Artist Alley General: Good luck at AX! Edition

How much were the artist alley tables for ax this year?

>>9536474
If I remember correctly, 350 for returning, 425 for public. 75 for extra passes.

>>9536589
not good, don't do it

>>9536589
Don't do it. I mean it.

>>9536589
It depends. How well do you think you can sweet talk your way out of a cease and desist?

Would it be okay to leave your table for an hour? Both my partner and I want to go to a panel at 9 am on Sunday and no one else will be able to watch it.

>>9536728
I've seen solo artists leave signs that say when they'll return because they don't really have a choice. Just make sure anything that could be stolen from your table is put away and be friendly with your neighbors so you can ask them to keep an eye out while you're away.

How do you guys deal with photo stands and planes?

I'm bringing mine as a backdrop to help my friends take photos at their wedding but I've never traveled outside of my state with it before. Google is giving me random results.

Does it count as a carry on? Do I have to check it in?

>>9536728
usually my table is covered when im not there so i put the cover up, put a sign up and ask my neighbor to keep an eye on it if they can

>>9536858
i mean you can do either? Mine fit in a large suitcase i kept for con stuff so i checked it in but i've seen people take them as a carryon before as long as it fits in the spaces they reserve for the overhead compartment

>>9536728
make sure the con is ok with it. A few conventions won't let you leave a table closed for more then 10 minutes.
If they are ok with it, you could even ask if one of the staff are able to watch over it. I know some cons specifically tell me they'll do that if needed.

>>9536887
I see! Thank you

I was a bit worried after seeing all the airplane fights with passengers/flight attendants so I didn't want to unknowingly fuck up

Any good artsmoo deals going on? I don't seem to get anymore emails from them these days.

managed to go through vograce through vicky to get 1 charm printed (i wanted to just see how it looked) and i was charged paypal fees of about $3.50. is this normal? Also is there any difference between vicky and coco (which i've been hearing more often about)?

>>9537324
YES IT IS.

WHY ARE YOU FUCKERS SO CHEAP AND SKEPTICAL

>>9537342
Whoa there. I just wanted to make sure since this is my first order. Thanks for letting me know.

>>9537324
Coco charged me $30 for all of the available charm types (7 variations I believe) including shipping if you're looking to compare pricing.

Not fishing for what's popular or trying to get myself into a missing nitch market, I'm not an artists. But I am wondering, what's your fandom that you wish more or less of a product? What's your fansom that has no merch?

I see too many YoI uber cute trinkets, keychains and pins. So much so, I'm not interested in getting them anymore. And my all time favorite fandom is Samurai Troopers and guess what? Never any cute fanmade merch. I thought there would be more since it was literally the male Sailor Moon of the 90s.

>>9537364
This is great reference. Thank you!

>>9537372
I'm a sucker for nostalgia and would love to see shaman king merch. I'm really tired of YOI too since there is so much official merch already, maybe even passing osomatsu levels

>>9537380
>shaman king

whoa. Havent heard that in a decade. I wonder why that died, but Yugioh lived. They were shown at the same time I remember.

>>9537380
I would legit kill a person for Shaman King merch. That series rolls hard with the nostalgia for me.

I got back into One Piece again recently and would love to see more stuff of it, especially of "one-shot" characters that aren't a part of the main plot.

>>9536526
Phew that's steep. I'd always had the impression that American AA tables were cheaper, but I guess AX is that big.
$60 1 day attendance feels really pricey too.
What are the average table and attendance costs?

>>9537372
sooo much SU stuff and it almost all looks the same

i wish there was more rick and morty stuff that was drawn appealingly. like keychains or w/e. also grim fandango, bioshock, portal

>>9536957
I have better luck following them on FB for deals. I stopped getting e-mails in the last couple months too.

>>9537395
Problem with One Piece is that it has a LOT of official merch, just like YOI, so fan art really has to offer something unique to sell. Of all the OP merch at my table the only stuff that sells really well is Law merch.

That said, I wish there was more OP fan merch, too.

>>9537481
I met at an artist at a recent convention whose table was almost entirely Rick and Morty, I thought her style was pretty cute. She had different Rick charms that had connectable pocket Mortys like from their game. I can try to find her business card if you're interested?

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A few days ago, I assumed I still had some of my leftover plushie stock from last year so I focused on crocheting and sewing zipper pouches instead during the prep months, but turns out I barely have any plushies. I managed to put together a bunch in a day, sewing some parts at work, and generally I'm not too worried since the events are only 1-days. If anything, I'm sort of disappointed that I didn't make any fan stuff.

Pic related, not stuffed yet. Trash bags were a hit last year, and this year I'll bring some flaming trash.

How do you guys deal with an artist who is taking forever to finish your commission?
Me and my friend commissioned this artist back in 2015 and shes constantly posting about how she doesnt owe us a refund because apparently in her ToS it says she can take as long as she wants.
She keeps taking new commissions and ignoring all our emails to her, and sometimes posts about how we're mean for asking where our art is that we paid for ?? Its been 2 years but I dont want to make a call-out or anything about her because she has a huge fucking following and whenever people complain about a commission they didnt get from her, she sends her fans after them and they harass people who complain about how shes such a perfect bean and oh she has depression wahhh

I just want my money back at this point.

>>9537629
At this point it sounds like you've done what you can, and you're not getting your money back unless you shame her into it (also unlikely) since your buyer's protection most likely lapsed. I'd just out her so people might know not to commission her in the future.

You could try contacting other pissed off commissioners so you have evidence that she has a pattern of ignoring clients/not finishing paid work. People usually respond well to call outs that summarize shit well with lots of receipts.

>>9537629
two years??? wow. You should have gotten a refund a long time ago. How much was the commission?
If it was under $100, shame her on social media. If over $100, threaten to sue her.

>>9537629
TWO YEARS? And her policy is "I'll get to it when I feel like it?" Bruh, you got scammed. Post her art work. Let's see if it's worth the wait.

>>9537459
On the west coast tables aren't going for lower than $150, with AX being the highest for an individual AA table. Not sure if SDCC still has their free/cheap AA table policy for industry professionals, but for everyone else small press tables start at $500 so that may be the top out in terms of pricing for just a table in general.

Admission prices to any given event ranges from $10 (designercon) to $199 for Blizzcon (comes with a swag bag). If you were to buy all five days of SDCC the total comes out to $265. So yeah, on average one day passes range from 20-60 while weekend passes range from 40-100 with random outliers here and there.

>>9537459
>>9537848
Small cons under 5K tend to have table prices closer to $100, and badge prices I don't think I've seen over $35. They're also generally not worth traveling very far for.

>>9537629
If I didn't get my commission within the time frame of Paypal refund, I would request a refund.
If she had so many red flags, what made you want to commission her in the first place? Or did she recently get crazy? You could go ahead and call her out, just block her rabid fans. If it super bothers you, take on inspiration from Tyler the Creator and turn off your computer. It's because no one is speaking up that she gets away with this sort of thing.
How did you pay? If through PayPal, you can try to get a refund there or through your bank or cc company.

>>9537629
Fuck her ToS. If you didn't sign anything, call your bank and get your money back.

>t. Been there, done that

Also name and shame. Why are so many people nonconfrontational? Do you WANT to get scammed?

>>9537869
As a mediocre print artist, what do you think is "good" amount of money to make for cons with 3k-4k attendees?
How about 1k-2k??

I'm just starting out, and I'm taking on small cons first to see if it is worth it for me or not, as I'm not the best but not as terrible as a lot of others in AA too. My first con I have booked is around 1k-2k. After that is 3k-4k.
What are numbers I should look for to get an idea if I should continue/go larger?

>>9537912
It really depends on your skill level and ability to adapt your style to fit what sells. When I started out about a year ago I made about 250-500$, but I'm already making more than that with my online store alone. I think it's a good idea to go into your first convention as an artist with the mindset of learning and seeing what you like. Take what you see that does well and try to incorporate it into your own work. It's also really fun to get to know people and will make going to conventions a lot less stressful. Just be careful not to befriend weirdos or leeches that are only your friend to find out your manufacturers.

>>9537912
If you're just starting out, right now just worry about breaking even. You'll start making more when you start learning how to pinpoint what type of fandoms and products sell best and what kind of customers your art tends to attract. Also as you start building up more stock so you have more different things to sell. For now don't worry hard about profit numbers - take it as a learning experience and have fun!

After your first year you can take another look at profit numbers, but any start up business has a learning curve and an investment period, and AA is no different.

>>9537620
that's some quality garbage right there. pride emoji insert

>>9537912
>what do you think is "good" amount of money to make for cons with 3k-4k attendees?
>How about 1k-2k??

I make between 1 and 3k no matter what the size of the con, whether it has 1,000 or 35,000 people.

The size of a con honestly has very little to do with how much money you make. I've made more money at a 1 day ~1,000 attendance con than a 3 day con with over 30k attendance before.

>>9537372
More Fallout, especially New Vegas. I see Fallout and I almost immediately am buying it.

>>9537372
metal gear solid, especially from the less popular games like peace walker (or really just anything besides generic mgs1-era solid snake holding a gun)

>>9538118
I know a few artists with online shops that have fallout charms if you're looking. One's shop is down rn but her charms are really cute. I can link them if you'd like.

>>9538127
I just saw some MGSV charms at the last convention I went to. I grabbed her business card, I can go look for it if you want?

>>9537372
Ghost in the Shell
I never see much merch or art from it. It has been around for over a decade and still has new movies being released of it and is very popular, idk why the is so little merch of it.

