Wtf I hate Nutella now

>>7979692
In case you were wondering, things that taste sweet tend to have sugar in them.

>low fat cocoa
wut

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>not buying Nocciolata

>>7979692
If you did one of these for your moms ass it's be like 90% my dick.

I was hyped for this when I first tried it, but the oil is really fucking awful. It's literally a really fucking slick and wet cake frosting.

What about that could possibly be surprising to you? Do you even cook?

>>7979692
>mfw Soccer mom think nutella is healthier for their kids than cereal just because it has hazelnuts

(￣□￣;)

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>>7979711
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>7979692
Nutella was always diabeetus: the spread

>>7979692
Well based on nutella consistency alone I always assumed it was at least half sugar.
That fancy gelato you love so much is pretty much the same

>>7979711
you really had to shoehorn that joke in there.

in b4 shoehorning stuff into your mom etc.>>7979711

source?

>>7979711
xDDD

>amerifats surprised

>>7980602
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutella#Class_action_lawsuit

>>7979773
It's only about 5% fat and 12-13% added sugar.
What are you on about?
American ice cream has far more fat and added sugar than Italian ice cream yet is paradoxically less tasty.

>>7979710
I like you.

>>7979692

Do you still like preserves?

>>7979710

160g of sugar in the 270g pot too, meh.

>>7979692
YOU couln'dt tell that it's mostly sugar and has weird texture due to the palm oil?

>>7979698
Yeah, but that's a LOT of sugar, few things have as much sugar per volume as nutella does

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>>7979710
>18g sugar in a 34g serving

lol I ruined Nutella for my girlfriend when I told her it was just palm oil, sugar, and a bit of cocoa and hazelnuts.

I love how they convinced people it was a healthy part of breakfast.

>>7982064
What the fuck?
Do people think nutella is actually healthy?

>>7982072
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nutella-health-claims-net-305-million-settlement-in-class-action-lawsuit/

>>7982045
Typically you don't use too much Nutella in what you're cooking, or if you're using half or the whole jar, you're more than likely splitting the dessert into smaller pieces when it's finished. It really isn't that bad. Unless you're a fatass and eat the whole thing yourself in one or two sittings it won't kill you.

>>7982072
The advertising for it has been on point

>>7982081
Fair, personally I can't stand the stuff straight up, even in small amounts, just too damn sweet. I've had good deserts with it used though.

>>7980678
144g

>>7979692
I work at a Nutella Café and we are encouraged by the brand not to comment on palm oil and sugar content.

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As a kid I never ate nutella despite loving chocolate in a not-entirely platonic way. I finally bought a jar one time and when I tasted it I instantly associated it with canned frosting in taste and texture.

Apart from the corn syrup and hazelnuts, it IS frosting.

>>7979692
Question: Why does US Nutella taste so much worse than European Nutella?

>>7982064
It's not a healthy breakfast but none of the ingredients are particularly bad unless you consume the whole thing in one sitting.

>>7982992
There's a very real chance that it's because the Yurop version has transfats:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/nutella-imported-vs-domestic-is-there-a-difference/2014/05/30/3fe79e68-e5bb-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html

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PB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...>>>>>dog shit>>>>>>>>>>>nutella

>>7983258
So peanut butter is just really salty nuts?

>>7983276
Depends on whether or not you get organic PB or not, but generally it's almost exactly the same

Obviously organic is gonna be less salty and sugary than one with preservatives in it though

>>7983297
>Obviously organic is gonna be less salty and sugary than one with preservatives in it though
That's not true at all. Why do you people make ridiculous statements like that?

>>7979710

>ingredients
>same fucking ingredients as op's pic for nutella

What's your point?

>>7983325
but not organic.

>>7983334
Organic is a meme

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>>7983334
Organic doesn't count when it's garbage that's pure calories. It's not even organic lard which at least has lotsa extra vitamin D.

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>>7983312
Except it literally is true

>>7979729
just like camping dads think ginger ale is healthier than cola because... I don't know why

>>7983392
Now do that for every variety of organic versus non-organic peanut butter instead of just pretending that a single sample proves your general statement is correct.

