How do we fix /cgl/?

Allow naming and shaming and drama again.

Bring back drama

Getting rid of this 'no real names and bullying uwu', that's ridiculous for a board on 4chan when just a few boards away people's private lives are readily exposed and destroyed.

Let people make more threads instead of "that's slightly related to x, post it in the general for x!!"

Make a board for cons and cosplay, and another board for jfashion and magazines

>>9491247
I wish I could destroy lives here :(

>>9491176
Ban on thinly veiled fap threads, "what do i cosplay as threads" unless it's a general, and "how do i get laid at a con" threads. Also bring back /con/

>>9491264
THIS

>>9491263
We can still destroy people's self esteem and confidence, dear anon <3

Stop the giant influx of the exact same lolita/ita/etc threads.

Change the damn sticky and pastebin

>>9491264
>Ban on thinly veiled fap threads

fap threads are already banned by the mods, despite not being banned by the rules

where are all these fap threads ruining /cgl/?

>>9491247
Clearly you're new and don't remember a time when there were four fucking koots threads at any given time.

it's best this shit isn't brought back, it clogs the catalog with stupid shit like "DID YOU HEAR? SO AND SO FARTED AT A TEA PARTY." leave it to the farm.

I agree with everyone saying bring back the drama. That's what really killed this board. No, we don't need ten thousand PT threads like we used to have, but cosplay and lolita are mostly community based hobbies, so it only makes sense that we're going to want to talk about individual people. It's not like we're doxxing anyone.

>>9491255
>Make a board for cons and cosplay, and another board for jfashion and magazines
This isn't a good idea because there's such a huge overlap between the jfash/con portion of /cgl/. Plus, have you seen how slow this board is on a regular day? We just don't have enough content for two boards.

>>9491176
Kill off half of the actual gulls and completely remove all the crossboarders.

>>9491329
>it's not like we were doxxing anyone

The real issue is how clogged the catalog is going to be with bullshit. You say we don't need to have 10 threads about one specific person again but that is EXACTLY what is going to happen.

>>9491333
See? Trips confirm.

>>9491290
"Photography" threads and most cosplays that barely cover more than a bikini. The thing is there are very animes/games aren't fap bait to begin with. I just block things like "sexy", cleavage, boobs, latex, and etc. But I'm only here for j-fashion so I block all cosplay and con threads too anyway.

>>9491333
>but that is EXACTLY what is going to happen.
That's why we have janitors. When we had this problem before, it was because we didn't have any janitors, so the board was essentially a shitpost free for all.

>>9491247
I think if it's not a minor it should be allowed as long as they've posted either full info themselves or enough info to be easily found through

>>9491344
They've shown to take ages to respond to a certain someone, so why do you think it's going to be any different? It's still going to clog the catalog for hours.

I swear I'm the only person who's been here long enough to remember exactly how bad the problem was. People wouldn't be asking for it if they remembered, or the people who ask for it are just insatiable idiots who don't get enough drama from the farm.

>>9491350
I was here during the peak of the drama problem. It was bad, but that was because we had zero fucking janitors. Yeah, the ones we have now are slow, but we just had applications, so maybe we'll get more. We also don't have the big dramawhores anymore (Kota, PT, Kipi, etc), so there's not enough coming from one person to flood the board.

If you hate the threads so much, just hide then. I end up hiding dozens of threads now because they're all shit like
>how do i get a cosplay gf
>how do i make this
>who should i cosplay
>YOU'RE ALL SLUTS AND WHORES

>>9491362
>we don't have the big dramawhores anymore

You realize that if we allow drama threads back there will be new ones, yes? How is this hard to figure out?

>hide the threads
The threads you're talking about pop up maybe one or two that I stumble across a day, max. Don't compare that to a constant stream of drama threads.

This board needs to be cleansed of the tumblr hug boxing and drama needs to be brought back. This is ridiculous that on 4CHAN of all places I can't talk about people because of a dumb rule. It doesn't belong on this site. Just hire more janitors if you thought it was such an extreme issue.

