Coffee

>>7611008
Nothing.
I prefer instant, Jack got me on to a new Expresso blend after I chatted to him on Youtube about sauces and marinades.

Finishing up the last of my Burundi Kinyovu from Blueprint today. Back to my own roasting after this, have a few different greens on hand, not sure what I'll go to next yet.

Made as espresso in my Arrarex Caravel, ground with Bunnzilla. Temperature 194, preinfusion 10sec then pull.

It's been a good shot, but I'd put it below the Kenya I was pulling before in personal preference.

Been freezing my beans in single portions and grinding frozen too in light of Pergers recent study, I've had good results. Not sure how different though.

Bong here. Just made a few bottles of cold press from Origin's El Salvador. Phenomenal, best batch I've made yet. So smooth, complex flavours. Had some Icelandic espresso from the local shop this morning, pretty average.

Cafe Bustelo.
Aeropress.

My espresso machine arrives Friday, and I'm so excited my taint is dripping wet.

I put a k-cup of decaf coffee shop brand coffee in my keurig, filled my plastic cup with a few tsp of sugar and dumped some heavy cream and vanilla extract in.

If you HAD to buy a bag of coffee from Starbucks, what would you pick? I'm asking because a friend of mine works there and gets half price on everything, and since I'm cheap as fuck...

>>7611430
Whatever hasn't been sitting on the shelf for months

>>7611440
So nothing?

>>7611442
You got it

>>7611430
Starbucks has shit beans, I only go there when I have a gift card to get a cappuccino and a pastry, or maybe a Frappuccino

You just can't drink their coffee black, I wouldn't take their beans for free

>>7611430
Get a light roast. At the least it won't be oily and burnt.

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Moka pot the true italian coffee

>>7611499
You know moka pots make some seriously shitty coffee. Get with the times.

>>7611499
i always found that moka pots made over extracted bitter as fuck coffee, just get an espresso machine or an aeropress

>>7611510
>>7611514
I bet you dweebs like sweet coffee. It's a bitter drink, deal with it.

>>7611521
mate i just want to be able to taste my coffee rather than having everything a super acidic shitmix.

Also >sweet coffee

>>7611510
>>7611514

If you can't use a moka pot to make good coffee you can't use a moka pot.

>>7611521
I make coffee in a French press. My coffee it's never bitter unless I'm eating something sweet along with my coffee.

>>7611527
why would you want to use one in the first place? It's a retarded method

>>7611521
Properly made coffee is not bitter

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>>7611527
>If you can't use a moka pot to make good coffee you can't use a moka pot.
Possibly the most retarded statement I've seen here.

>>7611527
is this memery born of nationalism?

>>7611414
What machine? I'm getting a new one soon too.

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>>7611524
Are moka pots actually shit? What if I'm poor and can only afford one to try and join the espresso master race

>>7611878
I find them to be a lot of effort, really dodgy and always producing super acidic over-extracted coffee, I really regret buying one.

Just get a french press or an aeropress if you're looking for a cheap way of making coffee

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>>7611577
>>>7611414 (You)
>What machine? I'm getting a new one soon too.

I got a used one off eBay, pic related

Is turkish coffee bait in threads with all sorts of espresso snobbery?

>>7611521
You clearly have not ever had a decent cup of coffee in your life if you actually think coffee should be bitter. Next time sweeten it up with some antifreeze.

The le i drink STRONGGGG BLACK coffee meme needs to die. Coffee shouldn't taste like death. Old people with their folgers and people who want to appear manly are the biggest offenders of this.

>>7611414
Bustelo is undrinkable.

>>7611430
Kenya or Willow blend.

>>7611008
Shitty cheap coffee that I purchased for too much money due to hurr durr England prices (I'm from South Africa so you can appreciate the exchange rate, 21 to 1) have it ultra weak with a quarter spoon of sugar and a good dollop of full cream milk.

My goal is to buy higher grade instant coffee (gold) when this jar runs out.

Not afraid to admit I bought a pod machine over the weekend, it was on special for $60.
100x better than instant.
Much better than plunger and mokka pot.
Takes literally 30 seconds from turning the machine on.
Great for when I feel like a coffee without the hassle.

Sumatran Dark Roast. Water temp is 195 F. Coarse-ground the beans and prepared it with a 5 minute in a French Press.

The coffee is rich and full-flavored with a chocolate flavor upfront that recedes into a lingering earthiness.

>>7612533

If you like it, awesome. Enjoy.

If you can, you should put your own coffee in the thing, though.

Pulling a Peru from Sump that I'd have swore was an African as espresso, it's bizarre but good.

>>7612604
Waste of time, the point with these machines are that they are quick and easy.
If you start filling you own pods you may as well get a real machine.

Preground black in a kuerig machine.

Because just short of buying those expensive kcups, I could not give less of a fuck about what I drink before 10am. Afternoon teas are a different ball game though.

>>7611910
Thats what I've been drinking. Just had a killer.

Did you know cezve is pronounced "gez-veh"?

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>>7611008
Freshly ground Douwe Egberts beans out of my Philips coffee machine, like any rightful Dutchman would.

>>7614632
Wow, the faux crema on that looks awful, way worse than I thought it would, I actually feel sick.

>>7614669
Bs, these beens have been made so ever since we still had slaves pick them and wooden ships to transport them. I refuse to believe they are second to any.

Does Sumatran origin light roast exist?

My local roaster has Sumatran but even that is a dark roast.

>>7611895
I just bought the same machine on Amazon, its pretty solid, still working on it, I posted in the other espresso thread about my experiences
>>7614764

>>7614674
Mate it's the machine that is shit

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>>7611008
Newman's Own from my K15 Keurig. Best cup of coffee I've had outside of a professional shop.

>>7614860
inb4 "yoo /pol/oote so neck yourself-" I recycle my K-Cups after brewing with them.

>>7614860
Should've tried this instead of the trash dunkin donuts ciffe grind I bought for my keurig

>>7614866
The Dunkin isn't terrible; my ladyfriend uses that with hers. I just bought the Donut Shop ( it was on sale ) and almost thought I was drinking water. I'm hoping Newman's eventually makes a K-Cup with tea.

>>7614853
Impossible. It's a Philips, the pinnacle of Dutch engineering.

>>7614888
Fun fact: machine in OP pic is also Dutch. And just about the exact opposite of your Philips in usage.

>>7614906
I don't recognise the brand, which one is it? The Philips is a very decent machine which gives excellent coffee at no effort at all.

>>7614888

Pinnacle? No. More like mass-market brand.

>>7611521
The coffee I make with my moka pot isn't bitter, you're doing something wrong.

