Beer general

>>8085752
I had a bottle of Dragon's MIlk a few nights back. Was good, but a bit overwhelming.

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Drinking a meme beer rn

Does anyone drink Pumking from Southern Tier? People generally seem to enjoy it but I think it tastes like sickeningly sweet candy corn and chemicals or something. How is this garbage so popular? Tried it the past few years since some friends always get it every year and will probably pass on it this year since it is horrible.

>>8085752
beer is for poor people

>>8085840
Beer is for everyone

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Drinking a local brew, it has an interesting tang to it, but liking it with all the goses I've been drinking this summer.

>>8085796
I like it. Then again, I love pumpkin pie and it has that spice to it. I know someone who pours it over ice cream

>>8085764
Hey illinois bro. It's like $12 for a six pack so I haven't picked it up yet. How do you like it? I always stick with anti-hero.

>>8085796
You're not alone. I used to say Southern Tier beer seemed like it was artificially flavored, and I've since seen and heard several other people say the same. It's always nice to know you're not crazy.

I will say I don't hate it, but I'm completely with you on it being too sweet and chemically.

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This beer literally made me say "Wow" out loud

God-tier

Has anyone tried Westbrook's Mexican cake? What am I in for? Was 18 euros.
>>8085752
This was excellent. Paid 10 bucks for it though...

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It is what it is! Works well with certain foods if you dont want to drink water!

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>>8086945
>>8085752
god tier in here let's go

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Any homebrewers here? Long time lurker in 4chan, new to ck, I have a small factory. Drinking some irish red ale atm, the peoole that buy it tell me it's delicious and I really enjoy it

>>8087908
>>8085752
What glass?

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Nice enough imperial stout. Some sour notes in the aftertaste due to the raspberries i guess. I do get some very nice berry notes in the mouth.

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>>8085796
>>8086319
Southern Tier's darker beers tends to be cloyingly sweet. I tried their Choklat Oranj and Salted Caramel stouts out of curiosity, and found them near undrinkable.

>>8085752
The Bomb is a great stout, but yeah, pricey. I tried pic related this weekend. I haven't had many sours, so it was a bit different, but nice!

>>8088096
Liquorice in stout is GOAT imo.

>>8087971
I've been wanting to start recently, been doing research, watching videos and whatnot. Any tips for a beginner? Maybe least expensive way to start, batch size, etc. My brother is also very interested as well, so we could possibly split costs between the two of us.

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Drinking this stuff. A little more crisp than a traditional pils, but that's the way I like it.

>>8086164
Meh. I don't get why they get away with charging more for these ones. It's as good as anti-hero to me.

I'm sure I'd taste the difference trying them back to back, but not worth the extra $2-3.

>>8087971
I'm going to try it once my basement is done and I can move all the shit out of my storage room.

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>>8085752
What is the best USA major commercial beer?

Right now I think it's Miller Draft.

Tastes OK. Not great, just OK. But, it's really fucking cheap for what it is.

>unironically paying 7 (SEVEN) burgerbucks on a SINGLE bottle of beer

I'm done, I can't do it anymore

You fucking beerfags need to be rounded up and gassed ASAP

>>8089903
>only for special occasions
English. Do you read it.

>>8089905
There is no occasion special enough to spend $7 on a single bottle of beer. I wouldn't spent that much if Hillary was assassinated, Kek came down from the heavens and blessed me with all the repeating digits, and Hitler rose from the dead to give me one of his old paintings all on the same day.
>English. Do you read it.
A better question is, "Grammar, do you know it?"

>>8089909
>There is no occasion special enough to spend $7 on a single bottle of beer
12 oz once, is OK.
Bomber of beer and larger, is OK.

>YOU CANT TRY ANYTHING NEW FOR FUN

>>8089911
>>YOU CANT TRY ANYTHING NEW FOR FUN

You can do whatever the hell you want, but if you do stupid shit you're going to get a proportional amount of shit flung at you. In this case, OP demonstrated that he has at least 1 extra chromosome by unironically buying a $7 bottle of beer, so I'm going to treat him like the defective fuck that he is.

>>8089917
>novelty isn't worth a couple extra bucks
euaghasdijaskdm

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>>8088888
Sweet quints bruh

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Been on a real smoke kick as of late and this is really hitting the spot.

>>8088888
>Brahaha Duhas
Hope I'm reading this right
Because Quints demand I drink it

You guys use pint please app?

>>8089903
It's a great stout and 13% abv.
I paid the same price as a cheap bottle of wine for it. Oh no.

>>8089940
Bauhaus, as far as I know it's only avaliable in MN right now, they're fucking excellent. Sky-five, wonderstuff, and hairbanger are great

>>8090150
I like that a pilsner and schwarzbier are 2 of their year round offerings.

>>8085752
>7$
do you live in oklahoma?

>>8090397
they dont sell anything with an ABV above 3.3% cold in Oklahoma, if he did he bought it warm

>>8090397
Minnesota. We just started getting prairie stuff a week or two ago.