>>9491362
Tbh if you're this thirsty for drama just go to the farm.

>>9491366
The tumblr hugbox aspect needs to go but bringing the drama back will do nothing but lower the quality of the already low quality of this board drastically

>>9491283
Its funny because this board has genuinely ruined some people's lives and made them quit lolita.

>>9491365
>>9491369
Why are you so upset? Again, just hide the damn threads. It takes two seconds. How is this hard to figure out? You keep speaking in hypotheticals and acting like they're fact. Yes, the drama beforehand was fucking awful, but I highly doubt it'll be as bad as it was before. Cosplay was in its heyday seven years or so ago.

I don't even care for extreme drama; I just want to be able to fucking name and shame scammers, and know who to avoid for being batshit crazy.

>tinfoil, you must be a dramawhore if you're this worried about it desufampai

>>9491389
>you must be a dramawhore

This is another big part of the drama coming back, people jokingly and unjokingly throwing around bullshit accusations.

I'm "upset" because I don't want /came/ to turn back into lolcow 2.0. Everyone's least favorite unoriginal troll seems to be gone, finally things are going back to normal, and yet people want to bring the drama back? Why? Can't you leave well enough be?

>>9491395
Fuck off and find another site then. No board on 4chan should have this special rule, it's fucking stupid.

>>9491402
>boo boo i can't post people's personal information to 4chan even though there are websites with identical formats that I can do that on

Sincerely it sounds like you are an edgy 12 year old with a vendetta you want to spam on 4chan.

>>9491385
>quitting lolita because meanie anons
Pathetic.

>>9491406
You must be new if you don't know some of the shit /cgl/ was known to pull.

>>9491395
>people jokingly and unjokingly throwing around bullshit accusations.
That's been happening since before this was a blue board, and it will continue to happen.

You keep bringing up lolcow; that's helping, too. Since people know they can get their fix there, it'll help cut down on stupid vendetta threads. Again, every time we have these "how to fix /cgl/ threads," people say to bring back the drama, but keep a close eye on it. No one wants it to be the way it used to be, but it's fucking boring now. Not even for lack of drama, just because we're so stifled with what we can and cannot talk about.

>>9491411
You can try to justify it all you want, but if you let yourself get so sucked into internet dramu that it has a massive effect on your life you're fucking pathetic. And please, don't try to make cgl look like some kind of terrifying force.

>>9491412
Agreed, it's so stupid that on 4chan of all places you can get banned for calling someone by their first name. EVERYONE in the Cakes&Couture thread knows who B-chan is, but if we say her name we get banned, that's asinine.

>>9491412
>people say to bring back the drama but keep an eye on it

This would require a fairy large increase of work for janitors and mods and I doubt they're going to want to put in the effort seeing as they barely do a competent job now

>>9491419
Then get new janitors and mods. Fucking Christ, now you're just making excuses. If you offer to mod a 4chan board, you know exactly what you're getting yourself into.

>>9491412
>fucking boring now
This lol.
We also have shitty mods, they will let threads from /pol/ (ultimate baito threads) stay on here for several days, but delete any sort of IRL drama rather quickly. There really isn't any consistency.

>>9491425
You're saying this like i have it in my power to get new mods? It's not making excuses, you actually have to think about how shit like this impacts a board.

It's like you want something but don't think through how it'll be implemented and still scream "Gimmie!" like a child. and that's just stupid.

>bring back drama and naming/shaming
No, be adults.

Drama doesn't really help the community as a whole, and it's ridiculously easy to just make shit up about someone you don't like and have it spread through the community like wildfire because unfortunately /cgl/ loves gossip but doesn't really grasp the concepts of "burden of proof" or letting people grow and change.

Sometimes there's people who are legitimately bad (i.e., Kopf) and it's good to spread awareness, but a lot of the drama revolves around people that are just harmlessly obnoxious and should be ignored. By and large /cgl/ has proven that ya'll are not mature enough to discuss people, cons, etc in a reasonable and open-minded manner.

