Not trying to shit on anyone's dietary choices, this is an honest inquiry.
Clams and mussels have no central nervous system; they're about as likely to feel pain as a head of lettuce. Commercial varieties are are plentiful, nowhere near endangered, and do not produce harmful greenhouse gases that livestock farming does. They filter feed water, which means that no grain or food otherwise consumable by humans was used to obtain them.
I can understand people simply not liking the taste, but that's besides the fact.
What exactly keeps clams and oysters from being considered vegan? The fact that they're composed of animal cells?
The fact that they're fucking animals. Like Sponges, Sea Cucumbers, Sea Stars, Krill and many other animals. I'm not even vegan and I love eating clams. Just check the biological definition of animal life compared to plant life.
Not all vegans think like this though. My ex gf thought it was okay for vegetarians to eat animals without a brain and cns. Vegetarians/Vegans are not one hivemind.
desu I think bivalves should be reconsidered by vegetarians/vegans - whether you are doing that diet for environmental or cruelty reasons, they still hold up as being "okay" to eat: as you say, no brain means they cannot feel pain; and for the environmental aspect they also cannot feel the harm of being aggressively farmed in tight spaces - hence environmentally sustainable
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and though I've never tried them I agree with you. I've been thinking about maybe trying scallops and oysters if I ever go to a place known for them.
Most of us don't eat them because they're clearly animals but none of the logical arguments against eating animals really apply to them. If anyone gave it any thought they would agree with you. But at the same time look at the amount of meat eaters who don't like them, I can't see this becoming a vegetarian/vegan staple.
Steamed clams, mussels au Pernod, and raw oysters are 3 of my top ten favorite foods. As a matter of fact, there's a fantastic seafood restaurant near me that I go to for my birthday every year, and eat all three of those. I gorge on bivalves and champagne.
That's all I wanted to say, I'm an omnivore, so I don't have a dog in this fight, other than clams, mussels, and oysters are beyond delicious, and people should eat more of them. Oysters in particular are actually quite healthy for you, since they are loaded with essential minerals like zinc. (This does not include fried varieties, which I think is a complete waste of good bivalves.) Also, I love scallops too, but don't eat them as often.
Plants initiate a series of chemical messenger pathways in response to insult.
Every living thing responds to physical injury, though not all sense pain in the same way vertebrates and some invertebrates like mollusks do.
I consider myself vegan and I agree with your arguments and eat clams, mussels and oysters from time to time.
But yeah, people like to get hung on definitions; if I had a dollar for every "well, if you eat them, then you're not vegan" argument I'd gotten into as a result, I'd have a couple of dollars.
I first read read your post as "well, if you eat ham, then you're not vegan" and got curious as to where the rest was going
You need to understand that vegetarianism isn't about not killing animals. It's about telling other people that you don't kill animals. Being a vegetarian is a social status marker. To a vegetarian, all non-vegetarians are fat, barbaric slobs.