What's your opinion of Lab grown/animal free milk/meat/eggs

With regards to meat, as long as it tastes at least as good, and is molecularly similar (to my knowledge, lab grown beef is produced with real cow DNA), it's all fine with me.

For the milk... I have similar requirements for molecular similarity. I don't want to drink milk that is free of lactose.

>>8732415
I definitely would eat lab grown meat. If the growing process just saves half of the resources needed for real meat it would solve so many problems.

>>8732431
This desu, although what I really hope is that lab grown meat will take us from this trap of being obsessed with only beef/pork/chicken to having ethical versions of a wide variety of meats so we can actually increase the diversity of our food again.

Give me lab grown tiger and whale meat.

You just know they'll sell it for hippie hipster homo prices.

>>8732431
Im assuming it would be cheaper also, which is a plus

Being lactose intolerent, it would be nice to swig a glass of white / chocolate milk like I use to when i was a child =(

>>8732415
im sick and fucking tired of authoritarians telling me what i can nd can not do, there is nothing wrong with consuming animal products
This is really about globalism because you cant have one nation and one standar of life if you have to provide 9 billion people with animal products
i will never accept this, i will never support this

>>8732461
I've tried whale meat once - it's not that tasty. I suppose the japanese obsession with it has to do with the 'rest of the world, don't tell us what to do' attitude.

>>8732431
>With regards to meat, as long as it tastes at least as good, and is molecularly similar
it wont, it will get halfway and then marketing will handle the rest
soy beef, its just as good as real beef and if someone tells you it isnt he is an inbred uneducated fuck and you should beat him up

I'd use it given I don't have to compromise on taste, nutrition or cost. Vegans get ripped off for their shitty specialised food already so I can see the same happening with that stuff.

As a meat eater, I'm excited.

>>8732468
is this bad bait or...?

>>8732502
I guess it's just Alex Jones style rambling. We all know very well that 9 billion people can't be fed with animal products if they are produced with todays methods.

>>8732415

I'm not sure it's worth it compared to just making better vegetable/microbial/fungal sourced protein. I doubt lab shit based on animal cells will ever be as energy efficient and cheap as them, or even as cheap as just using proper animals.

One thing vegan food really lacks at the moment is a cheap flavour neutral protein source. The Quorn mycoprotein might fit the bill, but it's not independently available.

>>8732542
Real meat is by no means energy or resource efficient. Meat is so cheap in the western world because it's heavily subsidized.
IIRC the biggest benefit of lab grown meat would be that you need less resources, especially water, for the production.

>>8732551
> Meat is so cheap in the western world because it's heavily subsidized.
Inb4 reeeee reeeee he knows things so he must be a vegan

Followed by a ban and all your posts get wiped

>>8732502
>>8732525
>everyone laugh at anon he thinks the us is building a super computer to keep track of your internet history
>everyone laugh at anon, he thinks the eu is building a secret army
who is laughing now morons? we are living in the age of crazy conspiracys

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Vegan here.

You can never diminish the suffering that the original cow who was sampled to provide the initial cellular structure went through, therefore I can no more support this than I can any other portion of the meat industry.

Case dismissed.

If it doesn't need to be cooked, that's pretty neat. Maybe I will finally try blue-rare steak.

>>8732566
He rambles about 100 conspiracy theories per week. Not being totally wrong on one of them doesn't make him less crazy.

>everyone laugh at anon, he thinks the eu is building a secret army

The EU being able to do something in secret...

>>8732415
these dicks need to start making synthetic leather.

>>8732605
You don't think food is maybe a little more important?

>>8732589
>times you laughed at me
2
>times i was right
2
are you one of those cia desinformation officers?
are you keping track of my internet use?

>1 liter (750 ml)
What the fuck is this shit? Do they have any idea what a litre is? God damn retarded vegans

>>8732611
No. There's already other things to eat, but as a material, leather is unique and unsurpassed for certain applications

>>8732615
Those are American mL you stupid shitskin

>>8732629

It's cheaply available as a byproduct of the beef industry, there is no reason to spend a ton of money R&D'ing a replacement. If we needed one we would make one, we don't.

