Al/ck/oholic general

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>>8023945

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>birthday recently
>friends got me a bunch of special beers
>been drinking a few of them every evening
>start feeling like an alcoholic

>>8025403
I drink about a half gallon or two of kraken every week. Just started adding Ginger beer to about 60/40 and it's perfect. Would recommend.

What would you recommend that is low on calories to mix tequila i.e. 1800 silver?

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>that moment when youre bored of drinking, the smell of alcohol upsets your stomach but you still have half a bottle to go before you hit your comfort zone

>>8027719
Saliva

>>8025403
I got the "distiller's edition" couple weeks ago. Hadn't had good Scotch in an long time. Didn't blow me away at first, but after a few glasses, it's strikingly good. Not as salty/peppery as Talisker 10 though, which was a bit disappointing.

>>8023945
If you are drinking make sure you eat, its bad if you don't. I like hot dogs.

Let me tell you what I do OP. I usually do 2 at a time.

>Take the bun, spread some garlic margarine on it. Then, take a cheese slice, and put it in the bun.
>Microwave the bun so the cheese melts on it.
>Microwave the hotdog so it just about splits.
>Throw some mince white onion on it (mince like McDonalds onions)
>Put a bit of mayo, some Dijon mustard, and a little bit of ketchup (or BBQ sauce if you prefer)

Enjoy! The Recipe is all yours, friend!

Any tips on quitting? I'm hitting a wall here at just two fucking days and even that's brutal.

Is Riverside alky here

>>8027789

this happened to me on tuesday night

got my usual cheap-o wine from CVS sat down to watch some history channel, drank half of it way too fast

felt weird

smell of wine gave me goosebumps for some reason

brain was screaming for more, stomach said no way

went to bed feeling awkward

Recently discovered a new drink, I was going to make a sour cherry gin cocktail but just missed the season for cherries. I ended up getting some maraschino cherries instead and it all worked out alright. Tastes like cherry 7up and I use 2oz of gin instead of the 1oz the recipe calls for

>>8028096
Never let yourself get bored.

>tell myself I'm not drinking the next day
REALLY WANT TO FUCKING DRINK TODAY

>>8027876
Or salvia.

>>8026723
Good to see some OC

>not drinking today because I've had one dry day in like the last three months
>I need to buy sherry to make this cream of mushroom recipe
>use exactly one table spoon
>now I have like 735ml of 20.5% abv dry sherry sitting on my desk

oh well down the hatch

>>8031093
>Lexus
>Hennessy
Black? Or trying to be?

>>8031204
Oh yeah. Buchanan is a dead give away. Isn't it one of the few brands of scotch or blended whisky available in Mexico or something like that? Also I didn't even see the other car desu senpai. My bad.

>>8031220
Lexus and Hennessy are both extremely popular in the black community brah. I grew up in it.

>>8029348
Different anon here. This this used to help sometimes, but other times, the thought if alcohol would slip into my mind while doing something interesting, constructive or fun. It woukd make me feel somewhat guilty for depriving myself of enjoying these things fully, and this produced far worse cravings for much longer than boredom. Being bored actually prevented me from craving alcohol a lot of the time, since drinking itself got boring and I only craved it when withdrawals were numbing my enjoyment of things I wanted to enjoy.

I found it easiest to keep myself busy by doing constructive work which wasn't particularly fun, or mundane shit like mindless video games while listening to podcasts, stuff which passes the time but doesn't make you wish you were doing it drunk.

>>8031220

Cognac, Hennessey in particular, is very popular in black culture.

Also, I find black people are more likely to drink less of a nicer thing rather than just whatever gets you loaded. Obviously that's not universal though. But I've never known white people my age to regularly drink Bombay Sapphire or Hennessy.

>>8031341

"Nice cars" isn't really the thing that made the guy say black though. It's the Lexus name in particular. If that pic was of an Audi and Bulleit, there would have been no comment.

>>8031412
You're really eager to try and show off.

>pick up a cream liquer thats not baileys to try
>tastes great with tea
Might have a new night cap.

7 beers, a bottle of wine and a quart of gin and nothing has really hit me yet, should I keep going on Brandy or give up?

>>8032045

I'd just give up at that point, either your stomach is full of food or you just aren't in the correct state to get drunk.

From my experiences if you keep going beyond exceeding your normal limit in these conditions you suddenly swing from too sober to feeling like a sick pile of garbage

>>8032069
Yeah I had a big dinner, fair play, night mate

Drank before work for the first time today, I can see why people do this now. Never been so relaxed for a morning shift in my life. A screwdriver or two made all the difference.

I feel like I'm on a slippery slope..

>>8032083
Yeah I spent a long time drinking before work, it feels good but it reaches a point where people definitely notice. If you're insistent then have a shot of something in the morning and nothing more because it's surprisingly easy to tell

>>8032087

Yeah I'll only have a drink, 2 at the most. Thing is, 90% of my coworkers also have a drink before coming in, so I'm not in a scenario where I'd get fired if anyone found out.

>>8025519
I used to make a bizarre cocktail called Tom Tom you're Kraken me up, but since it called for the hair of a guy called Tom it just became too time consuming

>>8032091
Oh right fair play then, if you think it's a good shout then all power to ya

made a mojito just now. Used real sugar instead of simple syrup. Don't know which one is better though.

>>8032105
I'm a sugar guy but I get the syrup argument

Never drank before, what do I drink to be patrician?

>>8032115
If you're not having a beer first like most people then pick something a little sweet to work your way into it

>>8032115
Neat vodka or fuck off

Rum and coke for pure pleb drinks. Get a white rum. Spiced rum is mostly garbage. Golden/dark rums are neat/rocks mostly since they have different flavors to them.

>>8023945
Woke up throwing up. Had to call in sick from work again tonight. I'm pretty sure every will know that I've been drinking again.

>>8032115
try light beers, ciders or shandy's. or mixed drinks like Rum and Coke

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Is this the patrician of Ciders?

>>8032171
Ayy I'm drinking this right now

Also, switch to weed you faggots

>>8032171
strongbow is great but i dont think anyone has ever called it patrician

maybe that stella cider

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>>8032252
I've yet to find a better cider than this one but it's seasonal and local so good luck finding it unless you east coast

>>8031220
>Hennessy
>good
Hennessy is overpriced shitty young cognac. Only worthwhile shit is VSOP or older, black people are retarded for buying 70cl bottles of VS and thinking they're special, no you just bought overpriced shit and now your 40 bucks poorer you dumb cunts.
t. former liquor store worker

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Drinking crown royal reserve tonight, courtesy of my brother who thinks it's better to keep whiskey in the freezer. He's buying so I'm not complaining. I just let mine come up to temperature for a minute

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>>8032445
Pretty good price on this handle though. He bought 4 of those basterds

>>8032453
>280 dollars of syrupy overpriced whiskey

Fuck me.

Started antabuse last week

anxiety through the roof, not enough diazepam

I suppose it's good waking up not shaking in a panic needing a drink

>>8027789
This.

Happens to me a lot when I over drink.

I take one day off a week from drinking but it still hurts

>>8027789
If you need half a bottle of anything to hit your comfort zone it's time to stop m80.

>>8031412
>your taste in everything
wew

>>8032453
>71 bucks for shitty fancy Crown Gargoyle
>when you could've easily bought a Cragganmore or a Highland Park 12 for same or less
You people make me sick

>>8032526
But how do you stop...

Its not that easy man

What foods pair well with a Gin martini?

>>8031412
Pretty douche for growing up in a housing development

I dont feel well. Vomited a bit on the floor last night, have a 30min or so blackout for the first time in years...