>>8085752
drinking a steel reserve high gravity lager. Tastes good, but the select hops make it a little much for my delicate pallet.

>>8090549
Wat?
Holy shit I thought no alcohol before 1:00 pm on sunday was bad here.

>>8090552
oakdale bro here, where did you find it?

>>8090573
i thought liquor stores were completely closed sunday?

>>8090577
Cellars(changing to atomic liquors) in eagan off cliff road. The total wine near me has their double ipa as well.
If you're in Oakdale, try the Cellars over in vadnais heights by that walmart. I think that's where it is, or its up 35e off that 96 exit.

>>8090591
thank you bro, you usually in these threads as well? im usually the surly poster

>>8090581
Don't have any liquor stores here actually, 3 store town. Here they just don't let you buy beer until 1:00 and no alcohol over 15% abv is even sold.
>west virginia tristate OH/PA

>>8090597
Yeah I post mostly mn and wi crap in here. I was just up in Grand Marais a couple weeks ago and stopped at castle danger on the way up. Love that place. The best beer I had from them was their stout aged in red wine barrels. It was incredible.

>>8090607
hell yeah castle danger is great, i just visited bent paddle yesterday, it was an awesome time. fresh bent hop on tap is incredible

>>8089917

It all depends on the type of beer. Highly regarded stouts that start popping up on a limited basis in a certain area will almost always garner $5+ per bottle before regular distribution begins. Pretty stupid to get butthurt over OP when things like Goose Island/[insert rare seasonal beer releases] or Sam Adams Utopias exist. But I'm sure you've never overpaid for anything in your life.

How do is top being a plen and not love Narragansett and Genessee? I don't want to be this way.

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Not to be a normie, but... Octoberfest Octoberfest Octoberfest! Typically an ale guy, but it's one of my favorite lagers. Have only had Shiner this year, but in the past I've had some nicer stuff (Ayinger stands out). Thinking of giving Yuengling a try. Do you guys recommend any?

>also points if any nobody knows where to get pic-related, if they still make it, reviews, etc.

>>8090718
>Octoberfest Octoberfest Octoberfest!
It's "Oktoberfest" you ignorant swine.

>>8090726

Maybe if I was speaking German. But I'm not.

>>8090729
its oktoberfest regardless child

even on the shitty lager you have

>>8090700
Their cold press ale on nitro is unbeatable. I love bent paddle. Hammerheart is solid too, but I couldn't drink more than two of anything they make. I like the smoked and Oaked stuff, but it gets to be too much especially in the summer

>>8090726
fuck you, and grow up
>>8090729
thanks but you don't need to defend me, I'm a big boy
>>8090733
and last, you ladies missed the point of my post entirely, I guess. Whatever. Cheers.

>and I know how it's spelled. Matter of fact I'm pretty sure I typed it correctly. But I'm on an iPad atm
>autocorrector

>tfw getting tired of my current go-to cheap beer and craving PBR again

>>8088030
'tulip'

>>8090718
Sierra Nevada's is very good and cheap

>>8090718
Sam Adams or Great Lakes

Digging into the Oktoberfests, already went through a sixer of Yeungling's, now drinking Yazoo Fall Lager.

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>>8089898
>not living the high life

>>8090527
beeradvocate told me this was shit, can you confirm?

>>8090607
ayy I'm in Duluth other than Bent Paddle any local brews to try?

>>8089898
>>8092170
MGD and High Life are pretty much the same beer, but one is pasteurized, and the other is cold filtered

>>8085764
Dude that shit is too old now. It was nice the week it came out. Gotta git that single hop freeesh. Working in the beer section at a booze store has spoiled me.

>>8085752
I had so many chances to get this at 5 bucks a pop I probably ended up spending 50 bucks on it. Maybe working at a beer store isn't so great.

Recently been living Sibling Rivalry from Off Color. They make amazing beer. Love em. Spiteful also does great shit. Never been disappointed by their brews. Half acre has been doing great as well, but as always you need to go to the tasting room to get their smaller brews.

>>8086164
You can really get a good taste of what the mosaic hop provides. I like it much more than citra. Pipeworks does a better job with their single hop line. Last week they came out with Grungeist (green ghost) single hop, which was floral and tasted like sweet fruit. Very good hop that I hope to see more of. I just finished off a bomber of pipeworks single hop mosaic, and it was much more balanced and tasty than mosaic hero. Revolution just uses too much of the hop to even appreciate its flavor.

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>>8092170
Well then beeradvocate is stupid. Leffe blonde is a completely fine beer to drink. However it is not worth gushing over, bear this mind if it is overpriced.
>>8090718
Oktoberfest.

Has anyone got experience with cream ales? From the top of my mind I've had To Öl Primal scream, pic related and Kilkenny. They are all very different and I would not have grouped them under the same style without knowing they were the same. I guess what I am trying to say is there a combining factor/typical cream ale so I can nail down what the style is all about?