>>7614860
those cups are impossible to recycle.

>>7615014
who cares, faggot?

>>7614923
Machine is a Strietman.

You can't get even decent (much less excellent) espresso with no effort at all without going to a cafe no matter what you pay.

Not yet anyway, superautomatics are getting better though! There are machines that you can screw in a properly prepared puck in the portafilter and it shoots out damn good espresso, like the Black Eagle (price tag is lol fuck you tier though), but even those need to be dialed in before usage. Perhaps automatic self dialing will be possible by automatic flow profiling soon, Decent Espresso promises this, but as of yet there's no reputation for their durability so I wouldn't leap to buy one.

>>7615042
Thanks for the information. Tbh, I'm not really that much of a coffee drinker, so I'd lie if I'd say anyone should take my word for it. I always enjoy the Philips though and any higher price range would not be worth it for me personally.

>>7615053
If you enjoy it that's the important part.

But I'd try a cheap full immersion brewer some time, I find brewed coffee is easy to get pretty good without paying a ton where espresso is extremely difficult in the same price category.

I drink mostly espresso shots by a large margin, but I'd take an ok brewed coffee over anything but the best espresso any day.

>>7615087
Thanks, I'll be sure to look into it. I do enjoy espresso more, but I can't say I'm as epicurean towards it as some are. That Strietman machine looks very beautiful though, but 1,5k is a bit steep for me.

>>7615115
I wouldn't recommend it to start anyway, at least not if you don't know you like levers. Just like I wouldn't recommend starting with a Vesuvius.

The following advice isn't for you as much as for anyone who cares:

My personal recommendations would be to get a vintage Arrarex Caravel or EspressoForge and later add a used PID'd pump machine (probably gaggia classic or rancillio silvia), from there deciding which type you'd rather pursue.

Maybe you'll end up with a Strietman, or maybe a Breville or a Lucca or so on. But the big numbers should come after you know what you want.

But grinders come in to play here too, so that needs to be kept in mind.

Is an aeropress or a v60 better for someone who's only had drip coffee machines at home until now? I'm leaning towards the v60 (or another similar method), but then I'd have to "invest" some extra money in a fancy kettle and settle for a cheaper grinder. But I'd probably use the kettle for more than just coffee, as opposed to the grinder which is really just for this.

Is one method longer than the other? Sometimes I need to move fast in the morning.

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I want to learn everything there is to know about coffee. Can anyone on /ck/ tell me of any online barista training courses or videos? Preferably free/cheap, and something I might be able to put on a resume.

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Bunoe

>>7616203
I use my regular old kettle for pour-over, works fine.

>>7616493
This. Don't buy a £30 kettle just because it's a Hario. You can do the job with a regular kettle if you're not ham-fisted.

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Finally moving out tomorrow, I have all my furniture except for a god tier coffee set up. Where do I start? No keurig shit.

>>7616537
a nice entry level setup (until you have a more specific idea of what you're after) might be:

mazzer mini
elektra art.sx
hottop basic

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>>7616537
>god tier

Well first you need to get your sink sorted, no point buying imported civet shit beans and a thousand dollar machine if you're just going to use fluoridated tap water.

>>7616493
>>7616529
Thanks guys, will go for the v60 then.

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>>7616568
Will Brita Jugs do? The tap water around here is actually pretty good.

>>7616615
You said God-tier, not "works fine enough I guess" tier.

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>>7616640
Not him.

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What do you guys do with your extra coffee?

What should I do with my extra coffee?

>>7616687
Freeze it so you can use it the next day.

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>>7616615
Before you do anything get yourself a simple cheap digital Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) tester such as this one to test what you are getting out of your faucet:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002T6L5M/

Typical water readings are:
~ 300 ppm Hot Tap Water (Water Heater)
~ 150 ppm Cold Tap Water
~ 50-100 ppm Bottled Spring/Non-distilled Water
~ 0-10 ppm Distilled/RO Filtered Water
~ 9001 ppm Flint, MI Tap Water
http://www.tdsmeter.com/faqs/#tds-level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnK0O2hYCV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEw7m9jZzlg

Keep in mind the EPA sets a safe range range of up to 500 ppm, so below that the only strict benefits are going to be in taste unless you are a hypochondriac.
https://www.epa.gov/dwstandardsregulations/secondary-drinking-water-standards-guidance-nuisance-chemicals
Your utility is also required to do an annual water quality testing and keep the results on hand for your inspection whenever you ask which breaks down total impurities by type such as metals (lead), minerals (calcium/magnesium which shows how "hard" your water is), chemicals (chlorine/BPA), etc. Again though because these required tests don't sample from your home anything in the transmission pipes or your home's plumbing will be missed and depending on what time of the year they are conducted the results may be stale which is why a TDS tester is preferable.

After that you can decide if you want a filter or not.
This guide is the most up-to-date test of counter-top models and shows the PUR model is currently the best performer:
http://thesweethome.com/reviews/best-water-filter-pitcher/

>>7616640
Some people don't want to spend the time installing and/or money on a home distiller or reverse-osmosis filtration system.

>>7616751
And that's fine for those people, but he specifically asked for God-tier.

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Since this is a coffee thread, I might as well ask this here. Do any of you have a preferred espresso powder? I actually dislike coffee unless it's diluted with a ton of sugar/cream in it, but I find a lot of chocolate dessert recipes call for the stuff as a flavor potentiating ingredient like vanilla extract and say you won't actually taste it in the final product.

tl;dr Best brand of espresso powder for baking or does it even matter in that case?

>>7611008
2 teaspoons instant coffee. Milk. Hot water.
Essential to put the milk in before the water

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Picked up some of pick related on sale at Meijer. Anybody tried it?

>>7616808
If by espresso powder you mean instant coffee, I use nescafe azera in cooking. But I don't think it matters too much desu

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Personally roasted colombian supremo over apple wood in a behmor small grid drum, medium.
Mini Mazzer doserless mod
Rancilio Silvia

what's a good but inexpensive grinder for use with french press only - no meme grinds required?

hand/blade/burr whatever.

>>7617389
>coarse ground
>inexpensive grinder
>good

You'll have to spend more than $100 (usd) for some decent consistency.

There are two things that make grinders expensive: how consistent they do coarse grind and how fine they do fine.

>>7617409

$100-150 is inexpensive for me. I don't need settings galore. just something that does a coarse grind.

Ground up, heated, dirty bean water. I'll never understand the obsession.

>>7617242
>memeijer

>>7617423
You start drinking it for the caffeine content then you acquire a taste for it over time. Just like beer/wine and alcohol.