>>8031412
so what, you didn't grow.

midlevel, weed only?
i saw some codeine there but it was only rec

>>8023945
I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a drunk.

Lots of brandy right now.

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just got out of detox after being on a two month bender

I told myself I wouldn't go back to this.. every time I do it gets worse..

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>bought this on a whim after 6 years of no drinking. (not a recovering Alcoholic or anything, just never had the urge to drink once I hit 20)
>Chill then crack open, drink
>Pretty good, tastes lke Punched with a slight Vodka aftertaste.
>Read can
> only 30mg of Caffeine

What the fuck, that's less then a can of cola and 10 times less then regular Punched, the king of energy drinks. When did they change the recipe? I wanted that racing heart and drunk and alert brain.

>>8027789
>>8029236
>>8032501
>>8032526

Shit mates. Having bottles of hard liquor on hand fosters dependence/tolerance/withdrawal. Small amounts at a time.

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There's still hope, you haven't really given up until you switch to Busch in order to save the extra fifty cents.

My big thing is the drinking after I get home from the bar. I'll have 3 or 4 drinks at the bar, then come home and I used to drink at least 1/3 of a handle of bourbon on top of what I had at the bar. I didn't drink yesterday which was fine, but I think I'm going to today since I'm bored. My big thing is the boredom and the fact that the people above me are loud and a solid drunk helps me crash and sleep a little more soundly (even if I wake up hungover in the morning). Also, lately I've been cutting back on the drinking at home since I'm really trying to drink slower. Also, I try to eat more when I get back from the bar so after 2 or 3 drinks at home I don't feel even remotely buzzed, I just kind of give up and chalk it up as a loss since I know it'll just be me drinking more and more and probably end up puking without getting to the drunk point that I want to be at.

Kinda a convoluted mess right there, but those are a few of the things I've been doing lately.

>>8023945
>general

>>8029348
This. Stay active one way or the other. Also, work out and get good and sweaty. The runner's high is no substitute for a good drunk, but it's something and will help. And if you're naturally tired, you're less likely to want to get drunk anyway. At least I am.

>>8031222
Is Buchanan's popular among Mexicans? I've noticed all the Buchanan's ads on the trains and buses here in Chicago are in Spanish. Was wondering about that . . .

What's the verdict on a bottle of wine a night?

Fucking full-blown alkie?

Normie housewife level?

Somewhere in between?

I guess its kind of a dumb question for me because when I get to that I rapidly slip down the slippery slope into a bottle and a half or two bottles

>>8034071
Normie housewife level in my opinion. It would depend where you're from though. Cultural norms will determine where on the spectrum you fall. I don't think a bottle of wine a night is all that crazy. Also depends on your tolerance. A bottle of wine wouldn't do jackshit for me, but I'm farther down the road than you and my tolerance is up to pretty ridiculous levels. Although to be fair, it's always been much higher than my friends.

>>8032115

>drinking to be patrician

That's some plebby shit m8

But think about what pallette you already enjoy with non-alcoholic drinks. Try a beer that's unique or local; for fuck's sake please do not drink AB shit (Budweiser, the like). Like other Anon said, try something sweet to start for spirits. I personally enjoyed gin and pineapple juice.

See you on the other side, famalam

>>8032171
Love me some 'bow & 'za

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Went to a tractor show and we were the last ones crushing cans, then came home and played cards with a few more schlities.

Woke up, the factory across the street was doing its "annual picnic," so we just walked over and got some good-ass steak sandwiches and corn on the cob. Open bar, so we got rum chata in our coffee, and there was a keg trailer with all-you-can-drink beer where I had a few Sprechers.

Live music, good food, free booze, and we don't even work there.

God I love Wisconsin.

>>8034582
Sounds pretty fucking awesome.

>>8034582
I am suddenly interested in volleyball.

are we drinking tonight?

help.

guys i'm dying. i mean it. everything hurts, the withdrawals are horrific, my liver is in agony and i'm getting through 2-3 litres of vodka every day. i don't want this any more but i can't stop.

>>8034582
This sounds so fun it hurts my soul.

>>8036412
>>8036412
Go talk to some people dude. You'll die otherwise. It's tough, but just go hit up an AA meeting or see someone. At this point, you have nothing to lose. Stagger in somewhere if you have to, but just talk to some people and spend an hour or so with someone who can help you. AA, psychologist, therapist, whatever it may be.

I hope you get better dude. It'll be a bitch, but people have come out of worse situations before. It's all about the first step. Just have to take that first, proactive step.

Good luck bro. There's an anon out here truly rooting for you.

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On bottle number 3 or 4 at the moment

>>8036442
thankyou anon. omfg the shaking, the sweating, the puking, the shitting... its only 9am, 6 hours since i drank, and i already feel like im going to explode with anxiety from this withdrawal.
does anyone have experience with w/d? the fuck am i about to go through?

>>8025519
Goslings. Ginger beer. Lime.

>>8027789
>>8028096
>>8029236
>>8030305
>>8031111(quads nice)
>>8031257
>>8032045
>>8032161
>>8032474
>>8032756
>>8032788 (dubs nice)
>>8033461
>>8033465
>>8033608
>>8033672
>>8034071
>>8036409
>>8036445
>>8036412
>>8036573
Okay all you lot need to find a doctor who will prescribe Naltrexone to you. Don't give up until you find a real doctor who actually can treat your condition. Naltrexone doesn't prevent drinking, but it prevents your problem which is binge drinking. Don't go to AA. You are not 'spiritually sick' you are 'actually sick' and ninety percent of you will get fixed up by Naltrexone.

In the meantime, prayer.

>>8034582
Nice.

Any more tips for cheap drinking? I usually go with my favorite cheap vodka 5€ for 3/4L and add it to hot tea. Goes straight to your head and gets the buzz going, I feel like I need to drink less for the same effect this way.

anyone got detox/withdrawal stories? i'm only on day 1 and i'm scared.

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>be 25
>drinking lots, but use military enlistment as an excuse
>see drinking as symptom of unhappiness, but getting out in 6 months and applying to colleges
>really hope I stop drinking this heavily when I'm busy with school

It's gonna be rough.

>>8036666

is it normal that my liver has been in agony for about a month? scared. what the fuck have i done.

does anyone know what warning signs i should look out for? am i fucked? i've been getting drunk because im so stressed about it.
>alchie logic

Do you anons withdraw at home alone? How dangerous is it in reality?

can anyone else no longer get drunk on beer? after all these years of vodka, 10 pints of 6% only makes me feel lethargic, not even tipsy ffs

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>>8036708
i know you probably don't want to, but you need to see a doctor

>>8036982
why though? is it really SO dangerous? there are a few people giving accounts of their experiences going cold turkey at home

>>8037003
explaining experiences on youtube, i meant to say.

>>8037003
>is it really SO dangerous?
Only if you consider seizing up and dying dangerous. Taper off and GO TO A DOCTOR.

godspeed anon

>>8026723
fuck that looks good.

>>8025457
>been drinking a few of them every evening
>a few
There's your problem, m8. I just have one bottle each day after I get off work, and call it good there. It helps that I'm a poorfag with a taste for craft beer; one a day is really all I can afford.

>>8037429
I can never only drink 1 though. if I buy 4 cans I'm drinking all 4c. I'm quite pathetic

does anyone here drink as much as me? i do 2-3 litres of vodka a day, current binge is at 11 months. only tend to stop for 1-2 days every few years and i have to get up half way through the night to drink more and stop w/d. my liver is not happy.

