Net Idols / Odottemita

Last thread left off with this gem from a group inspired by Stellure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-deAPi_xhc

>I am not the best singer, nor the best song writer, and composing music is not a thing I can do.
>Thank you for watching, and tolerating this 'music'.
I hate groups with this "I know it's bad but it's the best I could do" mentality, but I love the hilariously bad content they put out.

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Also inspired by Stellure. They're cute but they haven't released any content yet. They're, of course, still asking fans whether they should do a live stream or a Q and A...of course, since those are easier than working on your debut song. I hate idols who ride on fluff content before they've even done anything.

Can someone explain to me the whole net idol/odottemita thing? Do these groups have actual legitimate fans? They just look so crings and full of ugly and sometimes fat girls that somehow think they are kawaii ugu hot shit.

Do people actually care to watch them sing/dance?

>>9526010
In most cases, I'd agree. Even Sashihara Rino's group (=LOVE) is doing showrooms before they've even released anything. But in this case, some groups should at least COVERS instead of this kind of pointless fluff.

>>9526017
If you mean legitimate as in not bought, yes (except for Berry Team Victory). Now, whether or not people actually care to see them sing and dance is another. With groups like Platinum Happy and Crystal Rose, I'd say yes. When LL and cosplay groups, I don't think so because more times than not it's more "I wanna support these fans dancing because I don't bother to."

Overall odottemita is harder to assess if say. With Asian odottemita, more times than not the answer is yes because the quality is pretty good all over. With Western, it kind of depends. If they're a decent group like Ice Qream, then I'd say yes. But if it's a group like Crystal Rose's UK unit or Stellure, then I don't think anyone but delulus actually care. Very rarely do these groups get better.

>>9526017
Yeah. I'm a bit confused on it myself. There are groups that work their asses off and self-produce, like Honey Hime in OP's pic, and I really like those groups. Even if the quality isn't that of professional idols there are groups that do great with the resources they have. And then there are dozens and dozens of shitty cosplay groups that barely practice their dances before recording, or net-idol groups that only release badly drawn art of their "idol personas" and fluff content without actually producing anything. And somehow all the shit groups seem to get as much positive attention as the hard-working ones. Like there are dozens of LL cover groups on Instagram that have not even posted introductions yet but have 100+ followers. So yeah, there are legitimate fans of most of these groups, but IMO most of them don't deserve it lol.

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TFW you're super into everything music but everyone who seems interested with the idol thing just wants to live out cringe weeb fantasies like they're a cartoon character and the music is completely an afterthought.
Feels bad gulls.

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>>9525948
these chicks look like 30-year-olds pretending to be 16 ... ugh

>>9526201
yeah but their mv is pretty decent as far as the groups I've seen go, the song is catchy and the singing is tolerable

>>9526254
Yeah, I like them.

This makes me wonder if there's a market for writing songs for these groups. I feel like I could shit out some idol songs pretty easy.

>>9526267
As someone in the position to do this, you wouldn't want to work for these people and they wouldn't be able to give you enough to make it worth your time. Even as a hobby it would be grating.

>>9526271
The ones who would actually pay don't actually waste time doing this stupid shit honestly. As someone that would want music and someone who knows people would would want good quality music, a lot of people prefer to build up an audience and have quality music. They don't waste time online with fluff and actually try to do something with their actual talent.

>>9526279
Right, and how much do you think "good quality music" costs to have produced?

>>9526201
16 year old girls don't have the talent or money to become a decent amateur group. But once you start getting past 25 and have the time/skills/income to do this, your age starts showing. It sucks

>>9526284
Which is why most the people that do end up in the positions are sort of groomed for success from a young age, and that's ALL they do.

>>9525979
oh no

>>9526010
>Not even paying to remove the PicCollage watermark
Peasant.

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>>9526267
As in the composition of the instrumentals? Do you have any samples of your work?
There's definitely a demand for composers, but unfortunately most idol wannabes are teenagers with little or no money, so that limits your market substantially unless you're willing to work for cheap, at which point it probably wouldn't even be worth it.

>>9526296
>aside from dance moves and background music
So she has... costumes? And maybe lyrics?

>>9526033

The LL cover groups where do have small fandom posses which follow them from con to con with glowsticks as a display of affection towards them. But as you mention Asian Odottemita and performed by trust fund princesses

>>9526297
This is the group that made the song linked here >>9525979
>Due to personal circumstances, I was unable to preform the dance I had planned for this song.

>>9526314
She needs all the help she can get, bless her heart

>>9526296
I don't have anything popish enough to post but I feel like it wouldn't be too hard. I would write the instrumental and vocal parts, all they would need to do is sing well and make up a dance for it. Money is not really an issue since it would be mostly for fun and I wouldn't try too hard. If they did start making money then yeah, it would be split with me, but that's a longshot.

>>9526464
do you have a email?

>>9525979
This is so horrible, so much secondhand embarrassment. How are these people not self aware.

>>9526490
I think they're like 15 though. Which makes me feel pretty bad.

>>9525979
I watched it all and it was the most awful thing I've seen any of these groups pump out. I don't even know what I was watching.

>>9526120
I enjoy the idol aspect but I'm not interested in becoming an idol. Even though it would be nice (TO BE A WESTERN NET IDOL, NOT AN ACTUAL JAPANESE IDOL) I don't think it'd ever compare to the real thing. The better it seems, the worse it is behind the scenes.
Still, few fans I know are actual fans. they adore idols because they, themselves, want to be adored..... So I can relate to you on that note, gully

>>9526282
Honestly, nothing less than $300. I've seen them go from $300 and up or even $1k and up. But I'd only really pay that to someone who actually knows what they're doing, not someone who took it up as a hobby and just happened to be good at it.

>>9526744
I pressed send too early. Anyway, that's not counting any mixing and/or mastering that they would or could do. It's also not a throw something together in a few days process either which a lot of people seem to think is what it is.

I already feel too old for this at 21, but it's something I really want to do. I wish I could find more girls age 18-30 that would be interested in this. I obviously don't think we'll **make it big!!*** but it would be a fun hobby. I just started singing this year (I was literally too shy to sing all of my life, even in front of myself when alone), but I'm more confident now and can sing in front of others with much more ease. I've been told that I'm pretty good too, and have a cute voice.
Ahhh. Is this a hopeless dream or do you think I still have time? I kind of don't see why it would be an impossibility, so long as everyone in the group keeps up on their health and skin care to remain youthful.

>>9526752
Follow your dreams, anon! If you don't think a cutesy image would fit your group, maybe try a mature, cool one. The world needs more cool older idols.

>>9526764
Thank you for the advice! You're right, life is too short to hold myself back. Thank you anon c: have a lovely day!

>>9526767
You too! I'll be cheering for you!

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are any of you following any actual odorites, or just overweight weeaboos?

>>9526744
>$300
>not someone who took it up as a hobby
I want to hear what 300 dollar jpop sounds like. Pls link.

>>9526808
Loverise is my forever favorite

>>9526808
I follow Yakko from Q'ulle and Ririri

>>9526809
I wasn't talking about J-pop specifically (nor did I say I had any). I meant musical productions in general wouldn't go for any less than $300 unless someone did it for a hobby or they didn't know their own worth after doing it for some time. But my point is - music isn't cheap or quick.

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>>9526808
Penta is love, Penta is life

>>9526017
>Do people actually care to watch them sing/dance?
We do, even if the point is to mock them

>>9526473
Sure, it's [email protected].

>>9526834
I love them too! Also this dance group seems decent:
http://space.bilibili.com/724686/#!/index

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So, Mimi is looking into autotune. This could be good, or it could be a disaster.

>>9527306
most likely a disaster, mimi doesnt seem to be a person who is experienced with computer technology

>>9527318
I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like optimism is wasted on Stellure as of right now.

>>9527306
Autotune is a useful tool, but it can't fix the lack of emotion and confidence in their voices, so I hope they're working to actually improve their singing rather than relying solely on digital editing to fix all of their problems, especially since one of Mimi's goals for Stellure is to do a live show someday.

