number of years they could theoretically 3d print meat that looks like it came out of a cartoon

>>9048799
>80kg a kilo

>>9049138
If lab meat cuts down typical beef production by 30% in the future how much land would open up?

>>9047114
This is worrisome because the first thing major manufacturers are going to do is pack tons of sugar into the meat.

>>9049251
Then buy regular meat until there's more options with no sugar?

>>9049253
They'll triple the price on normal meat.

biggest problem will be texture

is it all ground meat or can they make actual steaks?

>>9048533
I agree with this.

It's also way easier on the environment since you grow steaks rather than whole cows and there is a whole lot less waste and a whole lot less methane in the air.

Since you won't get the world to go vegan, vat meat is the answer to our problems.

There are also other benefits like taking the DNA from the very best wagyu and making a steak in perfect conditions and selling it for cheap to everyone.

Post scarcity beef almost desu flemelem

>>9049257
How do you know? That would make it even less competitive if lab meat gets cheap enough. Give me your future vision anon, since you can predict every factor about the economy

>>9048751
Wrong. They can decide the nutrition exactly and make the muscles work with electric pulses.

There's a podcast with one of the leaders in the field:

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/meat-without-murder

Fascinating stuff desu.

>>9049060
>but I'm confident it'll be less healthy than eating natural meat until well after my lifetime when they get their shit figured out.
It's going to have no antibiotics, no growth hormone, no e coli and other shit bacteria.

They can even play with the settings about what kind of fats you want to be prevalent and in which amounts.

It will be the healthiest meat around.

>tfw lab grown shellfish/seafood that is free from runoff pollution in the oceans

Also they are making a lot of headway with regular plant based meat substitutes that are virtually indistinguishable and don't rely on soy

>>9049287

>plant based meat
>virtually indistinguishable

just stop

raising expectations with lies like that helps no one

>>9049259
>It's also way easier on the environment....

We have no idea what the lab process is, therefore we have no idea if it's easier on the environment or not. For all we know the lab process requires special chemicals or a massive amount of energy. Nobody has disclosed how the process works. So while we might hope that it's more environmentally friendly, the fact is that we simply don't know.

>> taking the DNA from the very best wagyu and making a steak in perfect conditions and selling it for cheap to everyone.
That would be awesome. But I wouldn't hold my breath. Look at what's been going on with GMO crops: Sure, they COULD have used the technology to focus on improving the taste and the texture of the crops involved. But they didn't. Instead, they completely ignored the quality aspect and instead focused on yield. It's all about "cheaper"; they don't give a shit about quality.

Reminder that the South American food industry crashing means that lots and lots of people will pack and move north.

Not eating Argentinian steak means supporting white genocide.

>>9049279
>It will be the healthiest meat around.

and how will it contain all the natural micronutrients and minerals that regular meat has?

As someone who lived a few years in Ranch Country I'm all for this. I've seen first hand how much land and water and other resources the fucking cows require. Once this sort of tech becomes economical on a large scale we can open up mega labs outputting as much biomass as an average cattle herd but requiring 1/100 of the land. Land that can then be turned into nature preserves, or farm land, or residential or business development, or anything more useful than acres and acres of pasture.

>>9049328
I would assume that whatever artificial blood supply is used to grow the meat would contain the requisite nutrients, the same way that a nutrient solution is used in hydroponic gardening.

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>>9049315
>We have no idea what the lab process is, therefore we have no idea if it's easier on the environment or not
Are you for real? They're not just hypothesizing, they've done the numbers since lab meat is a thing they're making right at this moment, and have been for many years by now. The basic process is taking stem cells from a living cow through a needle and injecting it into agar to let it grow. Like those science experiments in elementary school where you grow bacteria in a petri dish. More complicated than that obviously, but the general gist is finding a more efficient way to produce meat while having to use up less land and resources.

>>9049352
>More complicated than that obviously, but the general gist is finding a more efficient way to produce meat while having to use up less land and resources.