I REALLY wish there was more art, specifically more art that isn't just a sexy pose of The Major.

>>9538133
>MGSV charms
that would be excellent if you could find it, i'm aaaaalways on the hunt for more charms!

>>9537934
>>9537963
Thanks for the advice. I have to be careful of the weirdos and leeches, because I tend to attract the literally autistic all the time for some reason in every area of my life.
>>9538013
Interesting. Are you a print artist, or plush/fabric? I'm not going to ask you to post your art because this is 4chan, but is there a style of art you can link to that is /like/ yours?
If you're makin 1k-3k per con no matter the size, isn't that basically saying then that only about 1,000 people buy your art no matter how many are around?

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>>9538145
>Interesting. Are you a print artist, or plush/fabric?

plush/fabric. I post here a lot so I don't care about posting my table.

It really just has to do with competition. If there are 5 other vendors/artists selling something similar, than that 30k attendance gets divided by 5. Smaller cons I have no or very little direct competition so they all go to me.

>>9538144
Found it! Her tictail is soularch.

>>9538140
The artist above actually had a GitS print at her booth, but it was the only print of the series I saw at that con's artist alley. I feel like people aren't willing to commit to making stuff because the movie had mixed or bad reviews.

>>9538176
thank you, i appreciate the link! i try to stalk etsy/storenvy/tictail for any mgs merch so i love finding stuff that i missed!

>>9538159
what are those cylindrical plush things?

>>9538206
nayrt but they're tails.

>>9538204
Yea, I wish tictail's marketplace search was better since a lot of artists seem to do preorders on there now. I feel like I can never find stuff on it unless I already know about it from twitter or tumblr.

>>9537394
They had a better fujoshi group, doujinshi, and a trading card game and spinoff tv shows

>>9538209
i feel the same way. if i'm hunting for a specific character or series, i usually search the marketplace and then do a general google search for "*series name* tictail" which sometimes brings up more stuff, but i know there's more stuff i'm still missing which is too bad. i think i've only bought one thing from tictail that i hadn't first seen on twitter, because it's really just...not great for browsing haha.

Speaking of tictail, i just signed up and was excited to move over but custom store fronts are a tictailplus thing and i'm sad. Is it worth it to switch to tictail still or should i just stick with my storenvy?

>>9538302
I like using tictail for any preorders, I moved over from storenvy like a year or so ago. I didn't really like storenvy's power move to force stripe on sellers. If it helps, I don't think customers particularly care if your storefront is premade or not. I've been able to make my tictail storefront look pretty much like my old storenvy front with their different theme selections and then editing the html.

>>9538369
I closed my storefront too on storenvy when they pushed stripe and took away paypal, but it seems like they went back and included paypal again.

Tictail is great if you had an account with them from maybe half a year ago because now all the features have changed but they kept it the same for previous members. Custom designs and storefronts are now part of Tictail Plus but old members will get to keep it even without paying for plus.

>>9538374
Damn, I went to check my storefront because reading tictail OP made me think my storefront/discounts/whatever were fucked. I'm glad I got grandfathered in, but that seriously sucks for new members.

>>9538379
>>9538374
>>9538369

Yeah new tictail members will only be able to set up a marketplace store with their standard white boring layout. Wonder if they take a cut off all sales through it too.

If anyone here has used both, how does TicTail compare to Etsy? I'm considering giving online sales a go, but I'm wondering which one gets more traffic/is easier to use.

Do you guys preper one online shop than another? RedBubble? Sociriy6? Etsy? I've never heard of Tictail until now.

I want to open a shop, but I don't know what's the best rout to take. I know I'll be the one in the millions to sell cute pins and charms, but I'm hoping that my stuff is just artsy enough to stand out and bring in some interest.

You know what's also weird? I have a tumblr, with a healthy amount of followers (almost 1000. I can safely assume that less than 100 are porn bots) but my unfinished sketches get 5 times more notes than my finished painted pieces. Maybe I should start selling cool fan art as inked pieces, and forget the coloring.

>>9538424
*do you guys prefer

>>9538401
I like tictail better for preorders I'm promoting myself on social media and etsy for stock I already have that I want to offload between conventions. Etsy's marketplace community is probably the most well-established one right now so you don't have to bring customers to your store yourself. From my experience, you don't have to worry about takedown sweeps on tictail because it's less well-known.

>>9538424
Stuff like redbubble and society6 are good if you don't want to deal with manufacturing and shipping orders yourself. Upload your design and let them take care of the rest. Etsy, tictail, storenvy, etc. are meant for people who already have products they want to move. It sounds like etsy, tictail, storenvy, etc. fit your needs best if you're thinking of doing charms and pins.

I feel you with tumblr also, I have 30 minute sketches that get thousands of notes and fully finished prints that get under 100. Don't worry about how tumblr responds wrt notes when you're thinking about potential products. People gush over shit saying "I NEED THIS!!" all the time and then magically disappear when you finally produce it.

>>9537629
Name and shame anon, who is it.

>tfw I'm waiting for a commission from last year still

You AA assholes at AX (AAA@AX) better have some League of Legend cute pins or buttons. I'm on the HUNT for those. Post your table if you got the goods, I'll be there first thing tomorrow to snag them up.

Dropping by again to wish all you gorgeous hard working AA pees good luck!!! I can't wait to see all of your tables and rain cash upon you guys LOL. Make sure to gets as much sleep, food, and water in you all! If Kentia hall is shittily hot like last time, I'll bring water for you guys and buy shit from you too if you guys drop your table numbers here! I didn't table this year, but I am sure as hell gonna do my best to break you guys even lmao

There was some folks who gave out free pins to /cgl/ last year and If they're coming back I got cash this year to get some stuff.

*peeps
Sorry, I didn't mean to call you guys are bodily fluids!!!

>>9538621
>>9538624

Don't tell this anon your table numbers. They'll come give you glomps and cookies filled with razor blades.

>>9538647
>>9538661

whoa what the actual fuck, can you chill or is there an actual problem with gulls supporting other gulls

>>9536210
Another year goes by and I still haven't got a table.

>>9537869
>>9537848
>>9537459
>>9536526
Wow, they must have jacked up the prices over the years.

>>9538661
trolls will be trolls. No cookies and glomps, just cash and support! It's a pity you're such a bitter person.

>>9538623
oh i did that, im at table G55 this year!

Same as last year, free button of your choice for any seagulls that drop by :) just tell me or my helper that you're from /cgl/ and we'll let you pick one.

>>9537595
if it's not too much trouble, please do, i'd like to see it

>>9538133
also i'd like to see the fallout things

>>9539068
Yea of course! Fallout: galoo @ storenvy; jokeritadoodle on tumblr has really cute ones but her storenvy is closed right now.

The Pocket Mortys (and a lot of other Rick and Morty stuff) is spicytunaa, but she only sells stuff at conventions right now. She has a con list on her tumblr and it says she's going to open an online store soon.

>>9539109
I love Galoo!
I didn't know she frequents cgl~

>>9539171
She doesn't I think, one of my friends bought a fallout charm from her and I try to hoard video game merch artists.

>>9539032
Stop namefagging.

>>9538647
>>9538661
>>9539220

The AA thread is more salty on non art related/ business related than usual today

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>>9539220
You really showed them anon. They're totally going to stop just because you asked them to.

>>9538133
Please do! I will always buy Fallout a tuff and I love collecting charms, thank you anon.

>>9539509
I posted them >>9539109 here! I'll post again later if my friend knows any other charm artists since she's really into fallout.

Vograce has goild foiling for their charms now? is there anyone who has actually done that yet?

>>9539907
gold* excuse me

>>9539907
>>9539917
Oh, did they add that option recently? Interesting. I assume it only works for acrylic board and not for epoxy?

>convention next weekend
>registered for AA last fall or so
>took months to get booth #
>con chair finally sends list of AA numbers on June 8
>check to see who my neighbors are
>one has a nonexistant booth number: the spot appears nowhere on the exhibit hall map
>it is an even number in a section that only has odd numbers
>in this AA, evens are one side of an aisle, facing odds on the other side
>my section only has odds because it is at the end of the AA facing the dealer area
>whence cometh this even-numbered artist?
>email con chair to ask about it
>he says the AA map on the website is wrong and he will send a new one ASAP
>new map arrives June 26
>it's got the same configuration of numbers
>my supposed neighbor is the only one with a # not even on the map
>email con chair again about this
>no response

it is possible that the artist in question is already handling the situation, or that the con chair himself is, but i would feel bad if they arrived and had nowhere to set up. i may contact the artist themselves, however, if there is no response by tomorrow.

am i intruding on this issue since it does not directly affect me? it potentially does, if, for whatever reason, the artist gets confused and decides or is told to take my spot, since it is the # directly after theirs. (let's say they have nonexistent spot #504 and mine is 505, with 503 on one side of me and 507 on the other side.)

this seems a concerning issue to leave unresolved a week before the convention.

>>9540114
It's nice to think of the other artist, I know I'd appreciate if someone pointed it out to me even if I was resolving it. I'd say try to contact them so they're definitely aware of it.

Does anyone use another manufacturer to make makeup bags? I missed artsmoo sale since I'm an idiot.

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looks like we got some art theft here boys

>>9540997
Wow. Did they want to get caught? At least change the art style up a little.

>>9541000
Apparently the original artist confronted them at some point, but Zetallis said it's "just coincidence". Zetallis is selling these at AX right now too. I don't know anything else on it though besides this tweet I saw. https://twitter.com/roseradetea/status/881287172854362117

>>9540997
My fav thing abt art thefts are the strategic horizontal flip these morons do of the original.
As if a deviated alignment will make it any less recognizable.