>>7617431
Meijer is great. I love grocery shopping at 2am.

>>7617422
Consistency-wise, I've found the Hario Mini Mill and the Baratza Encore to be on par. From there, the question becomes would pay $60 or $70 extra to avoid grinding manually?

Baratza also sells replacement parts, so their grinders are serviceable. Some even replace the Encore's burrs with ones from the more expensive models

>>7617422
Lido 3

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>>7617422
I got a Bodum grinder for $50 and it's breddy deece. Conical burr, glass cup.
Normally they're like ~$130 but the green and red colorways are hideous and the store had a hard time selling them.

>>7617505
>>7617575
>>7617583

will investigate all these.

>>7612186
You're undrinkable m8y

>>7614777
I'm excited. I think it gets here Saturday. I've never made real espresso so this is gonna be an experience.

>>7617583
How is orange a better seller than red?

>>7617707
The store only had red, green and black.

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>>7611011
Is there instant espresso? I drink some Mexican instant coffee each morning but I would love to drink espresso instead.

>>7617583

grinder anon here. this is the most likely one I will get I think. the baraza one looked sweet but is 3x as expensive as in america here. the bodum is almost the same price - not as cheap as your garish one but around $130.

>>7617803
Look up "espresso powder"

The best part of waking up.
An old ass percolator.

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Is there really any reason to upgrade from a cafetière?

>>7617943
>cafetière

Pretty sure that just means "coffee maker" and describes literally every coffee making device known to man.

>>7617956

so what do french people call a cafetière? or indeed any other coffee makers.

>>7617943
It's what non-Americans call a "French press"

>>7616687
Dump it. In fact dump the whole machine and get a french press.

>>7617242
>french roast
Absolutely disgusting.

>>7617389
Baratza Encore. It just works.

>>7617943
There is no "upgrade" from the french press. Everything else is just different and according to taste. If you don't like the silt in from a regular french press I guess you can get an Espro. Or if you want something that is less muddled you can get a chemex.

>>7616687
When I have a tiny amount of beans left (i.e. not enough to brew a whole cup) I just chuck them into a mason jar full of other leftover beans. I call it my rainy day blend and I'm confident it'll taste like garbage.

I hate hot coffee but love cold coffee.
What does it mean?
>inb4 underage

>>7611008
I'm grieving.
I really like those UCC canned beverages, but there's no place to buy them in Europe and I refuse to import them from the US for $100 with 24 cans.

The uttermost of despair.

>>7618556
Mouth cancer.
Suck a virgin dick IMMEDIATELY

Having gone through every method and type imaginable, I have finally landed on Italian espresso and water. I can grind it myself with my Japanese manual grinder, but find that the can from Italy is just as good. No filters with g-d knows what contaminating the taste and catching oils, just strait coffee. I can't believe how much money I've spent on coffee makers over the years, only to land back with the good 'ol spoon.

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>>7614888
>>7614674
>>7614669

>>7619624
Is there one of these for literally every country on earth?

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That feel when some poor clueless (or just very wealthy) lady in my town is selling a brand new Gaggia Classic on Gumtree for $60.

Fingers crossed she gets back to me.

>>7618556
That you only have access to improperly brewed hot coffee.

Or maybe you're just not a hot beverage type of person.

For someone used to drinking only cheap supermarket ground coffee, what should I try next? I'm craving for something that's a bit more flavorful and less bitter and acidic. Are there any good online vendors that ship from Europe?

>>7620955
Look around your supermarket for whole beans.
They probably even stock one or two bags from a local roaster.

If not, look around for a local roaster.

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As I'm sure you know girls love vanilla in their lattes. What's the best way of achieving this? Should I put a drop of vanilla extract in a cup or would that not give the desired flavour? I was thinking of getting one of these for the babes.

>>7611008
Help me /ck/

My parents bought a Gaggia Carezza machine 8 years ago. Now they are moving away and don't want it anymore. I can have it.

Got it with me right now.

>Water coming out at 75.6 C
>Driping (not leaking) portafilter
>Trying to pull a shot after steaming ends up with shitloads of steam
>Coffe has cremma, but its thin, light colored, and dissipates quickly.

Now, the machine hasn't been decalsifed in over 8 (EIGHT) fucking years.

What do?

Should I take it in for servicing? Buy a descaler? Buy citric acid?

>>7621505
No, don't get that. Use high quality vanilla extract and raw sugar.

>>7621505
Just buy one of those or buy a bottle of vanilla from starbucks.

>>7621512
i guess what i meant was can i add extract directly or should it be in a syrup?

>>7621512
>raw sugar
Well shit, cooked sugar is called caramel

>>7611510
>>7611514
>>7611514
>muh aeropress

fuck off. also if you can't make good coffee with a moka pot you're retarded

>>7621610
No, unprocessed sugar, not white sugar.

>>7621590
Add directly or make your own vanilla simple syrup.

>>7621646
There's nothing wrong with aeropress. I've been using one for 8 years, it makes perfectly good coffee.

Stop being one of those retards who call everything a meme.

>>7621716
and there's nothing wrong with a moka pot, but anytime someone sees one it's automatically

>i can't use one, so it must make shit coffee!

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Cawfee

>>7621862
meme

>>7621508
halp

>>7621862
Needs thicker foam that covers all the surface. Not a bad attempt though. Would drink.

I know nothing about coffee and only ever drink cheap instant, where should I start if I want to start making the "good" stuff.

>drink chocolate milk all my life
>decide to become an adult
>stop drinking chocolate milk and switch to drinking black coffee instead
>coffee tastes terrible but convince myself that it's an acquired taste and will get better
>it doesn't
>start adding a bit of milk
>still disgusting
>put a pinch of chocolate powder in it, just to make it a bit sweeter
>gradually put more milk and chocolate in the coffee
>end up drinking chocolate milk with a bit of coffee

>>7618556
See, I love hot coffee and I love cold coffee. But buddy, you give me cool coffee and we're gonna have a problem.

>>7623803
what are you drinking and how are you brewing?
shit coffee tastes like shit and if you can't brew properly it will also taste like shit

>>7623444
Yeah, I think my problem is that I'm using preground coffee, so it might not be as fresh as it needs be. I just don't have a grinder that's fine enough at the moment.

>>7623820
it's pre-grinded instant coffee
but eh, I don't give much of a fuck
i don't drink that stuff anymore anyway

>>7623945
Instant coffee is shit-tier, literally the worst you can get. A hario v60+ some pre-ground beans is miles better, but if you're happy with chocolate milk then you do you

>>7614128
Yeah, ge as in general motors, z is just a z, and ve is like wah-wah pedal for guitars.