>>8086945
It is THE doppelbock. Sweet candy beer.

>>8085796
Warlock is better, but I like it best agreed a year. It has gone down in quality the past few years. Pumking was much better even two years ago. It's gotten too big. I'll pick it up when it's on special for 3 bucks at the grocery store.

>>8089903
That's normal for a glass of draft at a bar.

>>8092170
Leffe is decent. If you like wheaty beers, you can enjoy it.

>>8092170
Near you? Castle danger obviously, and on the wisconsin side of the bridge there's a place called the Thirsty Pagan. Last time I was there, the head brewer was super into sours and pretty damn good at them. I hear fitgers has good stuff, but it's a little fancier I guess. I also heard there's some new one going in along 61 a little ways past two harbor I think? Can't remember. Voyager brewing is just okay.

I know a few breweries that go into distilling, but any distillery startups do brewing? To me it seems the technique is pretty similar for making wash for grain based spirits and beer, and it seems logical that a whisky startup might also brew beer as a way to get cashflow before the whisky matures. Is there something stopping them? I suppose there's a lot more stainless to invest in for parallel production and they can do gin as a ready to sell product, but is that all that's stopping them?

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>>8085752
Just had my first Bomb! last night.

Pretty fucking fantastic.The layers of coffee and chocolate on top of an already great stout body were something else.

That said, I think I can get some beers that are just as good in a similar profile for less than $9 for 12 oz. Hell, Breakfast Stout is out, and for a couple bucks more I can get a four pack.

Also had pic related, Southern Tier's Sour Cherry Gose, and it was roughly exactly what I expected. Decent, but it's got that weird thing Southern Tier does where it tastes like there's artificial flavoring. In this case, like artificial cherry flavor. The salt was also much more up front than a typical gose, and the sour much less pronounced. Also, it was $4 for a single. Get Victory's Kirsch Gose instead.

>>8090718
I've tried nine different oktoberfests in the past month, most in the past week.

Out of all of them, Cigar City's was clearly the best, and Left Hand's was clearly the second best. The CCB one is brewery site-exclusive, though, so I might not be helping you really.

The Left Hand is notably hoppier than a normal marzen, which normally I wouldn't like, but it works very well. Gives it some spice.

As far as the rest, I'd rank them thusly: >paulaner >sam adams > erie > sierra nevada > spaten > shiner > yuengling

>>8092812
Oh yeah I've been to the thirsty pagan, I had something called a train wreck IPA there. It was good but it was just "craft IPA #6381"for me, ill have to go back sometime. Their pizza is pretty great as well

>>8093184
I had their black ale which I guess is their signature beer. It was good, but they had a tequila sour there that I had a good few of. I'd go back. And yeah the pizza was bretty good.
I'm in the suburbs of mpls so I'm not too knowledgeable about up near you

>>8085840
Beer is for real men.
You can go drink some fancy "Sex on the beach" now.

>>8093203
Tequila aged sour*

>>8089917
>shit poorfags say

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lunch beer. praise kek

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l-lewd...

>>8093668
The fuck. Anime beer? I refuse to drink it.

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>>8093668

Is this really real? I love it and am also disgusted. Beers need more deviantart tier bottle art.

>that hop gag

>>8093439
>being rich justifies being retarded

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Whats the closest thing I can get to this in the UK? I was drinking it in France on tap and loved it but cant find it anywhere.

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>>8089903
>>8089909
>>8089917
>Paying more money for nicer things is retarded because I say so!

>>8093697
The first time I ever saw this was irl in a ghetto liquor store I worked at in Chicago. I did a double take

>>8094182
I still need to try this. I really liked dirt wolf and their pils

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Had this Hissy Fit marzen (which is basically Oktoberfest, I think) last night.

It was malty but still crisp and balanced. 7/10, would drink again.

>>8094377
It's good, and relatively cheap-ish where I'm at. Like $9 for a 4-pack.

For me, it was kinda like a slightly hoppier Old Rasputin.

>>8092220
Kilkenny nitro'ed, like Guinness, not cream ale. What you're looking is something between a good blonde ale and a lager. Hard to do, great when it is

>>8093701
Omnipollo has awesome beer and packaging but fucking large bottles are a total ripoff.

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>>8087971
Yes, I homebrew. Here's my most recent batch. Haven't had much time to brew a new one.

>>8094847
>only drinking bombers
Why?

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Bought my hands on the last 3 bottles of the Old Stock Ale. The barleywine did break the bank a bit, though.

>>8094931
I hope that that barleywine isn't infected. Some of those beers were recalled.

I think im ready to try beer again.

When I was like 16, I tried to get into beer and tried a handful of them like, Blue Moon, Shock top, Stella Artois, Tangerine Wheat, Pabst, Rolling rock etc.. but they all tasted like shit to me.

Now that my 21st birthday is coming up, I decided to give it a try again. Recommend me some babys first beer to try.

>>8094938
Guinness, Old Rasputin.