>>9527324
>I feel like optimism is wasted on Stellure as of right now.
It really does feel that way, especially since they keep setting themselves up for failure. I really hoped they would have learned from their debut to just slow down and take time to make good content, but then they went ahead and announced 3 songs, at least 2 of which will have music videos with costumes and choreography, all of which will be released during this summer (which is like 3 months at the most?).

>>9526752
yo i'd be up for it

>>9527341
Yeah. I'm past the point of laughing at them, I'm genuinely saddened for them now.

Also, did anyone else catch Callisto blowing up on Insta because someone dared to insult her Kpop dance cover?

>>9527391
Please, do tell Anon

>>9527391
Yes tell

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>>9527402
>>9527414
I think I may have exaggerated a little bit, since I remember it being a lot more dramatic, but here are the caps

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>>9527429
So many excuses... (Granted, the previous cap's commenter was pretty rude.)

>>9527306
Autotune won't fix the fact that they don't know how to project their voices. :/

>>9527429
>>9527432

Learning the dance in a crunch isn't even an excuse. If you have the learn in a short time that's more reason to particle longer.

>At least a week, usually more
It should be at least 3 weeks. I'd say that even for the simplest of dances too.

>I tried really heard but the dance was challenging for me to learn
Maybe don't cover a dance that's difficult then? I've seen Signal's dance. When you actually watch and practice the movies it's not that hard. Try again.

>>9527453
I went to watch and wow....

It doesn't even look like they put any effort in. Even if they had the moves down it would still look bad.

>>9527914
Agreed. What's sad is that it isn't even a difficult dance. I put in a couple of hours of good practice and have the correct moves down. It really doesn't take that much effort to put in just a little more to polish and perform.

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Interesting developments in USA50. Oh sorry Project50. Postponed and rebuilding. Interesting.

>>9528332
This woman has kids and is focusing too much on this dead project. She is so delusional that she can make this work with no money. Its like Natelie with Flusay Girls.

>>9528332
still stuck on the fact that they have a group for "fans" but absolutely no content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t2LcJUuuxM&t=1s

I like this better than the original. At least it doesn't have sudden jarring voice changes

I spend a lot of time looking at really shitty idols and really none at all looking at good, professional ones. What are some of your favorite idol videos?

One of the ones I can't stop watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-xd7f-W34

>>9528463
Angerme is one my favorite professional groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbDcPZeb7pY

Along with recently disbanded C-ute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_K8bSpDw9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBmBGKjFuRQ

>>9525979
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-deAPi_xhc
I don't even know what this "Ryuu" looks like. But honestly...if she can at least choreograph a dance (which hasn't been proven yet) then maybe let a member recruit who can sing do the main vocals, and then she can be back up singer......or lip sync. Audrey Hepburn was dubbed over for most the vocals in My Fair Lady, no shame no shame. Audrey still gets high praise.

The lack of members is a bit amusing...she might have jumped the gun.

>>9527914
Their Instagram live story has a few more #notbothered posts on it, it's kind of hilarious

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>>9528463
>One of the ones I can't stop watching
I love The World Standard! If you want some somewhat similar groups, maybe check out
Dempagumi.inc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMHj3U3-RA4
Moso Calibration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZNmCGegzj0
and Band Ja Naimon! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui6-IkIKkqc

As for good amateur groups
4te https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ae-1O7VFGg
Honey Hime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy2W_pevRps
Lumina Scarlet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcQ7628Hehk

I was in the local daiso and this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh79R0VDBEI
then this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSCg4wPgIMs

started playing. it really made me question the person who made the playlist.

>>9528574
to be fair both songs are admittedly catchy, though ponytail is the more tolerable one

>>9526996
thanks e-mailed you

>>9528574
There are Daisos outside of Japan? I assume that's where you're talking since no way it would play in a Daiso in the motherland. Please let me be right

Here's a challenge: Same con, same stage, same amount of stage time, same person recording each performance. Choose one group

Group 1: https://www.facebook com/zetaflare/videos/819439921513878/

Group 2: https://www.facebook com/zetaflare/videos/819368184854385/

Group 3: https://www.facebook com/zetaflare/videos/819411494850054/

>>9528699
California Daiso, yeah.

>>9528803
Group 3 all the way. They were cute, on time, more energetic than the other two, and knew what they were doing.

>>9528699
there are, at least a few in the States anyways

>>9528947

I have to agree right there

Follow Your Kororo had more Asian members which helped it's performance quality. Compared to Musa and the other group.

>>9528803
the first one was lackluster, unsure why they choose aishiteru banzai when there's barely any dancing in it and still managed to look awkward.

Second one was..better? still a sloppy at points

Third group was the best but should just stick to dancing.

>>9529053
lol because having an asian member automatically makes it better right? sure it does.

https://www.facebook com/zetaflare/videos/819318704859333/

I used to really look up to these guys but this was just a hot mess.

Fun game, count how many times you see panties.

>>9529083
They're not THAT bad. But they should be much better considering how long they've been doing this.
I love that they put in the effort to make they're own costumes and that they look good too.

>>9529083
pretty sure those are safety shorts they're wearing?

>>9529083
they're amazing at making costumes, have they been dancing as long as well? I only knew of them for their cosplay making.

>>9529092

No, they really are that bad, a husk of what they used to be and I feel as though all of the effort went into the costumes and next to nothing went into the dances.
The Haruka was always one of the weaker dancers, but she was actually running circles around those that I considered the strongest and they just either looked too tired to do anything or theyre just not bothered. Their arms looked as though they were made of lead.
Takane actually collided with someone at one point during their performance and the Ami actually dabbed - twice.

So I feel for Anon here, because I used to think they were the bees knees, but this was a terrible performance and Zetaflare doesn't do them any justice by shaking the camera and shouting like a twat at the start of each dance.

>>9529095
I'm not saying they were good or anything, just that they're not awful. They're better than most of the shitty Love Live groups that get up there.

>>9529092
They're not even half as good as they used to be. Overall, I love the costumes, but the skirts are a little too short on a couple
>>9529093
They are, but that doesn't mean your butt should be on show with every step.
>>9529094
They've been dancing im@s for 10 years. This isn't even half as good as they used to be, so I'm extremely disappointed with it. It's nothing like how they used to be.

>>9529098

Idolmaster has it easier in that regard, and so I expect better. The maximum amount of members you can have for a dance and therefore have to compete with for space is 5 rather than 9 unless you go balls to the walls and go for an all-stars version of a dance which you cant get the learning materials for. So of course the Muse groups are going to suffer in comparison.
You can also cam-rip the dances from the game and place people where they may excel, whereas with Love Live you're at the mercy of learning from another group which has to have 9 great dancers and a single angle shot at the same time.

I am not by any means sticking up for love live groups, but Im@s have it easy and so this set list should have been perfect with their 10 years of experience.

>>9529098
As >>9529102 says, you can get super clean versions of Im@s dances. And it's easier to co-ordinate 5 people.

Im@s are harder dances, granted, but yeah.

>>9529108

They're also shorter. LL rarely gives you the option to do the short ones unless someone has managed to source the in app music, which is rare for a lot of pieces.

>>9528803
The 3rd group hands down was the best. the 1st group was ok but that 2nd group was an utter mess.

>>9528574
this is cancer

>>9529066

A lot of posts on the cringe thread was focused on the western odottemitta groups

>>9526267
If you're not talented enough to make it writing 'real' pop music or game soundtracks or commercial jingles, yes there is a market but it's like the cosplay photog market. A lot of kids with little money to spend but dreams of pro quality work. You'd be lucky to make minimum wage and avoid getting roped into making adjustment after adjustment to get it 'just right'.

>>9526120
Look up some of the underground and alternative idols on /jp/ for a similar indie homemade experience without the cringe.

>>9526752
Take a look at Perfume for some idols in their 20s inspiration!

>>9528803
>Group 1
That was probably the saddest loneliest baby I've ever seen. They looked like they were out to lunch the whole time. Also, why do people not realize that if you are going to do a performance, pick a set of cards that were meant to be danced in like cheer leader or outfits from the anime. White day has so many delicate accessories and flowy bits, it should be meant for photo shoots only.