>>8037447
sounded like i was bragging. i really wasn't, i'm genuinely curious how you'd all quantify your drinking

On the verge of a pretty bad withdrawal. No money means no booz

>>8037523
how long do you find they last?

I emptied a 6 liters keg of Diebels over the weekend in my Philips Perfect Draft machine.
It's a machine I bought used, and it has trouble keeping the pressure, so the compressor starts buzzing way too often.
Had to empty the keg to do some more in-depth troubleshooting.

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>>8037447
>2-3 litres of vodka a day

doubt this very much

>>8037647
i've been drinking for 23 years. im a 6ft2, 38yo man. yup, 2-3 litres every day.

>>8036664
Maybe, but it'll be for the best dude. I use the fact that I've been traveling for the past year as an excuse. I'm not back into a regular routine with a 9-5 job and stuff yet, so I spend my days procrastinating on the job hunting and hitting the bar and then the bottle back at my place.

At least you have a set schedule and know what you'll be doing. Try and taper off a bit before you start applying and get into school. You don't still wanna be going full bore when you get into school. It's one thing to be hungover or drunk at school once in a while, it's another to be a true alchie. You'll end up missing class or not caring during it and the people in class WILL know you're a boozer which is embarrassing and uncouth.

Until reciently. I drank a handle (1.75 liters) every 24 hours. Totally possible. I am also 6' 6"

Detoxing for me always takes three days to start to feel normal again, and two weeks to really feel the fog lift.

>>8037670
yup, and it's increasing. i had 3 yesterday and had there been a shop open i'd have bought more. i mean, this guy is clearly drunk as shit before he downs a litre of everclear then has a few beers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASBl4aBTfrI
then collapses, but still. yes, some of us really are fucked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2nRWP10HEA

>>8037003
My dad only just found out a month ago that he had terminal liver cancer which has also spreading to his lungs. He went to the doctor because he started getting pains, and that's when he found out. He might make it past Christmas.

Handle a day guy here.

I have detoxed cold turkey and in hospitals many times. The danger is having a sezure with no one around to help you out of it. In the hospital they give you a few valium to lessen the likelyhood of sezure.

Detoxing feels like having a bad flu that you know full well you could cure in under a minute. It is very uncomfortable for the first few days. I always feel gross (many showers helps) have no apitite, and feel really guilty/like killing myself. My heart also beats out of control and I cannot thermoregulate. It sucks, but I know it will pass.

I am three days sober right now with the help of pot. I did it on my own again. I do not want to relapse again, but I also do not want to go to meetings because they are a big empty pitty and false encouragment party.

I wish booze could just vanish from the Earth.

>>8037792
im so sorry anon.
my liver has been in agony for months.
oh god how do we escape this hell? ive been going CT all day, but only made it 14 hours. now that warm, familiar, satanic glow is back inside me.

>>8037849
If I just have a few drinks, will I have to start over?
well. i say 'if'.
ahem.
>chug

>>8037861
If you are a drunk like me, you cannot even have a beer. I do not stop unless forced, or I completly run out of money and am too messed up to steal.

>>8037878
i've only got a 35cl bottle of vodka and there are no shops open at this time on a sunday. it's impossible to get more

>>8037881
There is always a way. I have drank food extracts containg alcohol, mouthwash, and hand sanitizer.

I highly reccomend just taking the discomfort and stopping as soon as you are out.

>>8037861
No, since that's the entire basis around tapering.

>>8037896
it takes A LOT for me to get drunk. my 35cl bottle is gone and im only tipsy and still fucking shaking and sweating like crazy. no source of alcohol. i might buy some heroin.
>>8037900
thankyou anon

>>8037905
It also took me a lot to get drunk... like enough to flat out kill several normal (non-alcoholic) drinkers. You get to a point durring detox where any small amount of alcohol helps.

Any benzo really will help with the shakes and insomnia and fast heartbeat. Other than that, sweat it o ut and you will live so long as you do not have a sezure or stroke out. Your body will actually be in shock.

>>8037905

what's your pulse rate

>>8023945
>flyover beer

>>8032199
>switch to weed
You realize most people likely already use both and would if they didn't already

>>8033553
I think they changed the law on how much caffeine you can put in an alcoholic beverage

>>8036664
The partying opportunities at college will likely keep you pretty drunk

Im thinking of becoming a bartender
Encorage me

>>8038225
you'd be shit at it just like everything else in your life

>>8038232
Jokes on you im amazing at stimulating my own prostate

>>8038159
120

>>8038239

yeah that's high hopefully it will come down under 100 in the next 12 hours

you should really go check your blood pressure too if you can

>>8038300
when does this shit peak? day 2? any idea what im in for?
god dammit fuck this, i FUCKING HATE alcohol.

>>8038342

i went up to 120 bpm after a 4 day binge, drunk the whole time but off of beer...and had been sober for a month or so before that...

for me i didn't sleep for 2 nights

heart rate came down within 24 hours after last drink

mood stabilized on third day and i slept soundly by the third night

everything was better by day 4

your consumption seems higher than mine was at that time, i think you'll see a similar time frame to mine though maybe a bit more extended

>>8038365
>4 day
holy fuck, that's enough to cause this shit? i've been on it for months
oh i'm so fucked
i'm fucked, right?
fuck

>>8038378

no you're not fucked

people have been tapering off of alcohol for centuries

one of the major effects of quitting alcohol is MASSIVE ANXIETY, aka you will make yourself believe that you are going to die

you're not going to die, you're going to sweat and shake and not sleep and maybe see some black spots, big fucking deal.

it's rough sailing but you're gonna make it through just fine

taper as needed with beer

you can always call 911 and be set up with a sweet sweet valium dose that will make all your problems go away but i would advise against that cuz of the medical bills

yeah, you can die though... alcohol is the only known addictive substance that on its own with no external factors, can kill you for quitting cold turkey. Meth herion and coke cannot do that.

>>8038398
how likely is it though? i mean scaring the shit out of someone going through this is going to make it massively worse

>>8030266
I live 15 min west of Pomona. I'm gonna be brewing a milk stout soon.

>>8038405
Read the medical literature. It's highly unlikely. It only kills like 60 year olds with existing health conditions, or like Amy winehouse who was anorexic and had trashed her body with cocaine and crack

Only 5% of detoxing alkies have DT seizures and only like 1% of THAT 5% die.

Don't let yourself get meme frightened.

If you have been drinking enough to get the shakes and anxiety when you stop, you have also likely been living off gas station food and not living in the cleanest conditions. There is real reason to worry.

You will feel worse and worse for about 36-48 hours... then it starts to get better. Your confidence will come back after about 4 days, and if your cocky self does not talk you into a relapse, you will be out of danger for sezures in two weeks.

>>8038415
going to re-read this post several times over the next few days. thanks anon.

>>8038436
Bro...no. If you start to feel better then the seizure risk phase is already past.

Seizures occur when your withdrawal condition worsens and keeps getting worse.

Once the HR and BP stabilize at like day 3 - IF they stabilize- you are in the clear

>>8038451
Fellow recovering drunk bro... you are in the wrong. You are not out of risk for seizures for two weeks. I have been through the medical lit, and down in and out patient, and cold turkey around 30 times. I quit talking shit around the same time I got sober. Just a coimncidence I am sure.

>>8038515

all right, fair enough indeed

just seems weird...you detox, you're fine, you're sleeping well, you're eating, BP and HR are fine...then TWO WEEKS LATER a seizure?

It has to do with brain chemestry and how your body uses alcohol in place normal neuro-processes.