I realize that's the goal, but has anyone published an actual, empirical, description of exactly what they are doing and what the costs are (materials, energy, etc.)

Don't get me wrong--I think the idea of lab-grown meat is a great thing. But when I read this thread I see precious little in the way of actual facts and a whole lot of wishful thinking.

You say "they've done the numbers"--are these published anywhere? Or is this just conjecture?

>>9049316
We don't have to let them in.

>>9049352
I've been a butcher for almost 10 years now. If you take this trade away from me I will be out of the job and struggling to support my family.

If you want to eat lab-made and gas-sealed meat go to walmart and tell me how good it is.

>>9049370
I trust the word of the people working on it more than randoms since they're the ones who managed to bring the price down to 12$ a patty. Google the site of the leading company, can't be assed to find their name again but it was in a recent article about lab meat.

I really don't see anything that could be as nefarious as how beef is currently being produced and manufactured. Lab meat as far as I can tell doesn't require pesticides and a shit ton of methane by product.

>>9049386
lmao calm down you raging sperg, you're probably fine for a good many years since it'll take a while for the public at large to trust it and there will still be people who prefer the taste of what the meat they've always eaten.

>>9049328
>>9049343
This.

>>9049386
Don't worry, there is no way they're anywhere near scaling it up to industrial quantities, plus it's massively more expensive than cow grown beef, and look at diamonds... Perfect ones can be grown in a lab but people still buy "natural" diamonds. You know like you can taste the grass and dirt the cow was grown on or something....


And if they did to replace really cow grown meat with lab meat there would be a lot of pissed of ranchers, and they're an unruly lot as it is.

>>9049390
>I really don't see anything that could be as nefarious as how beef is currently being produced and manufactured

I don't either. But the fact remains that I have yet to see any hard facts on the subject, and I DO see a whole lot of wishful thinking.

>>9049386
The butcher trade will never go away. Even if lab-grown meat is honestly fantastic there will always be people who won't trust it and want the old school stuff instead. Not to mention there is no doubt in my mind that lab grown meat will focus on a cheap low-end product for the masses, the exact same way that GMOs have played out with produce. Perhaps I could go to the market and buy a slab of "meat", but what if I want liver? hearts? caul fat? intestine for sausage casings? Skin to make crackling? I don't think that niche products like those are going to get lab-grown anytime soon, if ever. Gotta go to the butcher for that stuff.

>>9049394
>raging sperg
t-that was my first post anon, what did I do...
Obviously it's not an overnight thing.
>>9049398
Agreed.

>>9049403
Here's an article that took 1 minute to google:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/lab-grown-meat-inches-closer-us-market-industry-wonders-who-will-regulate
How is it that far of a reach to consider it achievable within the next two decades when people have made larger revolutions before?

>>9049352
>More complicated than that obviously,

Yes, and possibly more expensive and with worse environmental impact. These "simple" processes get into a silly level of complexity if you want the result to be consistent and marketable.

And any of the little side-effects and side-processes may add to the environmental impact.

Say, you need to get rid of some impurities from the agar. For this, you need a health-safe chemical which you need to filter through an osmium catalyst grid. To obtain a few grams of osmium, about a square mile of terrain is strip-mined, then heavy industry processes separate the trace amounts of the element from other ores. You want this on industrial scale? You'll need a hundred kilograms of osmium.

The core process may be trivial, but you need to trace the whole production infrastructure tree to see the complete impact.

>>9049403
I wouldn't say "never", but I guess a perspective of 50-100 years is likely, more is still possible.

Plus how long till all 3rd world countries abandon animal meat?

>>9049414
Isn't food grade agar already manufactured on a large scale?

>>9049413
>How is it that far of a reach to consider it achievable within the next two decades when people have made larger revolutions before?

It's not. All I'm saying is that right now we don't know any specifics, and therefore we need to be careful making conjecture. It's binary. We either know the facts or we don't. And right now, we don't.

Remember what happened when they first started talking about GMO crops. People thought it was going to be fantastic since we could now get the best possible tasting [insert name of your favorite fruit or veggie here]. But the fact is that no, GMO crops completely ignored quality and focused on yield instead.

