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>>8343399
>tfw I just found some old carrots outside
>they're all black and shit
>tfw I can sell this for maximum profit because they cost me nothing
>tfw food snobs defend this.

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>>8343390
>tfw some branches fell down because it was windy
>tfw I go pick them up and tie them to some asparagus I stole from my neighbors garden
>tfw I just grill the whole fucking thing
>tfw my signature dish is an asparagus tied to a branch

>>8343390
That guy is considered to be one of the best chefs in the world. You do understand that at a certain level the concept counts as much as the food. Like with Ferran Adria or even Dan Barber. Their food is not only great but it resets your expectations about what dining out is supposed to be. If you don't dine out often you might not appreciate that. Because you don't have a context for it. And context is everything at this level of dining.

Think about it like this: John Coltrane didn't play pretty music all that much. Some of his stuff was downright difficult to listen to. But in context his music was a breakthrough in the jazz form. Someone not familiar with that form might not "get it" at all. Picasso didn't paint pretty pictures. Some of his work is difficult as well. But in context you can see what a genius he was. Noma is kind of like that for fine dining.

>>8343434
No you're just a fag. Nice trips though.

>>8343434

Picasso was a hack. He didn't paint 'pretty' pictures because wasn't able to.

go back to your McChicken threads you dumbass losers

>>8343465
I think you simply don't value the creative process. Anyone can learn French technique, classic recipes and with a little work and access to good ingredients can turn out amazingly delicious food. Anyone can learn Italian grandma cooking and do pretty much the same, again if they have access to good ingredients. But that's not what this guy is doing. His thought process really kinda is like >>8343402 and >>8343416 which is a crazy starting point for a high end restaurant. Being able to make delicious food from that approach requires not just skill, but inspiration - on top of being a chef the guy the guy is being an artist. And for most people getting too much of an artistic approach in the kitchen does not benefit the food. This guy can totally think like an artist and turn out great food.

Not all that many people like that out there.

>>8343478
>because wasn't able to.
In fact his early works are really 'classic', he was a good painter, but he decide to go against the mainstream and the classical techniques

>>8343541
Not everyone can successfully market overpriced twigs tied to food to pretentious rich people. I agree, it's genius.

>>8343561
This. His work started out classical, then changed as he played around with different modern conceptual ideas. Then he took it further in works like Guernica where he uses concept derived style to make a powerful comment on the horrors of the events of his time, and by extension war in general. Thaty puts him way beyond any "concept for its own sake" kind of artist.

Today some high end chefs work with philosophies and concepts they way 20th Century painters did. And the best of them are turning out work that's just as revolutionary.

>>8343572
>Dismisses something he doesn't "get" as valueless and pretentious because he doesn't want to acknowledge conceptual works.
I bet you think travel and reading fiction are also pretentious. And drinking wine is for girls.

If you want to see the power of marketing just look at the soda bottles and fast food wrappers in your garbage can.

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>naming your restaurant "noma"

well that was stupid

>>8343627
> I bet you think travel and reading fiction are also pretentious. And drinking wine is for girls.

All your random scribble paintings and twigs tied to food you pretend to enjoy certainly are.
And I don't drink soda or eat fast food except Chinese like once a year. That wouldn't make you any less of a pretentious hipster though.

>>8343390
I private chef on the side for these people in my town.

It is highway robbery.

>>8343671

What makes you think people enjoy this sort of food out of pretense rather than the fact it honestly looks and tastes good? Clearly, if the food didn't taste good he'd instantly be labeled a hack and the business would crash and burn.

Honest question.

>>8343689
>rather than the fact it honestly looks and tastes good?

Because it doesn't.

> Clearly, if the food didn't taste good he'd instantly be labeled a hack and the business would crash and burn.

Clearly not.
It's simply marketing your name, overpricing what you sell, and telling people they're too stupid to understand if they think it's shit. Then rich people buy it and can feel smug that they "know" the deliciousness of twigs tied to food.