>>7983337
>>7983389
niglets, I'm not saying organic is special. homeskillet said that it's the same shit. It's not. One's organically sourced and the other isn't. That's the big difference between the two products.

>>7979692
>>7979764
>>7980602
HEY! At least it's GLUTEN FREE! Why do you have to persecute the gluten free candy spread?

>>7983396
Organic mainly means it has more nutrients. That means jack shit for ingredients that have no nutritional worth. And it makes a difference for things like Peaches, Apples and Lettuce which would otherwise have lots of pesticide on them, and same thing but far moreso for meat which takes those pesticides, and cram it together more and more like a battery.

>>7983431
That's some high quality bullshit friend. Do you work at a healthfood store?

>>7983408
What kind of a retarded monkey assumes that 'gluten free' automatically implies 'good for you'?

That label is only there to let certain people know that they can eat that product. Whether they SHOULD eat that product is an entirely different matter.

>vegan
>not vegan
Is any of this sinking in yet?

>>7983392
I hate to break it to you brah, but organic peanut butter is the LAST thing you want to be buying for your health.

There are moulds on peanuts (Aspergillus flavus and Aspergillus parasiticus), which grow in soil. If you have moist peanuts being stored without fungicide, then you seriously run the risk of poisoning yourself with toxins they make called aflatoxins. They are seriously bad for human health, to the point they have been weaponized for bio-weapons and damage your liver mainly, but have been associated with everything from liver cancer to stunted growth.

Organic peanut butter is the number one source of exposure in humans.

So have fun with your 'healthy' peanut butter.

Preservatives and pesticides exist for a reason dumbass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aflatoxin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_biological_weapons_program

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5334a4.htm

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>>7983396
BTFO retard

>>7983431
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/organic-food-no-more-nutritious-than-conventionally-grown-food-201209055264

I am going to take Harvard's advice over a stranger on an inuit ice carving enthusiast newsletter.

>>7983464
How does that stuff survive the roasting?

>>7983475
There's only 8 different peanut butters on the market?

Shit, aren't there like five different kinds of Jiff alone?

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>>7983464
>they make bio-weapons out of fucking peanut butter

>>7983482
Dunno amerilard you tell me, you've already been BTFO so what does it matter

>>7983479
Oh, well, that justifies your organic candy spread just so brilliantly!

>>7983486
Hmm...so there's 13 different kinds of Skippy peanutbutter.
http://www.peanutbutter.com/products.php

I'm curious, what exactly do you think BTFO means? Because that general statement still is factually incorrect.

>>7983464
>There are moulds on peanuts (Aspergillus flavus and Aspergillus parasiticus), which grow in soil. If you have moist peanuts being stored without fungicide, then you seriously run the risk of poisoning yourself with toxins they make called aflatoxins. They are seriously bad for human health, to the point they have been weaponized for bio-weapons and damage your liver mainly, but have been associated with everything from liver cancer to stunted growth.
Thankfully mycotoxins such as aflatoxin are rigorously tested in first world countries and exposure is minimized.

I am a PhD candidate in a lab renowned for research of mycotoxigenic fungi. Mycotoxins are serious but if the product is from N. America you don't have to worry.

I'd be more worried about corn products from Mexico.

>>7983464
>t. monsanto propagandist

>>7983483
>that is what I said

Reading comprehension no too sharp their buddy?

I said Aflatoxins are dangerous enough to be engineered into bio-weapons.

I said nothing about making it from peanut butter, though the same fungi are used.

>>7983481
The fungi won't. The toxins are formed during storage before roasting and can survive the process.

>>7983453
Okay, okay, fine asshole! Fuck you! There have have it your way, I fucking GOT IT, it oughta be organic, gluten free, AND vegan! Fine, smartass! So the skim milk powder needs to be replaced with soy milk powder. Do it faggot!

>>7983496
And if the peanuts were grown in a third world shithole before being processed in the US?

Is every shipment tested?

>>7983488
No, I haven't been shilling for Nutella at all. I like it, but it is unhealthy so I eat it in moderation and very rarely buy it.