>>9049422
Food grade =/= Good enough to grow a culture.

Imagine the difference between the quality of work needed to wash dishes for everyday home use as opposed to what a hospital needs to do in order to sterilize surgical tools.

This is the problem here. Plenty of people with wishful thinking, but nobody knows the facts.

>>9047098
How poor are you that beef is so expensive

>>9049426
Analogies are never actually an argument, though. And why are gmos and the practices involved with it considered static for all time when genetics modification is basically in its infancy?

So you're basically butthurt about people getting hopes up for something that's many years off anyway and will obviously go through trials of improvements for the decades following its introduction like anything else?

>>9049422
Agar was just an example. There are hundreds of thousands of small subprocesses to every industrial process. Most of them are mostly harmless, or required in mostly harmless amounts. But every new process gets a few "elephants" that are only developed to "friendly" levels as the technology catches on and funds start flowing from actual mass consumers and not VCs.

Considering the current alternative, the "elephants" would need to be quite huge to outweigh the benefits, but that doesn't mean they don't exist, or that they aren't enormous - we just don't know.

>>9047066
Talk to me when it can compete with the price and quality of normal beef.

>>9049442
I mean, I still don't see why the alarmism. Lab meat will be on shaky ground whenever it manages to sell in the future, if someone finds out that they're sekritly poisoning the environment on a worrying scale or there's something else wrong with it (and there will be a lot of sniffing around) and companis are breaking regulations to make it, people will be swift to avoid it like the plague.

If the price and nutrition is comparable, and the taste is tolerable, then yes I would opt for lab-grown over harvested meat.

>>9049449
There are two ways around that problem:
- don't do the evil shit
- hide the evil shit really well.

I'm not trying to be alarmist, and I really wish them all my best, but I curb my enthusiasm - seeing too much kool-aid and people buying into some really bad marketing lies "in the name of the environment".

All these "environment-friendly detergents" that biodegrade in your sewage without poisoning ground water and are so nice and safe and friendly you could drink them? Yeah, they are as safe and friendly and they really don't harm the nature, that's all honest truth! The little lie is in the manufacturing process, which pollutes the environment way worse than the sum of pollution of manufacturing of "normal detergents" and their environmental impact after use.

It's an ugly lie through omission. Pollution was made worse than it was before, it's just that the point where the pollution is created was shifted from households to factories.

>>9049464
Meh, I just don't see the meat industry not being hypervigilant and eager to slander lab meat (in the future) with any little opening they can find

>>9047156
>ostracized for not being a "real" vegan
Not if lab-grown meat doesn't cast a shadow

>>9049434
>Analogies are never actually an argument, though
They're not proof, if that's what you mean. But they most certainly are an argument.

>>And why are gmos and the practices involved with it considered static..
The GMO technology will obviously improve over time. But that's missing the point. The point is that what happened with GMOs gives us insight into how the industry operates. It shows us that the industry does not care about quality and instead focuses on cheaper. Heck, you can see the same thing with factory-farmed meat. Factory farming of pigs and chickens produces very cheap meat, but also nearly flavorless meat. This trend goes back to the 1970's (Refer to On Food and Cooking by McGee for more information). Empirically we can see that most customers and certainly the industry don't care about quality. They care about cheap. And it would be foolish indeed to expect any different from lab-grown meat.

>>people getting hopes up for something
I'm just warning those people not to hold their breath. I'm sure lab grown meat will indeed become practical at some point. But I think that the dream of being able to buy high-grade "wagyu" at your local supermarket is just that--a dream. I'm trying to bring a little reality to the discussion.

>>9049479
>But they most certainly are an argument.
Not one worth saying, since contexts are never identical and they're never persuasive either, so they got nothing to back them up.

>>9049485
You're a retard.

Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

>>9049470
Neither do I. But they are bound to take cheap shots if the opportunity presents itself and artificial meat makers do something stupid.