Lol :3

>>8343390
The Emperors new cuisine.

>>8343390
Noma has some creative dishes that are definitely original, but the crazy prices are what annoys me. Same concept as an artist throwing together a painting in five minutes and selling it for ten thousand bucks. Is it worth paying loads of money solely to partake in someones creative mind?

>>8343717
>Because it doesn't.

You've eaten there?

>>It's simply marketing your name...
While I understand that such a thing could be theoretically possible, why do you think that's what's happening in this case? Do you honestly think the food doesn't taste very good and that there's some big conspiracy to pay off reviewers & whatnot?

The restaurant business is hard. People try things, and fail, to an absurd degree.

>>8343742
The high end restaurant business is entertaining. It's no different than dropping a bunch of money to fly to some exotic locale, or spending big money on tickets on a concert, broadway show, or tickets to the super bowl.

>>8343671
>pretentious hipster
I get it if fine dining isn't your thing. Most of us can't afford it very often, if at all. That doesn't change the fact that it exists, and at some times in some places someone basically turns the idea of what it can be upside down. 2003 Copenhagen it was Noma, 2005 NYC it was Monofuku, that same year in Chicago it was Alinea. I totally get it if expensive concept driven places aren't your jam. But this shit is news from a decade ago, back when people still used the word "hipster". Like it or not these places have been influential.
>>8343731
I'd argue that's more places like the 21 Club or Cipriani restaurants - where the food is very much secondary to the fact that it's the right place for the rich to be and be seen.
>>8343742
>Is it worth paying loads of money solely to partake in someones creative mind?
This is why art, fine dining, theater and top tier live music are expensive. Because for someone to execute the highest level of creativity they have to devote their lives to it. It is their day job. They have to spend all the time everybody else spends at work not just doing their thing, but coming up with ideas about how to do it in a way no one else has yet. Without a steep cost of entry they wouldn't be able to fund what they do.

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They've actually changed the concept at Noma quite a bit and remodeled the restaurant (pic related). The courses are deconstructed and left in their natural habitat. This puts the task of foraging on the guests and really makes you think about what goes into each dish. It was really a spectacular experience.

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>>8343891
>The courses are deconstructed
genius artists

>>8343764
> Do you honestly think the food doesn't taste very good and that there's some big conspiracy to pay off reviewers & whatnot?

It's a social thing. Being the one to say the emperor has no clothes might not be the best way to fit in with your peers.

>>8344126
There is a social thing to it, but I think you're overestimating it. Think about Dominique Ansel's cronut.It was the food craze of the season a while back, with lines around the block to get one. And yes, people lined up because they wanted to be part of that craze. But that doesn't change the fact that a cronut, while perhaps a little silly is also absolutely fucking delicious. Non-delicious food trends don't come from chefs. They come from health crazes.

>>8343788
>But this shit is news from a decade ago, back when people still used the word "hipster".
A decade ago they rarely used hipster, now they use it more since that attitude and culture has replaced emo as the go-to alternative culture.

>>8344305
Are you kidding? Back in 2003 when everyone in Williamsburg was dressing like the Strokes what did they call them? Hipsters. Today it's a term suburban and rural kids use to describe anything from the city they think looks funny.

>>8344317
Hipsters existing before doesn't change that their garbage gained more popularity around 2012-2015.

>>8344488
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I have no problem with city kids with a little extra money in their pockets supporting creative people who do slightly kooky shit. Where the fuck else is the interesting stuff going to come from?

>>8344126
Actually there's a lot to this. But in addition to not wanting to be the first to say it's overpriced shit, is not wanting to admit you've really got taken by an overpriced image centered con. It's self fulfilling.

>It's expensive and all my rich friends go there, it must be great. This tastes like a reindeer shit in a pine needle bough. But it's pretty and there are 3 incredibly rare wild berries sprinkled on top, so I guess I'm in heaven. Why am I hungrier than shit when I just paid $1500 for dinner?