If you make it two weeks, you should be considered safely detoxed. You will still be an alcoholic, but you will not be being physically affected by alcohol.

>>8036624
I was on naltrexone once and I basically just drank straight through it like I wasn't even taking it. For me personally I don't think it did anything.

>>8038544
I tried camprol for aftercare once too... it was supposed to prevent me from being able to get drunk. Nope! just made it slightly more expensive to get drunk.

sorry campral

guys i've had an entire 70cl of vodka and im only tipsy. im not even kidding.
i need help.
ive tried AA and the NHS.
i'm going to go cold turkey again tomorrow. if you lot are at all able to help me, and by that i mean just fucking talk to me, i'd really, really appreciate it. i WILL fucking get off this shit. or at least end this binge, and if you need my help, i'll make certain that i keep checking these threads.
i'm a bit scared.
thanks all.

>>8038739
I will be around tonight and tomorrow evening. I am going into my 4th day sober. Tomorrow I will be back to work after a two week long, handle a day of bottom shelf flechmans vodka bender. I can eat, sleep and shit solid again. The shakes are gone.

I will be around if you need to talk.

>>8038778
thankyou so much. and good luck anon. we'll get through this. we'll live again.

Best advice right now is take a shower and do whatever it takes to not think too much. The anxiety is a bitch.

Start drinking ice water/gatoraid if you can.

>>8032115
whatever your parents buy for ypu and your friends

>>8038792
>not think too much
thread isn't helping too much... except for that one anon who i assume is you.
we've all read the literature. i just crave reassurance.
godspeed understanding anon. ilyalchiebro.

>>8037443
You need help, anon.

>>8038739

i shall be around on my phone at work Pacific Standard Time

god speed sir

you'll be out on the other end feeling good soon enough

>>8038916
Yeah, it's me.

The anxiet and overwhelming thoughts and the hyperawareness of your body as you detox is just shock. You know you could feel way better. You know what could do it. You know it is killing you ten differnt ways, and you halfway care.

You will start feeling better soon. You may feel worse first, but you are not going through this in jail right now. It can, and will be worse... unless you get a new fucking hobby.

Drink lots of ice water and take a lot of showers.

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>>8039033
thankyou anonymous.
here's a random offering of a pic of taylor swift, because i've fuck all else to offer to show my appreciation. im ok right now, 11pm and i've had 70cl so the shakes have fucked off, but they're coming. 6 hours from now and i know how i'm going to feel.
i don't want to do this.
thanks to you, all of you, for making it seem somewhat more achievable.

If you can see the shakes coming, they will hurry up seeing as the surprise is already ruined.

It is the same way you will start feeling instantly better if you decide to find some booze; before you even drink it! Just when you mentally commit to go getting more soon. You will feel better.

Or you will feel like a gross piece of shit for a couple of days, then start to figure out how to repair your life. Take small steps towards being a better, less needy person.

You don't need to be a needy person. You have already proved you can transmute large volumes of poison and turn them into charm and a huge fucking mess. You are a God. You do not need booze.

Sweat it out. Smoke a lot of cigs and pot if you got em. Take many showers and constantly drink ice water.

It could be worse, guys and girls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_prison_sentences
r-r-r-right?

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>tfw exclusively switched to vodka sodas so at least i wont be fat when someone finally finds my body

>>8039300
Wait till you drop the soda. It will come down to the added cost and increased likelyhood of pissing the couch.

Drinking bottom shelf vodka straight out of the plastic handle is when you really know.

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>>8039321
>fisting mr bostons down your throat

yeah seems like it.

>>8039332
>mr. Boston
my nigga

>>8039339
Mr. Boston is fucking disgusting and I have drank gallons of it.

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>>8039321
>when you really know.
feels. i feel them.

How many of you guys have been so weak from withdrawal that you couldn't stand or walk? What has been the worse extent of your hallucinations? I'm deeply curious.

Personally, I've collapsed before. I didn't pass out, but I could barely talk. My girlfriend was on hand to give me a drink, not sure what would have happened otherwise. I used to get dissociation and disturbances in my perception, like I was on mushrooms. I had intense earwigs and every bit of ambient noise sounded like talking or music, sometimes quite vivid. I would get light strobes and morphing patterns, but no vivid visuals, no pink elephants etc.

>>8039413
I have seen movement in anything I stare at, had auditory hallucinations real enough to scare me into jumping up yelling BAH!, and had horrible dreams that were still way better than being awake.

It sucks. We trained our brains to think they need to drink to function. That is why taking away alcohol feels like drowning, or dying and hopless. You are panicking because you are in shock. Your brain is setting off all sorts of alarms.

They will pass and as your nerves come back on line you will shake and feel like shit. That will pass too, and then you will feel beat up and guilty. That will also pass... after that you will mostlikely drink again to test yourself, fail the test worse than ever, and then do everything all over until something in you breaks.

Or, dont drink.

>>8039439
>>8039413
Didn't you guys think about detoxing in a medical setting? There are free clinics that can at least give you some benzodiazepines to make the ride a hell of a lot easier than what you're describing.

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you people are pathetic

I have done both.

I'd rather do it myself. No analysis that I have already done myself, and I get more out of being able to smoke pot and cigs than I do the valium and old magazines read between meatings.

Detox centers are great places to get laid though.

>>8039439
>after that you will mostlikely drink again to test yourself
why almost all the people do that?
it's not a deathwish, I'm sure, but a test?

>>8039468
nice pic. I see you are smelling your own farts and loving it.

>>8039480
It is a test in a sense, but really it is just an excuse.

For me, drinking is always an excuse to avoid something I do not want to face. "I am too drunk to go to work safe... better call in, stay home and keep drinking."

Shit makes sense when you are drunk and can see your alarm is about to go off.

The drink just a little after being sober awhile test will itself just become another excuse. "Well, I fell off the wagon just a little. It felt great, but I know it could feel better so lets keep it going just a little while."

Sound familar to anyone?

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is there like an infographic or something for getting into wine that gets passed around here?

i didn't want to make my own thread, but i also really don't want to google how to get into wine and sift through a bunch of buzzfeed-tier tripe

>>8033678
fucking ads in spanish in murikah?
I see where herr Trump is coming from now

Also 6 or 7th beer today. It's 2am. I'm getting sweaty and tomorrow I have a late shift at the factory.
Cheers fellow drunkards.

>i'll just have a few to ward off w/d
>can't get any more anyway, banned from driving as usual and all shops closed
>some hours later
>spent £60 on a taxi to the ONLY place which sells on a sunday
>on third 70cl bottle of smirnoff
>just got home after laying on my mother's floor crying
ok.

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I went to the dentist in July for the first time in 5 years. I would regularly go a month or more without brushing. I'm a filthy fucking faggot, I know. I had only one cavity which was filled without issue and on my checkup today after regular brushing they told me that my teeth and gums are in healthy condition. They need a whitening or three, but they're not rotting like you'd expect from the kind of neglect I've put them through.

Is it possible that chugging copious amounts of vodka daily actually saved my teeth by killing bacteria responsible for tooth decay?

>>8039548
If you want to ward off withdrawl, use beer. get a case and ration them out over a day and a half. Two the firts hour, one every hour or so after. Start out slamming them, then try to nurse the last 12 as long as you can. It worked for me one time, and was less uncomfortable.

>>8039617
seems plausible. my teeth are in great condition. gums bleed and my teeth may fall the fuck out, but still.