Is this guy at AX rn?

>>9541022
Yes, table K07.

https://twitter.com/EldritchSky

>>9541022
yep seems like it

Table k07 (eldritchsky on twitter)

>>9541025
Wow. And apparently still selling them.
Everyone is too un confrontational to @ them

>>9540997
anyone at AX got the balls to shame them at their booth?

>>9540997

Hm I see the similarities, but I also think it's reasonable that it was a coincidence. The birds in the game sit like that. You can find other fanart of them sitting in really similar positions and angles. And it's not as if the art style is extremely unique.

Has anyone here used Digital Artwear before? How did you find their service?

>>9541038
there's a thousand and 1 ways to draw a generic crow and hers looks like the 2nd crow's body with the first crow's face

>>9537595
Me as well please

>>9541038
I'd say coincidence too, unless the artist has other pieces that look ripped off. It's like arguing that Harry Potter ripped off Timothy Hunter in terms of physical appearance - sometimes shit just happens to be generic enough that you're bound to have similarities.

>>9541038
>>9541104
Just a coincidence. Even if there are "a thousand ways to draw a bird" both artists are just trying to stay true to the game's original style. So stop it. Stop trying to create drama that everyone just knows cgl cows are thirsty for and will grasp at straws in order to fill this womanly need.

>>9541104
Apparently the original drawing has existed for 2 years, even if it's a coincidence, she doesn't have much of a case to defend herself.

>>9537912
last con i went to i didnt sell anything all 3 days. Someone asked if my art was a dollar and then said ,aww, i wish I had a dollar

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>>9541119
>the game's original style
I'm sorry... what? How is either of their interpretations staying true to this detailed, semi-realistic style in the game?

You guys I'm so deadass fucking done with AX, my table was next to some online famous tumblr person and they started having a huge line that constantly covered my booth for most of the con, even the volunteers couldn't direct it. The issue isn't even that they're so popular people are flying in droves to buy though, it's cus she fucking takes 20 minutes to complete one transaction. God help me I don't know what AX needs to do but I'm so done

>>9541144
RIP anon

>>9541143
zetallis could have easily drawn a pin more akin to the in-game bird but yet decides to copy someone else's bird blorb hmmmmmmmm

>>9541144

imo, artists with huge ass line should do like the japanese do at comiket and have the line be separate from the booth, with the second and last persons carrying signs that say "line starts / ends here".

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>>9541131
I gave my specific example because Hunter was created in 1990 and the first Potter book published in 1997 if we want to talk about time between creations. Sometimes this sort of coincidence really does happen because a bunch of similar ideas all pop up around the same time.

Alrighty so here's my report from the AX AA.

-Every. Fucking. Table. Had. Overwatch. There's what? 60 tables? Every. One.
Like not even kidding. Even artists who had only original art still had a tiny print of Junkrat or Reaper. Even the super pink booth with all the boys? Overwatch themed Mai, Mercy, D.VA....ugh.
-Why are all the pins and phone trinkets the size of bottle caps? I got really aggravated that they were asking $2 for a .5 inch tiny pin. It was either buy a tiny bit or buy a HUGE one that 's in the shape of a heart. I just wanted a "normal" pin.

But I guess that's it. Nothing too exciting. Same ol' same ol'. Loved the fact AX gave the whole bottom floor to AA. So much room to breath and just look at everything.

>>9541172
60 tables? lol you sure you're at AX?

>>9541159
is it really that difficult to draw a fat bird that isn't a ripoff of someone else

Question for people who do memo pads. I'm seeing them on Etsy and Tictail for anywhere from $4-12. What is the market standard pricing for the large kind artsmoo sells? I'm considering trying some for my next con (in limited quantities) but want to know what my margins would be looking like on these.

>>9541172
I don't like OW either, so I feel your pain. I know this topic has been run to the ground countless times, but I'm pretty desperate for some variety.

Regarding pins, usual price I see is:
$1 for 1"
$1.50 for 1.25"
$2 for 1.75" - 2"

Just wondering, what size would you consider a "normal" pin?

>>9541144
Who was it??? All I know was yuumei's booth along with some others had a shit ton of people around them. I wanted to nab some of yuumei's art, but couldn't even get to the front lmao

>>9540997
>>9541007
This seems like a coincidence? They're from the same game and as the other anon pointed out, that's the pose they're in in-game. Zetallis is a pretty solid artist with a big following - I highly doubt she traved anyone. She's got some other blobby animal type merch too so it's not like this is completely out of character in her body of work.

>>9541232
Mukki? That's all I heard the teenagers talking about in front of my table all day, she's left the row area a mess too

>>9541176
Yeah, I was about to say. I don't think AX has had 60 tables since like 2000.

>>9541083
Pocket Morty artist is over here >>9539109 but she doesn't sell stuff online yet, her upcoming con list is on her tumblr. She was really sweet in person, if you message her about her shop I'm sure she'll give you more info!

>>9541176
>>9541356

Well it feels like 60 cause everything looks the same.

>>9541220
I almost never see tables over here on the east coast use 50 cent increments because dealing with coins is such a pain in the ass. Usually the 1.25-1.5" pins I've seen are $2 / 3 for $5. 1.25-1.5"

>>9541182
it definitely isn't. wonder if anyone reported zetallis since there's a few moderate artists mentioning it now.

>>9541245
As you can see in >>9541143 those crows aren't cute little bloody blobs. Those crows are terrifying monsters that will try to peck your face off while screaming and frantically flapping their wings around.

You can argue about the pose all you want- I won't deny that they make that pose in game- but the angle/perspective (the crow is at eye level and facing 3/4 to the left) and general shapes (the crow's face and wings) as well as the placement of each shape are too eerily similar for me to think it's "just a coincidence."

I know it's hard to believe an awesome artist with a lot of skill would copy someone's idea. It's not even a trace, Zetallis did have her own spin on the line art style and feathery details. But the idea was very clearly influenced by the first artist who did it.

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>>9540997

Guys, it's clearly a copy. It's the same fucking proportions. The pin is of course is a bit different differnt, with the head tilted back, but it's the same thing. Once's just done nicer, but yeah, she stole the idea and design. Her own artistic skills gave it some feathers and curved wings and tilted head. Concept design is hard. Why do it yourself when you can take someone else's, make a little nicer and then make a lot of money off it?

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>>9541245
The enamel pin is so clearly a rip off, I don't see how anyone can look at them and not see that. I thought the original artist just made their art in a pin and was confused before reading the post.

The copy artist just made the feathers more pronounced, but you can see the tufts are in the exact same place, the wings use slightly jagged lines in both, and the blood even drips similarly in the leftmost crow and the copy. Zetallis didn't trace it but with how close it is they might as well have.

>>9541424
I actually think that the original style would've made a cuter enamel pin, the way zetallis added individual defined feathers doesn't look good as a pin. vvnhuang's lines look cute and soft, and zetallis' are sharp. I guess it's subjective anyway tho

>>9541403
Agree to disagree, I guess. It's a pin design so i can understand why she went with a simplified version instead of something super detailed. A ton of people make chibi/blob versions of monsters and there are only so many ways to simplify crows in that specific in-game pose. It's unfortunate that they look so similar but it still seems like a coincidence to me. I've seen similar coincidence/art theft accusations in other fandoms. The original idea wasn't that original to begin with and it's no surprise that other artists have arrived at a similar conclusion. The original artist also seems to have a very small online presence (at least based on their twitter account) so it's arguable that the "copier" saw the "original" in the first place.

>>9541450
After these two posts >>9541424 >>9541431 I have no idea why you still think it's a coincidence.

You continue to argue about the pose being from the game, yet ignore the fact that the angle/perspective and the proportions (as one of the posts above mentioned) is exactly the same.

I looked up zetallis' shop and there is nothing there that suggests she has previously drawn creatures in a similar way.

>>9541464
While looking at her shop I noticed that she also took down the listing for the crow pin.

>>9541464
they probably just really like the artist and don't want to think poorly of them. zetallis's art does look nice otherwise but it makes you wonder what else they've done that isn't really their own idea.

>>9541464
Sorry that similar chibi bird anatomy didn't convince me of something that seems entirely like a coincidence? Are you vvnhuang's friend that's going on a crusade about it on Twitter? Like I said, agree to disagree. It's not like I was the only anon in this thread who disagreed with you.

>>9541478
lol calm down zetallis

>>9541496
Not her but okay lmao. Not everyone who disagrees with you is zetallis, whodathunk.

>>9541478
so if it's a coincidence, that basically means zetallis is unoriginal right kek

>>9541500
sorry you can't think of more than 5 ways to draw a sitting bird

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>People arguing over copying something and selling it.
>Copying something and selling it.
>Copying. Selling.
>Fanart

>>9541507
Also, are you stupid? There's ten million ways to draw a sitting bird. There's one way to draw THAT bird what looks LIKE THAT. Are you high?

>>9541516
Even a high retarded person could see the birds are the fucking same. what a hack shit.

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>>9541516
give me money to make enamel pins pls

>>9541591

I don't understand what your point is here?

>>9541594
that i don't have to be a complete ripoff in order to make a generic fat bird pin

>>9541424
>>9541476

I'm not gonna argue about the design, but I do want to say that points about stealing ideas have no ground considering that shit isn't even recognized when it comes to copyright.

I mean, we're also talking about fanart here. That alone is the borrowing of ideas.

