am I a pleb for drinking this? was only 10usd. what other red

10$? It's like 5$ at costco

>>8911969
i'm not huge on blends only because i don't know enough about individual wines to know why a blend of them is a good idea. i call myself a wine noob and i've been drinking wine for years. i haven't really run across any stellar american wines, desu. italy, france and spain make killer wines, and there are some tasty esoteric wines from every country. you should go to a wine tasting or something and dive in instead of committing yourself to a whole bottle of whatever some idiot on 4chan sells you on.

that said, you should try a malbec. my go-to is trapiche reserva.

also, check out vivino if you give a shit.

>>8911969
If you enjoyed it you shouldnt worry if you're a pleb or not, keep drinking if you did and if you didn't stop.

All wine is the same

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just drink what you like, no shame in a 10$ bottle. ozv is my favorite cheap 10$ wine

however you should never get barefoot, barefoot is the worst wine in existence.

>>8911979
>>8911994
I have a question. does the type of alcohol have different effects? I remember drinking some cheap six pack of some gross stuff and felt like my blood vessels were messed up. maybe i'm losing my mind? think I have issue with clogged arteries desu

>>8912003
barefoot is literally for hobos
>>8912006
it probably doesn't matter that much, but if you have to drink more volume of something to get drunk, then your blood pressure will reflect that.

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>>8911969
I prefer smoky and or spicy reds, so I stink a lot of Malbec and Shiraz.

Penfold's makes some of my favorite wine.

>>8911994
The trapiche reserva ain't bad for the dollar. Some anon recommended La Posts Angel Paulucci in a previous wine thread. Haven't tried it yet, but homie sounded convincing.

>>8911979
Its been a while but pretty sure i paid $15 at my local liquor store in (Mississippi

>>8911969
Did it give a buzz? Did you like the taste? Keep drinking it then.

>>8912050
This. But keep an open mind. It's always fun discovering something new and interesting.

>>8911969
I you just want to get drunk it literally doesn't matter what you drink.
There are nicer wines though, but as an alcohol I could barely give a shit, but I know there is a difference.

>>8914368
>>>/tumblr/

>>8912034
>unironically liking aussie or argie wine
Ah to be 20 again

>>8914390
Shit you're right, I should go to bed.

>>8914397
But I'm 41. There's nothing wrong with Aussie or Argie wine.

>>8914631
my mom drinks a ton of this stuff. Is she cultured?

>>8914631

Had the Shiraz with a wine guy and he kinda liked it. 'A funny little wine'.

>>8914665
Pretty sure moms are the only ones who drink it

>>8914397
Malbec is great.

Also, the best sauvignon blancs are from Australia.

>>8911995
>If you enjoyed it you shouldnt worry if you're a pleb or not, keep drinking if you did and if you didn't stop.
This is right.

>All wine is the same
This is wrong in every possible way that something could ever be wrong.

>>8912041
Holy shit. High taxes or What? The most I've ever seen it for near me is 10$

>>8912006
as far as i know, all alcohol thats sold at liquor stores is the same, but depending on the drink (like Natty Ice for me) the other ingredients could make you feel ill. people with legitimate gluten allergies are only able to drink gluten free beer or another type of liquor, for example, because they would become sick from that, and it isnt alcohols fault

get the whiskey barrel aged version

The way I see it, for lower/middle class folks that enjoy wine, there's no reason not to buy <$6 stuff like Charles Shaw or Three Wishes. If it tastes like crap, then oh well, it was three bucks. If it turns out to be alright (which is surprisingly often), then fuck yeah you got some tasty wine for three bucks.

>>8914722
Aussie sauv blanc is shit. The only good aussie wine I have ever had was a grenache

>>8911969
By definition, yes. Not that you have to be ashamed:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/opinion/sunday/ignore-the-snobs-drink-the-cheap-delicious-wine.html

You can look at it as, oh, you're drinking the technology, you're drinking a wine designed by committee, by focus group, and by Big Data, with all the faults beaten out of it with the latest whizbang techniques and chemicals. This is all true.