>>7983502
>knowing about possible threats to food supply makes me a shill

Shouldn't you be on /pol/ writing
>$0.02 has been deposited in your account
You vapid cretin.

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>>7983496
Aren't you the same anon that typed pic related, or was at least in the thread?

>>7983516
Yes, shipments are tested to meet import requirements. EU requirements are exceedingly strict to "protect the public" but it is really a protectionist measure. Unfortunately, warming climate means they are finding lots more fumonisin in areas where it was historically absent.

Mycotoxins are a serious public health issue and governments with their shit together do not mess around with this. America isn't going to import aflatoxin-laden peanuts from African countries or other places known to have issues. They test.

>>7983528
yeah that was me.

>>7983537
Didn't some dogs die a few years ago from imported peanuts used n their feed?

And the point is that the risk is increased with organic, vs traditional crops treated with fungicides.

Would you disagree with this statement?

>>7983528
I mean this statement ws presumably prompted by the 2013 outbreak in yurope, including farms in the netherlands right?

And in the same year wasn't there also a recall of dogfood from a Kansas processing site?

I just seriously doubt it is worth taking the risk for no benefit whatsoever, outside of feeling like a smug hipster who doesn't into food science that is.

>>7983542
Neat. As soon as I read your post I thought you were the same guy from before. Do you think going into mycology-related fields is a good idea? Your posts made me interested in it.

>>7983561
>Didn't some dogs die a few years ago from imported peanuts used n their feed?
Pet food regulations aren't the same as those for people. It's shitty but true, that's why I buy high-quality, grain-free dog food.

>And the point is that the risk is increased with organic, vs traditional crops treated with fungicides.
I'm not very familiar with peanut cultivation, harvest, and processing methods. It depends on the fungicides used, when they are applied, if they sufficient residues exist when stored, etc.

I am not aware of aflatoxin levels in conventional versus organic peanuts, it's worth looking at in Google Scholar. Conceivably, post-harvest fungicide application should keep contamination and subsequently mycotoxin levels down.

It's clearly not a perfect system, I mean look at all the outbreaks going on and things associated with Chinese products. I personally don't worry about mycotoxin exposure from products originating from N. America, although I don't eat many peanut-containing products.

The more south you go, the more you are going to find aflatoxin issues. Aspergillius typically like warm climates.

>>7983588
I'll be defending my PhD shortly. Honestly, I'm pretty jaded and stressed at this point, so I'm not my normal optimistic self.

I love my field and my work, but being in a small field means less competition but of course less job opportunities. The job market overall is pretty weak, so I'm expecting at least 1-2 years of post-docs before I find a permanent job.

Going into research often means you are in a job market that is dictated by job openings. I'm ambitious and hungry, so if I want to get a research position I can't just knock on doors or network.

If I want to do research, I'm basically limited to government or academia. Of course you can find your own niche or go the private route (e.g.: Ecovations).

That's totally end-of-PhD pessimism talking, but it is something to really consider when thinking of going down this route. All the education then some years of post-doc and maybe you'll get a good research job. I'm not in it for the money or my health, but some security or light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel would be a bit more reassuring.

That said, I really do love what I do. Cancer research sells itself, but it is kind of fun to sell my research and its importance to people who are basically ignorant about all things fungi. Our world and society is shaped immensely by fungi, but most people know nothing about them.

>>7983588
I'm going to go to sleep but feel free to ask some more questions if you are interested and I'll check this thread tomorrow.

>>7983593
>>7983606
Keep at it bro. I am sure you will find something.

With the increased interest in non-pasturised fermented products etc. I could see some work in the private sector and at least you will know you have the intellectual horse power to do a PhD...

>>7983618
Since most fungus (and bacteria) thrive in warmer climates, are there any that thrive in colder climates? If not, does fungus growth work the same as bacteria growth (as in it slows down the colder it gets, then dies/stops once it hits a certain temperature)?