Plus as someone else has stated, once you open up the floodgates, it is literally a flood; Koti, Jnig, PT, PF, Yaya, Spoony, etc threads for days. Keep it to lolcow and pull or make an 8ch board. This board is meant to discuss hobbies, not people.

>>9491264
Bringing back /con/ and moving cosplay and con discussion there would be a good idea. Then make this board a female fashion board in general. Allow fit threads here (so long as pro-ED is kept at bay) and all the makeup, hair, and skincare threads would stay here. Splitting the board has been brought up before but a lot of people complain it "won't be fast enough" like >>9491329 . If you expand the topics of the boards they may not be super active, but they won't be completely dead.

The other stuff you mentioned is already banned lol.

>>9491340
It sounds to me like that's a personal issue and you're equating revealing with sexual. We actually haven't had a legit "fap" thread in a long time.

>>9491344
People have no self-moderation. Allow drama, and you're going to get swarmed and each thread is going to kill a legitimate thread for good, regardless of whether or not janitors delete the duplicate thread.

>>9491366
>>9491375
>hugbox
That's not something anyone can control.

1. More modding to stop pol shit and get rid of needless bait.
2. Lighten up on rules so we can talk in peace. stop the banning for naming bs, it stifles conversation
3. Separate lolita and cosplay ffs.

>>9491433
Finally someone with some fucking sense about them.

>>9491433
>female fashion board in general
No, I don't need every wannabe fashion blogger coming in here and spamming her instagram shit here.

>>9491434
Agreed with this 100%, honestly I think we need new mods.

>>9491434
>separate ita and cosplay
No. Because this board is already slow so we would get two boards moving at the pace of a snail. We talked about this hundred times.

Also for the love of god, no more drama, I was there when it was allowed and it clogged the board. I know you saltshakers love dramu but keep that shit to the farm. But I agree on lightening up the rules for just naming. I think we're all adults and can have a conversation about someone without doxxing them and ruining their whole life like /b/ and the like.

>>9491439
This. We don't need instahoes and every wannabe fashun guru blogging here

Bring the drama back or so help me god I will outspam every porn bot on /b/ with drama threads. We're not 14. Don't tell me not to talk shit. I wanna talk shit.

>>9491433
generally good post but
>female fashion board in general
worst idea in the entire thread

>>9491455
This is a perfect example of the maturity level of the people who want drama back here.

>we are not 14

Well i'll be damned if you don't act like you are.

>>9491450
>Also for the love of god, no more drama, I was there when it was allowed and it clogged the board. I know you saltshakers love dramu but keep that shit to the farm. But I agree on lightening up the rules for just naming. I think we're all adults and can have a conversation about someone without doxxing them and ruining their whole life like /b/ and the like.

They didn't even say they wanted all the drama back. but I don't want a thread to be deleted because I mention an e-famous lolita or cosplayer by name. The lite, relevant drama is still here, it's just all cryptic to avoid saying anyones name. It was also obvious that in certain periods the mods were biased towards certain e-famous individuals.

>>9491455
I sure hope you're being sarcastic otherwise you just made the best case ever as to why drama shouldn't be allowed back.

>>9491366
>>9491375
How is /cgl/ a hugbox?
I'm ok with "drama" as long as it's kept to one or two threads and confined within said threads.

>>9491439
>>9491456
>I don't need every wannabe fashion blogger coming in here and spamming her instagram shit here.
I sincerely doubt that would happen, and there could easily be an enforced "no selfpost/ad" rule from the get-go.

>worst idea in the entire thread
Lolcow and 8ch both have girl boards which are relatively fine. The only potential downside is /fit/ and /r9k/ trying to invade worse than they already do here, but if janitors+mods keep on their toes in the beginning, it should largely discourage the shitposts. Same thing happened with /pol/ and bigoted shitposts when /lgbt/ first came out.

All boards start out in trial mode. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and the board gets deleted. No harm in trying.