>>8039617
i went 12 yrs. without seeing a dentist. during that time i drank 8-20 beers a day. i brushed and flossed once daily, in the morning before work. at night i was too hammered to brush again. after the 12 years i saw a dentist, i had only one "watch" spot--one potential cavity but not serious enough to treat then. the dentist complimented me on how clean my teeth were. i credit all that on the alcohol killing bacteria, and on my lack of interest in sweets due to booze.

>>8039618
>beer
i can't remember the last time i could feel a single thing from beer. legit can't get enough of it inside me to catch a buzz... but yeah i guess it's more sensible than vodka. i mean im doing this to get sober, not to get drunk.

fuck me. you know you're an alchie when you have to drink 12 beers to get sober.

I found "8 double shots" sounds much worse than "over half of a fifth" to normal drinkers. How do I get into Rum and/or Tequila? Kraken tastes of ass and I don't know if I'm allergic to cactus like my father is.

>>8036624
>Quoting many posts in a thread
>Thinking anyone (or everyone) gives a fuck what you think
>Suggesting prayer

Today I have witnessed the worst fucking poster on this site. Drink bleach retard.

>>8039690
>hating on communicating with a higher power
c'mon man

I have some sort of dissociative feeling which stops me feeling drunk now. I still get drunk, since I can tell by the way I talk and act that I'm more confident, and I generally enjoy things more. But no matter how drunk I get, there's no shift in perception like there used to be. My brain feels like it's in a constantly spaced state, and being drunk only makes me forget. It used to be at least somewhat mind altering for me.

>>8039682
Kraken is awful to start with for Rum. Sailor Jerry I like the few times I drink Rum

>>8039701
Sounds like you are sorta constantly altered, and have been so long it is the new normal.

>>8039701
try a stronger drink?
or drink less? maybe you're just never sober
...or run like hell and escape while you still can

>>8039544
Yeah dude it's really really bad in LA and San Diego

Giant demographic changes are afoot

It's enough to make anybody drink

>>8039701
I had this during a period of very high career related anxiety

Couldn't focus on anything life felt like a dream and booze stopped working

Cue the panic attacks and depression
Somehow snapped out of it

>>8039690
What I liked best about that post was the egregious contradiction

"Don't go to AA you are not spiritually sick"
>but try prayer

>>8039740
Any idea what brought you out of it?

>>8039751
My life settled down into some sort of tolerable order

I toned down my perfectionism and accepted my mediocrity but also got a decent job I cared about

Got rid of a toxic relationship

I dunno this happened at age 24 to 25

I think it was essentially an anxiety disorder or adjustment disorder to the adulthood transition

>>8039697
>c'mon man
No?

>>8039747
Shit, good on you for reading more than I did. Not drunk enough for that shit.

>>8039762
I feel like that's the same thing I'm going through. I'm 23 and it began about 18 months ago. At first it produced panic attacks and crippling anxiety. Now, the edge has been taken off, but that dissociation and mild background anxiety still lingers. I struggle going out in public by myself, last time I sat on a bus without my gf I almost had my first panic attack in about a year. I used ti enjoy weed but can't anymore since it heightens the feeling tenfold and makes me panic.

I could barely even taste food before I got used to this feeling and learned how to focus on it. I'm still working on sex, since overthinking makes it feel weird and pointless and reduces the pleasure considerably.

>>8039818
Honestly classic symptoms of severe anxiety

And you're at exactly the right age for onset, the stresses of real world life and whatnot

Consider an SSRI but it's not that necessary

You're shedding the last of your childhood delusions and innocence.

I've been there though with literally everything you are describing. There's nothing wrong with you and you're not going crazy. It's a reasonable response to this insane world.

Stay strong brother

>>8039818
I had similar experiences at 21, brother. Find some talk therapy if you can through your doc. I'm on SSRIs and they can help, but again, talk to your doc. It can be managed, so don't give in.

>>8039837
>>8039851
I'm understandably terrified of SSRIs or anything of the sort. I started using alcohol to medicate at first, which lead to my alcoholism. I was already a problem drinker so it was an easy transition.

I'm more on top of my drinking now, having not had a bender this year and I'm only drinking one or two nights a week. I still haven't had more than a couple of weeks off in God knows how long though, and so I was hoping someone might say it was alcohol related, that way I could look forward to feeling better after a month or two of abstinence.

It doesn't make me anxious or scared like it used to, just distant and numb. It doesn't hurt in the moment, but the hurt come with waiting day after day to get my soul back. I can't wait to wake up one morning and my eyes to see the world instead of an impression of it, to talk and connect with people instead of automatons, to eat food or have sex without drowning out the pleasure by contemplating what exactly pleasure is. I hate looking at my own girlfriend next to me and seeing only a manifestation of myself.

>>8039935
It's just anxiety and maybe a slight existential crisis

You should always try to cut down on the alcohol of course but the alcohol isn't the root of the problem

>>8039935
>understandably terrified of SSRIs
>but I self medicated with alcohol
Are you fucking retarded?

why does everything fucking hurt when going CT? i feel pain all over the damn place

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$5.39 for a fifth. Can't be beat.

>>8040117

1) That's not a 5th
2) You should be able to find a handle for $11-12

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I'm sliding back into alcoholism after not drinking very much for about 5 months. I fucked up. It won't be as bad this time because I won't have almost unlimited access to alcohol like before

Drinking some of these right now

5am. no sleep. can feel the shakes and the anxiety looming. i think i want to fucking kill myself.

>>8040304
drink more

>>8040316
refuse to. im in a really bad way. my liver is in absolute motherfucking agony, been getting worse for weeks

>>8040111

well alcohol doesnt come with a black-box suicide warning

you can drink alcohol and tell people "i like beer" and they won't bat an eye

you take an antidepressant and say "i'm on celexa" at a party and see how people react

Does anyone get tongue pain? It happens every time I binge and go into withdrawal. As soon as I feel it starting I know I need more booze or the shakes are maybe an hour away. Right at the very back of my mouth, tongue hurts on the far left and right sides, and the whole thing tingles, as do my lips.

>>8038398

Benzos can.

>>8038415
10% of alcoholics develop the DTs on withdrawal and 33% of those who get them die without treatment. Don't bullshit the kid. A friend of my sister's died in his sleep at 24 when he decided to get sober by himself.

I'd highly advise anyone looking to detox to involve a doctor.

>>8040625

I've been "detoxing" and have had some pretty bad DT's, but not bad enough to get to seizures. I've also not done a full day cold turkey and have had benzos and now am on a couple other meds... That said, I've known damn well for a good year that the drinking had gotten REALLY bad. Meaning, if you think you might be an alcoholic and might die if you stop drinking, but aren't sure, you aren't an alcoholic, and you aren't going to die if you stop drinking.

To get to the point where you're part of that 10%, you legit know that you have a problem and you feel like shit most of the day; it's not the kind of thing that all of a sudden sneaks up on you. It takes years of (somewhat) willing self-denial.

>a friend of my sister's died in his sleep at 24 when he decided to get sober by himself

From everything I've heard it's mostly after a couple days of increasingly severe withdrawal symptoms, rather than something that hits you out of nowhere in the middle of the night.