And the vat-grown meat development enthusiast drink enough kool-aid to look over these and let the production and sale begin.

Yes, do it, work on it, but don't fucking rush it! Make it work, make it safe, make it cheap, good and flawless, then open the door to broad public. If you rush it, you'll set the whole development decades back.

>>9049488
No, being a retard is thinking history even works that way. Beyond very general statements that can be made about human nature (that can be observed entirely in the present as well), there's rarely any situation from history more specific than that that's useful in to apply to a situation today. Especially as the rate of change in modern society and technology continues to just get faster

>>9049505
>Beyond very general statements that can be made about human nature (that can be observed entirely in the present as well)

And that's exactly what I'm talking about. We can observe from the present, as well as from recent history, that the Ag industry puts cheaper first and quality second.

Therefore it would be silly to expect anything different from the lab meat industry.

I'm not saying that lab meat will be dangerous. I'm saying it will likely be of shit-tier quality, the exact same way that factory-farmed meats and GMO crops are.

In other words, it's a pipe dream to imagine going to the supermarket and buying premium lab-grown meats. In this century, anyway.

>>there's rarely any situation from history more specific than that that's useful in to apply to a situation today

That is without a doubt the stupidest thing I have ever read on this website. I mean that.

>>9049512
>That is without a doubt the stupidest thing I have ever read on this website. I mean that.
Disprove it then with the perfect example of a situation from 100+ years ago that would notably speed up the resolution of a modern problem. How exactly would that knowledge be applied? How would it be executed? Is it even possible if the people who have power over that problem don't give a shit?

>>9049520
And it has to be a very specific situation that goes beyond
>people are greedy and have vices mmkay

>>9049520
>>100 years ago
Sounds like the goalposts just moved.

But that can still be easily answered. Ever read The Art of War by Sun Tzu? One of the battles he discusses involves a tiny army facing a much greater foe. He discusses how the smaller force used their greater mobility, hit-and-run, and demoralizing tactics in order to defeat the enemy despite being greatly outnumbered. That was exactly the same strategy the Finns used to beat the Russians during the one-year war, roughly 1400 years later.

If you want a more modern example of how people have *not* learned from history, compare the current "war on drugs" to prohibition in the USA. During prohibition the lack of a legal alcohol market created a massive black market in which was controlled by heavily armed gangsters & organized crime. It was ripe with violence. Sound anything like today's drug dealing cartels? Back in the 20's and 30's we had Al Capone. In modern times we have El Chapo.

>>9049522
>And it has to be a very specific situation that goes beyond

Phew, son. Leave those goalposts alone. Especially since we're discussing a general situation here rather than specifics.

>>9049546
Not that anon, but you're assuming there were people in positions of power who didn't know about prohibition when marching into the war on drugs, though. Knowing about it isn't going to be useful if they had ulterior motivations to carry it out. And I don't think cocaine and meth will ever get reasonably legalized anyway like alcohol.

>>9049546
>a war tactic even the native americans came up with now counts as a specific historical situation
That's like saying the drawing techniques of the renaissance masters count as 1 specific situation in history

>>9049562
>but you're assuming there were people in positions of power who didn't know about prohibition when marching into the war on drugs, though

No, not really. My point was limited to this:
>We enacted prohibition
>As a result, a black market controlled by criminal gangs and organized crime popped up.

And the exact same thing happened later:
>We enacted the war on drugs.
>As a result, criminal gangs and organized crime control a huge black market

...and that's not just in the US. That's worldwide. The Yakuza in Japan, Triads in China, etc, control their country's drug market.

The motivations for enacting those policies is besides the point. The point is that banning a popular substance creates an illegal market & spawns violence. It happened during the opium wars. It happened during prohibition. It's happening now with the war on drugs.