>>9491464
>I'm ok with "drama" as long as it's kept to one or two threads and confined within said threads.

No! this is how it takes over the entire board! No general drama threads, you should just be able to say shit like

>I was scammed by x shop
in the etsy thread
>So and so is a massive ita and a bitch
in the lolita general or comm thread.
>Such and such photographer is bad and overpriced
in the photog thread.

>>9491465
>I sincerely doubt that would happen, and there could easily be an enforced "no selfpost/ad" rule from the get-go.

Global rules already have this covered. We're not even allowed to post 4chan cup links, so I doubt advertising your own instagram is allowed.

>>9491433
>General female fashion
No. Besides, j-fashion isn't female exclusive.

1. New mods
2. Remove the 'no mentioning by name' rule because it's just stupid. Just don't dox people.
3. Sticky the help thread so idiots know not to make new threads for their stupid questions.
4. Make a drama containment thread so the board isn't flooded with drama but it can still be posted.

>>9491476
>make a drama containment thread

won't work for a ton of reasons already stated

>>9491476
Don't sticky the help thread, just add to the sticky we have now that all questions go there. G and other boards have it in their stickies that stupid questions go in the stupid questions thread. Don't see why we can't go that here

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>>9491414
>sucked into internet dramu
uhh, you realize internet drama can turn into irl drama, right?

>>9491494
That's still not irl drama. No one threatened to find her, no one doxxed her, if she had just stopped self-posting for five fucking minutes, or stopped always trying to defend herself, she would have been fine.
>wahh people pretended to be me
Yeah, that happens with every cow. Just ignore it and it dies down. Carson hasn't been relevant in years.

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>>9491465
>Same thing happened with /pol/ and bigoted shitposts when /lgbt/ first came out.
But we all know what /pol/ secretely thinks of /lgbt/...

>>9491494
I agree with you, but the girl from the screenshot is a whole can of worms herself and can't really be trusted for a fair account.

>>9491178
>>9491218
>>9491247
>female dominated board
>BRING BACK DRAMUUUU
>LETS SHITALK PEOPLE BEHIND THEIR BACKS ANONYMOUSLY

That's just pathetic.

>>9491503
>another /polgbt/ shipper
You. I like you.
>tfw no /pol/ gf to lesbianistically hold hands with

>>9491506
Dude, I roll my eyes at all the dramu mention myself because what good can a "drama thread" be but really? Don't act as if all the others male dominated boards don't shit talk as much if not more sometimes.

>>9491455
>>9491412
What is wrong with you and people like you? I think the drama rule should ease up a bit like >>9491461
but you sound crazed. You need a second hobby.

>>9491519
>we can barely talk about anything
>WOW YOU'RE CRAZED GET A HOBBY

>>9491513
>Don't act as if all the others male dominated boards don't shit talk as much if not more sometimes.
They do, but most of the times it's about e-celebs (ex: e-famous artists on /ic/, developpers with media coverage on /v/), not about nobodies that happen to have a certain hobby and are taken by surprise by a lot of sudden, negative attention.
But bashing is always pathetic. I just think it's worst when it's done on people not used at all to gain any kind of attention on the internet.

>>9491405
>vendetta
This meme needs to be put in the ground.

What /cgl/ and every board really needs is being back visible sage. It's impossible to shame newfags/crossboarders, especially their cancerous threads, effectively anymore. People who are saying "just hide the things you don't like" obviously haven't been on 4chan long enough to remember when shitting on cancer was a job we all actively shared.

>>9491412
>No one wants it to be the way it used to be, but it's fucking boring now. Not even for lack of drama, just because we're so stifled with what we can and cannot talk about.
This. I think it's boring specifically because we're stifled. You shouldn't have to ever sit on a 4chan board and be forced to self censor because certain things are arbitrarily banned. People call each other niggers everywhere from /pol/ to /po/, it's just anonymous culture to be freewheeling and somewhat hostile. Trying to limit that just limits our ability as a board to discuss organically and makes the whole thing frustrating.