>>8040646
>From everything I've heard it's mostly after a couple days of increasingly severe withdrawal symptoms, rather than something that hits you out of nowhere in the middle of the night.
can anyone confirm this? thanks anon.

my drinking this year has been absolutely insane. this month? near-unbelievable. i think it's fair to say i have a problem. check the fucking month i've had. 'proper' alchies will probably have similar stories. share pls?
>drive car extremely drunk
>insane friend flips out for no reason, grabs keys from ignition
>steering lock engages, i crash
>he runs away screaming "he was trying to kill me!"
>police siren
>fug
>on floor, in armlock
>more than 3 times over the limit, spend night in cells
>go into withdrawal while there
>get migraine too
>shitting and puking constantly, not even toilet paper in cell
>end up in hospital due to w/d
>doc tells me to gtfo because i'd only got out of detox in jan, too expensive, he tells me "just keep drinking"
>finally get home, chug 2 bottles of vodka. bliss
>rage at the fuckhead who made me crash, go out to find him
>punch him out
>police sirens
>another 18 hours in jail, shitting, puking, withdrawal again
>be released, stagger home, barely able to walk
>be mugged
>phone taken. debit card taken. beaten by 4 people until i give them my pin number
>account emptied, pennies remain, no food at home
cont...

>>8040700
>get back, grab cash
>vodka
>realise i haven't slept for days
>collapse as FUCK
>go into withdrawal while unconscious, wake, shops closed, no alcohol
>almost die waiting for shop to open, chug af
>go to friends house
>lunatic former friend is there, drunk and on crack
>he stabs me 4 times in the leg, smashes plate over my head
>limp home
>refuse to leave house, FUCK THIS
>former friend comes round, elbows me in the jaw
>ok, you win
>spend rest of month at parents' place, screaming at them, laying on the floor naked, screaming night after night that ill kill myself, DRUNK AS FUCK 24/7
>go to solicitor
>cab driver takes me to the wrong fucking place, leaves, no phone
>running through the streets desperate, screaming "DOES ANYONE FUCKING KNOW WHERE THE FUCK THIS PLACE IS????" cannot miss this appointment
>2 hours late, start withdrawing, down vodka
>finally find solicitor, pouring with sweat, drunk as fuck, almost in tears, can't speak properly to present mitigating circumstances. told i stand a 30% chance of 6 months inside, second time i've crashed drunk
>entire month at parents' place, petrified, drunk as a motherfucker
>smash plates over my own head, screaming day and night, family threatens to throw me out
>sleep in car... for maybe 10 minutes at a time, then wake screaming
>now consuming 3 litres/day, never go more than 3 hours without chugging hard
>go to court
>be banned for 3 years, fined 4 grand
>thank fuck, i'm free
>get home, drink CONSTANTLY, go into horrific w/d every time i stop for >6hrs
>be now
and that was my month. alcohol is a hell of a drug.

>>8023945
Used to think I was an alcoholic, then realized I was just a loser that drinks to hide to shame.

>>8040700
>>8040704

Nah, it sounds like your problems extent far beyond alcohol.

>>8040739
none of it would have happened if i wasn't on 3 bottles of smirnoff every day.
i wish i had a phone so i could take pics of the charge sheets showing the dates, and the state my face, leg and ribs are in after having the fucking shit kicked out of me. alchies won't doubt that i'm legit. it will rain hellfire down on every aspect of your life.

>>8040646
>From everything I've heard it's mostly after a couple days of increasingly severe withdrawal symptoms, rather than something that hits you out of nowhere in the middle of the night.

Yes. The thing is, the kid was so out of it during his withdrawal that he couldn't even make the decision to go to a hospital, and his father whom he was staying with to detox was and idiot who didn't realize that ethanol withdrawal can be fatal. Again, I would advise that you don't attempt it on your own, because if you get to the point where the DTs may kill you, you may not be cogent enough to seek medical attention.

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Copper

its 10/10

At the least, have someone watching over you.

>tfw
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1472391424774.webm

i just had to put my mattress in the garden. there's no point drying it out yet again. there's only so much urine any bed can take.

>>8040920
there is no-one. i know you'll all say i shouldn't, but i'm going it alone. don't have much choice.
also...
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1472401897424.webm

>>8023945
I just blacked out and woke up and I don't know if a can of pabst on the floor is full off piss or beer...I can't tell by smell, i want to drink it but...

>>8041042
i once accidentally pissed into the jug of booze by my bed instead of the piss jug.
i think we all know what happened next.

>>8041050
i accidentally drank my own piss by mistake a few times, don't want to make the same mistake again, there's a steel reserve can on the floor that I know I pissed in but this full can of pabst idk about.

>>8041064
you dare even think about wasting that alcohol and i'll come drink the damn thing myself

>>8040704
>>8040700

you should consider why you started drinking, and why you keep drinking outside of the wd; you need some therapy m8, you got some skeletons about ye.

>>8040700
>not giving them a fake PIN

>>8041125
I poured it out already, it was clear so it wasn't beer. It's weird how bad beer smells like piss and I cant tell the difference unless I pour a glass and look at it.

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>>8041175
>mfw you've been drinking your own piss for months without realizing it

Having found out yesterday that people suffer heart attacks without obvious symptoms, I'm paranoid I could've had one during my last detox about 8 months ago (still drinking once a week). My heart ached for a while, then i experienced a brief sharp pain from my chest to my shoulder blade. No fatigue beyond normal withdrawal or any breathing problems. No problems since then. I'm probably fine, right?

>>8041287
i imagine people generally tend to know if they've had a heart attack. your pulse was probably racing (tachycardia or whatever it's called) and you probably had palpitations. i'm going CT right now and fucking everything hurts. face, liver, lungs, heart, limbs, the lot.

>>8039521
>Talk to employees and get a general idea of what they like.
>get a few bottles to try
>remember that rating, awards, and price are bullshit

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some german stuff idk anymore
I walk into supermarkets and buy something new every time to check in on the app UNTAPPD

>>8040704
>>8040700
so. yeah. me again. i've just had a phonecall. i'm going to be arrested tomorrow by the looks of it, for something i allegedly did 5 months ago. now looking at 6 months inside. again.

fuck sobriety. i don't even want to live. alcohol may have done this to me, but it'll cure this stress too. im gonna buy 5 litres of smirnoff and slam the fucking lot. hopefully it'll fucking kill me. i cannot believe this is happening again. i can't cope. i can't do withdrawal as well as dealing with this new shit on top of everything. just fucking kill me. "leaving the scene of an accident". two counts.

get fucking sober, anons. i've been drunk for almost 1/4 of a century, and seemingly every single motherfucking thing for which i get into trouble, is massively related to alcohol. alcoholism will bite you hard, just when you thought you were recovering. fucking RUN.
peace, all.

>>8032171
lol no, thats complete piss. are you american

>>8032171
Strongbow is shit. I prefer most cheap shop brand ciders to strongbow.

>>8040723
Same thing

after decades of alcoholism, it now makes sense to me why beer wasn't even classed as alcohol until 2012, and why even children could buy it.

>>8041898
erm, in russia i meant, obv.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14232970

>>8041469
take pics

>>8041898
It was the same in the US and Britain. Low alcohol beer was a staple of the diet.

>>8041982
no. fuck off.

on my way to airport for business right now with a liter of vodka in a Poland Spring bottle. a fee sips now and the rest when I get to my hotel will make me comfy as all fuck until i go to work tomorrow but cocktail hour kicks in at 4PM so.its not so bad

>>8041469
Not Guilty. You always plead not guilty, especially if you did it!

Five days sober (except for pot). I went in to work before 8 AM this morning and put in a full day of very hard labor. I have no shakes or speeding heart, and am anticipating my first good nights sleep in nearly a week. I am sore, but I fucking should be.

Today, I am trying to be less of a selfish prick, and have stopped pretending I do not care if I live or die so I can drink with abandon.

That is what you are doing drunky. You are neither tragic or badass.

Not yet.

Drink ice water and take a shower. Taper with beer if you have to.

>>8037429
I know this feel.