>>9541232
>yuumei

I can't believe some of these people are still relevant, it's incredible

>>9541262
>mukki

Who

>>9541591
>>9541594
I got anon's point but that's not even how the carrion crows sit in game though? So their point was moot to begin with. >>9541516 is right in that there are only so many ways to draw THAT specific crow in THAT specific pose in a fat chibi style.

I agree that the two look very similar. But before we all jump to conclusions about art theft - I'm just wondering if there's any tangible basis for the claim? I'm not talking about the similarities in the pictures themselves but like... was the original super popular or something? For someone to have copied something means that they had to have seen it first. Was it relatively big in the Bloodborne fandom circles that zetallis could have seen it? I don't really follow vvnhuang so I'm not sure if it was a post of hers that blew up or something. I'm not saying that popular artists can't copy from less popular ones but I'm just wondering if there's a reasonable probability that the second artist might have run into the original piece in question.

>>9541682
Did anon perhaps mean Mookie?

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>>9541144
Lmao is this you anon?

>praying for u

>>9541686
I've seen the original floating around for awhile in the fandom circle, so I wouldn't be surprised if Zetallis saw it, especially since the original has been up for 2 years.

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>>9541722
I'm not in the Bloodborne fandom but I checked both their twitters out of curiosity. The follower discrepancy was huge so I was wondering if it was even possible that zetallis had seen vvn's original post.

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Haven't gone yet, as today and tomorrow are loaded with panels and events.

Anyone selling guilty kiss shirts?

>>9541757
Yeah, it's a big follower difference, but it doesn't change the fact that I've personally seen the original artist's version around and others in the fandom may have as well. Popularity doesn't mean a person can't potentially copy a less popular artist.

>>9541784
>Popularity doesn't mean a person can't potentially copy a less popular artist.

Please see:
>I'm not saying that popular artists can't copy from less popular ones but I'm just wondering if there's a reasonable probability that the second artist might have run into the original piece in question.

I guess I'd be more convinced if it wasn't a specific bird from a specific game in a specific pose. Like to use an example from a different franchise, it'd be like if one artist drew a Korok with a stick and got mad that another artist also drew a Korok with a stick and they looked similar. They're both Korok with sticks, they're gonna look similar. These are both crows from Bloodborne in an iconic pose, they're gonna look similar. I've also seen cases were less popular artists have accused popular artists of stealing their concepts when the latter had never even heard of them. That might not be the case here but I've seen it happen enough to be cautious of just jumping on bandwagon art theft drama.

>>9541757
Yeah, but notice that vvn only joined Febuary 2016 while zeta had a twitter since August 2010. I don't Twitter following means much in this case, since the original post was in 2015 on Tumblr.

>>9541825
I assumed it was on Twitter since that's where the callout seemed to be taking place and since there's a strong artist community on Twitter. My bad.

Her tumblr post has about ~350 notes? Which isn't bad but it's not something I'd consider fandom famous or widespread enough for other artists in the fandom to have seen. It'd be another issue if they were mutuals or zetallis had liked vvn's post or something but as it stands, I don't really think there's solid proof that this was art theft.

Similar concepts in fanart happen all the time. In the Overwatch fandom, everyone draws reaper as that blob-bird. I've already seen at least 3-4 OW/Animal Crossing crossover all executed similarly. Most of the Persona 5 merch I've seen feature the exact same motifs (especially on washis and lanyards). It's harder to argue copy when the style itself is simplified. How many chibis are drawn in the exact same poses for the exact same fandoms?

I understand why she's upset but from a bystander's point of view, it seems kind of unprofessional to accuse someone of art theft publicly without pretty solid proof. I spent the better part of tonight talking with some artist friends about this because I thought I might be biased on the issue. (I've been accused wrongly of art theft before, so that's why I'm cautious about this.) Everyone I asked felt it was too simple a design to lay definitive claim over (just like you couldn't say a smiley face is your original idea) and was probably a coincidence. I know, "who the fuck cares about what some randos think" but I do think that some of the vitriol here is unwarranted when it literally could have been a coincidence.

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I just saw some people talking about an artist scamming them on Twitter so I dug into it a little and it's that one artist that's been brought up in these threads before for her shitty dakis?

Apparently she's not sending customers their expensive-ass daki orders and blocking them on social media when they complain. She's currently at AX in the exhibitor hall because she couldn't get an AA spot, with dakis she says she doesn't have in stock to fulfill her tictail orders. She's strategically not posting any photos of her booth because she knows she'll get caught in her lies.

It seems like there's a lot of this happening recently with prince-ichi too. How do you gulls feel about artists like this who don't show remorse toward customers who are waiting forever for their goods while they go to a million cons and sell the stock they should have mailed off for their online orders?

>>9541699
I feel like an idiot for not realizing Mookie is still this popular. She isn't a bad artist but I just don't like her style in recent years.

How are sales looking so far for you AX anons? Anyone go to A-kon a few weeks ago who can make a comparison?

I have a pretty decent following but the minute I get an AA table, all they do is say how they love my stuff and walk away. How do you guys deal with an audience that constantly wants things but never buys when there's a price tag on it?

>>9541262
If it's Mookie000 from tumblr, the line may be because she's only going to be there day 1 and 2 (possibly 3). So you may see relief tomorrow.

>>9542038
Ignore online audience always. A bunch of poor teenagers who spend all of their money funding each other's "help I came out as a homosexual transracial" Kickstarters are not going to be actual customers.

>>9542047
This, and I say that as someone who would love to support all their friends.

Especially this time of the year, literally everyone and their mom is making merch, so even if someone is genuinely interested, chances are they end up buying something else before they get to you.

>>9542038
start building up a following FROM conventions/places where people buy merch (i.e fandom sale groups), people who have bought from you in the past are much more likely to buy from you in the future than fifteen year olds who like all your posts and go omg I wish i had money :'(

>>9541679
How is yuumei even still paying rent with how little she creates.
I used to be so starry eyed with her work but now all she does is over-filtered sketchup paintovers then dissappears for another year and a half.

Speaking of followers, mine are great and honestly supportive. Dealing with some other artists is what gives me the most headache.
>follow an artist on Twitter because I like her art and expect nothing, but she follows back and we chat a bit. I start to realize I'm the one initiating chats.
>months pass and we've barely spoken, and she only posts memes now
>unfollow, and she immediately DMs me asking why and if it was a mistake
>tell her the truth that I'm cleaning up my follows to people I chat back and forth with
>she get pissed, tell me she can't talk to everyone (even though she had enough time to confront me)
I just want to make artist friends (and in general). AA is lonely

>>9542250
Didn't Yuumei have a bunch of drama surrounding her a few years back?

>>9542286
>DMs me

Wtf. I've been mutuals with so many other artists and I've never had that happen lmao. Granted, with the people I suspected they'd do something like that, I always put them on mute.

>>9542250
>>9542326
She made millions off of her Axent wear stuff. You know those cat ear headphones she started it all, not to mention she makes a shitton of money through doing cons year round! (Even during Akon I think she was selling her art, but another con was happening at the same time and her friend was selling for her there) Im sure yuumei makes a pretty penny. Like I remember the indiegogo for axent wear was like 100k and then it ended up being funded to 3mil

Drama with her was from around thosr cat earphones, she made a ton of money off of it - product was super delayed ( like a year and a half to 2 years delayed) and then the end product still looked crap. Not to mention her best friend ans co partner for axent wear didn't want to be part of the team, but still wanted credit for the headphones and shit. The friend like changed passwords or some shady shit I cant recall.
Other smaller hiccups was that she now uses 3D renders (made from artists she hired) and paints/sketches over them, because of her health condition. Apparently she can't draw for more than 3hrs a day or some shit so she hired artists to draw half the work for her.
Besides that....I do enjoy her older works...idk her newer ones are very meh

>>9542043
That's on the busiest day though. Also wtf is with only using a booth for 2 out of the 4 days??? this person is so problematic

>>9542365
She says she cant draw for more than a couple of hours a day because of a "repetitive motion injury" in her wrist which just sounds like a fancy term for carpel tunnel.
If she's truly damaged her wrist to the extent she claims, i seriously would like to know what her drawing posture looks like.
I know plenty of artists, professional and hobbyists, with "repetitive motion injuries" that can still draw their own shit without relying on 3D renders as much as she does.

>>9542377

To be fair, I think that category of injuries is pretty broad. A lot of artists have experienced repetitive motion stress and might have pain from time to time vs. someone who has it constantly. Certainly though I would think there would be some kind of help she could get for an injury like that.

>>9542370

It's one thing to leave your table to go to panels, but it's a whole other thing to just not go to the con for two days. I would have had a proxy go instead.

>>9542043
Does she not stay because it's too expensive for hotels or something? Wtf

>>9542382
Here's what she said on her tumblr
>I’ll be at AX the first two days! the 3rd day im iffy cuz theirs no good flights and the 4th day I wont be there!
Seems like she's having issues with flights. Her flight in was delayed and they broke all the wheels on her suitcase

>>9542365
>she hired artists to draw half the work for her.

Wow that's a new low

>>9542286
I'll be your AA friend if you want. What cons do you usually go to?

https://twitter.com/hitsukuya/status/881565291473379328

Anyone at AX have any additional info on this?

>>9542411
NAYRT, but ehh kind of. I mean yeah obviously that sucks that she's not doing everything on her own, but most professional artists don't. Mangaka have assistants. Comic illustrations are basically group projects at this point. As long as she's not claiming otherwise (disclaimer: I don't follow her so maybe she is and THAT is a problem), I don't think it's an issue.