Society would not come to a halt because we lacked leather.

>>8732613
What would anybody do with your Internet history? Why would anyone care?

>>8732656
We don't need meat either, buddy. I'm saying I want cute, cruelty free boots. These are a necessity

>>8732613
Alex, is this you? Did you take your meds today?

>>8732567
going by that logic you shouldn't eat any vegetables since they were grown using animal fertilizers

>>8732415
Waste of time and money, but would eat if convenient

>>8732668
What is animal fertilizer?

>>8732633
Nice trolling, but we all know Americans can't into metric units.

>>8732676
Manure?

>>8732680
think nitrogen fertilizer is the most common one

>>8732476
Soy beef? Enjoy your estrogen homo

>>8732688
Is the estrogen homo complementary, or will that cost extra?

>>8732415
>1 Liter (750ml)

FUCKING COMMIEFORNIA
WHY IS THIS ALLOWED

>>8732713
I don't think thats an actual label

>>8732467
Why not take a lactaid?

am vegan not because "omg poor animals :(", it's because meat and dairy products are terrible for you, I wouldn't eat this shit even if it was "harm-free" or whatever bullshit label they slap on it

>>8732415
>What's your opinion of Lab grown/animal free milk/meat/eggs

Well, I haven't tried it and I have no idea what it will cost so I can't form a solid opinion on it.

That said, I'm guessing it will be dreadfully expensive when it first comes out on the market. I don't have any safety concerns about it, but I do have quality concerns.

Tools like lab-grown meat or GMOs have the potential to make very high quality ingredients. But like we've seen with GMOs the focus (empirically) has been on making things cheaper, higher yield, etc. I would rather them focus on making the product taste better, have a better texture, etc. However I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. There's more money to be had with "cheaper" than there is with "better".

>>8732415
cow free milk isn't more vegan than cow milk, people refuse to drink it because it 'exploit" the creature, so they'll say the same about the bacterias or fungus they'll use for that shit.

>>8732727

Most GMOs are so crops are resistant to RoundUp™ herbicide so they can spray the shit out of them with this chemical which you eat and/or certainly fed to the animals you eat.

>>8732733

1) yes, that was my point. the focus is on yield and cost reduction rather than quality.

2) you seem to be afraid of roundup. why? it's less toxic than table salt is to humans. While I agree that old-fashioned methods and crop rotation is a better method of farming (and I will gladly pay its higher prices), roundup is a far better alternative than the multiple and more toxic pesticides that it replaces in conventional agriculture.

>>8732725
same

>>8732725
Why is dairy terrible for you? The FAQ for this thing claims it's free of cholesterol.

>>8732729
vegans are stupid but you're dumber than them if you think this

>>8732749

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/dairy/downloads/dairy_monitoring/BTSCC_2013infosheet.pdf

http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/77/2/504.long

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3357167/#__ffn_sectitle

http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1002/ijc.29466?r3_referer=wol&tracking_action=preview_click&show_checkout=1&purchase_referrer=onlinelibrary.wiley.com&purchase_site_license=LICENSE_DENIED_NO_CUSTOMER

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.573.4684&rep=rep1&type=pdf

http://drjaygordon.com/health-concerns/dairy-2.html


If this takes less energy/water to produce than cow's milk then I'm all for it, but I'm not gonna eat it myself.

>>8732752
there's 0 other reasons to not drink milk and milk products than "muh cow rape".
there's no lactose in cheese and most dairy products. If milk give you gas, there are other milk, or even lactose free milk available.
but whatever,you will do a backflip to something else no matter what, it's all about the attention of not doing something "normal people" do.

>>8732744


Roundup is a herbicide not a pesticide so they may still use other chemicals to control bugs, some GMOs like cotton and corn contain a pesticide within them, the soybeans do not.

Found this, from just 2 days ago
http://time.com/4711846/roundup-weed-killer-cancer/

I've been saying this shit causes cancer for years and so have a whole hell of a lot of other people, but been called a 'conspiracy theorist' or whatever.

Also, this doesn't even touch on the fact that these GMO seeds are patented by Monsanto - farmers have the pay for the patent and cannot store and re-plant their own seeds, they must purchase every year or monsanto sues the shit out of them for breaking the patent license agreement.