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Anyone else do really long (10min+) brews with coarser grounds? Really brings out all the notes written on the bag, delicious as fucci

>>7611008
Coffee tastes disgusting. I just use caffeine pills nowadays, best decision I made.

>>7625383
fag alert

>>7625383
Do you put them in your bum?

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>>7625383
>caffeine pills

>>7625378
Good, I really wanted to miss being in Japan drinking all of their coffee. Thanks ;--;

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Has anybody here ever tried reusable coffee filters? Are they good?

>>>7618429
>made some rainy day brew
>half counter culture beans and the other half some stale Illy beans
>expecting a very meh cup
>turned out better than a regular cup of just the counter culture blend

Hipster coffee a shit.

>>7626107
My drip machine uses one of those, with a flat bottom. Shit sucks balls.

This seems like a good thread to ask. So I really don't know anything about making coffee. On the coffe I bought; the instructions are "1 tablespoon of coffee for every 6 fl oz of water". Simple enough, but then it says, "for making 10 servings (60 fl oz), use half a cup of coffee. But thats a little less than 8 tablespoons. Why is it not just 10 tablespoons?

I understand making stuff isn't as simple as "multiply everything proportionally", but it seems strange that with making more coffee, you use proportionally a good deal less. Whats up with that?

>>7626116
Lazy instructions, that's all. Coffee proportions come down to personal preference, find your ratio and stick with it

>>7626116
Cup is a weird unit that means different things to different people.
Your estimate assumes a US Customary Cup, while the instructions seem to be using an Imperial Cup.

>>7626116
You should be measuring your coffee by grams anyway to a ratio you prefer.

>>7615042

I've heard this, you gotta pull it etc. What do you think about this guy's write up?

http://www.home-barista.com/grinders/compak-k10-wbc-grinder-user-report-t8302.html

>>7621508

>Do I service a machine that needs servicing?

Ya I would think bro. Simple cost benefit, you fixing times probability of that working out adjusted to one. So you fixing costs 50 bucks but one quarter chance it works? 200 dollars is the cost to repair yourself.

Compare that to cost of professional job, straight up. If either is cheaper than the market value of a working used model, choose the cheaper option of the two repair jobs. Adjust your estimated self repair cost honestly as you can. Good luck.

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Moving soon and I want to get some new kitchen shit, coffee set up is on the list.
Been using shitty cheap instant coffee just for the wake up, ignoring flavor. How much more expensive is using actually not-garbage? I'd be totally willing to invest a bit in a nice set up but I'm worried about continued cost for grounds and such.

>>7626151
>>7626166
>>7626182

so would you suggest if i make 10 servings, i just should use 10 tablespoons? would that make it more its "normal" flavor? i dont undertstand why the instructions would say use less coffee for a "full" (i.e. 60 fl oz) pot.

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Help me out coffee nuts.

Have this la pavoni pre-millennium europiccola. Didn't work. I found out the thermal fuse was gone so I wired it to bypass the fuse. I used this power switch I bought at fries but it blew the light out. My question is, is this thing drawing more power that it blows out all switches. It's running out of standard 125 v outlet. 20 amps. The machine specifies 16 amps. I'm gonna order a new thermal fuse both a resettable and non-resettable one-time use. Is it possible its drawing too much power? I checked the heating elements and appear to not have shorts anywhere.

Also, how will the new resettable fuse work in such a small hole where the old pre-millennium fuse went.

Anybody run into this issue. I tried the forums. I've looked for vids.

I paid 50 for this machine. Even with the missing pieces it needs, it's still a profitable investment compared to the $800 or so. Te a little project I'd like to use soon to eventually succeed my delonghi ec155.

>pic sort of related

It's the pre-millennium with the compound switch.

>>7626266
That's for a Compak K10? By coincidence I actually have one. It's good, but honestly I like my Bunnzilla better for espresso than my Compak or my Mythos.

>>7625576
I feel your nuts, had my best coffee ever in Fuglen near Yoyogi park. Can't wait to go back to Tokyo in the near future.

I found that Ethiopian coffee is the best!

>>7626694

I know nothing of that machine, but it sounds more likely to be a short somewhere. Otherwise the fuse shouldn't blow that easily.

Don't forget, drown it in milk unless you want to be the man in the hat.

>>7627262
Whatever that is supposed to even mean, don't you mean wearing the hat?

Okay, it seems there are some reasonably knowledgeable people in this thread, so I want to see if anyone has any suggestions for improving my current aporoach:

Fresh, locally roasted coffee
Baratza Encore grinder
Chemex, natural paper filters
Electric temperature controlled swan neck kettle.

Mugs and Chemex pre-heated with 212F water, coffee scaled to 16:1 rario, ground at 30 setting on the Encore, pre-imfused for 45 seconds with double coffee weight of water at 202F, water startimg st 202F poured until fully added by 3 minutes, brewing process complete at 5 minutes.

Makes some damn good coffee, but I'm always open to ideas for making it even better.

Any turkish coffee pros here? How much ml water/teaspoon coffee do I have to use? My family is from ex-Yugoslavia, but my mum still doesn't know how to make good turkish coffee.

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>>7627262
That was not a very good anime.

>>7627236
I think I'm retarded when it comes to a multimeter. Either that or mine is all fucked. It reads so,etching but goes back to zero or 1 when I'm trying to check for continuity.

I think I'm not gonna trouble my self and just get all new wiring and heating element and what not. It's not like a new "semi-automatic" with too many buttons and relays. Simple boiler and press to pull shots. Absolutely no motor.

I'm gonna add that I've checked with that espresso orphan page on YouTube. Pretty straight forward. The forums are not clear sometimes.

Thanks for the insight.

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I have 600 ml of cold brewed coffee but today is a cold day. Can I just heat it in a saucepan?

Any difference between a pour over hot coffee and a heated cold brewed?

>>7628072
Coffee dies very quickly. All those nice, wonderfull smells in the air when someone brews it? That's the aroma escaping. You reheated coffee will just taste bland and very bitter.
Try it and see.

I you want to salvage it you can make ice coffee.

>>7628072
Cold brews tend to be stronger so they have flavour despite being cold, if you heat it up it's not going to be as good.

>>7628072
I've done, it's drinkable. Tastes like fitler coffee. Just don't overdo, keep tasting it while you're heating it and stop when it's just hot enough for you.

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Can anyone recommend this to have a stupid easy machine in university?

I don't want to have a keurig like literally everyone else. Plus they give better crema than nespresso.