>>8344530
New interesting shit comes from people trying new things and refining it into something at least half-decent before presenting it to people. Not people whipping up some random retarded shit and saying you have to appreciate it even if it can be confused for the contents of your trash.

who /Ostoriafrancescana/ here. Renzepi got cucked by the Italian Stallion Massimo

Rene's food looks outstanding, and his form is top notch. but his food lacks soul. Id say Adria had this problem too. but at least some of his stuff was traditional tapas inspired. Im sure Denmark has an outstanding food culture. but other chefs are picking up his ideas and running with it in a way thats far more personal. Massimo deserves that top spot. his food is literal Italian futurism.

>>8344731
>new shit
>creative because I'm bored, but muh, an "artiste." I'm like Dahli's theory of the cannabalism of the aesthetic
>nouveau riche. Don't know shit about food, but like image. Trophy wife said this is the place.
>hmm, reindeer shit on a stick of wild pine boughs with a sprinkling of 3 berries.
>$1500 sounds about right.

>>8344731
>New interesting shit comes from people trying new things and refining it into something at least half-decent before presenting it to people.
I would think the chef of what was considered the world's best restaurant for a number of years qualifies as that.
>Not people whipping up some random retarded shit and saying you have to appreciate it even if it can be confused for the contents of your trash.
This sounds more like sour grapes than a legit criticism to me. It sounds like: "People pay absurd amounts of money for something they claim is amazing but looks silly to me. I can't accept the idea that I'll never be able to afford it to see for myself so I have to cut it down as some kind of con for rich people".

And you're welcome to hold that opinion. Just be aware it sounds defensive. Like someone who has never tasted good Russian caviar claiming all fish eggs are disgusting. Or someone who has never had a good bottle of wine going on about how wine is a massive scam. Like I said it's a kind of sour grapes. It sounds like a resentment that good things exist that aren't available to you And that's just not a legit way to criticize something.

>>8344940
Whatever man, enjoy your pine branches.

>>8344947
Fuck no, man. I live in NYC. That shit is already dated. Like you can get it at Grand Central Terminal kind of dated.

>>8344965
I have a whole bunch outside my window if you guys are ever running low.

Noma is a not a restaurant for getting great food. It's a place to go for an experience.

Prove me wrong.

/end of thread

>>8343669
jesus fucking christ...that's a pretty earring

>>8344999

If I want an experience I'll go down to the fucking bowling alley with some liquor hidden in my shirt. Save myself the money and pretentiousness.

>>8344947
And the reindeer shit with 3 berries for $1500. If that's the height of "where it's at," then it's pretty easy to see why most aren't there. It takes a special kind of stupid to get conned like that.

>>8344979
We're already on to the next things. That's part of why it's not just a matter of having an interesting idea, but having it at the right moment. Restaurants aren't like paintings or recording. There are no Van Gogh or Jeff Buckley level chefs. You either get it right at the right moment or no one remembers you.

>>8345022
it really is, do you think its a real ruby?

>>8345028
>I will never be able to afford something so it must be a con.

>>8345026
And that's why your a white trash simpleton who will never have an opinion worth anything

>>8344999
>the barrio is not a place for great food. It's a place to go for the experience.

In point if fact, the barrio is a place to go for food, which is much more relevant than sniffing a reindeer's ass sprinkled with pine bough smoked lingonberries harvested by indigenous nordic inuits off the coast of icelandia.

Grow up. What part of the customer base haven't you realized is driven by a trophy wife, nouveau riche based "whose here? Oh, there's Smork Flipfuck from that reality show. I told you this was the place!"

Artist? Give me a fuckng break you wannabee celebrity chef.

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>>8343434
> recurring trips
That really fined my dining.

>>8345081
why do they have napkins on their heads?

>>8344852
I like how quality posts like this go completely over the heads of /ck/.

Fucking swine.

While there is certainly a lot to critisize about "high end" stuff like noma, all I read here so far boils down to
>I can't afford it, so it must be shit
>It contains pine needles, so it must be shit
>trophy wives
Grow up you fucktards.