>>8732744
Not him but I don't buy GMO foods, roundup and Monsanto are bad because they screw over farmers
They've sued people because pollen from their GMO crops was put on another person's crops by some random bee or the wind
Besides, by eating foods free of pesticides and herbicides you lessen your impact on the environment because runoff from the farms won't kill everything that it touches

>>8732777
None of this seems particularly relevant, or even conclusive. The only dairy-like thing in this "milk" is synthetic casein. There's no hormones or anything.

>>8732792

'cow rape' never even crosses my mind; milk is the fluid of a mammal that just gave birth, its filled with hormones and all the nutrients needed to turn a calf into a 400 pound mammal

Not really about seeking attention buddy, I just don't believe dairy is healthy. I have no idea about this lab milk, but some milk made in a lab without a cow involved kinda grosses me out even more. If the lab milk requires less energy and water to produce than cow's milk I'm for it although I wouldn't consume it myself.

>>8732807
>Roundup is a herbicide not a pesticide
Herbicides are a subset of pesticides, anon.

Your article doesn't say anything about roundup actually causing anything, it just says that more studies would be nice. And that I agree with 100%.

>>I've been saying this shit causes cancer for years
Are you an oncologist? A researcher in the field? If not, why do you have any credibility?

>>Also, this doesn't even touch on the fact that these GMO seeds are patented by Monsanto
Yes. That's a massive legal problem. The gov't is at fault for that bullshit, not Monsanto.

>>8732866

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4166373/

>>8732725
Life is bad for you. May as well opt out now, faggot, it's only downhill from here.

>>8732870

They ghost wrote studies themselves

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/03/15/520250505/emails-reveal-monsantos-tactics-to-defend-glyphosate-against-cancer-fears

https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/iarcnews/pdf/MonographVolume112.pdf

>Are you an oncologist? A researcher in the field? If not, why do you have any credibility?

Nope, I'm not, just have a healthy distrust of spraying chemicals all over the foods I eat.

If you think glyphosate is safe that's cool; personally, I don't trust monsanto enough to believe its totally safe

>>8732684
Does not mean manure is not use and think about all those leather seats in the trucks used to carry your food.

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>liberal hipsters don't even know how much liquid is in 1 liter

>>8732415
>animal free milk
So it's just soy/almond milk?

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>>8733240
Nut water isn't real milk.

>>8732746
>>8732725
Literally the worst of both worlds

Also pro tip: you aren't a vegan

>>8732467
Fairlife milk

>>8732415
Texture, taste, price, and nutrition are all the same or better than the real stuff I'll eat/drink it.

>>8732605
They're working on it.

https://qz.com/901643/would-you-wear-a-leather-jacket-grown-in-a-lab/

>>8733540
i doubt theyll ever get the texture right

>>8732662
Try to sell me gay porn?
Try to keep track of how well their propaganda works?
Just keeping an eye in case someone knows too much?

>>8732415
Lab grown meat/dairy can't come soon enough considering how much those industries are fucking up the climate. It's too bad a lot of idiots will reject it out of hand.

They're fine, but if vegans think this is the end of animal products they're sorely mistaken. Humans are not rational creatures, and MUH NATURRRRR MUH NATURAL WAY MUH NATURAL PASTURES MUH NATURAL SLAUGHTER will win out over the sustainable lab grown solution. You have fucks like Anthony Bourdain already speaking out against lab grown meat. Expect more of that in spades as this shit is pushed onto the buying public. You can't even get these fucks to accept GMOs, much less lab meat.

They will create a high end market for "real meat" where "specialty ranches" will raise "heritage animals" in a "sustainable manner" and actual meat will become a hipster food that the rich indulge in while the poor are forced to eat microbial byproducts due to simple economics.

You all pretend it won't happen; it will. Say goodbye to your $3.99 ribeyes forever. Once morals win out over factory farming, it will ALL be lab grown OR muh heritage breeds and you won't have a choice in the matter. Either buy fake or shell out shekels, bitch. And retarded middle class agents will shell out shekels, either because MUH NATURRR or they are legitimately deluded enough to think "the real thing" is healthier.