Or you could say, hey look. 200 years ago, the poorest segment of society did not have nice things. The booze was horrible, the food, well sometimes it was great, often it was awful.

A man from 200 years ago would shit himself with joy at a McDonalds meal, or a bottle of Apothic Red, or a bag of Doritos.

What you are drinking is science's gift to you, the working man. Enjoy.

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>>8915817

>>8911969
I've heard people call it burger wine. Either 'cause uneducated americans drink it, or because a burger is the only thing that pairs well with it.
I'd still drink it if somebody gave me some.

>>8915842
>Either 'cause uneducated americans drink it, or because a burger is the only thing that pairs well with it.
Probably more the former than the latter. I like bold fruity wines sometimes. What I don't like is when they smell like cheap artificial vanilla extract.

These wines are made for people who associate strong oaky smells with "that classy wine stuff", even though it's obnoxious. Oak is fine and has an important supporting role in a lot of wines, but most cheap wines are overloaded to the point of being disgusting.

>>8911969
>am I a pleb for drinking this?
Wine?
Yeah

>>8912003
Yellowtail could beat out barefoot in a "worst fucking wine on earth" tasting

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>>8914397
>>unironically liking aussie or argie wine
u wot m8
you can find some fantastic malbecs from mendoza for 10-15 bucks a bottle
pic related is a 2010 vintage cab sauv from mendoza that's really quite great, especially for the price.

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>>8911969
>>8911979

the fuck? I bought a bottle for $20.

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>>8919088
also related, picked this up from the grocery store on my way home from work today
very smooth, soft tannins, dried plum, and dark blackberry notes, peppery finish right after corking
you're really missing out by sleeping on argie wines

>>8919088
>>8919105
>malbecs from argentina, at all
>good
Yeah, nah. Malbec is one of those weird grapes, like Sauv Blanc and Chenin Blanc, that literally no one ought to be trusted with except French people. Everyone else, I mean everyone, fucks it up and makes it gross. I don't give a shit that someone famous says it's good. Argie malbec is a very popular wine. Popular does not automatically mean good.

As for "sleeping on" I drank them regularly when I was broke and lived somewhere that had a really awful selection of wines. Trapiche, Catena, Urban Uco, Graffigna, Hormigas, Dona Paula, etc, etc, all those wines. Yeah, there are worse things. Sutter Home and whatnot. But Argie wine is EXTREMELY mediocre overall, and I don't mean mediocre compared to expensive wine, I just mean mediocre, period. In the $10-15 buck range I can find bottles I will enjoy without reservation, but they are not from Argentina.

Chile on the other hand makes some good inexpensive wine. Cabs especially, but even some pinot noir. Lapostolle is everywhere, even a shitty store may have it. The chardonnay is solid, the cab sauv is not bad, not a huge fan of the merlot although it supposedly gets good ratings. Clos des Fous makes some really tasty cab sauv, but it might be harder to find. Undurraga might be easier, good bang for buck.

There is no reason to waste money on Argie wine when Chile exists, every single vineyard in Argentina needs to be ripped up by its roots and burned. Oh except the torrontes, that stuff's ok.

>>8911969
You're a bleb for drinking any wine that costs more than 10$

>>8914753
Certified wine experts cannot tell that food coloring has been added to a white wine. All wine is the same.

Lindemans(sp?) cab is good.
Beringer is shit
Columbia crest is shit
Anything Coppola is shit
Trader Joes Chardonnay is actually decent. (Nothing else TJ is, tho)
The Velvet Devil merlot is good
Castle Rock is shit
Casa Lapostolle is good
Bandit is surprisingly good
Martini is the only cheep champagne worth drinking

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>>8911969
becker vineyards is pretty gud
My Papa, RIP, said this one was his favorite.
In fact, I just finished a bottle just now.

>>8919737
(you)

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>>8919781
dark horse is gud too

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>>8919781
Also, La Verriere
It's a costco wine. I actually haven't had this one but someone recommended it whom I trust.

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Wines are a complete waste of money beyond $30. It's so much placebo. It's better to just match the flavor profile to what you're eating than it is to drink whatever vintage your liberal arts major sommelier suggests.