>>8345180
> he doesn't dine with a napkin on his head
pleb.

>>8345328
this is a better comment on this thread than
>>8345300
this bullshit. why not just revive the tradition of the edible doormouse? at least that won't kill off a species.

>>8345328
All I read in this post:

>I assume anyone that criticizes "highend" dining is poor and could never afford it based on no evidence whatsoever.
>trophy wives don't dictate image building methods for their husbands
>2 bites of pine needles sprinkled with reindeer urine and turds, coupled with a rare, 3 lingonberry reduction of whale sperm priced at $1500, counts as art equivalent to Picasso or Charlie Parker.

You unutterable idiot. You have to be a cook somewhere.

>>8345300
4chan is 5% some of the most intense good discussion. 95% retards eating chili out of a can jerking it to MAGA anime.

Ck should rise above. people need to stop acting like analyzing, and discussing art or philosophy is pretentious. your shitty hotdogs are not worth the time to talk about. make some good food to start. then start expanding. Ive been seeing more and more top class chef discussion lately.

Id like to explore more about the impact of some of these chefs. Rene has gotten the world into foraging which is respectable. Dan barber for all his good intentions cant influence people enough to change their ways. Whatever keeps people away from "Tasty Gifs" and involves them into real cooking, and real creativity.

>>8345447
>Ck should rise above
nope. the point of this place is that we have people who think not eating tater tots is pretentious posting side by side with some folks who live in major cities and eat out at great restaurants, along with a few serious home cooks among the sea of college students and neets trying to figure it out. because their family lives didn't equip them for the situations in which they find themselves. At the end of the day everything beyond the fast food threads is at least a little useful to some people. Which is good for 4chan.

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>>8343478
Picasso was more than able to paint realistically, he just chose not to most of the time

>>8345180
to hid from god
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ortolan_bunting

>>8345447
>Rene has gotten the world into foraging which is respectable.
Michel Bras done it 20 years earlier

>>8345575
Euell Gibbons got people involved in foraging back in the 60's and 70's, you idiots. I forage. But I'm also the anon that posted the ridicule of your bowing to a con man profiteering off of the nouveau riche and then placed on the level of Joyce, Picasso or Charlie Parker as "artiste du cuisine."

What nauseating presumption. Go fry up some rabbit bacon and sprinkle it with rotten quail eggs the mother abandoned, you sorry ass fry cooks.

>>8345773
Wow, that's some impressive butthurt

Blue Hill and Noma have caused me to rethink my cooking and my approach to meal selection
Sometimes ideas need a revival, and if nouveau rich profiteering is the driving force, so be it

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>tfw rich as fuck now
>tfw getting bored
>tfw cucks say I'm redefining cooking
>tfw go to the zoo, see monkeys eat ants on a stick
>idea.png.jpg
>tfw gonna charge $30 for this

>>8345825
Only $30'?

Black Friday was last week, my nigga!

>>8345447
>Dan barber for all his good intentions cant influence people enough to change their ways.
Maybe, maybe not. This is pretty outrageous copy from Eater: http://www.eater.com/best-american-restaurants-review/2016/12/5/13834320/best-restaurant-in-america-blue-hill-stone-barns-dan-barber
>>8345825
Like it or not novelty counts. It's barely weirder than BK chicken fries or a Taco Bell quesarito. This shit happens at every level.

Bet you fuckers think that putting any other cheese than kraft on burgers is the height of innovation.

>>8346912
Needs twigs and rocks

>>8344488
Shoo underage b&

>>8346955
In my twenties.

different types of restaurants derive their value from different things. at a diner you are paying for food that is hot, fresh, traditional and generous. when you go to noma you paying for food that is unusual, scarce and has lots of variety. assuming you have the money i think most people can learn to enjoy both.

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>>8343891

I don't get why everybody is saying it's expensive as shit, it really isn't
,I checked once and we could get a full course meal for around 150 bucks each.
Granted, your average student can't afford it but if you really like this stuff it really isn't outta this world

Getting a table within a reasonable amount of time, that's another problem

>>8346912
sometimes i put white cheese on my burgers

>>8343742
how much is it for a meal for two??