>>9542491
But that's kind of my point, does she really have enough of a brand so to say, to justify having assistants basically doing most of it?

>>9541880
Somebody who knows the artist is trying to get the situation straightened out atm.

>>9542491
>>9542517
Its not even that though. Mangakas have assistants to do clean-up or toning, or backgrounds or stuff like that.
Shes straight up hiring other artists to make 3D models of her characters so she can just pose them how she wants, and then put it through a couple hundred layers of photoshop filters and viola - you have her comic.
Which is exactly what she does for all of her other illustrations.

I mean I could go and do the same thing but people would call me out for the sheer cheap laziness of it.
I want to know if she can even draw half of the stuff she puts out there in the first place.

>>9542556
This is not a popular opinion by any means and sorry if I offend any of my fellow seagulls, but this is exactly why I don't think digital art can ever be considered real art.

>>9542593
There's plenty of digital art done without any tracing, or paintovers, or whatever else.

>>9542593
By that manner of thinking, then I could just say that traditional art isnt real art because lightboxes exist.

Yuumei's straight up pathetic and lazy technique of going about digital art is a rare example and exactly why I'm complaining about it.

>>9542533
Do you nbow the details of what happened? Like a customer who knows the artist is talking to them? I'm not sure what you mean because your post came off a little cryptic.

>>9542626
Sure, but there's still work involved there. I can't slap on a bunch of filters and use PS actions even if I can use a lightbox.

>>9542638
Yeah but its still not a representation of your average digital artist?
Just because Yuumei cuts every possible corner doesnt mean everyone else with a tablet does too.

Post yummies art? I haven't heard of her.

Anyone else see that one artist selling the filtered screen cap from spirited away as a 20 dollar poster

>>9542556

I don't know. I've kind of stopped caring if anyone can draw naturally because of the rampant abuse of 3D modelling programs.

I mean, I want to be impressed with technical ability, but that's become outdated with software like Clip Studio running around. Besides, I feel like the focus has shifted away from artistic merit and more towards entertainment. (Entertainment being in the form of videos, comics, animation, and .gifs.)

>>9542007
Same, I was surprised too
All that bitch draws is Haikyuu so you'd think she'd fade away along with that dying fandom

>>9542973
I know her as "the perpetual 15 year old who only draws autistic shit"
idk how old she is, she could actually be 15 or 25 and i wouldn't be able to tell.

>>9543019
Pretty sure she's going to be 26

Anyone selling tapir anything at their booth? Asking for imouto

>>9542490
No additional info here, but I find this situation so ridiculous. She's there clearly selling all her work with a consistent style vs. booths of chinese bootleggers carrying a mishmash of everything, and con staff wouldn't even talk to them? With the entire burden of proof on her? Such disrespect.

>>9543548

Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the vendor to show a licensing agreement if it was selling her art legitimately? They should be able to prove that she allowed them to do that if that had been the case. Because in all honesty her showing that she has the original file doesn't do anything because theoretically she could have licensed it to them. Therefore the proof HAS to fall on the exhibitor to provide proof that it's legit. Otherwise it's obviously bootleg.

>>9542490
So AX allows selling bootlegs? Really cool.

>>9543652
I mean they allow people to sell pins of memes, not like they can actually keep track/know who the actual artist...omg I just got an awesome idea. I could just print out a bunch of prints from another artist and then go to cons and say I'm their friend/partner, and I'm just helping them sell. If anyone actually asked, I would say Blank is actually in anther state working another con.

....I'll be rich and won't have to put in any work. Nice.

>>9543681
Is it worth getting shit talked about you in one of these threads?

>>9543716

...is that a real question? If it is, than absolutely.

>Free Money
>4chan subgroup cosplay section will talk shit about you on the internet
>HMMMMMMMMMM

>>9543725
But you'll never be as good as the Bee-Gees, anon.

>>9543681
you'd risk legal action from the artists you steal from, you never know anon

>>9543747
I can if I believe in myself enough!!

>>9543774
I'm sure there's a loop hole with the whole fan art thing for that.

>>9543785
What if you steal someone's original prints thinking it's some random shit you don't watch?

>>9543785
your art must suck a lot if you feel the need to keep talking about this jackass idea

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>>9543818
Super easy to research that.

>>9543837
What if I can't draw at all? I can make bank with other people's work. What do I care?

>>9543874
I mean people already rip other people's art on google images and do that so you're not the first one to think of this idea

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Seems pretty on topic with what's going on in the thread right now

>>9544150
I knew I wasn't crazy when I saw those in the trailer! I was like wait a second why do those look so familiar.

>>9544150
this seems like a Wacdonalds situation

>>9544163
That's what I was thinking. She's not going to have a leg to stand on besides complaining. Lol.

Btw.
Someone mentioned that she made a few Million dollars with that idea. Does anyone know how much the guy who made those furry ears that moved based on your "emotions" profited?

>>9544170
yeah but how much of those millions of dollars went into the legal fees fighting her friend for the design rights

>>9544150
Can she really say they "stole" and "ripped" off her design when all they did was feature a real world item? The comments on her post are all saying she should take legal action but really it's just headphones featured on an animated show. They aren't mass producing them for sale.

Didn't she sell the rights to Brookstone? Ir does she still see headphone profits?

>>9544247
According to Brookstone, they bought the rights. She also got mad (and got her twitter mob to attack Buzzfeed and Brookstone) when she wasn't directly credited when an Arianda Grande collabed with Brookstone to make her own model, and Yuumei wasn't credited for making the cat heat headphones in the first place.

>>9544275
whoops that's what you get for selling the rights to anything, it doesn't belong to you anymore, even if you came up with its very existence

>>9544150
She sold ALL HER FUCKING RIGHTS to brookstone, it doesn't belong to her anymore

She's such a fucking idiot and it's a wonder how she's still alive. She doesn't even set up or sell at her own table, she always has groupies to do it for her

>>9544307
cant run her table for too long bcuzz of her wrist injury :'''(((

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I don't get you people. All you do is steal art from popular anime and video games, but then get mad when some nobody on devianart steals your artwork.

Unless they are actually copy/pasting the art and selling it, I don't see the problem. Someone redrawing something similar to what you made is no different than you redrawing naruto or whatever.

Also >>9544150
wut, Is an anime not allowed to depict real life things or something? Wow, free advertisement of your product on an anime. I feel so bad for you.

>>9544380
Honestly as an artist I agree with you, people being butt hurt reposts and shit by some random are deeply rooted with insecurity

And yeah yuumei is fucking retarded, I guess UC Berkeley didn't teach her shit

>>9542697
Entertainment is what sells because it's overall more memorable than just a single impressive painting. Usually anyway. In the world that we live in, there's so much media to consume out there that you have to really stick out even more than usual.

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>>9544380
>making fanart is stealing art from the source material
?????

>>9544380
making fanart is completely different than taking pure un-edited source material key art and claiming it as your own.

>>9544443
>taking pure un-edited source material key art and claiming it as your own.

Thats what I said, copy/pasting art is bad, but drawing a crow similar to how some else did is no different than fan art.

>>9544454
Completely agree, people need to stop acting like it's the end of the world when someone draws something similar to yours. 90% of art nowadays is stealing in a graceful manner anyways lmao.

Also people please l2r, the post even says copy pasting is bad.

>>9544150
Fuck this Yummei chick, there's a FLCL S2???

>>9544275
She's so stupid and incompetent. How does she function? And more importantly, can we get a thread about this girl on lolcow or something so I don't have to keep getting autisticly frustrated whenever she comes up?

>>9544585
And S3

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Okay this is probably a long shot but does anyone know who's mushishi watercolor print this is and if the artist is at AX?

I bought this one a years ago but it and all my other prints got water damaged during a house moving and would love to get it replaced as it was my favorite ;_;

>>9544631
some casual googling shows it's by this person:
http://mushpatch.2ya.com/
https://twitter.com/pompipal

>>9544641
Thanks, anon!

Their twitter suggest they arent drawing anymore or attending AX, welp.

Question for the people that make their own stickers. What spray do you use? The LD sticker paper that has been suggested on these threads yellows like a motherfucker.

>>9544677
I use this paper https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B016CV811U/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and spray a coat of this https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00023JE7K/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I've never had problem from yellowing, but I don't make that many stickers.

>>9544586
I've heard stories from her groupies that she's so stupid she almost burnt down her apartment trying to cook, fucking idiot

>>9544843
Why is that popular artist are the most incompetent?

>>9544586
Careful now, you'll make her try to commit suicide again and/or write another sad journal entry on tumblr or whatever she uses now.

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https://twitter.com/selkiedream/status/881937552420110341

>>9544886

Leaving alone the issue of tracing, that thing is hideous. Why would anyone want to win it?

>>9544923
It's also HUGE. Like 4 feet by 3 feet. You want that HUGE fucking ugmo thing hanging in your room? I wouldn't even want it for free.

>>9544886

Also are raffles not against the rules in AA? Maybe I'm thinking of another con, most AAs don't allow them.

>>9544962
Looks like AX is allowing everything from bootleg Chinese artists to raffles.

>>9544843
I remember she herself made a post about that incident on deviantart except it was written more as "woee im so clumsy~"

>go to Yuumei's deviantart
>remember that Knite thing from like 10 years ago
>"I'm a digital artist, graphic novelist, and UC Berkeley grad with a focus on environmentalism and cyber activism."
Great

>>9545008
>Yuumei's deviantart

Ok I just looked her up. What's wrong with her? You guys don't like the coloring style? She's one of the few people I see that has all original art after everyone was bitching about making fanart vs make your own?