>>8094938

I started out with stouts and richer, heavier beers before eventually moving on to ales etc

>>8094938
>Blue Moon, Shock top, Stella Artois, Tangerine Wheat, Pabst, Rolling rock etc.. but they all tasted like shit to me.
That's because those are shit.

>>8094949
is also steering you down a bad beginners path.

Go out and find pretty much anything labled "amber" "brown ale" "blond ale" or anything from Fat Tire brewing. Those are nice, easy drinking beers.

The one thing I will tell you is that you're probably not going to like much of it right away, especially if you're use to sweeter things like soda. Beer can take some getting use to and trying quite a few before you find what you like in the beginning. See if any stores in your area will let you mix and match beers so you can try a lot at once without committing to a six pack.

>>8094938
Find a bottom shelf beer that you can get lots of for cheap and that tastes the least shitty to you compared to other bottom shelf beers. Force yourself to drink it until you're strangely attached to it. Occasionally pick up six packs of better more expensive beers. It's like calibrating your taste buds. Now you can appreciate how much better and different those beers are. Eventually you can compare them to other more expensive beers. When you don't wanna spend too much, you can always indulge in your base beer.

That's what I did at least.

lads whats the cheapest yet best beer uve drank

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>>8085752

Malt Liquor lol

>>8094958
I've only gotten into beers (was a previously whiskey man), and I prefer ales to stouts

>>8093701
Lots of buzz and swedish hipsters get crazy over that shit.

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Bought this today for about 3 dollars.

I think it was worth every penny, and is the first mass produced beer that I have enjoyed. I'm relatively new to beer but among the 7 or 8 I've tried this probably comes second only to a locally produced scwarzbier I had in Bavaria.

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Are there any other commonly available beers which have mild flavors like Yuengling and Blue Moon? Everything else I've tried is too much like an ale, IPA, porter, stout, or typical flavorless lager.

>>8095332
nigger detected

>>8095329
free bud lights and coors lights at parties

>>8095009
How much is too much for a beer

>>8095534
shit like heiniken and stella is overpriced bc its skunky in America

IPA's and microbrews are pricy but you buy them for the novelty

malt liquor, busch, natty light also arent worth buying even though they are cheap because they mean you're an alcoholic with a sad life

>>8095547

In Russia a bottle of stella goes for about 1.10 usd. I forgot how much they were in the states

>>8095556
I think around $2 a bottle, +$1 over domestic beers like Yuengling at most bars

might be better on tap but most people who drink beer like that are twats

>>8090840
>tfw getting tired of my current go-to expensive beers and craving PBR again

>>8093824
how many times did I blackout on the Fin du monde

>>8095526
Paulaner or hacker pschorr. Most german styles are easy to drink. Wheats, oktoberfest, bock, etc.

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damn, this is amazing

>>8094847
Do you drink them or just like how the bottles look in your fridge?

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I believe this is the right place to ask.

A while ago I had a glass of Kwak at a bar and I ((("""accidentally""")) somehow got the glass home with me. But before the adventure was over I noticed the lowest part of the wooden glass stand had come off in my bag. But then I realized: in this condition the glass was easy to detach from the stand something that I hadn't been able to do at the bar. So my simple question is thus:
Is this something that's actually supposed to happen or did the wooden stand indeed break and needs to be glued?

>>8094961
>bad beginners path

Not necessarily. Some self-proclaimed 'beer haters' (in reality: pale macro lager haters) do like stout from the get go because it's so different to them from 'normal' beer. And Guinness is indeed a good beginners stout, despite being far from a top-notch one.

>>8094930
Smaller batch, higher quality

At least when done right

>>8095590
That's me with Delerium

That fuggin pink elephant

>>8095332
t. negro

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Actually went by Westvleeteren earlier this year during a roadtrip, insane value for the 10 $ compared to the 70 $ or so in Sweden where I come from, also 12 goat

>>8093668
my illinois nigga

>>8094936
rip op

>>8096436
i cried the next morning in my car on the interstate

no wonder with its 9% of alcool

>>8095590
I wonder if they still do the one called Terrible, that beer had 10,5% of alcool

>>8085752
why arent you buying trooper beer you pleb

>>8094357
Fug I'm in the Chicago area, work in a binny's, and I've never seen it.

Just enjoying some Vallejo. Last of the season, unfortunately. My birthday marks the end of summer this year.

Anyone going to riot fest? Imma sneak in some jack Daniels. Fuck the price for beer at the fest.

>>8096772
What is it like as a tourist? Looks like you've got a table, is there a bar? I thought it would be something very un-fun and you'd simply be able to by bottles to go since it's a monastery

>>8095329
Victory DirtWolf is insane value at about 8$ a 4-pack for an exceptional DIPA. If you find it at a store less than a month old it has amazing quality/price ratio, I wouldn't buy it if it's over a month old though. Old Rasputin is similar and doesn't even have the freshness caveat.