I just looked this shit up and the tasting menu plus wine pairing really isn't that ridiculously priced as a one off I would definitely give it a go.

>>8347010
Or you could just go forage your own pine trees, rocks, and ants.

>>8343434
I don't think it's really fair to compare food to art. There is definitely a creative element to food, but its primary purpose is to nourish. Art is not functional, it is wholly creative. I understand where OP is coming from with the apparent resentment of the chef who is bastardizing the base purpose of food. It is just a completely different thing, though, it is meant more to be entertaining ("creative") than nourishing. I think it's kind of silly but to each their own. It seems like we are reaching a point where everything of perceived value has to be entertaining or engaging and I am wondering if that is the direction more fine dining will take, or it is just an elitist trend.

>>8347041

>it is meant more to be entertaining ("creative") than nourishing.

i doubt that's unheard of in restaurants but i think most fine dining places know you can't get away with leaving diners hungry. i think if you put all the ingredients that go into a tasting menu in one basket it would look like a pretty fucking huge meal by most people's standards.

in fact as i have the fat duck cookbook i might delve into it and do the math.

>>8347053
What I mean to say is that there is a balance between entertainment value received from a meal and the nourishment received, and the balance is tilted toward the entertainment side in this case. There is nothing inherently wrong with that of course but I think it can turn people off, like OP

>>8343891
This really made me think

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Yeah it's pretentious and expensive but you'll never forge the experience

>>8347114
>forge
typo - I meant forget

>>8347114
i'll never forget 9/11 but that doesn't mean i want it to happen again

>>8347130
$150
You'll never forget the experience.

>>8347041
>I don't think it's really fair to compare food to art.
Comparing food to art doesn't make so much sense when it comes to home cooking. But restaurants are not just food. They're entertainment. Even at the low end. The Big Mac attempts to wow you with it salty, greasy blast of two cheeseburgers, special sauce and unique architecture. It's purpose is not nourishment, but indulgence and novelty, because it tastes unilike something you could even make in a home kitchen. That's some modernist shit right there. And the fries that come with it are another luxury few would bother to make at home. One could make the case that a Bic Mac with fries and a coke are as much a piece of pop art as as a '57 Chevy, a Fender Stratocaster, a Rock-Ola jukebox or a poodle skirt. These things all served utilitarian purposes as well, but they were imbued with a style representative of the aesthetics and aspirations of the people who created them. They became iconic for their style as much as how well the fulfilled their purposes. They were not just a meal, a car, a guitar, a music system or a garment. They were pop art symbols representing specific visions of modernity that were exciting to people at the time. And over time became classics of a sort.

When you get to the high end of restaurant food the aesthetics get more extreme. Because it's harder to impress people who dine out often and are used to the food always being good. You have to take it over the top to make these people go "oooh, ah!". It becomes a bit of theater. It becomes a kind of art.

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>>8343891

How much did it cost?

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Beef tartare with ants

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Fennel main battle tanks

>>8343390

>>tfw I sell this to them at 500% markup

Probably closer to 100000% markup, but then that's true for most high price dining. You don't pay for the ingredients.

>>8343891
Good one anon

You guys are waist deep in the kool-aid to be buying this.

>>8349665
Kool Aid itself is pretty absurd if you think about it. But a better comparison in this case might be a Coke Freestyle machine.

>>8347135
Underrated post

>>8350348
> no charcoal feathers
What a rip off

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>pst, hey Hans
>check this shit out
>I'm going to shove a fucking sardine into a donut hole
>and no lie, get this,
>I'm gonna charge them 89.95 eurocuckbucks for a single plate

what crawled up this jews ass?

>>8349617
That's kohlrabi not fennel.

>>8343434
>I literally suck on men's cocks: the post

Is this the place that has a "Water Sommelier"?