>>9049581
No the original point was how exactly simply KNOWING about illegal markets could have done anything about all the black market drugs when those enacting laws and regulations have it in their interest to not legalize, even if they knew everything about illegal markets. What are they supposed to do instead? Let the meth heads have much easier access and kill themselves faster to an earlier grave? That's already happening with opiates where opiate addiction is rising fast in the U.S. because the pills are easy to get your hands on legally

>>9048583
>Fish and duck would be fuck

No it would be disgusting

>>9049609
>What are they supposed to do instead? Let the meth heads have much easier access

Yes.
The overwhelming majority of deaths and other health issues from drug use come from two factors, both of which are tied to the fact that it's illegal:
1) A black market is unregulated, therefore the potency of a drug and it's purity are totally unknown. This is why people overdose--they get a drug that's of higher purity than what they're used to, take the same amount as usual, and suddenly they've ODed. Likewise, the fact that needles are often regulated means that addicts re-use them which spreads disease. Drugs are also cut with toxic substances--sometimes deliberately*

2) Any time you have a black market it's going to be filled with criminal elements--gangsters, soliders for organized crime, and their associated penchant for turf wars and violence.

If a user can instead go to a pharmacy and buy a product of known potency and purity without having to deal with criminals then those problems disappear.

And again, we can look to history for this. Many drugs, like heroin, were openly sold for decades from legal sources, yet the problems we have today didn't exist at that time.

*I saw a fascinating documentary by Vice the other day. They were interviewing a Heroin dealer in the US. He explained how he deliberately would spike one out of ever 100 envelopes of heroin that he sold with fentanyl, which is many times stronger. The whole point of this was that when someone took the fentanyl-containing heroin the resulting OD would kill them. This would give him a reputation for selling "the strong stuff" and thus would help his business. That's a perfect example of how shifting the market to a legal one would result in fewer deaths....just like how some of the old moonshiners would spike their booze with methanol. Same shit, different day.

>>9049581
>The motivations for enacting those policies is besides the point.
But that's the actual entire point. Human behavior and how people think fundamentally comes first over any one specific historical event in history when it comes to practical and applicable knowledge to modern problems.

>>9048628
""""lab-grown"""" meat, WHATEVER faggot.

My point about the cost and cancer still stands.

>>9049654
>Vice
Jesus christ.

Wasn't China having a pretty disruptive addiction problem when the British Empire was pretty much showering the population with opium? If you're going to be pessimistic about human nature, be consistent. It's so much easier to fall into an addiction, especially if it's easy to find, than it is cope with it reasonably. It would be nice if the gang violence was removed, but what would replace it with people getting addicted to harder drugs freely with no real limit? Especially as an increasingly larger proportion of the middle U.S. find themselves with not much else to do

>>9047066
Disgusting

>>9049684
China basically executed all drug addicts and dealers and their families during Mao's time. Pretty sure that is not a road they'd travel down again.

>>9049660
>But that's the actual entire point.

It's not the one I was making, so no, it's not the point.

>> Human behavior and how people think fundamentally comes first
And they shouldn't. That's why we are making the same "War on drugs" mistake today as we made with prohibition back then.

>>9049740
Yeah, but it's not like narcotics just go away. And Mao probably did more damage than the British Empire's opium in terms of collective trauma, and the modern Chinese basically have dust for souls after what they experienced in the 20th century due to communism.

>>9049748
>And they shouldn't.
But the reality is that they do and there's really no way to change that unless you find an easy way to genetically modify billions of people. Another alternative is recognizing that knowing how people think and human psychology is so more powerful as a tool than just knowing a bunch of specific history facts. And then proceed to take advantage of it for the sake of good.

People naturally judge by comparison and whatever outside influences are strongest at the time, not objectivity. It's why even when a nation is quite wealthy and basic needs are met for most of the bottom 10%, /relative/ poverty has the potential to spike up homicide rates and destabilize society.

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>>9048799
>80kg a kilo

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Yeah, I think it will make things a lot better. The problems are perfecting it, and changing people's perception of it. A lot of people will say "it's unnatural, we shouldn't eat it". But if you try to explain to them that the factory farmed meat they eat with animals being fed unnatural diets, given antibiotics, the health risks, and just trying to explain that something being "natural" doesn't make it "good" they usually don't listen.