>>8097286
Sucks is like 10 bucks here. It's a good DIPA. I'll go for Buckledown's Clencher over it, though. Now that's a damn good DIPA for 11 a sixer

>>8096276
So you use the wooden stand as a handle normally? I'd glue it back on if that's how you're suposed to hold it. The glass is liable to spill if you use it separately.

>>8097233
Wanna fugg in the bathroom of Jerry's Fruit and Garden?

>>8097292
I agree, Sucks is great value. I've never seen Buckledown before so unfortunately it must be unavailable here in PA.

>>8097297
Depends. You a lesbian?

>>8085752
If you can find it. Pirate bomb is even better.

Another okie beer I really enjoy is Coop DNR. Its really strong and even better if you throw in a shot of Woodford or other bourbon.

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>>8097323
I'll take that as a yes

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Happy to see Founders Breakfast Stout back on the shelves. Sipping on one right now.

>>8097408
Fug. I gotta get me some asap

>>8097382
If you end up molesting me you'll leave the fest one dick less than when you arrived. I'll do you a favor and pour a shots worth of jack on what used to be your penis.

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>>8097510

>>8095333
Stouts are ales.

>>8095512
European mass production beer is not far behind American craft beer in terms of quality, and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of American mass production.

>>8095526
Yes, tons. Where do you live?

>>8095562
Wait. Something as putridly garbage as Stella is $2 a bottle? Holy fucking shit. I assumed it existed because it was another cheap macro shit.

Holy fuck.

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>>8097510
>implying my dick didn't already get blown off by a recipe I read on /ck/

>>8097725
Dude it's 7$ a glass at some bars near me. It's retarded

>>8096340
This was me, in fact.

I hated -- HATED -- beer for almost my first quarter-century of life, because I'd had the most common beer -- American Adjunct Lager -- and the mos popular craft beer -- America Pale Ale.

Turns out, I fucking LOVE beer, I just don't like pale lagers, and I don't like (most) hop-forward beers.

The first time I had a bock, I loved it. The first time I had Guiness, I loved it. The first time I had a porter, I loved it. Most of those early beers I probably won't drink much ,if ever, again because of how far I've evolved past them, but stouts and porters and other full-bodied beers were absolutely a great beginner path for me.

There's so much variety in beer. It's possible to just hate beer plain and simple, but it's very likely you just happen to hate what you've tried, and what you've tried is a small corner of the landscape. I speak from experience.

>>8097714
>European mass production beer is not far behind American craft beer in terms of quality
This is not true

It is ahead of american macros for sure, but much closer to American macros than it is to legit beer

>>8097416
I wait on it usually, because it ages just fine, and a lot of stupid stores don't realize that and knock the price down come late-winter.

That said, I miss it terribly, and might be impatient.

>>8097730
Jesus christ.

I legit assumed it was another cheap beer, that was the only justification I could find for its existence.

Like, I won't drink Bud, but I know why it exists. It costs almost nothing. I thought Stella was like that.

>>8097746
Maybe I just only drink the good stuff.

>>8097751
>Maybe I just only drink the good stuff.
I mean there is surely some good stuff to be found, but if you look at the top selling beers in any Euro country they are usually pretty fucking bad

>>8097746
Kek. It's called wife beater for a reason. It's garbage.

>>8097760
Oh man, the customers that think it's done high quality gold when thet ask me to point them to the Stella are hilarious and common. I normally point people to good German beer if they ask me for something like it. There's some really, really good German beer out there and it's a shame how much convincing it takes to get my customers to try it.

Still, there are likely local breweries that do European style beers justice. There are some breweries near me that specialize in it. Church Street for one.

>>8095332
Mickey's

Miller High Life

Yuenling

Leinenkugel

>>8097714
Nah it's more like

EU Trappist Ales/etc... >/= American Craft Beer (Some are GOAT, some are meme, some are shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU Macro Beer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>American Macro Beer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UK Beer

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I haven't tried many beers, probably only half of a dozen or so, but this is by far my favorite. What's the general opinion on Franziskaner's Naturtrub?

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50 cents a pint when I was in Prague. Drank it by the gallon, room temp never cold. Shit was GOAT.

Never really liked beer until i had this with my dad watching a football game.
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/wild-river-india-pale-ale/8396/
What kind should i try if i like ipa?

>>8098414
Naturtrub sounds straight outta HP Lovecraft

>>8086945
the glass looks like a butt plug

>>8097846
lel
I bet you spend your day shitposting about le perfidious anglo

>>8098414
>>8098452
Naturtrub just means unfiltered, it's usually called franziskaner weissbier or just franziskaner.

In my opinion, and I believe the consensus, it's very close to the best beer of it's style, and certainly the most readily available

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God-tier

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Had this ridiculous cunt yesterday, on tap! Absolutely lovely, but I wouldn't have 2 of them in a day and maybe even in a week, it's really something special.
I know /ck/ is especially American-centered and that's fine by me, but I really do suggest to try Northern European brews by To-Ol, Haandbrigg (sic) and some of Mikheller's stuff (Mikheller has a Belgian brewery make some beers for them, those are all fantastic.
Not sure how you'd go about getting any of these outside of Europe, but you should try anyway.