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>start working at a liquor store
>see hardcore alcoholics come through regularly
>tell myself "never reach that point"
>almost always work closing
>get home close to midnight
>pick up a habit of having a beer before bed

is this the beginning?

what would an actual alcoholic come to this gen to talk about? I drink the same shitty bottom shelf whiskey every time I buy booze, who cares

>>8042996
It's basically a feels thread for alkies

Tell us your sorrows

Is that withdrawals guy still here?

>>8042996

Basically AA for people who don't want to leave the house... or quit drinking.

>>8025457
>A few beers every evening
>Alchie

Is this bait?

>>8043013
No it's just some 22 year old with zero mental health issues or life problems

>>8043009
I want to know what his heart rate is by now

>>8042972
As long as it doesn't escalate to more than a couple a night, no it's not a problem.

>>8042996
Alcoholism

>>8043009
>Tell us your sorrows
they're not food/drink related but
>>8043012
that's a good thing I guess. I don't get withdrawals but I have probably drank enough to do permanent damage to myself, its been on average a 1/4 of a large bottle for about 8 years

I'm just holding up well, I might have another decade left

>>8043043
bottle a day*

whoops, that's important

>>8033608
Sounds like progress m8

>>8028096
Brother, I'm here for you.

I'm a veteran that suffers really bad PTSD. I used to drink a handle every 2 days, and destroyed many relationships. I quit drinking and I'll tell you how:

>first, you have to be absolutely sick and tired of being sick and tired
>you have to make sure you're ready to quit. So over drink so you have a terrible hangover the next day
>tell yourself you're done fucking your body up and never want to feel like this again
>before any of this, order phenibut
>remember you have phenibut
>take a dose of phenibut
>your cravings and anxiety will go away
>use phenibut for a few days and it'll literally train your brain to not want alcohol
>stop taking phenibut once the jar is out

It's how I did it. I drank a handle of sailor jerry every two days for 2-3 years. I couldn't be alone with my thoughts if I didn't drink. It terrified me to quit but now I did and everything has been wonderful. Even managed to repair a few relationships.

>>8044938
And realize you'll always be an alcoholic too. It's been over a year since I drank and the other day the thought of having a few drinks sounded amazing. But I persevered just like I know you will.

>>8032083
You are absolutely on a slippery slope. It's one step closer to not being able to do anything without drinking. Drinking in the morning is a massive red flag. I recommend going to AA for help.

>>8032092
Holy fuck please go back to (Reddit. I'm literally begging you.

>>8032474
Order some phenibut.

>>8032083
please be a commercial pilot

>>8037849
Power through. Order some phenibut. Not into that? Try Kratom for more natural. I was really bad like you and needed a supplement to help me. I haven't been in one of these threads for almost a year and it's reminding me how much I hated my state of being. But I know anyone here is capable of getting out if I did it. I'm the laziest mother fucker I know and had a worse drinking problem than my alcoholic father. I thought I was fucked for good.

I drank 11 Stella Artois last night

beer is a meme, 90% of it tastes like carbonated piss

liqour is where its at

>went out with friends last night
>Had a citradelic

Was amazing

>>8045685
>not drinking 15 cans of Stella

I'm not as heavy a drinker as some of you, but sometimes if I stop drinking for a few days I get this strange feeling in my teeth at night. It usually goes away when I have a beer.

>>8044687
Yea, it is... Didn't drink yesterday and doing my damndest not to drink until Thursday when I have some buddies visiting. Having trouble falling asleep, but if that's the price for abstaining for a few days, I'll take it.

>>8044938
Kudos bro. Definitely not easy, but keep it up!

Also, thanks for your service. I've dealt with some PTSD patients and been to a number of seminars and charities to raise money for PTSD and have spoken with a lot of vets. It's definitely tough, especially depending where you are on the spectrum. Wrote my senior thesis paper on alternative treatments for PTSD that don't involve just throwing opioids at the vets.

Cheers and thanks again for your service.

>>8045779
Just drank for four nights in a row I think I need to stop again it's already escalating each night

At least it was just beer I don't think my BAC spiked too high

>>8039106
>It is the same way you will start feeling instantly better if you decide to find some booze; before you even drink it! Just when you mentally commit to go getting more soon. You will feel better.

Ain't it true? I've always been amazed by this. Just the decision to drink when I wasn't going to before somehow makes me feel 100% better.

>>8039033
>Drink lots of ice water and take a lot of showers

Alchbros why is this recommended?

Jflimg Christ Im such an idiot OK so I go to a family funeral drunk pass out wake up people are mad I start shouting and they kick me out I fucking take my brothers keys and wallet. I throw his wallet in trash randomly (didn't remember doing thst) and fuckin take his car to go home and now I hear my fuckingfamil is going to tell police and have me chatged woth gramdtheft fuckim just sittjnghieree drinking and cradling a 45 just thinking about life I CAnt STOP HOW DO I STOP

>>8046289
lmfao

>>8046289
Bro what...are you the guy from earlier?

>>8046327

http://www.regionstrauma.org/blogs/ciwa.pdf

Post your withdrawal scores boys

I'm surprisingly only at like a 5 thank god

>>8046391
According to that chart, scoring 2/7 in each category qualifies as "severe withdrawal". Plus some of the categories are pretty hard to judge. My hands tend to shake more when retracted than when extended.

>>8046722
True but 2/7 orientation means you don't know the date and 2/7 auditory means you are startled by hallucinated sounds...

>>8039740
How did you get out of it? This everything feeling like a dream is weird. It's weird you posted that. I feel like I need to get out but I can't. I'm constantly ruining my life too and I'm starting to fuck over my friends.

>>8047076
I posted a little below that one about my story

Basically a more stable life situation and a better accepting attitude and found an antidepressant that works

About 5 days sober and on the brink of relapse due to being exhausted from lack of sleep/long work hours and being ungodly irritable and depressed.

What the hell do I do to not give in?

>>8047246
have a drink pussy

>>8047246
You could order three massive combo meals with fries and shakes so you literally cannot consume alcohol

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>>8047278
I can't even do that. Live out in the boonies and everything is fucking closed other than the liquor store.

I'm so tired. I just want to sleep.

>>8047260
Easy to say that, but 8-9 years of heavy drinking has wreaked havoc on my health, life and relationships.

>>8047301

put a hairbrush handle up your ass and jack off to thai ladyboy porn for 6 hours

we've got a long night of drinking ahead of us boys

>>8047435
yeah we do

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Question to more experienced al/ck/ooks:

How do I combine drinking and staying reasonably thin?

I am in my first year or two of regular drinking and I actually grew capable of maintaing life while being a drunk (or rather bear life so far via the magic of booze).

The only thing that makes this a serious problem is the fear of turning into a fat fuck. Trough all my life I managed to stay thin without too much of an effort, but I'm pretty sure that continous drinking might change that easily, and what's worse - irreversibly.

Is the progress of turning in that disgusting shape dependable on the type of alcohol? I generaly stick to beer which I assume is the worst option in terms of calories, though I sometimes swith to vodka when things get tough.

What is the best course of action to avoid gaining weight while sustaining the regular drinking program?

>>8047408
hmmm

>>8047777
It's easy just stop eating

>>8047777

drink liqour/wine

avoid beer for your life

>>8047777

It's impossible to avoid weight gain while drinking alcohol. Anyone who tells you otherwise is bullshitting you. Alcohol contains a ton of calories and in addition to that your body uses the alcohol for energy before food, so anything you eat while drinking turns straight into fat.

There are no shortcuts. I run 30 miles per week as a self-imposed punishment for my alcoholism. It is the exact opposite of fun but I do it because I don't want to get any fatter than I am already.