>>9545010
Her art is fine. Great even. SHE is the problem- not her art.

>>9538206
I believe that is a furry stand good sir.

>>9544851
They invested all their life points into art and now all their other stats are stunted?

>>9544851

My theory is that there are a lot of people who are just fucking crazy, but with the internet giving people an easily accessible platform, people rise to fame online without having to pass other hurdles like social interaction or intelligence, so you end up with people gaining a bunch of followers and popularity who were already nutso and have no idea how to handle themselves with that amount of attention directed at them. It's why real famous people hire publicists, to help them mask their weird shit.

>>9545024
Nah, her art isn't anything special.

So here's a question for someone who has literally never sold anything, but wants to.

I have a rather large following on Tumblr (about to hit 7k). I've never offered prints or whatever, as I always just doodled for fun. Recently though I've hit some big finical issues and I've finally decided that if I spend so much time drawing fan art, ugh, fine I'll sent up a shop. Problem is, how do 'pre-orders" work if you have no money to invest on getting your items made/printed. So I get 10 preorders (just cause I have followers doesn't mean any of them will actually drop the funds to buy stuff). So those preorders get me 100$. But to order 200 items of my thing, it will cost 250$. Then I just end up ruining my rep if I say sorry and refund everyone and cancel my shop item.

Tldr; need money to invest to make money. Literally don't have money to invest to make money. What do?

>>9545085
It's probably better than yours, anon.

>>9545112
if you need $250 to fulfill pre-orders, then just say that if you don't get enough pre-orders in a certain amount of days that you'd refund everyone.

>>9545112
You should probably make something that doesn't require you to make 200 of it then, anon. Look into prints or charms or something simple that you can also have a very small minimum order of. If you do enough research you should be able to rely on the pre-order fees or invest in commissions. Or a job.

>>9544886

And now AX said that the original artist has to complain to artist alley HQ. Lmao, how can a con charge so much and give so few fucks?

>>9545112

Maybe try opening a RedBubble or Society6 first? Then you can start making money and seeing what kind of interest there is for your stuff, with no investment risk.

>>9545127
On top of that, if they kick out the art thieves, it's not like there aren't another 100 artist waiting to take their table that didn't get in the first time around.

>>9545129
I looked those two places up and they only offer to make prints and stickers.

>>9545112
Maybe offer commissions until you can afford physical merch? Or start a Patreon

>>9545136

Redbubble has shirts, bags, and a ton of other things actually. It's a really great place for any artist to start because you can start learning how to design for products and what pieces of yours sell vs what gets likes but doesn't necessarily make money, without putting any money in. Also if you can't get people to buy prints and stickers of your art then you might have a rough time getting people to buy your specific mystery product.

>>9545112
Number of followers you have does not in any way suggest how many people will actually buy from you.
Open commissions first and see if people will even buy your stuff.
THEN maybe consider opening preorders for bigger ticket items.

>>9545175

Not the Asking OP, but I have to argue one point you made. I make enamel pins and sadly RedBubble and Society6 don't offer to make those. If they did, oh man.

Anyway. I did that once, I offered a sticker of a design that I wanted to make a pin. It didn't sell very well as a sticker. But once I made it a pin, I've been selling out of them at least once a month and have to reorder them for my etsy. Maybe it's just cause it's a nice time to have pins? Maybe people aren't into stickers right now? Etc, who knows how the market fluxes. But I wouldn't relay on offering an item as a one thing to see if people like it and then use that as your gauge if you should make it into something else. Don't make a print and use that as your gauge if you should make it into a notebook cover, etc.

Just my two pennies on the subject. Oh and if RedBubble or Socity6 is in here, you guys need to make enamel pins a thing. I would gladly pay an extra $50 bucks to get my pins made in America and distributed through you if that means I don't have to wait 3 weeks to get my order in from China.

>>9545127
AX is too big to fail. If they don't deal with this, it doesn't matter because there are always going to be naive artists who will still throw down to exhibit at AA. Their infrastructure is probably so fucked that even dealing with this kind of issue probably doesn't have an efficient process or pipeline. I don't even know if they have a way of dealing with things like bootlegging or art theft considering how much it happens. They COULD just kick the artist/exhibitor out, but I honest to god just think the staff is too fucking lazy to deal with anything because of how huge and hectic the con is.

>>9545198

But my point is that it's a place to start? Vs dropping several hundred dollars on merch that might not sell. RB/S6 literally costs nothing to put your stuff on, that's why I'm suggesting it as a good place to at least start working on and thinking about these things. Yeah the OP might run into situations similar to yours but it's not going to be every case, and at least putting stuff up and out there is better than putting up this artificial catch 22 where you need to earn money to make money to earn money.

I'm actually not the biggest fan of either website, now that I'm more established, but the experience I got from making stuff on there was really valuable.

>>9545198

Also RB/S6 will never offer enamel pins unless someone invents a manufacturing method that doesn't involve a mold. The whole point of those sites is that items can be made to order and there's no investment of money or time for either party until an order is made. Not only would they need to make and store molds for whatever any person loads into their site, they'd have to individually manufacture the pins to order, which isn't cost effective at all.

The shirt sites that do the "we'll print this design if we get at least 20 orders" thing would be more suitable for something like pins.

>>9545112
I personally thought this was simple business sense but maybe consider this as an option:

Open a tictail or something for w/e you're making. Idk, let's just say charms. If it costs $25 per 10 charms, figure out how much shipping may cost. Let's say $15, so the total production cost would be $40. If you do paid preorders through Tictail or something and charge $10/charm, you would only need 4 preorders to get them made. Let your customers know that if you can't reach a certain preorder amount, then the orders will be cancelled and they will be refunded. I know and have seen a lot of beginning artists and even more established ones go this path so they don't have to make things until they have money.

If it's something like prints or stickers or anything else paper, I would definitely go the Redbubble/Society6 route.

>>9545236
>>9545249
>>9545198

Awesome advice! Thank you. I'll look into seeing if a print will sell and then go from there, so what my time vs money vs effort/no effort comes from it.

Thanks.

>>9545085
Your art doesn't have to be special to be good or even great. There's nothing wrong with generic art that looks good. At the end of the day, no one wants unique art if it looks like shit.

>>9544150
This bitch always crying how people steal from her when her ideas are comeplely unoriginal and tired. It's all ego. Love live has cat ear headphones too guess that means they stole from her

What's the general consensus on vendors who only sell perler bead art? Really sucks when these no talent shmucks take up a slot that could've been used for someone with creative talent and original artwork.

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>>9545282
I remember wayyyyy back in the day when some highschooler copied this pic and used it to enter a contest to win a scholarship or smth.
She ended up winning, but one of her classmates recognized the art, notified Yuumei, and she then publically called this girl out and had her entire personal army calling her school and the people in charge of the contest to get her in trouble or something.
She ended up getting her scholarship revoked and had to post a public apology and everything.

Now that I'm an adult looking back on it; She could have dealt with that situation a lot more... maturely.

Even now she's still relying on her fanbase personal army for the smallest infraction to her ego. It's like shes not even aware of the kind of reach she has - Or maybe she is, but just misuses that position of notoriety.

>>9545112
bruh just say that if there aren't sufficient preorders then the item wont go into production

>>9545282
>>9545324
She loves playing the victim. It's part of her whole shtick. She's so weak and delicate. She needs her army to protect her uwu.

>>9545317
Perler bead art is not art and most large cons' AAs block them outright. Save that stuff for Etsy is my opinion.

>>9545317
Honestly? Perler bead art in general doesn't bother me at all, but as with all things you get a range of good, bad, and in between.

Personally I prefer to see more creative stuff- I've seen some really neat photo frames and 3D pieces made using perler beads. On the other hand of course you also have folks who are outright just tracing from existing sprites (and unfortunately, they seem to be in the majority).

>>9544150
Anime do this with Japanese fashion items all the time as a cameo/easter egg to reflect real fashion trends. They probably intended for this to be a shoutout.

>>9544641
Oh i have that print. It's absolutely gorgeous. Sorry about your loss

>>9544631

......You guys think that's a nice print? You paid money for it once and you like it so much you'll pay for it again?

FOR FUCK SAKE why am I TRYING SO HARD to make my shit look top tier.

>>9545827

That's LITERALLY the shtick for Tiger & Bunny.

>>9544150
This is such fuckin bullshit. If I made a million dollars off selling a design and it got so fucking famous that fuckin FLCL wanted in on it, I'd be ecstatic. What an entitled bitch. If she wanted her name to be on it forever she should have built her own company rather than sell the rights to someone else.

>>9545324
>It's like shes not even aware of the kind of reach she has

She absolutely does. Once I ran a comm with people willing to go to bat for me over anything, and I can tell you that a little power like that is intoxicating and easy to misuse even with the best intentions. A person who enjoys the power and feels no moral obligation to be better would recognize exactly what they are doing and not give a shit about it. She makes other people hurt people for her, while boosting her ego up more by telling her she's so right and great, and in the end she has clean hands because she can claim she never really intended for her followers to hurt anyone. This is why a lot of internet famous people end up going crazy and doing ED level shit. Knowing you can just sic people at someone you hate and are almost guaranteed to get away with it is too much of a temptation for most people.

>>9545906
For yourself? Why would you settle for anything less?

>>9545910
You know the brands PAID to be in T&B, right?