>>7618556
Start drinking good coffee is all you have to do

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>>7611521
sweet coffee is best coffee for me asshole

>>7611521
It's not bitter you are just drinking shit coffee

>>7611008
McCafe medium dark on a pourover because I'm a pleb

tight on cash and can't get my usual second cup paradiso, and my frech press cracked.

McCafe shit is actually surprisingly good for a place that makes burgers in less time than i take to open a bloody ziploc bag.

am I really missing out on anything by using a drip machine? ive used it all my life and the coffee tastes good to me.

>>7629576
No, not really. I've gone from a drip to a tassimo to a keurig to a french press to a pourover and in the end nothing was really too different except the french press

keurig is good if you're in a rush and need to make the coffee fast, but I drink 2 cups/day so it sort of evens out in my case.

>>7629576
Not really, if you're doing everything else right.

>>7629576
It depends on what machine you have, and make sure to get good beans and grind them just before brewing.

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Thinking about upgrading my grinder to one of these.

>>7628072
if it's a concentrate just split it 50/50 with hot water

Hi /ck/

I accidentally left my Bialetti 3 pots classic Moka in the fire and after 20 minutes smelled the disaster

The O ring (latex) melted and fell into the little funnel that holds the coffe.

Every part smells like burnt rubber and the handle also melted and fell.

In short, I could order spare parts for the filter, gasket, coffe funnel and handle, but the cost of the parts would be about 15 € and the pot was 16.

Is it worth to fix it? Thanks

>>7631444
You almost answered your question. You should. I'd pay a little more for the stainless steel version. It won't prevent a disaster like leaving it on the heat for too long, but they're just nicer in general.

>>7631523
Well it's really not about just the costs.

I don't know how can i remove the burnt latex from the good parts, or the melted handle.

Also, will coffee smell like burnt rubber?

If it was a 12 cups 40€ machine i'd give it a try...

>>7631444
Buy used stainless one on ebay

Just had my first good cup of coffee in a while. Lately I've been drinking a relatively stale bag of Counter Culture's Big Trouble blend. It was good but it was bitter as fug. The kind of bitter that isn't bitter as in Starbucks bitter, but bitter that gives you headaches afterwards. That ran out and I had to resort to preground Lavazza.
I had my first cup of coffee from Happy Mug's Ethiopia Halo Bariti, roasted 3 days ago.

Absolutely phenomenal cup. You barely have to go looking for the tasting notes of toasted marshmallow and milk chocolate. People apparently really got the blueberry notes typical of a Yirgacheffe, but I can't remember what a blueberry tastes like teebeeh.

>>7632767
>I had my first cup of coffee from Happy Mug's Ethiopia Halo Bariti, roasted 3 days ago.
>Absolutely phenomenal cup. You barely have to go looking for the tasting notes of toasted marshmallow and milk chocolate. People apparently really got the blueberry notes typical of a Yirgacheffe, but I can't remember what a blueberry tastes like teebeeh.
I got my first bag a week ago. It really is awesome stuff. I definitely got a lot of blueberry.

Mine was 2 days old when I got it, which means they had to have roasted it the morning before sending it out. I've bought stuff from independent roasters in the same state as me that weren't nearly that fresh.

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>tfw your coffee subscription sells out of a really good coffee

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How am I doing, /ck? Keep in mind that I am poor.

>>7634043
>Flavored beans
>blade grinder
>coffee machine that doesn't use hot enough water

Could be worse/10

>>7621862
I make better foam than that and I'm not even turkish lol

>>7634775
>mmm i sure do love the taste of cellulose

>>7611878
I started with a mokapot, it's great if you want more of a caffeine kick than a French press but other than that go for a French press, I still use the French press evern though now I've got a la pavoni espresso machine but the mokapot I just keep in case I wanta go camping or something.

Sweet coffee is a fucking meme.

>hurr I don't like the bitter taste of coffee, I sweeten it so I can be part of le coffee culture xD

If you don't drink your coffee bitter, you should better kill yourself.

>>7615035
>not caring about the environment
You are the faggot here, edgelord. Consider suicide.

>>7621871
I'd like some green tea.

>>7611008

Do you guys have a pastebin about coffee or something?

>>7635932
I work at Starbucks (inb4 all the hate) and I have people who told me their coffee was too dark and wanted it a very light brown then tell me they're "a coffee snob" at least my store gets reserve coffees that most other stores don't

How do I keep my coffee fresh?
Every time i buy those $5 12oz bags, they stay fresh basically forever because they don't let air in, yet those giant 3lb whole bean bags go stale after 2 months, even if I put them in an air tight container.

>>7635932

black coffee is not supposed to be bitter

>>7636357
I've only ever managed to get the perfect cup of black coffee once, and I haven't been able to recreate it.

>>7623803
You're drinking sugared milk. Actual cocoa is very similar to black coffee in taste.

>>7636032
It's not hard to get into.

1. Get the equipment for brewing: Aeropress (my rec), French Press, Moka Pot, Hario V60, Chemex, Woodneck, Syphon
1.5. Get a gooseneck kettle if you're doing pourover
2. Get a grinder: Hario Skerton/Mini, Baratza Encore/270
3. Get good beans: search for coffee subscriptions in your state, or cafés in your city
4. Look up brew guides appropriate to your equipment

can anyone rec me some good brands of instant coffee?

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>>7611008
>What are you brewing?
>
>How?

Pic related in my $30 coffee maker from amazon. I mix my whey into it.

>>7611008

Instant coffee in a bag mother fucker i havent slept in 48 hours

>>7637201
None.

Have a good day.

>>7636324
Don't buy 3lb bags

>went to store
>see five o clock coffee in rare whole bean form
>ohshit.jpg
>buy both preground and whole bean, along with a grinder
>grind coffee according to instructions
>whole bean fresh ground smells objectively worse than the preground stuff
>make 2 cups to compare
>preground tastes nice, almost fruity in a way
>fresh ground tastes acidic, tastes the way it smells, like wet dog
basically it tastes really weak compared to preground
i used the same amount of ground every time and the same brewing temperature along with the same amount of water.

i fell for the meme

>tastes acidic

It was under extracted. Your brewing parameters are fucked up somewhere.

If your pre-ground was better, then you probably needed to grind it slightly finer.

>>7638512
Your grind was fucked

>five o clock
Do you mean eight? That stuff is awful

>>7638596
>That stuff is awful

Last time I bought some it was stale right out of the bag. More so than the beans from Starbucks.

It's mass produced chink shit these days.

>>7638596
>>7638641
i've never gotten a bad batch of preground eight o clock

maybe the whole bean stuff is a shit batch since the expiration date is a whole 6 months ahead of the preground bag.