>Group 2
That fan work was sloppy af.

>Group 3
Clearly the most practiced and organized of the group. Again though, they didn't even have their hats with them, why dance in a costume you can't even fully wear without having to worry about things falling off or coming apart?

Also lol at the videographer excitedly squealing whenever he recognized which song was coming on.

>>9529471

Or Karaoke in that case

>>9529095
The thing I hate most is when competent dancers can't be bothered to show energy.

>>9528571
I feel as though in recent years with the rise of groups like Dempa, Momoclo, and now groups like the ones in this post, idol production has moved away from pleasing the male gaze to a more fun and girly perspective. When I watch groups like this that have funny and silly magical girl motifs and are full of pastel and frilly costumes, I feel like if I were to be a part of a real japanese idol group, this is what I would want it to look like because it portrays my interests. Not that I don't like groups like C-ute or AKB since they are what made me initially enjoy idols in the first place. I just feel like I can see the passion these girls have for what they're doing beyond what girls in the large and heavily produced groups do.

Maybe this is because they are smaller/ they are in a different category of idol than others (not sure if they would be considered chika perse) Thoughts?

>>9528699
I live in WA, they are here.

>>9529573

There is a popular saying by Lee Soo Man, a male fan will follow any girl group in skirts but its the female fans who will decide if your group lasts or not. MomoClo, Denpa and Love Live fills that hole which is why everything is energetic and wholesome.

>>9529551
That's what kills me about their most recent performance. I know they can do better, they've done it over and over and they fell flat on their face on something which was long awaited (for me) after watching so many of their Idolmaster performances.

>>9529203
That doesn't mean non-Asian dancers are cringy by default. Most /cgl/ users are Western, so it makes sense that we have easier access to seeing western odottemita groups, both the good and the bad. They get shared on social media by our friends and we see them at conventions. I'm certain there are just as many cringy Japanese wannabes, but since they tend to use other websites/tags for their content it doesn't filter into our bubble as easily, and the ones that do are generally shared a lot because they're really really good.

>>9529652
Actually a lot asian groups I've seen lack energy. They just get by with it because they look good as the characters. But I spent more time on bilibili

>>9529720
>>9529652
The absolute crappiest, most energy-lacking, most inaccurate Mermaid Festa Vol. 1 cover I have EVER seen was an Asian group.

>>9529807
Please link it if you can Anon

>>9528459
I think most of us are there for the free comedy trainwreck.

>>9529573
I disagree that idol production in general has moved directly away from pandering to male fans. Bikini photobooks and such are still common. What I feel has happened is more a diversification into a myriad of styles. In the center you still have the giants like AKB, and just off to the side the momoclos and dempas, but all around the fringes a huge variety has sprung up.
Where idols were always clean cut and shiny pop, now you see things like:
Lots of idol rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UPTtbVy7bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0774w1q6dG8

Heavy metal idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmrhpGeFaVU

Screamo/hardcore idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-pZmNt6MoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spTMjwwdINk

Vaporwave idols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_16fFrKgtBU

Artsy fartsy math idols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB37gpvCzX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3003igO6Q

EDM DJ idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfpj52pSpUM

Literal noise music idols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ismMy5wBhnE

If anything, the big thing right now for girl weeb fans is not jpop idols but dance-heavy K-pop boy/girl bands. Kpop dancing has blown up so much I feel it's eclipsed Love Live at this point, even though there's not many net idol style dance cover groups. And Kpop dancing is a lot more suggestive not all that "wholesome".

>>9529852
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TwdGLFvA4Lw

I hate this thing so much.

>>9529111
you can very easily shorten any love live song though, so i wouldn't say that as an excuse.

>>9530009
I'm kind of really in love with the artsy ones and the EDM girls.

I feel like K-pop dancing has always sort of been the "thing", where jpop dance covers have been kept in a smaller community of people who listen to vocaloid and popular jpop. If anything, I think Love Live has brought a lot more people to cover dancing in general.

>>9530024
um besides the terrible audio (is it just my computer or is the audio trippy?) I don't see how this could be the crappiest you've ever seen-

>>9530036
>Floppy arms instead of precise movements (I get that they're trying to be more flowy, but it's very messy imo)
>Lack of energy and facial expressions
>Several of the girls are off on their timing
>Awful camerawork (So many random zooms, weird cuts, strange angles)

Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but out of the ones I've seen, it's definitely the worst.

>>9530058
I agree with the awful expressions and camerawork but I think you're either nitpicking or haven't seen that many covers of this song.

>>9530036
i think they slowed down the audio a few times to sync up with the dance

it sounds really weird

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>>9530024
it's really not that bad. at least neither of them are ugly and/or fat. costumes are great, girls are cute

>>9530102

Not only that but some of the video is sped up. Around 38 seconds in maki and nozomi suddenly become abnormally fast in the movement, and I'm pretty convinced the spin that followed with Rin is altered too.

>>9530029

Only if you want to make a hack job of it. Most who try then end up with a botched ending because the choreography has to be tweaked from their positions of mid-dance to those at the end, so even then it ends up looking weird.

>>9530009
How closely the EDM one is filmed and the tight circle around them makes me feel super uncomfortable for some reason, it seems so awkward.

>>9530185
In-store mini lives are pretty common for promoting new releases. Often there's no stage and it really is just a corner of the record store, like here there's literally nowhere else for the camera and the fans to stand.

In larger venues, sometimes groups do step out into the middle of the audience as an extra thrill. https://youtu.be/-M75TC3YWnw?t=540 (9:00 here)

from last thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWRCJNRgR6A

>>9530319
Oh yeah, that trainwreck (haha).

>>9530319
>we were tired when we recorded this thats why it sucks buh buh

then why did you do it?

>>9530421
me and my girls did a video once when we were tired and it show. It really downgrade the video quality. but dont use it as an excuse deal with it

>>9530183
not really? usually in a Love Live song (and most songs in general) the first chorus is the same as the last one, all you have to do is cut from the first one to the last one, nothing much has to be changed. Just dance the first chorus and end it out as usual. If the formation is different, all it takes is a moment to organize? No one would go bat-nuts if maki ends on the right when she's supposed to be on the left if it flows nicely.

>>9530024
Nico uncomfortably sperging out in both chorus close-ups lel

>>9530123
There were several uglies in there anon...drop the yellow fever.

>>9531330
Honestly I disagree? None of those girls were actually ugly. Then again I'm the kind of person who thinks everyone is legitimately pretty unless they just aren't.

>>9530319
It's one thing to be tired, but the riko and hanamaru don't even look like they want to be there

>>9530319
Man, I've seen some of their other performances and I really like them as a group, but this one just... wasn't good.

>>9531330
>>9530024
Still 99% better than any American group. Mostly on beat, more in-sync, nobody stepping on each other, quality studio with lighting and active shots, not just a shaky con stage. They're also skinnier than the skinniest girl in any American group, and their costumes and heights match.

That's the thing that bugs me about the American cosplayers who do idol groups. They're all over the place with heights and weights, whereas the anime has them all similar height and weight with a few exceptions. Their costumes also tend to be made of different patterns, techniques, and materials and don't look as cohesive. Especially with Idol Master and Love Live.

>>9531605
I disagree about height and weight. The thing is, Asians are usually around the same heights anyway. Weight is another sticky subject but both boil down to the idea that if you aren't a certain way, you shouldn't cosplay/dance as this person or these people which isn't right. The costumes I understand though. They need to be more coherent because it gets annoying to see one dark blue skirt and a cheap light blue one.

What do you all think of the instagram dance competions people are doing?

>>9531696
I think it's a thing that stems off of like... age-old roleplaying desires of preteen weebs. A couple years ago on insta, it was really popular for young kids to create accounts dedicated to like, "Haruka-sama's magical girl school for nippon elves" and then all these people would submit "applications" with their shit tier OCs they had traced on top of some kind of base and they'd all roleplay together through the comments of photos.