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>>9545906
>wahhh people like something i don't personally find appealing, why do i even bother wahhh

>>9544886
i like how tracer's just hanging out showing off her gun while her friend is assaulted by a vampire

...tracer is a good character for these threads huh? the name

>>9545175
>>9545236
different anon. you seem to know a lot about redbubble. is there anything else i should know about having a store there? why aren't you the biggest fan?

also i'm looking for steven universe on the search and i stg half these images are stolen from the show itself, is that typical

>>9546333
>is that typical

yes

>>9546333
Nayrt but on Redbubble the profit margins are a little small. I don't necessarily feel comfortable putting my margins somewhere where I make more money because I'm sure people would immediately go for something cheaper.
It's not a service that will make you see money very quickly, and the stuff that they push in their ads and obviously want you to be selling is normie hipster art.
(boy howdy if you wanna see some fuckin unoriginal shit search fall out boy)

>>9546333
>>9546446
Also nayrt but as a customer: I absolutely hate whatever ink RB is using to print their t-shirts. I've bought a couple through RB from artists I like but something about the ink just... isn't set right.

That said their stickers are decent and I bought a pair of leggings as well that are absolutely top quality.

>>9546333

I'm original anon and I could go on for a year about the problems I've had with RB. They have some really shady business practices and it's really obvious they don't care about their creative community and are just trying to wring out as much money from this whole endeavor as possible. I know they're a business and that's what they do but they're super transparent about it and I've been fucked over more than once because of their shit.

Other anon's advice is useful. You don't make a lot there, and they super overcharge for their shit. (But if you run a popular shop it can add up. During christmas season I can make around 1k if I update with new things). You can't payout whenever you want, you have to wait for their payout date. Also like anon said, they want you to be selling normie art, so if you're selling fanwork or anything cool and interesting then they'll never promote you, you pretty much have to rely on self promotion to drive traffic to your listings.

Art theft is pretty bad too, especially if you have popular products. I discovered that a lot of other shady sites use the top search results for particular tags as basically a grab bag of designs they steal and put in their own shops. RB could allow you to display more heavily watermarked work, or mark it better themselves, but they care more about sales than protecting you. I messaged them directly about it and they acted like I was nuts. I ended up just taking all of my tags off of everything to try and hide my work from thieves, which ends up in less sales of course.

Aside from that... They've changed product manufacturing qualities without notifications, removed like a ton of color options for their shirts, while pushing new dumb products like acrylic block prints which cater to a group of people they'd like to have shopping their site but are most definitely NOT the people on their site. They have a young nerd crowd because of all the fandom merch but they are in denial over it.

>>9546333
>>9546602


Despite all this, I still recommend it, because as a tool it's still pretty neat. I started using it pretty early so the concept of being able to print your stuff on a shirt was really new and awesome, and it still feels pretty cool to just be able to put stuff up and people will buy and wear it. I learned a lot about designing for different color backgrounds and how to place designs on clothes, how to plan art for print, and it's a useful extra boost to my income, even when it's not that much.

Also don't forget to report it on your taxes. When I first started I was able to just report it as hobby income because I was just fucking around with it.

(Sorry for the tl;dr.)

Anyone at AX going to have a good final day sale in AA? I already made sure to snag what I wanted on the first day, but figured I might make a trip back to the convention center only if it was worth my while.

>>9546609
never be sorry, this was all very helpful. as well as you >>9546512 anon

Anyone selling Guilty Kiss posters? Or anything for that matter.

Anon who got sales blocked by mookie fangirls here, she left early and when I came in this morning she left garbage everywhere. What is wrong with her and why is she so ((literally)) trashy?

Hope AX penalizes this fool, this is just lazy and disrespectful

Is it a good idea to put inventory expenses on a credit card so you can have items before a deadline?

I technically have the money to pay for the stuff now but it would leave me completely broke. Next payday would leave companies no time to send the stuff before the con.

>>9547199
I don't think AX has ever nailed anyone for trashing shit unfortunately, it's usually a fucking mess after the last day.

>>9547267
dont go crazy but isnt that what a credit card is for?

>>9547267
If it's a manageable amount, this is literally what a credit card is for. Why are you asking cgl how to use a credit card anyway

>>9547507
>>9547312
Was banned from having one so I never used one before. Thanks for the tips guys.

>>9547568
I'm making an example of you because we're all anonymous here, sorry in advance.

Has anyone else had to teach an excessive amount of fellow artists how to essentially be adults? I ended up teaching someone nearly ten years older than me how to write a contract because I felt so sorry for her. It was pathetic. She was getting ripped off right and left on commissions because she was such a fucking doormat too. Don't even get me started on the financial stuff. What is it about selling art that brings out the adult children?

>>9547698
A lot of the basic entrepreneurship skills required for starting a business are the kind of thing that aren't taught in high school, and aren't require in a fine arts degree. I don't think it's necessarily that artists are more childish than other adults, but that adult skill sets are a trial-by-fire experience, and beginning Artist Alley sellers are in the age range where they're just starting to figure out how little they know about adulting. 18-22 is that age where many people are leaving the nest for the first time, running into all those things they should know but no one ever thought to teach them.

>>9547709
Nayrt but my high school had a mandatory business class where we had to submit a business plan and figure out budgeting. And if someone is serious about running AA as a business most questions regarding contracts and business language can easily be googled. Heck, contract templates are dime a dozen online. If you're American, most junior/community colleges offer business classes and your state's BOE or tax comptroller's offices will run seminars for small business owners. When I first started doing AAs right out of high school I talked to my more experienced friends and spent hours on forums to figure out things I didn't know. There are a lot more resources for this stuff now so there's really no excuse for not doing the research.

I've noticed that a lot of AA people are used to riding the coattails of the community. I have acquaintances who are so used to joining group orders that they need their hands held through every single step if they have to order merch by themselves or will completely refuse to order on their own.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Everyone from the AA at AX, howja dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?

>>9547698
Kind of related, but I was teaching a decently popular artist a year younger than me but had like 3-4 years of AA experience at big conventions (meanwhile I had under 6 months experience at the time) how to file her fucking taxes and apply for a business license. She was so painfully clueless and clearly didn't do any research herself whatsoever (her stickers were cheap paper, her charms were shrink film, didn't know about card readers, etc. despite 4 years of tabling). People are so lazy, even when they're successful.

>>9547735
Completely agree on the group orders coattails thing and how most people stay clueless even with tons and tons of resources everywhere now.

>>9547775
>>9547735
>>9547709
It's just so frustrating because we fucking have all of this information right there at our fingertips. Why am I teaching you how to do simple shit like this? I'm making the next person who asks me about simple business practices pay me in charms or something, I swear.

>>9547757
I had a half booth space in the dealers hall and it was my best con yet

>>9547808
hi ashley. are you mailing out your daki orders so you won't get accused of scamming your customers?

>>9547822

Go on...Don't mind me. Just eating popcorn in the corner.

>>9547827
you can see what happened in this post >>9541880

she shared a booth this year because she couldn't get into the aa and instead of fulfilling her customers' orders she took the stock to sell at cons instead. she started blocking people who were asking where their stuff was.

>>9547857
How do people manage to dig such huge graves for themselves like this.

>>9547857

Eeshe.

Btw, whats better, sell in the Dealers Room or AA?

>>9547822
Hi, I'm Whitney, the other daki seller. All orders outstanding on my online shop are getting mailed out Friday when I get back to Georgia.

>>9547908
Is there an explanation of why you guys were apparently blocking customers? Also I thought this was about a person named Ashley?

>>9548017
This person they're talking about is Ashley, Witney is another AA artist that sells male dakimakuras who also had a half exhibition booth. They're 2 different people, the original poster just mistook her as Ashely because not a lot of AA artists do a Exhibition booth share.

How was everyone's time selling in the AA? Did everyone make tons of money/break even and then some??? There were a lot of amazing artists this year!

>>9548041
That makes sense. I thought Whitney was the person Ashley was sharing with or something from how that was phrased. Excuse me for the brainfart.

>>9547908
I'm glad you did well, anon! It's always great to see gulls succeed - especially when they have good work ethic unlike people like >>954188 I can't even imagine blocking a customer unless they were threatening me. Asking where their stuff is seems like an innocuous question.

>>9548046
I shared the half-booth in Exhibition Hall with Witney, and I did extremely well too. We decided to register and pay for an exhibition booth again next year before con ended, but apparently a lot of exhibitors already locked in booths and because we had lower priority (first year) we couldn't keep the same corner booth we had this year and had to pick a different booth.

Hopefully people don't pay and booths free up because I really liked our spot this year.

>>9548046
Best con I've done by far - broke 2.5k for the first time which is amazing to me since I primarily sell small shit like buttons and stickers!

Earned about 1.2k
First time at AX. Hope I can break this number next year.

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Reposting from the AX thread just in case anyone from AX AA could help me with this!

Hey guys, I'm usually pretty good at keeping track of the artists who drew the prints I buy.... But for some reason I didn't have any label to this one!?!?! I literally spent the last FIVE hours looking for this artist - tumblr, twitter, deviantart, zero chan, google, instagram....
Does ANYONE recognize the artist of this print!?

>>9548142
You can do it!

>>9548128
Grats! I hope you can even double that next year!

Which items sold out the quickest for you guys? I was kinda looking for Emilia stuff but they were all gone on the fourth day.

>>9547698

I can file taxes, wrote my own contracts, found my own clients signed up for tables at alleys and managed my own products with little help but go ahead and assume I'm an "adult child" because I never owned a credit card.

I saw a few artists in aa and exhibitors, i thought yiu guys weren't allowed in both places at the same time? Or was i remembering a different con that had that rule

>>9548708
I'm assuming you're an adult child because you couldn't Google the question you asked, retard.