Is there no way to get rid of toxins once they're created by the fungus? Do you have to get rid of the entire batch once the toxins are present? (I know it's a given for food products, but what about other things? Using the peanuts from above, for example: if you have a rectangular bin of peanuts, and you discover Aspergillus on the far end of the bin of peanuts (say, 1/3). Can you simply remove that third and a portion of the peanuts next to the third and use the remaining peanuts? Or does it not work like that?)

Are there certain foods and products you avoid, due to how easy it can be contaminated or how screwed you are if you happen to get an (extremely unlikely) contaminated batch (like garlic preserved in oil and botulism)?

How do you feel about home canning and safety concerning avoiding contamination? Are you already screwed if you get unlucky enough to get contaminated food product and can it?

What's you opinion on all of the outbreaks that have been happening in the past few years? Too many? Unlikely/rare happenings? Processors/producers are negligent/lazy with upkeep?

Are there certain food products to avoid completely or as much as possible when travelling to certain countries due to the likelihood of contamination?

I thought that pet food was more strictly regulated than human food due to animals being more 'sensitive' to fungus/bacteria/toxins?

Are you more paranoid with food due to how much you know?

Do you like Nutella?

It's a shame there isn't more for fields that are incredibly important to us, but it's good to know that people who care (not sure how to put that) are in those fields and that you love your work.

>>7983618
I've recently been keeping a giant bowl of pistachios on my TV table, like several pounds of pistachios. It might take me a few months to eat them, will i get the asperger toxins if I take too long?

>>7982910
Any interesting stories?

>>7983618
I don't have any questions, I would just like you to drop some mad shit in here and be interesting some more

i have never eaten nutella,how does it taste?its impossibloe to find where i live

>>7982072
yes iirc the ads focus on the milk powder and nuts as nourishing ingredients. people really do believe what commercials tell them.

>>7979709
>grind cocoa beans
>press out pulp go get cocoa butter
>remaining briquette is cocoa powder

The cocoa butter is used in chocolate production and other things. The cocoa powder is what you put into your milk as a child.

>>7983389
I should cook with lard more..

>>7979692
At no point could you ever have actually believed nutella wasnt the worst thing for you ever

>>7982064
Well wtf else did she think it was made of? Why didn't she just check the ingredients?
This entire thread makes my head hurt
I used to love nutella as a young kid but after I turned like 15 I realised there are better ways to enjoy hazelnuts and chocolate without the taste being ruined by a truckload of sugar and weirdly-textured grease. I don't mean to sound like some kind of snob but I refuse to believe there are adult humans who can't detect that nutella is 90 % sugar and grease by tasting it and actually need someone to "surprise" them by breaking the "news".

>>7982992
Imo the EU version is thinner and the taste of hazelnut is more clear. The US version actually just tastes like pure frosting. I can't make out the hazelnut flavour at all and even the chocolate flavour is completely overwhelmed by the sugar and grease.
I have seen it claimed that the EU version is sweeter or more chocolatey, though I disagree. Buzzfeed made video challenging Italians and Americans to taste both Italian nutella and usa nutella and guess which is which. A surprising amount of people couldn't tell (even italians) or were saying the italian version was sweeter or more chocolatey and therefore guessing it to be the usa version, but others claimed usa nutella was sweeter. But I think the difference is very clear. I always liked EU nutella better even when I was too young to know whether or not EU food is "supposed" to taste better, before anyone accuses me of just imagining the difference.

>>7983926
Like frosting. At least in USA. If you want to taste how nutella tastes without the shitty parts/how it SHOULD taste, just grind up some hazelnuts and add cocoa powder, milk, and just a bit of sugar. Therr are recipes online for "healthy" or "homemade" nutella.

>>7983453
He was kidding
the amount of shit I'm starting to see "gluten free" on is getting ridiculous though. I saw it on fucking coconut milk. I mean do companies not expect people with allergies to gluten to at least know what it is and where it would reasonably be found? Or is it more like a "handled in gluten-free facility" certification?

>>7983699
Not him but bacteria that thrive in the cold are called psychrophiles.

>>7983325
Obviously it tastes better you fucking moron.

Also, it's "you're".