>>8098846
What is it?

>>8099166
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/omnipollo-noa-pecan-mud-cake/326774/

>>8097152
I'm taking the gamble with the barleywine. My real prize were the three bottles of 2013 Old Stock Ale. when I first bought it, the bottles were sitting in the back of the liquor store gathering dust. Nobody besides myself ever bought it. I've been basically clearing out their stock of the stuff.

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Murrican craft beers are way too overdone. It's like they're trying too hard to emulate something they never had. Much like their silly "MUH ANCESTRAL TRADITION" shit like local Oktoberfests, Clog dancing festivals and shit.

Pic related is what I'm drinking right now. When this crate is empty, I'll get me a crate of Veltins or Krombacher, and one with Einbecker Brauherren or Radeberger

>>8099268
You realize that the American inland north was mostly settled by Germans (and Irish). Its not like Americans just spontaneously arose a couple hundred years ago

>>8098414
>>8098809

Franziskaner is shit compared to either Weihenstephaner, Schneider Weisse, or Augustiner.

They aren't even that hard to find.

>>8099365
doesn't make their fake traditions any less shit.

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>>8099406
What

>>8099406
What are you even talking about?

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>>8099412
>>8099413
knock-off oktoberfests for example

>>8099424
What the fuck is wrong with drinking beer while dressing like old timey germans?

I am seriously struggling to understand why this upsets you

>>8099429
it's not authentic.

>>8099429
it's fake and gay and cringey.

>>8099432
What the fuck even is authenticity? Its not like the people are selling the event as something it isn't

>>8099432
>>8099433
>no fun allowed
Kys

>>8099432
>>8099433
I think you guys are severely misunderstanding what these events are

>>8099446
Foreigners emulating german culture, yes

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>>8099449

>>8099449
They are celebrating German culture, not emulating it. Thats a really silly way for you to interpret things

>>8099456
>german nationals
>americans

does not compute. either you're german or you're not. invent new american traditions instead of being germans with mutilated cocks

>>8099462
Oh, it's an SJW having a fit about cultural appropriation, now it makes sense why you're triggered so badly.

>>8099462
So people who move to America have to completely forget everything they new beforehand? What an absurd stance

>>8096276
give it back tyrone

>>8099467
I'm a german who doesn't like his traditions abused by jewworshippers with mutilated dicks

>>8099470
they shouldnt have left our beautiful country in the first place if they liked the customs here so much.
Just like we in Germany don't drink any of your shitty IPAs, don't have a burger shop every 100m and don't put corn sirup into everything, amerilards should develop their own traditions, because seeing burgers go "MUH OKTOBERFEST" makes us proper germans cringe.

>>8099503
Do people like you just cry about Americans all day?

>>8099503
I think you should stop focusing on America and maybe do something about the current state of your beautiful country.

>>8099504
Only on here when I see americans worshipping us for no reason, because your own culture is shit

>>8099503
I'm an American who doesn't like his internet being appropriated and abused by the sorest losers in the world. Try winning a world war or two and maybe, just maybe, people will take your temper tantrum seriously. You whine and bitch "ohhh, americans are stealing X" when you come on here and steal our bandwidth, not realizing the hypocrisy of the situation. How about you invent your own internet? Or is inventing that banned under Sharia Law?

>>8099518
>Try winning a world war or two and maybe

Where did you serve in WWII, grandpa? Otherwise STFU.

And this is coming from a fellow American BTW.

>>8099530
Did you invent Oktoberfest? no? Then STFU.
>I-I'm American
sure you are, Abdul. Cry more about "your" failed Reichs.

>>8099503
Its not my fault you don't drink good beer in Germany. Maybe thats why you are so mad, lack of access to top tier beer

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Low tier cuban stuff here

>>8099516
>Only on here when I see americans worshipping us
Do you really think a group of 100 or so middle aged people getting together to drink some beer and have a brat while some random person in traditional german dress plays polka once a year qualifies as 'worship'?

>>8099549
>alc 4.9% vol
what's wrong with 5%? does the extra .1 really matter that much?

>>8099530
>the world wars don't count against me because I am not old, but older german traditions do because muh feelings

>>8099546
>ts not my fault you don't drink good beer in Germany.
>IPAs
>shitty craft beers made by amateurs with no history
>Good beer

I'm laughing all the way to my beer crate containing Einbecker Ur-Bock right now

>>8099562
>Ur-Bock
so he was right, you don't drink good beer, you drink mexican-tier shitwater.

>>8099562
America has all of your pre world wars history and actually built upon it
Meanwhile most Germans still cling to the antiquated reinheitsgebot, a law specifically written to keep bread cheap for peasants at the expense of beer quality and diversity.

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>>8099566
Oh boy, those grapes sure are sour, ain't they?