I never lost weight when I was sober either because I ended up craving sugary, fatty foods.

>>8047435

300ml into polishing off my dewar so I can order a tomatin 12 yr come friday

>>8047796
fuck yeah buddy

>>8047792

steel-cut oats 4 breakfest, or coffee helps with it

>>8047808

i heard coffee protected the liver too?

>>8047803

Im excited, tomatin is the cheapest 12yr in my state. Runs about 36$ for a fifth

>>8047816
>>8047796

the label looks ghetto on that tomatin

>>8047246

Willpower. Find it, somehow. I know this might not be helpful, but i'm just being realistic. Everyone that quits experiences exactly what you are going through. I definitely did.

Just curious, have you been to a doctor for a checkup to see where you're at? It also helps to be honest with them. Oftentimes they can/will prescribe something to help you sleep and make sure you don't have seizures.

.5 mg of xanax a night for 3 weeks helped me get back to a normal sleep schedule. The hardest part was the depression.

>>8047816
some mafaka bought me lagavulin 16yr for my birthday so im having a bit of that with a 24 of moosehead beer. lagavulin tastes like a fire its cool. would never buy it myself though

>>8047813

Coffees great since it suppresses the appetite.
Even better would be brewing coffee and vac bottling it at lunch time to drink and having steel cut oats for breakfest.

If you can handle no sugar coffee, you can have a bretty big dinner and still be alright fitness wise

>>8047820

probably, like I said its the cheapest single malt available. Aucheston or whatever is the next cheapest in american oak casks.

>>8047825

my birthday is in november, so I am thinking about buying a nice bottle then for my birthday

>>8047822

benzo's are an alkies best friend and truest love

too bad tolerance fucks me so bad

i take .5 a night for a week and like clockwork i need 1 mg, then 2 mg, then it's over

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>Drink six beers while jacking off
>pass out
>wake up early next morning because of mild hangover
>realize there's a puddle of liquid on my floor
>it's piss
>vaguely recall I stood up last night and had a distant pissing sensation, before taking off my shorts and going to bed
>rush to mop it up and put my clothes in the wash before my family wakes up
>just barely make it and get in the shower in time

I'm not an alcoholic because I only drink on occasion, but when I do drink, I'm an extremely impulsive drunk whose only goal is to get as degenerate and shitfaced as possible. I tried switching to beers because I was sick of barfing from drinking rum straight from the bottle, but then this happens. kek.

>>8048060

wow six beers

kill yourself

>sorry im just an out-of-control alcoholic trying to compensate for my problem by making fun of people with less of a drinking problem

love you man

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Where can I buy Hennessey cheap? Costco?

>>8048060
>6 beers and pissing yourself
geez, what a guy

>>8047777
Just watch your calories. I drink fairly reguarly, and ever since I started watching my calories I've lost a good amount of weight. The only issue is a beer can be in the range of 200-300, so drinking more than 1 a day is basically out of the question.

>>8048099

NIGGER WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE

CAN'T DRINK MORE THAN ONE BEER A DAY AND POSTING IN THE ALCOHOLIC THREAD

GET OFF MY BOARD

GET OFF MY BOARD

CUNT COCKSUCKER

>sorry nothing personal really

hey everyone its joey from joey's super cool food reviews IM BACK

>>8048141

now that's my nigger what's good brother

>>8048143
drinkin

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>>8048060
>6 beers

pffft hahaha

>quit drinking
>hours of laying awake at night sweating and panicking with my heart feeling like it's going to explode
>know slamming some shots would put me right to bed
>eventually give in
>the feeling of mixed shame, warmth, relief, comfort all hits me at once

It's a feeling few truly know, except you my brothers.

>>8048055

then stop taking them once you're fully weaned off alcohol? that's what I did.

>>8047246
Bro, don't do it (if you haven't already). I was sober for two and a half months, and my life had never been better. Then thought I could handle getting drunk once a week. Just once a week, that should work, right? And I've gone two and a half months, so why can't I go six days a week? Well, that immediately turned terrifying bender and heart palpitations, sweats, screaming in my sleep to wake the neighbors . .

I was able to stop again, thankfully, and promised not to drink again for at least two or three months. Made it to this past weekend and decided to test it again. Just weekend drinking, right? Well, overdrafted my checking account, destroyed a new carpet in my apartment, made a gash in my forehead that bled like crazy (thank God I wasn't passed out at that point), missed two days of work at a time when my bosses are already not too pleased with me.

I'm starting antabuse again today. I'm not going to trust myself to even think about drinking for a while. . . .

Anyway, bro, it's not worth it.

>>8047813
It does. It almost completely undoes the harm to your liver done by alcohol if you drink enough of it. Have no idea how that works, but apparently it does. That being said, there are a hell of a lot of other maladies alcohol causes that it won't save you from, including heart problems. I'm probably on the verge of a heart attack if I go off the wagon a few more times. But year, if you drink tons of coffee, your liver is fine.

Got three little airplane bottles of stoli in my blazer pockets at the office today

>>8047822
>>8048878
I actually ended up sitting there and thinking about it for a bit. I remembered all the other times I tried to quit and failed and how MUCH I fucking regretted it the next morning.

Needless to say I didn't drink and I'm fucking glad I didn't because it resulted in a pretty good night that would have otherwise been fucking ruined to hell and back with booze.

It's shit like this is why these threads are awesome. You guys just fucking get it.

Also to >>8048878

Shit man, that's fucked. Hope you're able to make it through it again because yeah, like you said, it's in no way in hell worth it.

thread is going to 404.
i love you guys. be well.
>chug

i had to BEG the shop to let me pay later. i'm ok now.
godspeed.
>chug

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>>8039521
something like this?

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>>8047777
Low carb diet, only drink spirits with diet mixers.

I lost two stone (28 pounds) doing this a couple of years ago.

Breakfast - a couple of boiled eggs and a couple of good quality hotdog sausages, or three or four boiled eggs depending what you like/whats in the fridge

Lunch - 300g - 400g lean ham/chicken with half a cucumber and some bell pepper

Evening meal - one or two pork or lamb chops, or a steak or a chicken breast grilled on the George Foreman. Serve with broccoli, courgette, bell peppers or salad.

To drink - whiskey, rum, gin or vodka, (minimum 37.5% abv) neat or with a diet mixer.

If you stick to a high protein, low carb diet, you will find you often get home and aren't hungry in the evening. By all means skip your evening meal and just have an extra gin and slimline tonic instead.

THIS IS CRUCIAL. this is not a diet you can "cheat" on. You need to get good at looking at packaging and checking the grams of carbs per 100g of food. Google will help you for unpackaged food like veggies etc.

DO NOT EAT ANY FOOD THAT EXCEEDS *5g of Carbs per 100g of food* EVER.

If you're not sure. Do not eat it.
If it's processed meat (burgers, sausages, chicken bites, meatballs, meatloaf, whatever) and you haven't seen the ingredients and carbs, Do not eat it. (often processed products have rusk and other fillers added to make the meat go further that pushes the carbs up above 10g per 100g)
If it's just a bite of someone else's hash brown. Do not eat it.
If a McMuffin would help your hangover. Do. Not Eat. It.

Google LCHF (or low carb, high fat) for recipe ideas, or Atkins Induction Phase. But stick to the rules above. No alcohol apart from spirits (you may read that some wine is ok. It isn't) Nothing to eat with carbs above 5g per 100g. And as much as possible, stick to lean meat, grilled with salad or the veggies listed above.

Last but not least, buy a decent daily multivitamin that will meet all your vitamin and mineral needs including iron.