>>7611008
Right now? Pre-ground Lavazza Oro in a corroded and beat to shit Bialetti moka pot.

Just a tiny touch of whole milk.

>>7638656
>maybe the whole bean stuff is a shit batch since the expiration date is a whole 6 months ahead of the preground bag.
We have a real life Sherlock Holmes over here, people.

>>7638704
what's your problem?

>>7612360
>Dollop of milk

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>>7635932
It's not bitter though

I drink ground store-brand french vanilla coffee out of my 15 dollar drip machine. It's the best coffee I've ever had. AMA

>>7638780
do you use coffee mate or real cream?

I have a shit pleb question. I just bought a French press and need to find a good coffee company and style of bean, should I avoid espresso blends or beans and buy standard whole bean of whatever, or does it matter for a French press?

>>7639026
If you're in the US and not living in genuine buttfuck nowhere there's probably an independent roaster near you. If not (or if it turns out all of yours suck) Happy Mug is pretty much universally beloved. As for style, try whatever sounds good and see if you like it. Really, try as much stuff as you can and see what you like.

"Espresso" blends/beans are just regular dark roast beans. You can use other kinds in an espresso machine, and espresso beans in other kinds of coffee makers. A lot of people here complain about dark roasts, but I personally enjoy them.

Any good local LA roasters?

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Is the Starbucks branded espresso machine any good? I found one on craigslists for $50.

>>7611414
i pity you

>>7639099
People here complain about dark roasts because everyone's used to awful dark roasts that taste like charcoal and ash. If you know a roaster who doesn't fuck up their dark roasts like that they can be delicious. Had some dark roast from Papua New Guinea earlier and that shit smelled and tasted just like Black Forest cake.

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I WANT COFFEE.

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>>7640165
Get brewing then.

>>7634043
Similar to what I use as a 0 income college student.

Get rid of the vanilla beans tho, unless you really like the taste.

My gf's Jura machine. It grinds whatever fresh beans you want for each cup of coffee and you can select the strength of the brew as well as any size from 1-16oz. It also has latte and espresso modes.

People that bought into the k-cup / keurig meme are retarded scumbags that are probably yuppies and suburbanites as well. They're the coffee equivalent of macbook owners.

>>7640165
>you're

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>>7640165
>you're

>>7629533
This looks great. Just one tank for water, one for grounds, right? no other maintenance needed? Instant espresso all day? This has flown under my radar but seems like everything I've ever wanted.

>>7641942
>>7641940

Yo'ure having a probelem?

>>7641957
I just find it mind boggling that people have such a problem with these contractions. I mean, it's not like other sounds-the-same-but-slight-difference-in-spelling words. It's literally two words instead of one, and even a special sign to denote it. How can anyone possibly be so fucking incompetent?
Even more so when taking the time to write shit out in coffee. It's not like it was some typing accident.

Remember kids - if you're too stupid to understand contractions, don't use them. Like so: if you are too stupid to understand contractions, do not use them.

>>7641977
it's a meme you dip

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>>7641953
This sounds like a joke because there obviously isn't a tank for grounds.

I already have an espresso machine (pic related) and it gives very fine coffee for the investment. One great part of these machines is that there really isn't that much in maintenance because the grounds never make contact with the machine, only a hot jet is pushed in your pod and out the other end directly to cup.

The coffee is actually good compared to the other machine we have LaCimbali M21 Jr. With these machines being the price of a nespresso/keurig it was an easy choice.

>>7641999
I already have an iperespresso, the brand of pod these machines use*

>>7641977
memed on

>>7619730
except for maybe like 10 literally who countries yeah, i don't have them myself

there are multiple version of some and some are segmented (state wise for USA or even different parts of states like norcal and socal)

If i were to get an espresso machine for a ideal max price of 2000 what would you guys recommend?

>>7642521
1) Does that amount include grinder?
2) What features do you want in a machine?

>>7642521
just buy a nespresso honestly, man. I was a coffee taster for a while and frankly these days even the shit-tier machines taste great.

>>7639322
good or not doesn't matter, it's $50, buy that shit. if it's no good, resell it for $60, still seems like a good deal but you make some cash off it.

>>7637426
dunkin donuts coffee is fucking amazing

and tim hortons too

Anyone have an aeropress? I love this thing so much but don't know what stores to go get more filters from.

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>>7611008

>What
Nescafe Gold Blend

>How
Step 1: Add teaspoon of coffee to mug
Step 2: Add boiling hot water and milk if desired
Step 3: Stir

>>7642591
what's the difference between this and the plain old columbian? I only drink instant coffee if i'm up really late in the morning and rushing for class (rare, I wake up really early) and hate the stuff and I'm wondering if it's worth it to upgrade.

>>7611514
>>7621716
>aeropress

Please, promptly end your life

>>7636136
Former barista here, keep it up man, that was the best job I ever had, i fucking loved it.

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>>7642596
>plain old columbian?
I don't know what that you're talking about

Do you mean regular Nescafe, i.e. pic related?

If so then yes I definitely think Gold Blend tastes better but it's still instant. But I don't really care. I love good coffee but a) I hate coffee snobs and b) I'm lazy and c) I hate coffee snobs. So I just drink instant every day. It still tastes good enough for me. Then if I'm out somewhere and they have good proper coffee then I'll enjoy it even more.

>>7642596
It's a bit tastier but it's still instant.

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>>7642619
i mean the one that says columbian on it, kek. as long as it's better then I think i'd upgrade to it.

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>>7636136
Don't even get me started. Every single person who gets "blonde" is an utter twat. I love working at the place but I really wish we had the manual machines back. The autos are nice and all but the espresso has really suffered in quality. Not that anyone who orders an 11 pump white mocha could fucking tell.

>>7642647
i only really order pike place or a vanilla latte if i'm in a pleb mood, how do you people think of me?

>>7642647
the thumbnail looks like a kitten curled into the mug.

>>7642633

I've never seen that here in the UK, the main two are the ones I posted. Pretty sure Gold Blend is the most popular instant coffee brand in the country.

But that looks a lot like the original one I posted, maybe it's exactly the same with a different name. Yeah try Gold Blend if you want, or the store brand equivalent, I think it's alright.

>>7642658
Hey, as long as you're agreeable you are a-ok in my book. Being nice and having manners really goes a long way.

>>7642667
Ah, yeah, would make sense since I'm Canadian. So what's so different about the whole gold stuff anyway? more like normal coffee, or creamier, or whatever? Sorry to be a pain but I really do like coffee, kek.