>>8099562
>I have some beer that pretty much every american craft brewery can beat, so take that America
Do you think every craft brewery only makes IPA? It seems like you just do not understand what good beer is in general

>>8099574
Nice Corona-tier drink, Abdul. Maybe once you grow up you'll be able to handle a real american beer.

>>8099574
Reminder that I can go to my random flyover super market and get better examples of any style you have easy access to

>>8099577
>thinks american beer can beat anything
There was a reason why you had to imitate a brewery tradition from superior germanic countries, but as with everything, you are big dumb oafs who have no sense of history so most of your beers taste like the wannabe edgy hipster shit they are.

Maybe some day, you will have a nice beer culture that is not rooted into "who can make the craziest beverage."

I recently even saw you dont even brew after the purity law. Made me lol out loud, literally.

>>8099579
>still being this salty

>>8099591
by a combination of American beer and more readily available imports, yeah, my access beats or at worst matches any style you have access to
>There was a reason why you had to imitate a brewery tradition from superior germanic countries,
What do you not understand about much of America literally being settled by those people who brought all of their expertise and tradition along. What makes American beer so special as that people actually built on those traditions rather than allow themselves to fall back into mediocrity
>most of your beers taste like the wannabe edgy hipster shit they are.
What the fuck does this even mean?

>I recently even saw you dont even brew after the purity law. Made me lol out loud, literally.

Again, the purity law, and the attitude it caused, is a large reason why modern German beer is so mediocre, that law was designed to fuck over brewers and beer drinkers, not to help them, so its really sad to see you poor people clinging to. Its some weird Stockholm syndrome shit

>>8099582
Get me a nice Pilsner, a good Helles, Weizen, Schwarzbier, Rauchbier. Maibock, Export, Kellerbier, Alt, Malzbier, Dunkel, Berliner Weiße and Kölsch from America. Thanks.

Why does every beer thread into a nationalistic pissing contest?

>>8099608
I've had good American made beer of all of those styles besides 'Malzbier' from my nearest super market
Maybe I know Malzbier by some other name, though, not familiar with that

Do you seriously think craft breweries only make IPA?

>>8099610
i'd say beer threads actually have less of that than the average non-beer thread here

>>8099591
The Biersteuergesetz is hardly a garantee of quality. There's a lot of mediocre beer still and a lot of rtd beer coolers that are made under it.

>>8099608
>2016
>drinking rauchbier

shiggy diggity doo

>>8099620
Malzbier is an awful tasting soft drink made with malt extract

>>8099637
Rauchbiers are great.

>>8099632
It prevents us from, luckily, calling dreck with fruits and not brewed with traditional ingredients "beer", luckily. So this inferior, impure shit is reduced to "Hops drink" or the like

>>8099620
list them, I want to laugh at the retarded brand names of what you call beer.

>>8099610
Because there's always an angry German who screams that all American beer is piss and/or a dumb American who screams that America makes the very best beer in every possible style.

Both sides are pretty pretty retarded.

>>8099602
>imports
enjoy your rotten green bottled beer, while I enjoy its freshness.

>>8099591
Do Germans actually believe the marketing myth that the reinheitsgebot was/is a good thing for German beer? Or is this just a ruse?

>>8099651
Why wouldn't it be a good thing?

>>8099641
Except fruit, oats, rye and wheat are traditional ingredients

>>8099641
But there are exemptions for top-fermented beers in the Biersteuergesetz that allow for Gose to be brewed with salt and coriander and still be called beer.

>>8099654
For Panscher maybe. And you can still put them in your alcoholic hops drinks, they're not beers though.

>>8099646
>google dot com ya big douche

>>8099655
Yes, because someone lobbied for it. Still doesn't work for "MUH FRUIT BEERS" though

>>8099652
Because it was a law designed to get brewers to stop using wheat and rye and other grains in beer only to keep the price of bread down. You see barely didn't make good bread so your feudal overlords allowed it to go in beer but the law was absolutely shit for beer quality and killed most traditional styles, and is the primary reason modern german beer is so mediocre, homogeneous, and sterile while next door Belgium, free from the grasp of your rulers is known for having the best beer in Europe

>>8099656
This is a ridiculous stance to hold. Your medieval regional bureaucrats don't define beer, the people who actually drink and make it do

>>8099660
Only because all of the traditional Northern fruit beers were killed off at federation when Bavarian autists insisted on their beer laws being applied nationally. What makes beer brewed under laws originally designed to regulate the price of grain more legitimate than other traditional styles?

>>8099667
The people have ratified the biersteuergesetz in 2009 the last time. It's not that ancient.

>>8099664
>>8099664
>is the primary reason modern german beer is so mediocre, homogeneous, and sterile
You must have sufferred severe damage to your brain in your childhood if you cant differentiate between, say, Veltins and Warsteiner by taste alone.

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>>8099646
just the other day I had this excellent Schwarzbier, one rated more highly than any German made version

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>>8099674
By who? ratebeer.com and beeradvocate?