>>8352948
My point is that if you look at artifacts from a culture you know little if anything bout and assume they're bullshit just because they look funny to you and cost a lot of money you run the risk of sounding ignorant, even if you might have a point. It's like people who dismiss abstract art, post bop jazz or modern classical music. You might wonder why the fuck they decided to go in that direction. But if you'd been following what came before in those worlds you'd see that at the time it was what captured the imagination of the people who were into this stuff.

Fine dining has always had an element of theater to it. Waiters or footmen serving each of six or seven courses 100 years ago. Carving roasts or making Caesar salad table side and flaming desserts 50 years ago. 30 years ago intricate plating with sauces from squeeze bottles was the thing, as what table cloths started falling out of fashion.

From what I can tell the 21st Century has so far been about playing with context to evoke an emotional response. This makes sense, because now younger people are into it. Fine dining is no longer exclusively the domain of stodgy old rich people. So there's much more freedom to reinvent it. New American takes familiar home cooking dishes and recasts them as fine dining. Modernist cuisine takes familiar flavors and combines them in surprising and unexpected formats. Street food dishes get upscale makeovers. Ruthlessly sourced ingredients get shown off as simply as possible just to show the power of simplicity when you can get top quality ingredients. Wood fires have made a comeback in many kitchens. All of this in service of creating new visions of what fine dining can be in the 21st Century.

This makes perfect sense in a world of celebrity chefs and the Food Network. People just expect that the food will taste great. When they're dropping big dollars they want their expectations challenged in a pleasant way.

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>>8351922

>>8345048

Depends who she stole it from

>>8345180
It's considered shameful to eat the bird.

Apparently, you're supposed to shove that whole fucking thing in your mouth at once. Bones and all.

>>8354982
>It's considered shameful to eat the bird.
The idea was you didn't want god to see your shame.

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>>8345300
That's cute, you thought you were on a different website for a minute.

You goddamn faggot.

>>8343434
>>8343541
>>8353141

EXTREMELY well said posts, it is good to see somebody defending the craft.

However, I will say that fine dining will always be about $$$, that's a fact-- even if it's younger and hipper and less stodgy.

>>8355273
Also, I don't think that Dan Barber deserves mention in this thread, but maybe that's just me.

>>8348651
look man

we're living in a gilded age

the last time that happened we had one world war, then another

What I'm saying is... if ur paying $200 for some norweigan guy to shit down your wife's son's throat, ur gonna get got.

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How does Noma compare to Atelier Crenn?


>>8345551
the fuck did I just read?

Imagine being so bleeding rich that you're willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money to eat like an aboriginal, because your life is so removed from that lower class experience that it becomes entertainment for you.

And then after the meal you get to go back to being bleeding rich and having a fantastic life because you don't have to deal with the indignity of eating these sorts of things every day because you simply do not posses any wealth and you do it to survive.

Crazy world we live in.

>>8353264
>natures pepper
kek

>>8355376
Interesting. Because they're not doing it to be like the peasant for a day. They're doing it as participating in a form of "art" that gets confirmation simply from a bunch of other nouveau riche knuckleheads saying this is where it's at because the latest pop heartthrob, Lon Spandcox, caught the eye of Ms. Trophina, and they both ordered ants on a stick, with a special dipping sauce of buck reindeer urine sprinkled with bull moose must.

How long until I can sell my own literal shit on a plate and call it postmodern?

>>8355447

Now just what in the fuck crawled up your anus and died there, you pugnate?

Let people have their stupid fun and spend whatever they want on whatever they want. It's not yours to decide what their money is worth, and if they want to spend it on ridiculous foolishness then that is their prerogative.

Don't be such a damn downer. Jeez.

>tfw you start a troll thread on /ck/
>tfw cucks keep defending him and keeping the thread alive

Topkek. Eat shit (and then pay me $200), faggots.

>>8355376
Missing the point entirely.

You're paying an assload of money because you're basically hiring a bunch of experts to go and find you the best-of-the best and freshest-of-the-fresh ingredients, and then preparing it for you in a complex way.