>>7984526
>Or is it more like a "handled in gluten-free facility" certification?

http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/GuidanceDocumentsRegulatoryInformation/Allergens/ucm362880.htm
>"gluten-free" [is defined] as meaning that the food either is inherently gluten free; or does not contain an ingredient that is: 1) a gluten-containing grain (e.g., spelt wheat); 2) derived from a gluten-containing grain that has not been processed to remove gluten (e.g., wheat flour); or 3) derived from a gluten-containing grain that has been processed to remove gluten (e.g., wheat starch), if the use of that ingredient results in the presence of 20 parts per million (ppm) or more gluten in the food. Also, any unavoidable presence of gluten in the food must be less than 20 ppm.
That very last line suggests that gluten may be present in the facility that manufactures the product. So, nope.

Why does this label bother you?

>>7983699
Just a quick one:
>Since most fungus (and bacteria) thrive in warmer climates, are there any that thrive in colder climates?
Of course, lots of diversity in the northern hemisphere. The fungus that causes white nose disease in bats, Pseudogymnoascus destructans, is psychrophilic and won't even grow at room temperature. Makes it well suited for bat caves in northern climates and thankfully restricts its spread to S. America.

>Is there no way to get rid of toxins once they're created by the fungus? Do you have to get rid of the entire batch once the toxins are present?
It is no longer legal to "dilute" contaminated foods, e.g.: adding clean wheat to contaminated wheat to get below the maximum level.

I'm not sure about what precisely goes on at the storage end, e.g.: your bin example. I'll ask my supervisor about this, he probably has an idea.

>Are there certain foods and products you avoid
I'm pretty relaxed about it and not paranoid at all. I avoid Made In China products and Mexican corn products, but that's about it. I used to do a lot of canning and was pretty careful with the whole process.

>I thought that pet food was more strictly regulated than human food due to animals being more 'sensitive' to fungus/bacteria/toxins?
Pet foods are regulated but not more than human food, for example there is no requirement that pet foods have pre-market FDA approval. In Canada the situation is worse - animal foods are basically unregulated from a mycotoxin perspective (the public is unaware of this). But you are right, dogs are more sensitive to aflatoxin but are still regulated at the limit for human foods (20 PPB). Of course it is considered unethical to do mycotoxin sensitivity tests on dogs by the general public, so that makes it difficult to update our disease models.

Heat can destroy some mycotoxins, but the general strategy is exposure mitigation, preventing it from being a problem in the first place.

Isn't palm oil pretty bad for you? Vegetable oils usually are.

>>7984704
>I'm pretty relaxed about it and not paranoid at all. I avoid Made In China products and Mexican corn products, but that's about it. I used to do a lot of canning and was pretty careful with the whole process.
I avoid Made in China too, but you do realize mexican corn is the last of the non-gmo corn in the world, right? Why are you shunning it?

>mycotoxin
it's a pretty difficult issue with parrot feed too. I have a pocket theory that modern peanut processing is including this in PB, such that we have more allergies today.

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>this whole thread

>>7984505
>If you want to taste how nutella tastes without the shitty parts/how it SHOULD taste, just grind up some hazelnuts and add cocoa powder, milk, and just a bit of sugar. Therr are recipes online for "healthy" or "homemade" nutella.
Nigger, I know you're full of self-loathing and really, really want to hate the fuck out of the US and everything it does, but:
>Nutella tastes exactly like it should.
There's a very, very good chance that the only difference between the EU and US one is that the EU one has transfats in it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/nutella-imported-vs-domestic-is-there-a-difference/2014/05/30/3fe79e68-e5bb-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html
Shit like the amount of sugar is UNCHANGED.
>the difference between the two is very small
It's noticeable, but it's not as great as many of you want it to be.

>Shit was never supposed to be healthy.
It SHOULD taste like it tastes. You're not getting some kind of "authentic" taste/reducing the "shitty" (same fucking shit numbnuts) ingredients by doing it a different way.

Goddamn you're dumb.

>>7984850
>I avoid Made in China too, but you do realize mexican corn is the last of the non-gmo corn in the world, right? Why are you shunning it?
Fuck you're stupid. You've allowed yourself to fall so hard for the bullshit that allows people to charge a premium price for a substandard staple.