>>8099673
>The people have ratified the biersteuergesetz in 2009 the last time. It's not that ancient.
People can be tricked into allowing all sorts of terrible laws. That doesn't make it any less antiquated

>>8099685
Feel free to find a German made schwarzbier you can buy in your local grocery store today that is more highly rated by a source of your choice

>>8099674
I wouldn't put much faith in beer rating websites. They are highly skewed towards Americans and evangelistic new converts to craft beer with unrefined palates. I doubt many here would take them too seriously outside of when they want to use them to try and give weight to an argument.

>>8099699
>They are highly skewed towards Americans
There is literally no evidence of this. Good beer itself obviously skews American as the vast majority of the best beer is made there, but to claim there is some inherent rating bias toward American beers without a shred of evidence is absurd

Surely I wouldn't take the exact hierarchy of any specific rating site within a style as law, and they become slightly more troublesome when comparing disparate styles, but the fact that this particular one rates more highly than every single German entry in the category cannot just be ignored because it is inconvenient for your stance

>>8099710
>your stance
"My stance" is to generally agree with you, and I think I'm doing a better job by arguing against the Biersteuergesetz than by falling back on "dude reviews lmao" from a statistically flawed source.

>>8099740
Well keep in mind that the initial stance I was arguing against was that Americans can't even get those German styles. The fact that the one I was drinking just days ago happened to be higher rated than all German beer of the style was just icing.
I am sure you could make an argument that the top German ones of the style are close to on par with it, but thats really beyond the scope of what was being discussed

>>8099694
you can still brew your panscherbier, just it aint real bier then

>>8099694
Herforder Schwarzbier is literally rated more than 11, vs your beer's 3.72

http://www.biertest-online.de/indexsf3.html?herforder_schwarzbier

>>8099773
haha, have you been searching this entire time for that one link?!
Never heard of this Herforder, but its sounds laughably bad from a quick google search I just did

You just need to get out of your house and actually try some beer of different styles

You should sign up for untappd and track what you drink, then come back and show use when your have broadened your knowledge and experience of beer

>>8099647
>Because there's always an angry German who screams that all American beer is piss and/or a dumb American who screams that America makes the very best beer in every possible style.
>Both sides are pretty pretty retarded.
This.

I don't understand why everyone feels the need to get so salty about this shit. Different countries put out good beer. Some countries do certain styles better than others. Trying to say a single place is the be-all, end-all is downright stupid.

For me, when I want some Belgian style shit, I'd rather not pay $20+ for the good imported stuff, and I'd rather just get like Ommegang/Allagash/whatever. Are they as good as say, Chimay? No, but they're still good, and the rather small difference in quality isn't worth doubling what I'm paying.

Just like I wouldn't expect anyone living across the pond to buy our better stouts and stuff. It's just not convenient. Doesn't make them any less good though.

>>8099800
>Ommegang/Allagash/whatever. Are they as good as say, Chimay? No,
Why do you say this though? Sounds rather romantic, making good beer with belgian yeast isn't some elusive and mysterious ability, plenty of breweries do it

Is Gulden Draak a meme beer?
Only way I can get it is if I import, and i don't wanna buy 24 bottles of shit

>>8099844
Its good, nothing extraordinary though

>>8099790
It's the go-to beer rating website. I'm very sorry you've never heard of it. Pearls before swine, I guess :)

>>8099884
haha, what the fuck is the rating system even? It got an 11? Out of what? Is it just one guy?

>>8099891
learn to read and understand german, my dear monolingual pleb. We're the original beer country after all :^)

>>8096772
Sweden is a bad place to have an interest in beer, especially at bars. 3-4x markup.
And Westy xii was at 300 sek last time i saw one. Far from 70 usd.

>>8099829
Personally, I don't derive any noticeably greater amount of enjoyment from a Chimay/Bernardus than I do from good beers of the same style made here in the US. That + the price difference clinch the deal for me.

But Chimay/Bernardus/etc.. are still more often than not rated higher than them, even if only by a minimal amount sometimes. So that's what I meant when I said that - they're technically rated better.

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It's pretty sad that so many people in this thread are so quick hate on each-others preferred styles of beer, and are so limited in terms of what they're willing to try/like. Even sadder when they're close-minded about the fact that good beers are made in multiple countries, not just their own.

I tried pic related tonight out of curiosity. Not too big on IPAs myself, but it was pretty nice.

>>8099591
What does history taste like?

Still got a Westvleteren 12 lying around. What is the best way to drink it?

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Not seen one post mentioning this elixer of the gods.

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Very nice one.

i have 4 beers that are 9% ABV. If I drink them all will I get decently drunk? or is it not worth it

>>8103335
>or is it not worth it
What do you mean?
Unless you have to drive somewhere later or have severe money problems, drink them

>>8103344

I want to get drunk enough. I dont want to feel like "damn I need MORE" after I finish all 4.

>>8103351
I mean you won't be wasted or anything, and could definitely drink more, but you should likely feel good afterwards