>>7642658
Not that guy but I worked in a Starbucks in London, I can tell you that no one gives a flying fuck what you're ordering as long as it isn't super complex and difficult to remember and make

Besides why the fuck do you care what servers think of you? Why on Earth are you THAT self conscious?

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>>7642673
>So what's so different about the whole gold stuff anyway?
It's just a slightly more expensive version of instant really. So yeah I guess it tastes a bit closer to genuine coffee but it's still definitely instant coffee. Pretty much coffee brand over here has the "gold" variety so I'm surprised you haven't seen it to be honest. E.g. pic related is just store brand coffee but they still have the "gold" variant. Then again there are loads of variants of instant coffee these days, it's just that Gold Blend is, I'm pretty sure, the most popular in the UK, for whatever reason.

>>7642673
>>7642717
Also you'll notice that the "gold" (and other middle-to-up-market) instant coffees have different looking granules to the cheap stuff. The cheap stuff has dark brown granules, they're quite nobbly and dusty. The more upmarket ones have lighter coloured granules, not dusty and not nobbly, they look a bit like little stones I guess.

>>7611030
You must understand that Perger/Hendons paper's conclusion is not really correct. They make the false assumption that the difference in fines distribution is more important than the difference in non-fines distribution. When looking at non-fines, the distribution is less even. Further, the difference is most notable and favorable looking on the number count graph. Which is pretty well useless - any particle distribution will look roughly the same when graphed by number of particles. I am sure that you have noticed that different grind sizes give you different brews. Therefore you would agree that non-fines are important.

Now, if we had only fines somehow then cooling beans pre grinding would make sense. Hopefully we get there eventually as fines are better than non-fines as they reduce the extraction gradient. But for now we are pretty limited to having both. The paper is cool, but biased and maybe even a bit dishonest.

>>7614733
Yes. But typically Sumatrans are roasted dark to cover up all of the defects.

>>7642983
I do grind nearly Turkish on a unimodal grinder, so I'm closer to all fines than most people grinding with more traditional espresso grinders are. But true, nowhere near all fines still.

Just finished the last dregs of day old drip from my aunt's coffee pot, but I've had four espresso shots that I ground and pulled myself at work today.

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>>7642591
>>7642619
Go be a pleb somewhere else

How long does it take for you to steam milk? The videos I watch seem to take about 10-15 seconds, but it takes me at least 35 to get the proper temperature.

i have a keurig. no justification, i'm just super lazy as fuck in the morning.

kahlua or a local brand around here goes in there

>>7644513
Why didn't you just get an illy, literally the same price but way better coffee.

I have a cheap drip machine. The coffee it comes out after brewing is much less than the water I first put in, like half. Is this normal, or is my machine simply too shitty?

>>7644927
Your machine is literally boiling off the coffee before it hits the carafe.
The coffee sludge that hits your carafe is literally being reduced into a gravy.

Just having some of the Universities peet's coffee. Taste like burnt rubber but man does it get you going.

>>7644930
It does come out pretty think but I always assumed that's how it was supposed to be. It's delicious anyway. So the problem is my machine is heating the water too much?

>>7644965
>think
thick*

>>7642647
>tfw a reserve bar opened up in Atlanta on Monday
I so desperately want to work there they have manual espresso machines and a million different ways to brew coffee I'd sell my soul to work there

>>7627646
neither is that

I didn't drink coffee today and I had a nasty headache all day.
It just cleared up, did I beat caffeine withdrawal?

>>7642647
>every single person who likes something that isn't elemental carbon is an utter twat
Starbucks baristas, everyone.

>>7643035
If you look at the data, around 25% of the mass of the grounds were fines. That's interesting in itself, as it is a decent amount higher than Perger's previous postings of EK43 distributions at 'spro sizes (around 19% previously) and well above what you will find for a filter brew. And also larger than what Socratic is finding by a good chunk as well. I reckon that the graphs they posted are much more reliable than Socratic or anyone using sieves though.

If you take a look at Socratic's instagram page a little ways down you can fine a graph of a Robur with "frozen" and room temp beans. The result is more fines and a wider distribution in general. If you feel like going further down, you can see a few tests which directly and indirectly show fines aren't extracting to above 27%ish within 1 minute. Since typical espresso extractions are below that time, it's reasonable to assume that a typical espresso will not extract more than 27%ish from the fines (below 125um roughly).

What this means as far as Perger/Hendude's paper, is that the came to a false conclusion based on a false assumption that somehow the fines are able to give up more than 27%ish within a typical espresso extraction.

The fines make up 70% of the surface area in their results. But they can only contribute around 7% of the total extraction yield. If we are hitting around 22%, then the non-fines are giving us the other 15%. That means that min/maxing for the fines is absurd unless there is some yet unexplained magic going on. Fortunately, the difference is smallish, so most people won't notice a difference.

Really bites my tits that they omitted a Volume% graph but kept the number graph.

>>7643035
On a better note, hows that new espresso machine (other than sexy as fuck)?

Made a darkhan cafe con leche with my nespresso machine. Even the strongest nespresso blends are weak as fuck when compared to coffee made properly. Also, the coffee is always lukewarm.

Do you guys do anything with your coffee grounds besides throwing them away? Yesterday some friend gifted me a little bag full of coffee grounds from Starbucks, supposedly it can be used as fertilizer or some shit.

>>7647478
I dump mine on some rose bushes.

>>7644921
I have never seen an Illy coffee maker in stores around here or heard of one

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Caffe Mochas with my old Krups 963 machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYryKbPjm4s

>>7647539
Just buy it off amazon

>>7647593
Nice to see how the intelligentsia I have had is actually made.

>>7646378
Not here quite yet. There was a four week lead time when I ordered, none in stock. Should be about a week out now.

Next up is the grinder. Looking at the coming Monolith flat version primarily, but the Mahlkonig Tanzania (Ditting 805 rebadge that's way cheaper, sexy screwless burrs) and EK43 behind that. If only the EG-1 was about $800 less expensive.

>>7646375
I've been mixing frozen and unfrozen (not in the same batch) in my routine and both tend to turn out good. Since the unfrozen take better to wdt which dramatically lowers retention I've been mostly doing that.

I do wonder if a slow turning conical like the Robur has a different result from frozen beans than a high speed flat like the EK. Quicker shattering and all that.

I know some of Perger's even more recent stuff has been lowering pressure to around 6bar. Mix a lower pressure and a super long preinfusion maybe you could get a much longer time without it overextracting horribly. Lowering the pressure and taking the grind finer like this pretty soon Perger is going to be going on about Turkish coffee.