>>8919737
t. crazy moonshiner

>>8919818
>entire thread is cheap wines
>some aspie comes and rants about the mean wine snobs
go back to your beer thread, you don't drink wine and have nothing of value to contribute

>>8919791
Thanks.

>>8911969
I like it, but reading its description I was under the impression it'd be way deeper of a flavor.

>>8911969
La Crema pinot noir is my all time favorite red. Inexpensive to mid range for price(~$30)

>>8920110
>La Crema
Middle aged mom: the wine

Dreaming Tree

>>8912003
>barefoot
what tastes bad about it? I thought it was just me. To me it tasted sour, some kind of red blend I got a couple weeks ago.
>>8920110
>buying 30 dollar wine
can I see the wine chiller you have in the back of your Rolls Royce?
I felt guilty for spending 13 dollars on a bottle last trip to the grocery store.

>>8921172
>a specific demographic likes it and therefore makes it bad
Sorry you deny yourself enjoyable things based on your opinion of the people who like it

>>8921199
It is pretty expensive considering you can buy decently palatable wine for 15 bucks or less, but it's nice for an occasion. Like I said, it's my favorite not my go-to.

>>8922525
Sorry you drink wine with terrible QPR because it's the first thing you saw when you walked into the store

>>8915817
While a beautiful perspective, this doesn't directly apply to Apothic Red. Remember Merlot being blackballed after Sideways? That's the origin of cheap blended red wine. All of them are 33%--70% merlot. As a merlot fag, I've had most of them between $5-$50, and the higher Merlot content, the better. I remember Apothic being ~60%, thus I love it.
To credit your point, the balance between grapes was probably a rule by committee or completely random based on supply reality.

>>8921172
I come from ranchers who drink fucking Miller Lite unironically and only came by wine for alcohol content. The only time I drank La Crema was finding myself in an upper-middle class McMansion for a Christmas party, and the highlight to the evening was the hostess getting a little out of hand.
So I think you're on to something

>>8911969
>was only 10usd.

There are quite a few better wines you could buy for $10. Apothic is way too sweet IMHO.

>>8911969
No. You're a cuck for asking though.

>>8923323
I'm not really sure why you think it doesn't apply to Apothic. Apothic is one of the poster children of that style of wine, along with Meiomi, Menage a Trois, and some others.

When Sideways came out the market was already oversaturated with merlot as merlot, hence why that "I hate merlot" line (or whatever he said, I haven't actually seen the movie) resonated. He could just as well have said I hate chardonnay, but I guess he had to pick something and anyway the ABC trend kicked in around that time too.

At the time, the kinds of people who have now become the kinds of people who drink Apothic felt that "brands" had a stigma, like something for the unsophisticated, and that varietal wines were a socially acceptable "brand", this was basically around the time when California discovered the joys of slapping the name of the dominant varietal on pretty much anything and it would sell like hotcakes even if it was only, say, 70% merlot. This btw has basically not changed, what's changed is that the sticker now says "pinot noir" even though it's the same fucking shit inside the bottle - designed by committee, and branded with the "it" varietal for that demographic (people whose interest in wine consisted of watching "sideways" and maybe reading a Marvin Shanken rag at the dentists's twice a year)

What has changed since then was that folks like Orrin Swift and Michael David and Joseph Wagner could command a cult following among cheap wine drinkers, probably in part thanks to the internet. Previously, cult winemakers were the domain of the rich.

>>8923442
>Chilean

Chile produces some fantastic wines.

>>8914397
Argentine wines are fine, and they're cheaper than your hippie faggot wine from California.

>>8924405
>hippie wine
The only thing CA is producing to compete with Argie wine is even worse than the Argie crap. Kraft Singles wine for Trader Joes tier labels. 90% mega purple and oak shavings

You don't seem to realize how many places grow grapes, are you from Texas or Wisconsin? Not sure how else to explain your inane preoccupation with California

>>8911969
I like it.
The rose was good, the inferno or whatever wasn't my thing.
But yeah, apothic not bad for the dollar

>>8911995
>All wine is the same
Cock

>>8914397

I'm pushing 50 and there are Australian wines out there to rival any in the world, bucko.