And of course, what is popular right now among teen weeb girls? Love live, who's entire concept revolves around a dance competition for idols. So truly, I think it's another form of roleplay. It definitely gives us more cringe content to look at since most of the girls doing it have never danced a day in their life.

>>9531735

desu ppl are more interessed in winning the prizes for those imo

>>9531796

What kind of prizes?

(Posted in the wrong thread lmao)
Judging by what Stella posts on her private spam accounts on Instagram, she left Stellure because she knew how bad Stellure was and decided it wasn't worth her effort, and apparently she ended up doing all of the work for the group (costumes, choreography, practice) and it was rlly stressful for her. She posted "I just don't want to be associated with such a bad group" lmao clearly she was the only one in the group who wasn't delusional.

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She also posted this, looks like she ended up doing all the work for the group and got sick of their shit

>>9531932
completely understandable and realistic point of view, can't really blame her for having priorities for herself

>>9531932
Which one is Julia?

Julia is meotashi

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>>9531904
>>9531932
>I don't want to perform with a cringey weeaboo idol group
>I can't be known for being in a shitty girl group with no talent, I just can't
>it'll last two years if we're lucky and then it'll fall apart, I guarantee it
My sentiments exactly. It's almost as if she lurks these idol threads lol. Makes me wonder why she joined Stellure in the first place, and why she didn't leave sooner. I would have bailed on this shit show of a group before it even debuted.

>>9531961
Julia is Mimi/Meotashi.

>>9531963
>>9531964
Huh. It's kinda funny she gave props to the one member everyone in these threads drags (for good reason). I wonder what her thoughts were on Mimi's "cousin fucker" tirade and how that reflected on Stellure.

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And apparently she offered to help the group because she knew they'd fall apart without her but mimi completely cut her off and insisted she could do it without her, looks like Mimi's ego is gonna be the reason Stellure fails

>>9531932
a little late for whining about her reputation, stellure will be on the internet forever lel

>>9531605
Are watching the same thing? I don'gt disagree they're better than most american groups, but they have literally no energy and keep their faces straight and lifeless the entire time, probably because making any expression at all might make them look human and not like a Korean barbie doll
Only Rin and Nico are ok

But yeah, great costumes

>>9531974
Why would they let her stay if she left that last long rant about them? Even if she was helpful, calling that group cringey and saying how they'll fall apart in a couple years does not help her case on staying on as an assistant.

>>9525979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uQgZ5bOLAc

I want to die

>>9531798

cosplay most of the time

>>9532002
They're expressions sucked ass but they are more in sync than the majority of groups

>>9532036
their* oh lord long day

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>>9531605
>everything that isn't grorious asia is America
>All from America are fatter
>implying people from all over the world don't use the same taobao or at least bought costumes

Begone, yellow fever retard

>>9532002
And even then, Rin's makeup was terrible for her character.
>>9531932
I miss the innocent middle school days when I wanted to be a pro costume designer because of cosplay.

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>>9531605
>>9532061
Yeah, seriously. I have seen people at every convention I've attended this year wearing those same exact costumes bought from the same place on the internet. They're nice costumes, but I don't think "bought matching costumes" should be one of a group's strong points.

>>9532081
>I don't think "bought matching costumes" should be one of a group's strong points.

nayrt and I agree, but it looks sooo fucking sloppy when groups don't have matching costumes. It's the bare minimum, but so many of these groups don't even meet that.

I remember a group from one of the last threads in the cyber uniform and two of their members had satin instead of the vinyl the others had and it was so obvious it was because they couldn't fit into the vinyl.

>>9532036
True, but they're so dead in movement as well it looks like they practiced it like a chore for that end. It's just personal preference, but I'd rather watch nine extremely out of sync girls who are clearly happy and excited they're dancing together than synced robots

>>9531904
>>9531932
>>9531974

>posts from Stella's private spam account
>Account has 10 followers

Are you by any chance Stella or someone close to her? No hate if you are but considering the spam account basically is for people she only knows personally, to have these pop up says quite a bit. Whether or not you are her, I respect her a lot for making a decision like that. A lot of other people honestly wouldn't.

>>9531964
Dat chub roll.

>>9532005
The account she was ranting on is private, so I don't think the other members were aware of her talking shit about them.

>>9532144
>Are you by any chance Stella or someone close to her?
I hadn't considered it could be Stella herself, but if it is, what motive would she have posting caps of herself calling her fellow Stellure members cringey, talentless weeaboos (even though it's true)? If it's not her, then someone she thought she could trust is apparently a really shitty friend for outing her like that.

>>9532163
Meh. It's pretty bitchy of her to trash talk everyone like that and then be mad that they don't want her to be a part of the group.

These screenshots don't really make her out to be the good guy at all.

>>9532222
I agree, I'm also tired of the Stella asslicking that always goes on in these threads.

>>9532222
Honestly I think it's hilarious. She's one of the only people I've seen from any idol group that's willing to admit they're shit. Refreshing, someone with a real brain.

>>9532285
It's funny for our side sure!

But it's funny how she complains about Stellure being bad for her reputation when she wanted to stick around doing stuff for them. It's worse professionally if people find out she's a shittalker.

>>9532285
I agree, it is more than obvious that Stella is the only one who passes as an idol in the group. I don't get how the rest of the group thinks they're worth anything besides their follower count inflation.

Regardless of what meowtashi has said to defend herself, at least she puts in the effort to draw content for their instagram. I'm not even sure why they needed 5 people? A duo or trio as a starting point would be less of a trainwreck.

>>9532163
She probably knows which friend it is, considering they failed to crop their icon out.

Does anyone know of Lacus? I've been following her for some time and she's pretty good. She uploads rarely.
I just think her movement looks SLIGHTLY stumpy? Idk something's slightly off, but I can't point it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtpRepnb__c

>>9532395
She's not too bad! I think her movements are a bit stiff - particularly her head and shoulders? She seems a bit... boxed in. I don't know how else to put it.

>>9532395
She looks super stiff because she doesn't move her hips. Her hips are barely moving thus leading to a stiff apperance over all. If you cover her legs/hips while watching it looks fine.

>>9532395
she needs to push those poses more just like super commit.

>>9531964
>>9532157
lol wtf I know, what prevents them from being self conscious?

>>9531932
>>9531964
Are they really only 15? They look much older maybe it's all the junk food and no skin care. She's right if they can't even work on their own health and image they wont be able to get far.
>>9526752
21 isn't too old if you can screw your head on tight and focus. Mariko joined AKB48 only a few months away from turning 20 and she was one of the most popular members for over 7 years before she graduated.

>>9532478
Luna is 14, like 2 of the are 15, and others 16 so yes.

>>9532573
How come they already look so old? Do they live next to a coal power plant?

>>9532627
Honestly I don't know. The only one who looks older than their age is Luna who doesn't like 14. But I'm used to 15/16 year olds who look like that. Maybe they're just mature looking or ugly.

>>9532666
Where I grew up ppl looked a lot younger than that even at 20. So I dunno what is up really.

>>9532666
I live in the south of the US and one thing I notice is 9th graders get shorter and mid-teens start looking older. They're up north I think though so I'm not sure.

>>9532672
I meant to send >>9532676 as a response to you not myself.

>>9532676
It might be bad diet habits, most of them do look overweight too. Maybe sun exposure without sunblock, I'm not really sure. It's just kind of odd they're so young but look twice their age. Here are some references, Ellen Page is 30, Misako Aoki is 35, Carrie Brownstein is 42, Mariko Shinoda is 31. Kozue Aikawa is 25. I'd put them in the same age group visually as those ladies.

>>9526010
>only one of them bothered to cut the bangs on her wig
>they're super choppy and uneven
That's just embarrassing

>>9532573
>cgl has been picking on mid-teens this whole time
>yet we aren't allowed to post minors in bad cosplay threads because THEY JUST KIDZ

>>9532699
Only 2 of them look "overweight". Luna & purple hair. Mimi looks like she just has stomach fat. I feel like Asians are a bad example of people who look a certain way because more times than not, they look youthful until they're way older. I have a friend who's 20 and Chinese but is mistaken for a 16 year old. They don't look that out of age honestly. It just sounds like reasons to bash.