I think it'll take a few celebrity endorsements and for a new generation to grow up with it being available and not a big development that came out when they were adults for it to be more accepted.

>>9049257
Why would agricultural companies intentionally price themselves out of the market?

>>9047066
killing and then eating humans is a pretty marginal thing so nothing to save us from

I'd gleefully switch over to lab meat if it had even close to the same price, quality, and safety. I'm one of those people who kind of cares about the ethics of eating meat but not enough to actually do anything about it, which means as long as it's close the mild ethical benefit will cause me to switch over.

>>9049386
That's the cost of progress. The fact that the folks who make or drive buggies for a living wind up unemployed doesn't mean we should reject the car.

>>9049784
Not him but
>mass distrust in lab grown meats
>people already overwhelmingly buy brands over price
>price of lab meat is half farm meat, people buy the package that says farm grown because it's what their dad grew up on
>raise price because demand is more than the shelf space they took off to offer lab meat, constantly running out of product before stores close, even though people are buying lab meat
There could be massive fear campaigns to slander lab meat from Big Ag as well as scandals of groups saying "yea, it's a lab steak, but because it was on a farm, we can technically say it's a farm-grown steak" and a lot of other corporate bs like that.

>>9049856
This has nothing to do with meat but how quickly people are being replaced by machinery and possibly A.I. in the future might become a much larger concern than ever before a long while from now. Trouble happens when there's a bunch of people stuck with nothing to do even if the money issues were mitigated somehow

>>9049287
>virtually indistinguishable
keep telling yourself that

once its indistinguishable yes i will, it means we can provide top notch cuts at low prices to everyone and we dont need to kill or cultivate cows. once we can also make more classic milk it will be amazing.

>>9048671
MMMMM CERVICAL CANCER

>>9049316

nigger the only thing argentina export is soy so we don't give a fuck about this, hope some lab comes heres and exports argentinian lab-steak tho

I used to be against this, and maybe on some level I'm still trying to figure it out emotionally speaking, but I already eat and enjoy Slim Jims, spam, Banquet breakfast sausages, etc. I can't imagine this would be that big of a leap from where I am.

>>9049763
>But the reality is that they do

Yes, that was my point many posts above. People are retards that don't learn from history. Or, as another anon pointed out--perhaps they DO know better but choose to make stupid decisions for other nefarious reasons. I suspect there's a lot of people in the government who know damn well that the war on drugs is ineffective, but they support it anyway because of money.

>>9053073
and that's exactly whats happening in this thread

people are hoping they will have cheap super-high-grade beef, but they are blind to the history that has shown us that whenever big ag gets involved in a project like this they always go for cheaper rather than quality

>>9049520
>>9049522
Whoo, lad, that derailment from what he was arguing earlier is top tier. Didn't see that one coming at all.

>>9049251
Maybe in America. Not in the rest of the world.

>>9047066
Lab grown meat is fucking gross.
There is only one reason why anyone should be excited for lab grown meat - you could create new flavors. One day we are going to have lab grown meat that tastes better than the real thing.

>>9047297
>There is no murder involved with real steak,
Most grains go to feeding livestock. The United States could feed 800 million people with the grains livestock eat. You support the poverty and death of humanity by buying meat.

>>9053167
>Lab grown meat is fucking gross.

How would you know that? Have you tried it?

>>9053167
>There is only one reason why anyone should be excited for lab grown meat - you could create new flavors.
Yeah who cares if it's less likely to give you cancer and bitch tits? Who cares if it's not as damaging to the planet?

Are you a NEET?

>>9053193
You sound like a retarded bitch tits liberal.
>muh cancer
>muh planet
Go eat a leaf, leaf.

>>9053177
Fucking commies, the farmers only grow that grain because there's a demand for it.

If I were to wake up tomorrow too poor to afford to put olive oil on my salad, that's not the fault of the Guidos who put it in their hair.

>>9053177
Poverty in the US isn't due to any shortage of food, numbnuts. What, do you think if we didn't have livestock that farmers would grow grain to feed the homeless? Your logic is giving me a tumor.