Anons I'm looking for a good looking espresso machine I can place in my living room, so it should look nice
Something sort of vintage effay I guess but not too pretentious
If it helps with suggestions, I live in Europe

Help a bro out
What machine would you be proud to put on display?
>inb4 a $1k yura block of metal

Super comfy video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNDs3wLFh_Y

>>7647919
single group slayer

>>7647919
La Pavoni La Grande Bellezza LGB. Really any La Pavoni machine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gaggia-of-Italy-Cappuccino-Espresso-Machine-/272207921034?hash=item3f60db3f8a:g:zVUAAOSwiylXCxSC Whatever this thing is.

Rocket R60v

Gaggia Classic

>>7647919
Arrarex Caravel

Classic timeless 50s design and great shots.

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>>7648015
you funny guys

in all seriousness the gaggia is the one within budget, but I don't really like those buttons on the front

I'll just post the options I have fukkit

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>>7641953
one of the tanks is labelled "milk" you retard.

>>7648066
What? Arrarex Caravel is usually under $300, it's not an expensive machine.

>>7642647
light roast best roast you utter faggot

>>7647875
Welp, after hearing some more on the EG-1 I'm totally sold on it. As soon as the magnetic burr version is out, anyway.

How do you guys make iced coffee?
>Brew coffee in moka pot
>Pour a bit of milk in a glass
>Fill glass with ice
>Pour coffee over ice
>Stir

>>7648328
tbqh it seems like pouring hot coffee over ice waters it down quite a bit

I would let it come to room temp first

>>7648329
It basically turns into an ice cold americano, which IMO is just the right dilution level for sipping on on a hot day.

Isn't typical iced coffee just coffee + milk + crushed ice?

>>7648343
I thought the point was to have some kind of coffee slush with the milk adding a bit of thickness to it.

>>7648465
>crushed ice
>coffee slush

Nigger what the fuck are you doing?

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>>7648483
I don't know, I only know how to hot coffee.

>>7648328

just cold brew it

its very easy just takes time

Just got an Encore and holy shit it makes the world of difference
Before, my cups were solid but no matter the brewing method it was always a little too sweet for me. Now I've used it for my chemex & french press and both were AMAZING and balanced.

moral of the story is don't cheap out on grinders. it's worth it to get a burr grinder

>>7648867
>moral of the story is don't cheap out on grinders

Better yet, just don't use blade grinders.

>>7648925
Yeah, for the longest time I thought this $20 blade grinder from Target couldn't be that terrible. Turns out I was a huge dumb ass...have every goddamn coffee apparatus under the sun but I was never using a good grind.

>>7647875
I hear you on the grinder front. That EG-1 looks great from a lot of angles - but I'd really like to see some particle distribution graphs. Right now I am wishing I had a 804 to compare my ek43 to. The results on Socratic recently make it look significantly more even.

And it is hard to say if the slow conical combo would react fundamentally different than the fast/flat combo. All I can say is that colder seems to make for more fines. As far as pressure lowering goes, it seems like 4ish bar is some kind of low limit. But really, espresso has been changing a lot lately, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it get down to ultra low pressures. I think that the further the pressure drops, the lower the body gets (and the slower the extraction is - to some extent). That's a trade off that a lot of people are more and more willing to make so long as more consistency/clarity/other quality is the reward. It's really neat to start to see more things as manipulable variables that can be used to really hone in on a recipe that works for a given coffee.


I see a fundamental shift in grinding tech coming in the next decade or so (that stuff seems to move agonizingly slow) toward a place where we can produce fines with a pretty narrow distribution. It will have to happen simultaneously with brewing tech though, as right now we don't really have anything that can brew an all-fines cup and still separate the brew and coffee mass quickly enough. I did some experiments a while ago after arguing with Matt about the importance of fines. Took the EK down to as fine as it could go - not entirely fines, but fine enough that it has roughly no texture. Could only get about 5g dry coffee to brew at a time with my aeropress. Was a ridiculously tiny window to work with - 25-30 seconds was as fast as I could go, and anything past 35 or 40ish was entirely dull and lifeless. Had a few brews better than my best v60s, and they ended up reading at about 28% extraction.

>>7649677
I should try those experiments again with some colder water - maybe around 70C. That would definitely slow the extraction down, and maybe enough to widen that window to make a brew that is actually feasible in a cafe situation.

>>7649677
The EG-1 is getting a magnetic burr version made by Ditting (but a new burr, not kr805 burrs), so particle distribution wise it should be like a perfectly aligned (which is apparently quite easy to check or correct with the burr housing) Ditting. I was nearly sold it it for a long while, no retention, easy alignment, repeatable adjustment, stupidly easy to clean, adjustable rpm, all that nice stuff. But the potential for uneven wear with how the beans fall dissuaded me. I've heard now that the laws of physics are on my side, and centrifugal force far outweighs gravity when the burrs are spinning. So now I can't put it out of my head and get a Monolith or Tanzania.

As for all fines brews, I'm wondering if an espresso shot with a long Slayer type preinfusion and somewhat cooler water could work. It'd force the water out more than most methods. Interesting you've had good results with the aeropress though, the only time I tried Turkish level fine with it was a total disaster that involved moving it to the bathtub to safety dissipate the force from the bomb I created. Luckily it was a misguided quick cold brew attempt (that also involved a blender), so no boiling water.

>>7649725
The problem with all fines for espresso is that with metal filtration (at least a typical VST basket) the holes are WAY bigger than the fines are. There's also the problem of getting the water to go through in a reasonable amount of time - lower pressure and a long ass preinfusion will help, but I have a feeling that it will still be too long for most cafes to do.

I'm not sure if the fines that get into the cup would scale linearly with the amount of fines in the basket. But if they did, then an all fines espresso would be either gritty as heck or have a really thick body. Could actually end up being a real boon when combined with low pressure/heat as those things reduce body.

Was just reading Chris Hendon's posts on Socratic's graphing of all the grinders profiles. He's really determined to both preach that Volume% graphs are useless, without giving any reasoning why. Shit is bumming me out, because I'd love to know why he thinks that is the case - he seems to be a pretty bright/honest dude.

>>7649804
Maybe an Aeropress filter cut to fit the basket? Would strip the oils, so probably no crema, but the higher pressure might make it work better than an Aeropress does for getting the water out quickly.

I saw some other basket too, that used holes much smaller than vst but a ton more of them. Apparently they're shit for tds in normal espresso, but for an all fines cup, maybe it'd work.

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>>7649071
>have every goddamn coffee apparatus under the sun but I was never using a good grind

No matter how cheap your french press may be, you will only find coarse grinds in your cup if you have a old/warn filter. Sludge is normal though.