>>9532725
What the fuck are you even talking about? Nothing like that was said literally anywhere.

>>9532725
To be fair I didn't even know them or what any of this stuff is until I opened this thread today.

>>9532726
It's a really bad assumption and racial stereotyping to say that most Asians look really youthful. Most of them actually don't look that young either in the context of seeing a 14 year old Japanese girl vs a 40 year old Japanese woman. I have been and have had friends that are sometimes mistaken for being much younger as well. It usually depends more on where I travel than how I look. Being Asian has very little to do with it.

>>9532728
I'll spell it out for your simple mind:
>teens in bad cosplay threads shouldn't be posted because they're minors therefore against the rules, they don't know what they're doing, it's not fair to pick on them, we were all there once etc
>teens in idol threads are a-ok to use entire threads on

>>9532717
I never understood why people get worked up over people not cutting bangs on wigs. I personally rarely ever cut the bangs on my wigs because I hate how I look with straight bangs. I look much better with a longer side swept fringe. I'll only cut if the fringe is way to long on the wig, and even then the fringe I still make sure comes down longer than eyes so it can be side swept.
It's very possible others choose to not cut bangs for the exact same reason.

>>9532807

Because it looks stupid and it's the first thing you see. If you have a conversation with the person too you have to stare it in the face and try not to say anything.

A lot of these love live characters don't even have the straight fringe that you hate so much, it's sometimes a little bunch in the middle which isn't blunt, but shouldn't be venturing down to the nose tip/lip region, so I get why people become frustrated at the laziness of it.

And heck, I wouldn't mind that much either except it takes 10 minutes tops to fix. But they'd rather have a large orange banana shape obscuring half of their faces

>>9532755
I don't pay attention to anything here besides these actual threads so I wouldn't know. Even then, I was responding to a question that was asked so I don't get why you came at me.

>>9532820
You're terribly new. This is a public forum where C can make an outside comment on a conversation between A and B for everyone's discussion. Or as we say in real life, bringing up a new subject.

>>9532831
Usually that's done by not responding to someone but okay. Define new for me as well because like I said I only browse CGL and look out for these specific threads and have been since last year.

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>>9532807
Okay, but I didn't say "they didn't cut straight across bangs" did I?
I said "they didn't cut the bangs". You can have side swept bangs, I agree that it looks better sometimes, but you still have to cut it for it to look good.
If you just pick up a wig from the package and just pin the bangs to the side it's painfully obvious, and it looks bad and lazy, which isn't really what you want people to think of you if you're trying to be an idol

>>9526267
I'm a lurking lolita, and my only hobby bigger than fashion is music; I never thought of this but I'd be willing to do it for cheap if it meant getting my name as an artist out there. But from what I've seen on these threads, I'm not sure if I'd want my name associated with most of these groups honestly? If I found the perfect group I'd even work for free, really.

>>9532897
>getting my name as an artist out there
Link to any of your stuff?

uhhh isnt an idol supposed to be a famous person with fans? kendall jenner is an "idol" but I dont see how these nobodies can be defined as one

>>9532918
Idols in the context of J-pop and K-pop, not just celebrities that people idolize. The nobodies we're discussing want to emulate Japanese/Korean/anime idols so they try to be idols for an online audience- "net idols."

>>9532915
>Link to any of your stuff?
Seconding this.

>>9532915
>>9532937
I'm in the same boat as the other music anon, I don't typically make pop; most the music I make that I consider decent I don't release under this name, but this is something a little pop-y that I made a while ago? Not quite idol music though.

https://soundcloud.com/user-102320083/draft

>>9532384
hahaha you're totally right. Why put someone on blast on an anon board and forget to cover your tracks lol

>>9532977
Hey this is still pretty cool though! I feel like you could definitely write stuff along these lines and sell it to indie groups. Maybe indie idol groups with older/more mature members since the music seems to have a more grown-up vibe. If I wasn't a shit singer I'd hire someone to write a song for me!

As I member of a cover group, it's really nice to see anons welling to help ! We are not the best, but we work really hard to get better at every release. Comments on these thread are really helping us to get better, even if they are sometimes a bit harsh to read. Working on a group take a lot of time. Audio mix, video mix, translations, keeping the social media page active, sewing the costume. I spend almost all of my free time working on the group and because of that I can't practice as much as I would like. I will maybe contact some of you music-maker anons, because even if I have a lot of songs ideas, I don't have the time to find great software that don't sound to "midi" and learn to use it to make music with everything already.

>>9533339
(Nice quads!)

I second this, it's nice to see people passionate about helping out on here, offering advice and whatnot. I have a long advice post from last thread screenshotted, and I'll be showing it to my group repeatedly to remind them of what an idol is supposed to be.

Also, does anyone have advice on working with younger members? Our youngest is good, but I don't know how to tell her she needs to do better without hurting her feelings.

>>9533339
>>9533472
Presentation is the key to success. You can fake it until you make it, but if you can't even fake it then well shit you have a problem. Anime girls have the benefit of being drawn right but real ppl don't have that luxury so you have to be very much in to self improvement and looking your best. There are tons of beauty sites out there that can give you better advice than you can get from a post here. Even if you're guys and actually especially if you have guys in your group they need to focus on their appearance.

I watched some of those music videos that got posted and I have to say that the singing was really bad and too soft with a bad vocal range. Once again anime girls have the advantage of being voiced by professional voice actresses in an industry that teaches from a young age, gives lots of vocal training, teaches how to sing, and everything. It's romantic to believe a story like Love Live but remember that it's fiction and they are paid professional actresses with years of training every day. Don't forget that and get vocal training and singing lessons if you're serious.

Treat it as a full time job and put in the hours, take scheduled group practice seriously. If you want an idea of what it takes to be a professional idol then look in to the history of AKB48, A lot of them had break downs and quit because it was destroying them. Anime doesn't depict that well at all, it's a 24 minute episode that glosses over an 8 hour training session in 30 seconds. Get a dance coach or join a dance school if you can as well.

It's the same way with art or playing a musical instrument. If you don't put in the practice the result isn't going to be any good.

If however you just want to have fun with friends and have something to laugh about in 5 years then you don't need to practice or take it seriously to have fun. So decide which it is and go from there.

>>9533339
I totally understand since some of these comments are definitely harsh especially when some of them come from people who may not be in a group themselves but are judging based on a final product but I guess the point of groups is to bring their absolute best to impress even the harshest people. Even contributing to a cover group is a huge commitment, I can't imagine how original idol groups do it (or sometimes don't make it very far) and even more so when they don't have prior experience in a cover group/covering anything in general.

>>9533472
I'm actually the youngest and also newest member of my group! I am definitely aware of how I'm pretty lucky to join an existing group that already has some recognition and do my best to contribute my part to the group for both stuff directly relating to performance as well as logistics for making the group run smoothly. My group sort of runs more as a club officers type of group since we all attend the same school.

I'm going to assume that if your youngest member joined and has continued they've probably overcame the fear of being "the youngest" and hopefully has the passion + understanding of the amount of work they should contribute. I personally love good and negative feedback but if you're worried about her feelings just ask if she prefers criticism to be given one on one in private or if she's fine with being given criticism in front of the group so she can fix things during practice. Or bring up nonperformance advice during group meetings where everyone is going to be talking about everyone else and no one is really going to be singled out unless they should be.

I feel like age difference is not a huge deal unless the gap is between a high schooler and college/university age but if it's only a year or two within the same school year groupings it really isn't a big deal until the group makes drinking plans and underage people can't join lol.

>>9533579
A dance coach or dance school is probably too much for even a group that is aiming for being treated as a pro but I would say the minimum for improving dance as a group is at least biweekly practices in a dance studio or anywhere with mirrors, recording a full run through of songs during each practice in order to see mistakes and inconsistencies and a lot of time reviewing and being critical of which parts need to be fixed and improved. Groups that never improve their dancing are probably too focused on trying to avoid group drama rather than criticizing people who aren't dancing accurately or are just too proud to admit that as a group their dancing is awful.