2017 still thinking wine is a Northern Hemisphere thing. Silly anon.

>>8925294
Aussie garbage isn't wine, and the only southern hemisphere wine that isn't garbage comes from Chile

Btw NZ = Australia so don't even start with that shit

>>8925305
it might be fair to say that most wines worth drinking from the southern hemisphere are not worth the additional costs associated with importation and it makes much more sense for one to buy European, but shit like
>the only southern hemisphere wine that isn't garbage comes from Chile
absolutely reeks of middlebrow signalling

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>>8925350
>signalling
Consider me redpilled, from now on I will only drink Yellow tail

>>8911969
Its a good party wine if you consider boxes to be low brow.

>>8925368
That butthurt strawmanning isn't going to convince me you aren't anything more than a middlebrow using wine as a status symbol. Anybody genuinely interested simply wouldn't write off so many interesting smaller and passionate producers simply in order to appear to have conviction.

>>8911969
I drink red moscato with sprite/7up.
Barefoot brand.
>$4

>>8911979
This.
You should never pay more than $6 for a bottle of wine.
Only retarded wine snobs, looking to masturbate an interest where they cant tell the difference between a $4 bottle and a $200 bottle, give a shit.

>>8912003
>barefoot
It's on the same level as Sutter home and the other brands in its price range.

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>>8927073
>abloo abloo why don't people like my buckets of bum wine
>must be butthurt! strawman, ad hominem! moving the goalposts!
t.buttblasted australian

for your next post you will call me a cuck

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this

>>8927095
10 - 20 is the ideal price to quality ratio

>>8927744
I enjoy the cheap cap better.
Because then I'm not drinking $2000 worth of wine a year.

>>8911969

there have been like 10 crates of that shit on display at my grocery store for months so i assume its dogshit since it isn't selling

>>8911969
Nice but where is your cat and open book?

>>8911994
Blends made of different varieties and grapes of different years and are usually consistent and safe. Vintages are from grapes of a certain year. Varietals are a certain variety of grapes. If you want to nuance yourself to desirable characteristics you can experiment with varietals and vintage. But a well aged blend can be fantastic too.

>>8911994
Specifying the varietal is an American invention anon... old world wines from the countries you listed didn't start naming the grapes they use until pretty recently, before this phenomenon wines would just list a region and the varietal or varietals of the region would be used at whatever capacity the winemaker saw fit.
TL;DR, most fine wines are blends

>>8914397
Argentinian wines are world class and cost a fraction of the price because of plebs like you, so please, continue preaching your ignorance

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>>8928779
Most of the supposedly "single varietal" wines are blends too, it's just that clappyfats think "blend = bad" and regulations are extremely lax in California
>>8928789
I'm not sure what year people are living in that they think Argie wine is some undiscovered secret. In the present day, it's correctly associated with mediocre malbecs best used for turning into sangria. Has the Berlin Wall fallen yet for you?

For your next post you will claim that all wines that aren't from Argentina cost $19,000 a bottle and that the only way to drink inexpensive wine is to drink shitty wine.

>>8914722
New Zealand has the best Sav Blanc, close though!

>>8929448
Nah cuzzy bru i thunk you're a but full of shut

>>8927976
I rarely buy wine.

>>8929448
Un Zud has great merlot especially from the marlboro region, god bliss the kiwis

>>8911969
The price of wine in america never cease to amaze me

>>8929495
It's because Americans think of wine as a luxury product and even though we're all temporarily embarrassed millionaires, knowing stuff about "luxury products" [sic] is considered pretentious. We would rather be told what to do rather than have tastes and opinions of our own. And how best to tell the consumer what to do? Put absolutely shit-tier wine in a bottle that wouldn't sell for more than 3€ and demand $10+ for it. In this way we know that it must not be bad, because it's not the cheapest! The cheapest is that one over there. I bought slightly less than the cheapest which means I'm a sensible independent-minded individualist who sees through the marketing. Nice things are a scam, I'd rather pay too much for crap because I'm no snob.