>>9053146
America is the world. Everyone else will follow, and America will end up producing most of the product anyways.

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>>9047127
and transvegan also

>>9047066
When I can get a lab burger quarter pounder for 2 dollars then I'll be on board

>>9047066
um no this is worse then traditional mean because it prolong's the suffering of the animal tortured for it's dna too grow the meat it will suffer even after its tortured too death because their still growing part's of it for greedy murder eaters too consume

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>>9048583
Ey come gitcha fuck meat ovah here

>>9048917
Dogs can live without meat but yeah that'll kill cats

>>9048898
I mean, with data from the entire population of poor people, we'll figure it out pretty quickly!
>>9053591
The in a quarter pounder costs about...30 cents. You're gonna need robots to get down to $2

>>9047066
i want a prime rib roast wagyu culture

ETA of culture kit hitting public sale when?
30 years?

>>9054091
??

>>9047066
reduce carbon emmisions a lot maybe ..

>>9054237
ETA never. See >9049315

>>9047066
i suppose i welcome it, if it's the same meat, why not

>>9054237
My money is on within the next two decades.

If AGI doesn't wipe us out, that is.

That shit's going to be for starving Africans and poor people when it can start being mass produced for cheap.
We'll still be eating natural beef.

>>9054251
I was trying to say that the patty in a quarter pounder is about 30 cents

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>>9047066

when it is cost effective and viable, sure.

it needs to come in shapes though. like a rocket ship or something.

>>9054282
But that's because mcdonald's buys in bulk correct?

>>9054286
Yeah, you can get similar value at places like Sam's club but you'll be buying 50 preformed patties of ungraded beef

>>9054301
No, the ground beef you're talking about is still graded, but it's either the lowest grade deemed fit for human consumption by the FDA/USDA or close to it. And to get it to $.30/quarter lb it will be the 5lb cryovaced rolls, not individual preformed patties. But that's the same level of beef they are serving you at all fastfood restaurants. (((They))) really fuck you over on the price, because it's all such shittier quality. You think a Big Mac meal costing $6.00 is cheap, but they produced it for $1.20 at most with garbage pig trough ingredients.

>>9054301
Rather have some high end lab beef

>>9048834
that's not how definitions work.

>>9054329
USDA grading is completely optional

https://m.samsclub.com/ip/sirloin-beef-patties-18-1-3-lb-patties/prod20294540#

These are ungraded for example, and so is McDonald's beef (why would they pay to grade their custom internal use only beef?)

>>9054329
https://m.samsclub.com/ip/seasoned-ground-beef-patties-40ct/197055

More ungraded beef, about .60 cents per patty on the site but I've seen it cheaper in store

>>9054329
Oh by the way, our (internal corporate) metric at McDonald's is that food is on average 15% of what the customer pays(but drinks are factored in so it's a little off for anything but explaining to managers that giving away food is usually profitable)

>>9054276
>We'll still be eating natural beef.
natural beef raised in factory farms, given antibiotics, kept refrigerated, etc.

natural does not mean the same as good

>>9049316
Argentina is fucked either way but no one will leave because they are all retarded and "patriotic" for no fucking reason.
There is literally no reason to be patriotic in argentina, aside from maybe san martin.

For example, i have a bussiness, this year for the first time in 15+ years it made a profit.
You how much of that profit i have to give to the goverment?

80%

>>9054626
Good meme

>>9053177
>The United States could feed 800 million people with the grains livestock eat
do you realize what unleashing 800 million more niggers on the world will do

>>9048964
>I agree with the notion of vegetarianism/veganism (Not the radicalism that comes out of it)
lol and what notion would that be

>>9049581
The DEA could shut down 95% of drug trafficking at any time if they wanted to. But they don't want to.

>>9047066
>Will it save us from all the murder?
>made with fetal bovine serum
No.