I do agree that groups who have some inspiration from or knowledge of real life Jpop idols and not just 2D idols have a better idea of how much time and effort it takes to reach the minimum of being a group that is in sync.

I don't disagree with groups that are doing it for fun but if they're going to put themselves on a stage or on the internet hopefully their enthusiasm is pretty obvious. Can't say that I agree with for fun groups thinking they don't deserve negative criticism if they put themselves in public where people can and will form their own opinions.

>>9533591
It is like any other job. It might sound excessive but just compare it to other show business jobs. A dance coach or dance school is necessary if you're aiming to go pro. Again look at the history of AKB48, a lot of them went to dance school before they could join, it's their passion, they put everything into it. In Japan is completely different so if you're comparing your group with Japanese idols you're not going to get the same result with an American work ethic. Your group wont have a flabby midriff if you follow the same schedule as them.

Of course enthusiasm is good but there is a difference. Enthusiasm for role playing and pretending, feeling like you're a star or an anime character. That's a different kind of enthusiasm than wanting to be taken seriously as an idol.

You can also look at previous westerners that tried to be Japanese idols too. Look at what happened to Beckii Cruel, Emily in Japan, and Hannah Minx, they all ended up in pretty exploitative circumstances and then faded into obscurity. Then look at say Cathy Cat, she's more of a reporter net idol but she puts in so much work for so many years without compromising herself so that it's finally paying off.

If you want to be taken seriously for your talents you have to clock in the hours whatever it is you do.

>>9533579
Dang straight, Anon.

>>9533603
As the previous anon said, most of these girls already go to school, probably work part-time, need to learn, improve a lot of skill like audio mixing, video mixing, japanese or english for some of them, costume making, songs making, postong on social media. It takes so much time, it's sad but I don't think any of them can do much more than 2 practice a week, even that is a lot I guess. They don't have a team around them like idols in Japan have, they need to manage everything themselves.

>>9533603
Rather than excessive I'm just not sure if a dance coach or dance school outside of Japan and Korea would help someone aiming to be an idol. There are specific performing art schools for idols in Asia but I can't think of an equivalent in America that would help someone become a Jpop idol but possibly for Kpop. There are plenty of girls who have experience with dance outside of idol dancing/odottemita and are able to shine through their dancing such as Ikura, Miume, 217, and Penta but for Western girls aiming to be idols it really is a hit or miss. Some girls who have experience with cheerleading or competitive dancing have a good sense of rhythm and energy but their idol dancing ends up too aggressive or not bouncy and soft enough. A lot of idol dancing doesn't have actual names for techniques like the omnipresent side stepping and finding a dance coach that would take Jpop idol dancing seriously sounds unlikely. A vocal coach is still effective since singing is pretty standard but idol dancing is a bit different.

I'm not familiar with AKB history but I am familiar with Haropuro and the dance and vocal training they have. Professional guidance only seems possible and effective after joining a company.

I absolutely agree with the work ethic needed to succeed but for dance I still think that putting time and effort into learning idol dances might be more useful once you have a good sense of rhythm.

If I remember correctly Beckii had experience with ballet but her attempts at idol dances and odottemita were awful but maybe it was just because she was only in middle school?

I always felt like Westerners failing in Japan had more to do with them thinking that making it to Japan meant that they could stop trying since being Western meant they were unique and that would be enough for them to succeed. Along with a complete misunderstanding of how competitive the idol industry is and that the company they're under isn't a huge deal.

>>9533591
I honestly think a dance coach/school would actually be really good for a net idol group. They don't have to hire a dedicated coach, but even just signing up together for a local dance class can help them understand rythm, timing, give them a better sense of coordination etc.

Where I'm from we have heaps of local K-Pop dance groups, so if it were me, I'd sign up for one of those to start practicing. Most of them perform in shows and stuff too, so it gives you a good feel for performing and learning to have energy on stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUhjijUa-I

just heard these two finnish girls started a group with pinky from dempagumi.inc. they look like they have so much fun dancing and they have lots of energy. really looking forward to seeing this group!

https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/pinky-noora-petra-formation-201706126321.html

>>9533666

Has this been edited to be sped up in some places? Some parts just don't look like natural movement at all.

>>9533672
dunno.

>>9533630
Idols in Japan don't have teams of people though. It's a genuine struggle when they start out. I seriously wish people looked in to what goes on with them, what kind of sacrifices they make to achieve their dreams. You do have valid concerns, for a regular young adult or youth that wants a normal life.
>>9533643
Of course it helps. It's not different because it's an idol market no. You can make all of the excuses you want but listen to yourself, repeat it back, you're essentially saying that western idols don't need schooling, training, or make any effort. How crazy is that?

It's like me saying well if you want to be a Lolita fashion designer you don't really need to know anything about sewing and fashion. You don't need to take classes for design because Japan has more specialized courses for that. It's just nonsense.

Those foreigners didn't last long because it was all fan service and that doesn't work long term.

>>9533672
I don't think so, they've performed this live as well. So nice seeing them starting an actual idol career, I hope all the best for them!

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My friend (the Kanan.) just started a aquors dance group. The girls are cute but I am interested in how they do with the hoard of muse groups in the U.K.

>>9533857
Oh no, why would you post your friend here? Do you dislike her? We are not gentle with criticism, lol.

>>9533857
that name is fucked up, dia only shows half a face, kanan has a weird wig, mari's brows are out of control, yohane looks like a 12-year old boy.... should i continue?

>>9533857
It's literally just role playing.

>>9533857
Someone should've thought that name through. Considering "Aqours" is pronounced "akua" as in aqua, "Aqouriums" sounds weird to say when actually saying it. "Aqua-ium" sounds like an idiot trying to say "aquarium". Maybe that's just me though? Maybe I'm missing the point of the name.

>>9533857
Mari's brows

>>9533886

Please do.

Can we get the rest of the members pics on here?

>>9533643
From what I've seen, girls with Broadway jazz/musical theatre experience seem to do the best. The dance styles are pretty similar in places, especially with the focus on sharp movements and smiling while you perform.

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>>9533969
Here ya go, Anon.

>>9534011

Riko has me triggered.

It's one of those images when you look harder the worse it gets.

Chika looks miserable as well, she's going to butcher her character if she can't carry the personality.

>>9534011
You looks kind of cute I guess? Group is shambles in general though.

There's too many Love Live groups in the UK! We need more variety!

An actual EGL idol unit wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6B_oEtBhnM

What an inspiration, the rest of the groups here could learn so much from them.

>>9534017
In Britain Chika's expression is actually considered a bright smile.

>>9534011
why cant any love live cosplayers in these groups use contact lenses? just that one thing and a little bit more makeup would do wonders to your boring face.

>>9534025
Some one on my Twitter timeline is starting an ensemble stars group. Save us please from all the love live groups!

>>9534041
I can't speak for everyone but medically I can't wear prescription contacts let alone cosmetic ones. I probably would if I could though, but I imagine some are frightened to try/photoshop for that.

But yeah. No excuse with make-up

>>9534062
Which one are you?

>>9534062
that's probably a rare case, i've never heard of a cosplayer who doesnt use contacts because of a medical condition. they're a pretty essential part of the costume in my opinion and should always be used if you can.

>>9534028
no

>>9534096
>Have certain medical conditions such as uncontrolled diabetes or hyperthyroidism. Allergies, asthma, and other chronic respiratory disorders may make it difficult to wear contacts.
>uncontrolled diabetes
Probably a fatty-chan.

>>9534062
I'm the same way actually, can't wear contacts due to high risk of allergic reaction. Sucks since it really does make a difference.

>>9534101
Why no? They're worlds better than the western groups being talked about. In looks, artistry and music.
You can actually feel the passion in their performance.