>>8929504
wow this is pretty impressing here (i'm french) we just buy wine for eating (like water) with or for being drunk except of course for big occasion like birthday or christmas where we buy the fancy stuff
also how much cost a bottle of normal french wine not too good nor too bad and how does it compare in prices to others country like italy or chile it must be something like 5€

>>8929563
Yeah here the average person just buys it for a big occasion, period. Maybe a "big night out" at Outback with hubby, where you leave the accident at home with the babysitter. There's probably a bit more interest in wine now than there was 20 years ago because the shittiest wines have gotten more palatable thanks to improvements in technology, but people usually go for gross fruit punch flavors and too much oak.

As for how much, I dunno what you consider "normal not too good or bad" and it also depends on what part of the US you're in (taxes vary, and some places where wine is less popular have higher prices), but a bottle of red E Guigal Cotes du Rhone is like $11-17, a generic entry level Faiveley Mercurey Rouge is like $25-35. An entry level Trimbach pinot gris might be $14-18. Those are common brands here, I assume they must be common there too? Or at least, people have heard of them?

Italian wine is pretty similar, although the very cheapest Italian wine is slightly cheaper than the very cheapest French, maybe $7-8 for a terrible bottle of pinot grigio or brachetto. A cheap but drinkable Sicilian red would be maybe $10, a cheap but drinkable Barbera d'Alba might be $12-18, the very cheapest Barbaresco might be $35-40.

Chile wine here costs maybe $6-10 for something like a Cono Sur (again, depending where you live). The low-end stuff from Lapostolle costs maybe $10-20.

If you like it and can afford it, who gives a shit?

>>8929594
i know of faiveley the cheapest must cost something like 20$ but we aren't picky on brand like you seems to do since we buy wine very often we just go and buy th first one to catch our eyes and we get to taste a lot of different wines since there's so many of them and if we want ome better wine who'll suit our desire of the day we go in specialised shop like Nicolas and describe what would suit us to the seller and he gives you the shit
we are more picky on liquor or really expansive wine like champagne or good bourgogne but not if we just want to drink wine you won't get picky on your "water"
to me you should just calm down about wine it's an alcohol like the others

>>8929631
You asked what stuff cost, I gave you some names that would enable a useful comparison, now you're lecturing me on being a brand whore?

I could have told you what some obscure North American varietal costs from a regional producer you wouldn't even be able to google, but I guess my mistake was assuming it was a sincere question.

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>>8911969
>Merlot blend

GSM, Rhone's style, and anything with petit verdot best

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Pick up these two bottles on my way to the gym.
A Chilean cab sauv and an Argentinian malbec.
This is the first malbec I've tried that wasn't at least 4-5 years old, so I'm curious as to how a more recent vintage tastes in comparison.
Probably going to drink the cab tonight though. My first Chilean vintage.

>>8930952
popped the cork on the cab and man, it almost reeks of oak and cat piss. look at the the back of the bottle and says aged in french and american oak for 12 months.
actual flavor is quite nice though, not overtly oaky, very deep black fruit, tobacco, topsoil.
will give it some time to breath while i make dinner.
very tastey, but that smell of oak every time i go to have a sip just smacks you in the face and not in a good way.

>>8931031
really wanted to like it, but I think the excessive oak ruined the cab for me.
going to try the malbec now
what's /ck/ drinking tonight/

>>8931215
malbec is very bright compared to some of the other older becs I've had.
more peppy dark cherry flavors than the more typical dark blackberry/dried plum flavors
almost hints of like fresh cut grass and birch bark. lower alcohol content than others becs ive had as well
better than the cab because it's not oaky as fuck

>>8931215
>what's /ck/ drinking tonight/
I've been drinking wine for 2 weeks straight and today I got beer. Ommegang Nirvana

I wonder, are you supposed to age that cab? When I see "gran reserva" I think of rioja which is already fully aged and ready to pop when it hits the market. Maybe in Chile it means something else.