>>8732415
That's great, but unless it has the exact same chemistry as regular milk I'll probably never use it.

I really don't feel like modifying my recipes to accommodate the deficiencies of fake milk.

>>8732415
Means more Meat Sashimi and Meat Sushi in the future if they actually get it right.

>>8735867
I'm actually ok with this. Methane from domesticated animals like cows are a big contributor to the greenhouse effect(20 percent of methane in the atmosphere comes from domesticated animals and methane is 20 times more potent than C02)
Not to mention most of the food grown in the US are actually used for cattle feed, and there are many regions that are destroying their ancient rainforests to grow more corn for beef. And it's not like animal meat isn't going to be expensive in the future even if we don't get into lab grown meats. There are approximately more than 4 billion Asians in the Subcontinent, East Asia and SE and most of them don't each meat regurlarly or at all. Once they start westernising their diets as their living standards increases, expect to see beef prices to skyrocket . Meat is going to get very expensive as a result of supply/demand. We need lab grown meat if we want to feed the 11 billion plus people of the future.

>>8735867
Also, Hopefully this trend would increase the quality of animal sourced meats. The average westerner should still be able to afford high tier meats. Id imagine than in the future, people will only eat real meat on special occasions like Christmas.

>>8732474
>japan, please reproduce, you're a productive society that shouldn't vanish from the planet
>fuck-u u western pig dog

>>8735867
If you ever watched Top Gear they described how this situation would play out with respect to hybrid vehicles and electric cars. They came to the conclusion that electric cars are the future and that at some point we'll all be driving them, but it's not a super bad thing with respect to fun sports cars. They used the example of horses, that is before the automobile was common horses were seen as much more of a tool and as such they were treated like shit/not appreciated. After the advent of the car you could just keep your horse in the barn and take it out for fun, reminded of your past, grateful for the advancements of the modern age but never forgetting where your people came from. In much the same way, they said, the car would be relegated to the garage where hobbyists would lovingly detail them and take them out on special occasions.

I think your argument is similar to this and as such I don't really think it's a bad thing. The planet as a whole gets cheap protein that may or may not be easier on the environment to produce, and people who really care about cooking and eating maintain farms that care about quality first.

I mean does anyone really benefit from shit-quality meat? The unwashed masses are going to eat whatever is cheapest anyway.

>>8737052
>The planet as a whole gets cheap protein
We've already got more cheap protein than we could ever want. The problem is (outside of cultures where vegetarianism is common) people don't understand how to eat that protein. They try to make black bean burgers and dumb shit like that, ending up with like 15% of their actual protein needs, because they treat plant protein as a 1:1 replacement for animal protein in recipes that were built off a totally different ingredient. Then they end up feeling sick and tired after like a month of eating what, nutritionally, is basically no better than twinkies. And then they go on the internet and run their mouths off about how if we cut back from 3 heaps of meat every day everyone is going to grow moobs and have the physique of Dhalsim from Street Fighter, and then we have internet arguments about whether lab grown meat will fix the planet's dietary needs despite being completely unnecessary except for cultural baggage.

We don't even need to eliminate livestock raised for meat purposes, it could be scaled back to a point where it caters to people who occasionally want something different, like the way "exotic" meats like rabbit or duck work today. But that's far too radical and I'm sure a bunch of edgelords will now jump down my throat and say I'm a nu-male cuck.

>>8732468
Strap that tinfoil hat on tighter anon. I think it almost let some blood into your brain for a second there.

>>8732468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

>>8737083
>black bean burger
>no better than Twinkies

Why do vegans lie?

Depends on how much environmental waste it creates. It may be less efficient than simply allowing an animal to grow to maturity and butchering it.

>>8737052
>>8737010
>>8736997
It's not a bad thing, but it will increase social stratification in the world.

Meat will become a status symbol as it was in centuries of yore, and this will lead to conflicts in society as interest groups adjust to people's politicizing. A chicken in every pot will become viable political slogan again, and populists will exploit this and exploit the poor who are forced to eat wheat proteins every day.

You have no way of stopping this. In fact, it's the future you choose. Prepare for it.