>>9548757
I think that rule is going into effect at AX starting next year? I forget.

I've actually been wondering about this rule for a bit. What happens when a third party exhibitor buys things from you wholesale/or on a commission basis? For example, a lot of t-shirt based booths pay their artists commission per shirt sold. I've personally been approached by comic book vendors who wanted to carry some of my prints at their store. Even companies like Sanshee have collab items with artists. Omocat also had shirt collabs with other artists as well. In cases like this, do you think the artist is still allowed to have a table in the AA or would you see his as someone trying to find loopholes in the rules to be in both AA and exhibit hall? I've been thinking about splitting my work into original/fanart and seeing if I could find some vendors aho want to carry my originals while running my own table in the AA. I just don't want to step on any toes so I thought I would ask for your opinions.

>>9548760
>Assuming I didn't

You do realize a question that specific (to AA no less) wouldn't yield any good results?

Are you always this easily triggered.

>>9548046
60 short of hitting 2k.
It was my first time at AX, primarily sold buttons and crochet stuff. It was a good learning experience and I'm glad it wasn't roasting in there.

>>9548708

I don't think it's a problem you asked a question. You're not stupid for asking. You would be if you didn't bother asking and complained about the situation later after screwing it up. Ignore them.

>>9548046
Made 5k. Very happy, since my previous cons have been kind of bad. AX is a hellhole, but boy does it rake in the cash.

>>9548278

That's dii / @rhymebox on Twitter! Followed her for years and years, so I can recognize her art from a mile away lol.

>>9548046
Hit 7.5k for the first time since starting AA and I'm floored.

>>9549078
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I can't believe I didn't grab her business card or at least take a picture of where I could find her...I was legit going to search through the entire AA directory to find the artist. THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH ㅠㅠ<3

>>9548046
This was my best convention yet. I made 3 times as much as I did at last year's AX and twice my all-time record. I had more costs this year since paid for two tables and had to produce more prints/merch to fill the space. I ended up hitting well above 10k even after costs. I hope I can get two tables again for next year because the visibility really helped draw a lot of people to my table.

Also congrats on everyone making tons of cash!!! I hope next year doubles for you guys! Honestly there was so much amazing art and merch this year, I was spending like crazy. I hope to table at AX one day, but for now I shall throw all my money at you guys ahaha

Question!
What was your guys's best sellers? Fandom and merch type? Was it overwatch keychains? P5 stickers? Holo prints? Buttons?
What raked in the money?

>>9549222
My Hero Academia! I had BNHA prints last year at AX too but they hardly moved. The fandom's picked up a lot of traction with season 2 of the anime so I ended up selling out of all my BNHA prints this year.

>>9549217
Congrats! That amazing. I'm wondering how many different items do you have for sale? Do you appeal to a lot of different fandoms or focus on just a few?

>>9549222
Overwatch and JJBA stuff (charms, buttons, prints) moved like crazy at my booth (although I was in exhibit hall.) I'm surprised I managed to sell P5 stuff (charms, buttons) considering how popular it was in AA, although I think that's more to do with my location than anything else.

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anyone know where you can order some of these heart buttons? I've been seeing a lot more of them and I'd love to include more niche fandoms.

>>9549375
I have a ton of different fandoms. I think for prints alone I probably have 30~ different designs since I do both comic and anime conventions. I do make multiple items/merch of my favorite fandoms and I've noticed that I tend to make higher sales when I have items that people can buy as sets! Also, I'm a pretty active member of some of the fandoms online, so I got a lot of customers who recognized me from tumblr/twitter.

>>9549398
Thanks. I just started so I only have 8 prints so far. So I'll be working towards having more print designs. I also noticed people really liked sets too.

when does AX open their applications for 2018?

>>9549381
I've been looking for another US supplier too, I have alibaba sources for heart and star buttons, but I can't justify getting 500 done atm. The local person I use has their own machine, but their printing is grainy and the mylar isn't cleanly pressed at the dip in the middle of the heart which bothers me a lot.

There was an etsy person on AANI advertising their service for it but it was like 5 buttons for $13 + S&H which isn't great.

>>9549381
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Custom-logo-custom-heart-button-pin_60616893194.html?s=p

Here. I've been using these guys for ages. I'm done with AAs. Let me know what other shit you guys need. I'm giving out all of my sources. You want reviews? I got reviews. I can't spend my life slaving away to make anime drawings for cash anymore. I'm almost 30. I need a real job.

>>9549646
you know where people are getting those faux leather pouches at?

Also I'm sorry to see you go, I hope you have a nice and successful life.

>>9549702
Maybe? Can you post a photo of what you're talking about. I'm not sure if you're talking about those steampunk looking things, wallets, or something else altogether.

>>9549486
I think apps for returning artists are today. I know for sure the apps for everyone else were moved to August.

>>9549715
Wrong, returning artists can reg in August. General table sales are tbd currently.

>>9549702
I really wanted that shitty pickablu faux leather case with "beeekaaa" on the back but i was sold out.

I wonder what the lifetime quality is on the faux leather pouches. I know they tend to shed after a while.

>>9549646
I've seen people with pillow lately. If you made them before, were there any supplier you liked in particular?

>>9549398
I'm thinking of doing LACC (Comickaze/STan Lee Comic Con) and making some comic prints for it. Do you have any experiences with tabling at this con you can share? Is it even worth it to bring anime merchandise?

>>9549646
Those anime character pillows? Or Enamel pins?

>>9549867
I got anything stuffed from these guys right here: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Best-made-design-customized-food-shape_60590637761.html

High minimum quantity (200), but it's one of those things that pays for itself after you sell like 25% of what you bought (maybe even less). These guys are really nice. Their products are great and so is the service.

Semi-related tip: If you can't find exactly what you're looking for, just reach out to a bunch of vendors that are kind of what you're looking for. Chances are they can do exactly what you're wanting, they just don't advertise it.

>>9549876
Yeah! I've been doing Comikaze for about... 4 or 5 years now. It's grown exponentially since it first started and it's one of my favorites since it's local to me. I always do pretty decent there, but last year I pulled in about 6k with mostly print sales which I didn't expect. The crowd there is mostly normie/young and it's a lot of people who wanted to go to SDCC but couldn't get a badge. I had a lot of people say that it was their first con ever about 2 years ago.

When sports animes were popular, I was one of the only people in the AA with Haikyuu prints and they sold really well for me. I think anime merch can be worth it since it seems like a lot of younger people go just to cosplay and they tend to be more familiar with anime. I would discourage you from doing anime merch only though. If you have any general pop culture fandoms that you like, doing those alongside your anime stuff will be a lot more stable. It's also kind of a table placement gamble! I had a really good corner spot last year and did really well, but one of my friends got placed in the very very back because they added a last minute row of tables for waitlisted artists and she did terrible.

There are a TON of attendees and it definitely has name recognition because it's affiliated with Stan Lee. Be careful though, because they do have some celeb signings which can detract from sales. If you're smart about it, having prints of whatever fandom the celebs are from will boost sales. My comm example used to be Brienne of Tarth and the one year they had Gwendoline Christie as an autograph guest and I had 20 different people commission me to draw them a copy of my commission example.

This is just my experience though so it might be different for you! But it's a con I would definitely recommend if you have more than anime-only stock.

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>>9549710
Like in the top right of this picture

I've seen them at multiple tables this year at AX, I thought it was a new artsbovine coupon but I guess there was a group order

>>9549972
I have actually never seen those in AAs before. Very interesting. I know there are a LOT of custom wallet printers on Ali, though, so it's not like it's going to be difficult to search for. I just don't have any personal experience with that type of product.

Man, people will buy anything with art on it, won't they? I always wanted to do koozies with chibi-fied anime faces on them. Someone should do that.

>>9549895
just making sure but it's 200 MOQ per design isn't it? I'll try and find one that'll do 50 MOQ

So here's an idea I'm brewing up but I don't think my brain is actually coming up with the right "battle plan".

My family is always harping at me that I need to my art make me money, rather than make money off my art. Meaning, they want me to think of something that's "in demand" that people will pay for lots of times for a thing I only did once. You know, they next big million dollar idea. Yeah, ok, I'm on it mom....

But I DID come up with a little brainstorm, but I just don't think it will work how I want it to work. What if I set up a patron, and every month, for those who pay 5 bucks a month, will receive the button or pin I make for that month. I guess the idea is I have to have have at least 50 people giving me 5 bucks a month so that I can cover the costs for supplies (around $150 per product) and then some more for shipping since this will be a physical item.
You get what I mean?

The only con I can think of is, why would people pay 5 bucks a month for one pin, when they pay like $30 bucks for those anime boxes to come in the mail and they get like 10 items, pins and buttons included.

Thoughts?

>>9550140
I wouldn't buy into that idea unless I was getting at least 3 buttons for my 5 bucks. You have to make it seem like the buyer is getting a steal anon.

>>9549646
Lanyards, please?

>>9549895
How is the shipping though? I've heard of people buying stuffed pillows and practically paying double for shipping because of the space it takes up.

>>9550143

Sorry, when I said buttons I meant enamel pins, big ones like 2'. Hence why my supply cost is so high.

>>9549918
Thanks! I think by the time Comickaze rolls around I'll have around 4-5 Western Comic/Gaming related prints, along with 5-6 OC prints that don't really look anime, so I think I might try it. So table placement is completely random? Do you think it might be worth it to split an exhibitor's booth with someone instead then (since I think you get to pick and you get a much bigger table).