>>8931365
>are you supposed to age that cab?
i have no idea.
i've never really had any really oaky wines, nor do i know how aging would alter the flavor of the wine or the oakiness
i don't know much about wine, and i don't have a cellar or anything, so i buy wine to drink now. maybe it would have been better aged a few more years because i've had some cabs that were from 5-7+ year old vintages that were quite nice, where the color seemed like it started to change to a more burnt orange than deep red/violet
for my next purchases, i'm going to try to find a bottle of penfolds shiraz, and a french syrah

>>8911969
Lopez di Haro Rioja is one of my favorite cheap wines

>>8927506
>butthurt
Bit rich coming from a Hyacinth Bucket that started screeching autistically as soon as I called you out for being middlebrow. You've done nothing but strawman, pointing to yellowtail instead of actually trying to support your statement that ALL southern hemisphere wine that isn't Chilean is garbage. Probably because it's indefensible, the sort of falsely confident, retarded statement made by a jumped-up pleb seeking approval from the cognoscenti.

>>8912006
Ethanol gets you drunk and methanol makes you feel like shit. Generally cheaper alcohols will have higher amounts of methanol than the good stuff

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>>8911969
is it considered the wine equivalent to tipping your fedora if you put ice cubes in your wine?

>>8932605
I don't know, but that sounds fucking horrible. You'd be better off just drinking it room temp.

>>8932605
I put whisky stones in my wine glass, keeps it cool and refreshing whilst not watering it down.

OMG I had her pinned down and was trying to find her cunt and was poking at her asshole instead... she said "Wrong spot." ... so I lubed up and fucked her up the ass. I mean, wtf?

What's a good, cheap wine I can use for a wine and butter sauce to go with a steak? I usually prefer reds, but white is fine.

>>8932559
>methanol
Unless you live in a shitty 3rd world country then there shouldn't be any methanol in your booze. Even then there literally shouldn't be any in your wine since it's a product of distillation

>>8932655
Any red wine you don't mine drinking

>>8932458
I am pretty sure this is the most easily offended Australian ever to have shitposted on 4chan

>>8933199
>Hyacinth Bucket
>Australian
Nope.

>>8933228
Hate to break it to you but the rest of the world considers New Zealand to be part of Australia

>>8933259
>Hyacinth Bucket
>New Zealand
Nope.

>>8933259
Sort of like how USA and Mexico are part of Canada

>>8933268
Whatever. No one cares about your regional slang, and no one cares for your ''''''''''wine'''''''''' either
>>8933276
Canada is part of the US
Mexico is part of South America

>>8933284
Until you build the wall Mexico is like a southern state of USA.

>>8933299
I'd be fine with that. Legalize narcotics, combine the US with Mexico, and make some neutral place without a pre-existing culture, like Las Vegas or Los Angeles, the capital of both countries

Also sudaca wine a shit, and this includes you, Australia

USA imports fucking heaps of Aussie wine so you can't hate it that much.

Yellowtail is the most popular imported wine in USA.

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>10$

Pic related is what i get for that much and don't tell me it's crap, it's the same shit as bottled.

>>8933305
>No pre existing culture
That was all Mexican land

>>8934594
(you)

>>8934594
Who the fuck buys wine at AutoZone?

>>8934594

>Vin de Table

LOL

>>8934659
I definitely thought that was an oil catcher

>>8919799
i love dark horse cabernet but i haven't had it in years because the last year i had, 2012 or 13, was really bad compared to earlier years.

the best dark horse i ever had was pre-california drought and it tasted like dark chocolate melted into espresso

i should probably pick some up just to see how it is now

>>8912003
>OZV
>Old Vine Zinfandel

did someone fuck this up?

>>8936070
Probably, but it's lodi zin, is anyone really going to notice?

I liked the Dominous 1994 I had the other night. See if you can find it on auction. Maybe around $400 would be a good price. Whatever you do don't drink that fuggin dog shut you're used to. Just wait until you got money to throw around and start a collection. Or better yet just inherit a cellar from your parents like me.