Its probably an unpopular opinion but I just dont see the point in contacts and they dont make that much of a difference to me when I look at a cosplayer unless its something super striking like Tits McGee from Dragon Maid.
Chances are if I see a Nico from the opposite side of the room with blue eyes or even have a conversation with them, I wont care or notice. It just doesn't seem to be worth all of the discomfort and whining I see and hear from my friends when they use them and theyre just another money pit for something that can't be used infinitely.

>>9534024

Her nose looks like someone just smashed it in but whatever floats your boat Anon.
Also I dont think You is meant to have visible bobby pins in her hair - I'm not sure what's worse, the clips or the crappy/uncut bangs.

>>9534134
Didn't say I'd bone her anon, but out of all of them she looks the cutest. Not really an achievement considering her groupmates but still.

>>9534131
Not just contacts, circle lenses. They usually do make a big difference in how someone looks. Maybe you don't understand now because you're really young and don't pay much attention or make much effort in anything. Mascara makes a difference too obviously, so does using good quality wigs. There's always bound to be people that don't think so, but so what, let them look shabby if they really want to.

>>9534131
you are obviously not a cosplayer. or if you are you are probably a bad cosplayer.

>>9534131
20 dollars for good contact lenses what can be used for a year and fix your eyesight are not just some useless garbage. if they cause you discomfort they're either bad quality or you're handling them wrong.

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>>9534131
If you can't see the difference between right and left ... well I'm sorry for you

>>9534161
Most of that is makeup. I'm guessing this is just one elitist bitch anon. Contact lenses aren't as important as you keep saying they are.

>>9534106
People can have diabetes without being fat.

>>9534161
While I don't agree with them, I get what they're trying to get at. Considering Nico's eyes are reddish, having blue is IS a big difference but would I care if they were a brown color? No because it at least makes more sense than a blue.

>>9534161
>>9534168
they certainly do make a difference, though good make up is honestly even more important.

>>9534173
brown eyes are acceptable for cosplaying asian characters, but the way circle lenses make your eyes bigger is essential for cosplaying anime characters. you look bland without them.

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>>9534028
>An actual EGL idol unit wow
There's also meltia (disbanded) and merry merli.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW2MBw058DY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txMxwmnU5Bw

>>9533579
>It's romantic to believe a story like Love Live but remember that it's fiction and they are paid professional actresses with years of training every day.
Far too many of these original wannabe idol groups think they can be LL! and it's frustrating. I always expect groups whose only knowledge of idols is from anime to fall apart fast because they usually have unrealistic expectations and no idea how much work it actually takes to practice and perform as an idol.

>>9534145

I'm 27 and have never felt the need to use them because they really just don't make any difference to me when I can photoshop it in later without having to deal with poking a foreign object in my eyes.
Makeup already does a good job of irritating them anyway (the corners tend to go red after a day of wear and sting like no ones business and I've tried a range of different eyeliners and mascaras, so I'm not sure what causes it, and I don't really want to encourage that) So I feel that, and uncomfortable footwear should be the extent of the pain I put myself through for cosplay.

In terms of everything else, I make my own costumes, style my own wigs and have been doing this for ten years plus, so its not for lack of effort, I don't want to waste my efforts for something which looks bad - Maybe it's just possible that I genuinely don't think that contacts are important as I originally stated? There's no small print or some secret reason.

I definitely agree with wigs and decent make up, since that's something which is more obvious and you can't fudge through without extensive photoshop, and I dont really want my photos to look overly shooped. 4chan has taught me that much at least!

But yeah, different strokes for different folks. I'll never hate on people who choose to wear them but it doesnt necessarily mean that I suffer for not using them.

>>9534180
Loved those music videos.

>>9534180
Merri Merli is one of my faves at the moment, they're so cute

>>9534111
>looks
They're ita as fuck.

>>9534247
honestly, i will never be able to take ladybeard seriously. He's a gimmick at most.

>>9534318
That's exactly what he is. I don't think he takes himself seriously.

New dance cover by Teya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c653pKoqr_Q&

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>>9533857
>the girls are cute
Anon...

>>9531932
The icon at the bottom is the same icon as her other spam account...

>>9534595
she's good but she could have at least worn a bra
going around free is fine and all but if you're dancing that's a different story

>>9534606
Stella's right? I change my opinion. Stella is trash. I mean good on her for realizing it was good to leave the group but... she basically threw them under the bus to her spam followers then posted it here which is even worse. Nice job Stella. You're officially shit.

>>9534045

Danshi or actual boy band? I rarely see male odottemita although we have a group that has a crossplayer

>>9534606
For real? Wow what a shit move

>>9534606
Oh my god, what a bitch. Desperately trying to save face by acting like she knew stellure was cringey this whole time, and throwing the rest of them under a bus.

>>9533193
Anon, you're sweet.

I would definitely make something closer to jpop, but it's good to know people might like stuff like that too. How might I go about finding a group that might want my help?

>>9533339
E-mail me some of your song ideas if you want, I'd love to see what you have to offer and you sound a lot more level-headed than most.

>>9533564
>>9533573
>>9533576
lol sorry you got posted

>>9534629
I agree with you so hardcore anon. I know she was reading a previous thread where we tore Stellure apart and was probably hyping it up in her mind that we would have the ~utmost respect ~ for her. People who throw their friends under the bus are worse than trash in my opinion.

>>9534318
>>9534580
Yet a lot of those other girls here are taken even less seriously.

>>9535216
We share a lot of mutual friends and allegedly she admitted to my friend that she lurks the shit out of here. My friends have said that her ego went through the roof after reading last thread

>>9534595
She's really good, I hope she keeps it up.

>>9534629
>>9534880
>>9535216
I don't really agree with that. I think she's fine and she's passionate about her goals but her friends aren't. What would have happened like many people is as they grow up she might need to depend on them and they wont have her back. It's not like she threw them under the bus and now it's the end of their career, they don't even have careers. It's like school drama, they probably already moved on after recess.

Besides who really supports groups like that besides drama whores, trolls, and pedos? Pick your association.

>>9535216
>>9535376
Well no shit her ego grew. Cgl had its own Stella Defense Squad for her shit cosplay and singing only because she was the cute one.

>>9534620
the thought of dancing without a bra on frightens me

with the size of my tits it would be horrendously painful. Running up stairs braless is enough to kill me

>>9535467
she isnt even cute or good at what she does, she's just the best compared to the rest of stellure

>>9535467
>>9535485
They're not even idols either. I'm sure you could register Stellure and other things associated with them and then DMCA them for it. That's the level they're at, you're just arguing about kids playing around. Move on.

>>9535393
I'm sorry but throwing people you call friends under the bus in a forum where you KNOW they get shit on by posting your reasons for disassociating yourself with them is a shit move. It's one thing to post on your spam account and it's another thing for a friend to post here. But to post it here YOURSELF and not even try to hide the fact that YOU posted is wrong. I have friends who I think are horrible and go no where and don't want to associate with any longer but do I post about them here and post why I don't want to associate? No. Because friend or not that is honestly wrong. And I don't support the group. I follow because I like watching groups grow and Stella honestly has the most potential. But potential is pretty useless when you essentially call your own friends and former group mates shit.

>>9535496
I honestly would call it playing around if they didn't really honestly aim to be idols (which is next to impossible in their state). Playing around is cosplay groups, not original ones.

https://youtu.be/8VJdwg1KAQ4

This is so cute but Kelsey really should've let the other girls talk more. I get not having much to say or bring shy but she literally cut the girls off a lot.

>>9535504
You're arguing about middle school drama possibly thousands of miles away, Think long and hard about that before you continue to perpetuate it.

They are just playing around. They don't even have anything registered, anything booked, any contracts. It didn't occur to them because it's not in the anime. Sorry anime is not real life.

>>9535509

She talks like she's got rocks in her mouth or something. I cannot stand her voice, so it's a shame that the other two didn't have the chance to speak more.

>>9534028
I love this so much but I feel this is too professional for this thread?

>>9535540
Anything is too professional for this thread. I actually don't even know why this thread exists on this board. It's fascinating to see so many people take things seriously when it's literally a middle school role playing thread.