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>>9054698
>i have a business in south america
>i didn't make a profit for 15 years
>the gubmint takes all my money

Lol. You're on an anonymous Andean panflute music board, why do you have to lie about cheating on your income tax? Hell even in the US, servers only report credit card tips, not cash.

>>9055379
>why do they keep spending hundreds of billions on an unwinnable war on drugs?

Hmm, I guess it couldn't be to keep the corporate prison industry, which strangely enough contributes money to our illustrious congressmen, operating. Or perhaps it's to justify the militarization of a domestic police force? Or maybe justifying laws passed to permit the confiscation of personal property without even charging the individual with a crime? Both sides are culpable, it's not right or left. Why we've accepted this as the status quo is the interesting thing.

>>9055529
Jesus Christ could you at least be less of a faggot about it.

>>9047066
How long until some "genius" decides to introduce "human flavor?"

>>9049924
so? necessity is the mother of all invention, so deal with it. technology has eliminated more jobs in more numbers then you can possibly imagine, and all those people founds something else to do

>>9053105
this still works, this means that crappy organic meat has no market, and suddenly everyone who produces real meat is going to have only one leg to stand on: taste and quality. No longer will real beef that could of been good end up in a macdonalds burger, cows are gonna become queens and get loved the fucking shit out of because good tasting meat is going to be the only way to make it worth selling

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>yfw lab meat actually looks like this

>>9055636

probably wouldn't be able to distinguish it from pork

>>9047066
Its fascinating, As a biochemist I would love to try some.

If it tastes as good as natural grown, sure.
But it won't.
We all know it.
It'll be a commercial replacement for vegans and maybe eventually fast food where it already tasted like shit. But nothing will replace a natural sirloin cut.

>>9056271
i reckon if you cooked that puppy it'd look just like regular beef.

>>9047066
The meat industry barons will bawl their eyes out.

"meat" isn't the same as different cutes of meat, so I'm confident they won't imitate what I want in a long time.
Also they don't have to "reach teh same price", I'm not switching unless it's cheaper at the same price.

>>9056814
>unless it's cheaper at the same price.
al/ck/ is leaking

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>>9047066
For me personally, knowing that an animal lost its life for my pleasure is a big part of eating meat.
Even if this strange lab meat would taste better than the real meat, it can not give me that sensation.

>>9047156
just label it as "soy" with quotation marks, then they can say they're eating soy.

>>9055636
>>9047066
is it cannibalism if I eat human lab-grown meat?

>>9057194
We need to work on this and make our end goal pleasuring all animals.

>no immune system
so this shit will either be awash in chemicals or be vulnerable to any infection that comes its way. No thank you

>>9057609
I used to worry about that, but when you think about it, the problem is moot. There are already industrial processes that use bacteria to create pharmaceutical products, vitamin supplements, cleaning agents, and all sorts of other things. That problem has been solved decades ago.

>>9056271
Why does it look like worms

>Animals made of cells
>We eat those cells
>This is murder

>Lab meat made of cells
>We eat those cells
>This is not murder

There's no reason to eat lab meat other than to feel like you're better than other people.

>>9047066
>Murder
The real reason to do so is because livestock is inefficient and plant based substitutes are hard to customize to one's liking. All the seitan and pea protein in the world can't replace a bloody cut but it'd also be weird seeing a lot of boneless slabs and chicken loaves if this does become feasible.

>>9057664
they add worms for flavor, cultured beef is like cardboard

>>9056459
you dont know that though

some fake things taste better than the real deal but we dont eat them because they're terrible for you most of the time.

>>9056271
Bunch of rogue tissues.

They need to get something to construct those proteins into something that doesn't look like it'd only be good for a 0% fat burger.

>>9048834

being a vegan is 100% about being an annoying dicksucking faggot and you know it

>>9047066
Would synthetic rubber save the Allies from the Empire of Japan controlling all the rubber in WW2?

>>9058523
So you're saying we should nuke Japan?

>>9047066
Gonna pass on this. I won't gain the strength or vigor of said animal, by eating this meat, if it was never an animal.

>>9058542
Ah, but you would gain the strength and vigor of science!