It's not a "low class experience" in any sense of the word. the ingredients aren't low class. The decor isn't low class. The wines aren't low class.

People don't eat this stuff to "mimic the lower classes", they eat it because it's tasty.

>>8343390
That meme is over 10 years old, Anon.

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>>8356452

Thank you. For making feel superior. Dumbass.

>>8356456
Rare=/=best of the best
Freshest? You can go to the farmer's market

Enjoy your thimble of locally sourced organic air

>>8356507
>Rare=/=best of the best

I never claimed it was rare. I said it was the hand-picked best of the best.

>Freshest? You can go to the farmer's market
Yes you can. Or you can hunt/fish/garden yourself.

I didn't say it was impossible to get food of that quality elsewhere. My point was that people were paying for quality rather than "a low class experience".

If you go out to eat at a restaurant and leave not feeling full and satisfied, it's a bad restaurant and fails at such a basic level that it is beyond redemption

3 bites of moss and a mushroom isn't enough to do it senpai no matter how much unusual green fluids are drizzled on the plate

>>8356534
>3 bites of moss and a mushroom isn't enough to do it senpai

No shit. You realize that's just one of 30-some-odd courses, right?

>>8355273
>>8355287
Of course this stuff wouldn't exist unless very wealthy people were willing to pay for it. But the same is true for most fine things. Most art would not exist without patronage of the wealthy. That doesn't make appreciating art less valid. Same with other luxury goods.

I have a rich friend who has a Maserati (the cabrolet coupe with the Ferrari engine). It's a fucking car that costs the greater part of $200k. Clearly a thing intended only for the elite. I'm not a member of the elite, but I sure as hell can appreciate the thing. The style, the performance, the craftsmanship - even the engine note. Just because I'm unlikely to ever afford such an indulgence doesn't mean I'm going to write it off as bullshit. It's an outrageously cool car that could never exist in the first place unless people with that kind of fuck you money were willing to spend it on a car like that.

Fine dining is like that. The average peoson is as likely to go out for a tasting menu as they are to drive a Maserati. That doesn't make either bullshit. DaVinci couldn't have painted the Mona Lisa without a wealthy parton paying him to do so. The Taj Mahal could not have been built without the comission of a rich Emperor.

I'm vary much against the wealth inequity in our current world - it's absurd and we ought to know better. But that does nothing to change the fact that some of the most interesting stuff we have produced as a species came from very wealthy people supporting talented creative types who had unique visions. And you don't have to be a member of the elite to appreciate the fruits of those visions, even if you can't afford the cost of entry.

>>8356607
You could't pay me to eat this crap desu.

Dane here, Noma has become an overrated tourist trap and a place for danish businessmen to bring overseas partners to impress.

If you want a great fine dining experience in Copenhagen, you go to Geranium not Noma.

>>8343390
Why hasn't anyone made a Willy Wonka style restaurant
Where you pay $1000 dollars to wander through some amazing room where everything is edible

Half of the pics in this thread aren't even of Noma dishes but they all look like they could be

>>8357980
You couldn't pay me to eat most of the garbage in a typical supermarket. So what?

>>8358013
>overseas partners to impress.

Precisely. And from a Dane no less. What a fucking joke. Art? Go read some literature or stroll through a museum.

Impress some group of nouveau riche so you can close the business deal? Eat hand gathered slugs hibernating just below the frostline presented on a bed of currenicullum imagerio moss gathered at the winter solstice in 2005 and aged in a cask of lingonberry bark. Only 499.95 US.

A Dane calls out bullshit and I, amerifat the third, second it.

>>8358013
>>8358306
That's bound to happen whan a place gets called the "World's Best Restaurant" a couple years in a row. Really, there's no way any place can live up to that level of hype for very long. That doesn't mean the ideas that got the spotlight turned on them in the first place are invalid. They're just dated now.

>>8358252
At least when the ants get to that stuff they're free.