>>9535554
are you someone from stellure?

>>9535555
No but after someone posted that they post here I would suspect they might be making these threads themselves. Why else would it be here instead of somewhere like /jp/ or /b/ for example.

>>9535563
You really think /jp/ wants to talk about uggo oversease wanna be idols?

>>9535563
If you don't like this board you can always.. oh I don't know... Close the board and stop replying?

Why so Stellure focused anyways? Other than being a typical cringe group they're nothing special, and getting way too much attention. The fact Stellar self posted just makes this whole thing 100x funnier, but can we move onto something new?

AX is coming up this week so I'm expecting some good cringe to come from it...

>>9535590
Theres a LL dance festival going on by the front of the convention center on saturday at 7 PM. Majorty of the groups look super cringe too. Anyone wanna meetup there?

>>9535590
Yeah, why don't we go on Insta and see what other cringe groups we can dig up? There's gotta be more wannabes out there. I suspect the whole Stellure focus is because they're actually doing things instead of just roleplaying/doing covers.

>>9535568
Both idols and laughing at rando cringe otaku are sort of their thing.

>>9535593
>>9535590
What makes you think I don't like the board?

This thread has nothing to do with the board, it's very out of character. It just makes you wonder who keeps making this thread and why did they bring it here in the first place. Maybe you should try some reading comprehension.

It's probably Stellure focused because they probably started it themselves. Either of you two could be one of them trying to do damage control.

>>9535607
Odottemita threads have been around long before Stellure...

>>9535554
>>9535563
>>9535607
The netidol/odottemita threads, I think, found their way here because they tend to perform at conventions and anime conventions are a /cgl/ topic. In addition, many of the groups have a cosplay element to them so the costumes are worth critiquing here. It's a very niche subject, so I don't think it would fit in on any other board either. And this board is pretty slow, so as long as there's only one thread going on at a time it's pretty non-intrusive.

>>9535615
>>9535618
You're not discussing conventions however, are you?

This thread doesn't even meet the rules for being on topic as it is right now. It might have started out different but right now it's just a drama and advertisement thread for amateur singers in wigs.

>>9535631
I mean you're not wrong but why is it a big deal? There's usually an odottemita thread bouncing around somewhere on this board, even though it's not really on topic. If the mods decide to get rid of these threads that's fine and we'd just probably make them on a different board, but they haven't yet so does it really affect you?

>>9535647
I only noticed the thread from the weird picture. I'm just commenting on what I've read, it's not a big deal or anything.

I should warn you though from this trajectory I wouldn't be surprised if you're discussion American Idol or back to school drama in the next thread.

>>9535659
That's literally what the thread is though. Discussing American "idols". It's literally in the title.

Also, these threads are most definitely not started by Stellure. After their little explosion a few threads back, I doubt they'd make these threads knowing what'd come. As far as conventions go, the actual convention speak pops up when the convention videos do. If they don't, no videos. Stellure honestly wouldn't have come up again had Stella not left and had she not posted here herself. But like someone said they're really the only "cosplay" or "idol" group doing anything. The rest are dead or doing stuff that's not worth talking about.

>>9535678
The odottemita threads have been around since Dansu To Pantsu did their 5th generation auditions back in 2015. I dont get why your trying to make these threads seem recent. You obviously havent been around long enough.

>>9535709
Meant to tag >>9535659

>>9535607
I'm the second anon you tagged, and holy crap are you reaching. I never mentioned anything about you disliking the thread, I merely suggested that we find more groups to laugh at.

>>9535836
Speaking of which, can we please get back on track? I need some good net idol cringe right now.

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>>9535841

>>9535841
>>9535843
Soooo.... Girls who learn dances for fun? Didn't know that every girl who dances gets to be called an idol.

>>9535841
>>9535843

>don't have the time or ability
>have potential
>recruits members to become "silent idols"

What the fuck. I'm pretty sure if they don't have the time or ability the group is going to die before it starts. Do people think these things through? If they don't do anything and are "silent", that's essentially modeling if you just take pictures.

>>9535841
>>9535843
How in the literal fuck do you get 150 followers for doing nothing, posting no content, and admitting in your bio you're not going to do anything?

>>9535849
I thought the singing part wasn't exactly optional

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ml8m_gp9GHo

This was just posted.... I think it'll fit well in this thread.

>>9535841
>>9535843
>just because we don't have the talent or even the time to perform doesn't mean we can't be idols!!
...Okay, what's the point of your group then?

>>9525979
Aw, the song's been deleted. I checked out the channel and it says that the group is being revamped. I wonder if they'll actually work to improve themselves or remain consistently bad like Flusay Girls.

>>9535911
I am personally offended by Eli's wig.

>>9535476
shit dude same

>>9535911
This is the saddest performance of Angelic Angel i've ever seen. Its obvious the Nico didn't learn the dance either.

>>9535911
I couldn't get over how the announcer pronounced "kirei".

>>9535931
The freaking Maki killed it for me, her wig is hideous

>>9535911
I don't think it's that bad for a cosplay group? Like, it's not professional-level dancing obviously, and there's some inconsistency within individual dance moves (mostly with angles of arms/fans and the timing with which they move through the dance move). And I agree that Nico looks lost through most of the dance. But it looks like they spent a decent amount of time actually practicing it as a group. They know just where to go when changing formations and are generally in sync for the big moves (even if, as I said, the timing within the move isn't consistent for each dancer). They're also all lip-syncing and most of them are smiling. I definitely like this way more than the group that did the Happy Party Train cover posted earlier in the thread!

>>9536612
So which one are you?

>>9536638
Not any of them. Why does that joke pop up any time someone doesn't hate something? It's tired.

>>9535591

Do they have a sogn up list or something?

>>9536656
justsifthings (who basically does Humans of Socal LL community) on instagram is hosting basically all of the LL casual stuff at AX so contact him

>>9536642
Because on 4chan any kind of praise means you're the person even if you're not. I've learned that any kind of postive criticism is frowned upon because god forbid these groups have some redeeming qualities.

>>9536612
I agree with you, it's not that bad. They do need to work on sync if they want to continue dancing and improving at it, but it's a good start.

>>9535911
I don't hate this. There are a bunch of problems/less than ideal stuff like the lack of energy at times, ugly wigs, etc, but as another anon said it's clear they spent time practicing together

and why is the Eli always the ugliest, fattest, and least skilled when her defining traits are the exact opposite - tall and skinny, pretty and most skilled?

>>9536743
cuz she got big boobies

>>9533857
Is that Mari the chick who used to be in Maids Of England (the blonde one who wore orange)? Or do they just look super similar

>>9536612
Agreed, they're certainly not terrible. Very middle of the road. With a little more practice they might actually be good. That said, they need to replace that Nico or tell her off for not practicing. Having the noise in the beginning also seems really off--it's so easy to cut that out and just have the music, and it adds nothing to the performance.

>>9536760
They just look super similar thanks to angles & filters. The MOE girl is tall and skinny, that Mari is far from either.

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>>9535843
They posted more info and it's basically another idol roleplay group with the option to upload song/dance covers (but you don't have to if you don't want to because you don't have to sing or dance to be an idol~!!)

>>9536758
>cuz she got big boobies
Isn't that why fatties tend to choose Nozomi though? Speaking of which:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkPaWx2vaUY

>>9536827
Yeah, or Hanayo. Although, even the canonically thick or "chubby" LL girls are still drawn really slim and beautiful, so overweight girls are gonna get shit whoever they choose to cosplay as. Might as well just go with your favorite girl or fill in for whichever slot a group needs, rather than worrying about how well your body fits the character, since they're all skinny anyway.

>>9536827
I don't understand. Do they not know they can use the word "roleplay"? If they don't have skill they can't be an idol. I just don't get it.

>>9536827
every time i see this video, it amazes me how she found a shirt that perfectly contorts to every roll

New thread >>9536874

stellure needs
1.vocal lessons
2.dance lessons
3.creativity when making titles/names/etc
4.original outfits
5.vocal lessons
6.more vocal lessons