Think on this, long and hard. You're paying a premium price for a shitty version of a staple grain. You've been had guy.

>>7983475
natural is not the same thing as organic.
Honestly, there are organic peanut butters that also add sugar and salt. There are non-organic (the natural peanut butters you listed) that use less sugar and salt. There are peanut butters that have all kinds of preservatives etc added, and there are some that don't.

Really it is not the organic aspect of the product, but the ingredients in the product which are changing the sodium and sugar content of these labels. Organic just means there are certain pesticides farmers are not allowed to use. They can still use organic pesticides, etc.

>>7979710

This probably tastes amazing

>>7985131
That probably tastes exactly like nutella.

>>7983483
fucking dumbass, you deserve your mold poison

>>7985142

Him being a sex offender is what really was the nail in the coffin for me.

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nutellafags on suicide watch

>>7985165
Sex offender? Did he rape the witch at the gingerbread house because the house wasn't deep fried?

>>7985170

http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/CA1869429002944/Ralph-Joseph-Hernandez.html

>>7984704
Thanks for answering my questions! A couple questions related to your response on dog food: Why is it considered unethical to do mycotoxin sensitivity tests on dogs? Is it because doing it is along the lines of deliberately poisoning the dogs with it? I mean, isn't it more unethical to just leave things the way they are and have dogs keel over every few years because someone couldn't be bothered to check their food?

What's the best nutella alternative with little sugar but still tasty?

>>7985899
Grind up some hazlenuts, coco powder, add in some milk and oil with as much sugar as you want, then call it a day.

>>7984654
>gluten free
>Why does this label bother you?
Because in America 'free' is a four letter word.

>>7979692
yes...and?

>>7979692
>Wtf I hate Nutella now
Why? All of those ingredients sounds quite tasty. Don't be soo Buzzfeed

>omg evaporated Coke caramelizes when you heat it cuz all dat sugar!
Yeah, that's what sugar does. Sweet things have sugar. stfu

>>7980678
nothing wrong with that

>>7979710
hipster

One of my favourite angles I've ever seen in marketing is when Nutella managed to convince a whole generation of clueless mothers into thinking that a jar of chocolate frosting was somehow a healthy way for their children to start their day. I mean shit, every jar contains the wholesome goodness of 16 hazelnuts, how could it be bad?!

>>7982045
Just eat only upper half.

>>7979692
American Nutella is cancer.
I used work at a German restaurant when I was a teenager (many moons ago), and they imported all sorts of German snacks and food to sell at the front counter. That's where I had my first taste of Nutella, and it was great. I would buy a jar every payday, that nutty, chocolatey deliciousness. Skip to years and years later, after college, career, and family....Nutella is everywhere, but it's American Nutella. Think "hey, I used to love this stuff, I must introduce it to the family". OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS IT'S SO SWEET MY TONGUE JUST PUCKERED INTO THE BACK OF MY THROAT I HAVE INSTANT DIABEETUS HOLY GOD NO........
Pretty much.......

>>7979692
Has anyone else tried Byron Talbotts nutella recipe?
I add a little extra butter and cocoa powder it's fricken topnotch!

>>7984881
You're not using the quote function correctly and it makes your post difficult to decipher.

>>7989576

Not sure about leaving the skin in, does that work if you don't have a monster blender? Does any of that finishing salt really stay undissolved.

Might try to make a small batch with some stevia some time.

>>7984021
Yes you should, fatass.

Anybody have a legit homemade hazelnut chocolate fusion recipe that's really good?

I'm sure it's easy enough to look online, but I'd rather use quality dark chocolate than cocoa powder. Seems like it'd be easy enough if you knew the right amounts of the ingredients, I just wouldn't know exactly what they'd be. Processing the hazelnuts is simple enough, and you'd need a bit of sugar, but otherwise, how to use some dank ass dark choco to give it a good texture and amazing flavor?

>>7989372
sounds like the difference between american ovaltine and euro ovaltine