Also, I'm suspicious it's the administration trying to clean 4chans image up for advertisers. They make an effort to cut down heavily on anything that might make our image seem like the old "final boss of the internet" 4chan again. Some boards, things like racism is the only thing the mods ever bother to even act on, chasing the /pol/ boogeyman but completely ignoring all the things relevant to the board rules.

>>9491441
>>9491428
New mods and janitors. They seem to be or are friends with itas and get mad at little things. I have been giving warnings for giving concrit to the wrong people. I honestly think they self-post here. I will probably be b& but this over reaching is hurting. you can trash talk african americans but you cant tell a hispanic person their skirt is an odd lenght. You can call a natural girl ugly but you cant say anything about a trans. They will wait a few days and suspend you for 3 days. You cant talk about certain cons but rag on others. Some dutch person is always getting a warning or thread delete. The pattern is shaping up. New peeps are needed.
Also, /pol is in every thread and nothing happens.

>>9491433
Drama is a stupid idea. I've been here since 2005 and /cgl/ is probably at its peak. There is too much rose tinted glasses outlook for "the good old /cgl". The board isn't perfect now but it's sure as hell better than it used to be. The drama was tiring and boring. The rare good threads were constantly derailed with vendetta and drama.

>>9491450
I think if this place got more drama the board would get slower. What you gain in posts about efamous lolitas you'd lose in people stopping coming to the board because they either didn't give a shit or just flat-out didn't want to be associated with it. /cgl/ isn't what it used to be, so if I get outed as a seagull I can laugh it off and say I enjoy the discussion and inspo threads. If it goes back to being drama central I would stop posting in funny reactions threads etc because I wouldn't want to risk outing myself.

>>9491456
I mean, if they want more pol and fit invasions than there are already...

Really we can do nothing. All of the real grievances are from people not looking at the catalogue or being in too much of a hurry to look for the help thread. We can't fix stupidity.

>all of this desperation for drama

As if we don't talk enough shit here already. I like that vendetta threads and derailments get deleted because they're the scum of our board. If anyone has worthy drama then post it on the farms. There's already ample drama here.

>>9491564
this. I'm perfectly ok with saying "oh yeah i go on cgl sometimes" but back then? Boy. I would hide myself and feel bad because this place was, as you say, dramu central.

>>9491494
>selfposting on 4ch was stressful for me so I had to leave the Lolita community officially

>>9491461
But then mods would have to know efamous lolita's by name, and they'd have to decide what makes a Lolita efamous. Anyone who posts on cof frequently is known.

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>>9491494
>selfposted on /cgl/

If she got a lot of hate for self posting why didn't she stop? You'd think she'd gotten the hint to stop when people would constantly discourage her for it

>>9491641
This. I wouldn't admit I go on the farm, but I'm fine saying I go here now that it's not 24/7 salty bitches.

>>9491465
God no, I don't want a girl board so close to the rest of 4chan. crystal.cafe just opened, I'll stick around there.

>>9491650
But anon, that's what a smart person would do and she's an idiot.

I agree that cyber bullying for the most part is bullshit, but in certain cases it can and has and will leak into real life. I'm not talking about people who can't step away from the computer, i'm talking about people being stalked for real, having their bank account info and address revealed online, etc.

Extreme cases, yeah, but it does happen.

>>9491659
>now that it's not 24/7 salty bitches

it still is, just 24/7 salty bitches of a different flavor

>>9491647
If the mods don't know about our boards subculture they're not fit to be mods in the first place. Why would you even offer to mod a board you don't even care about?

We should be able to talk about anyone, regardless of how famous they are, by name. We're not even allowed to use their online handles which is fucking stupid. It's not doxxing someone. It's relevant.

There is a whole separate forum for drama now, why do people need it on cgl? Are you too lazy to check certain sites, is lolcow too bitchy for you? Just go to the farm.

>>9491708
Personally I think lolcow is a shitfest of incredibly low quality milk and shitty attempts at doxxing everyone they don't like.

That said I feel mixed about getting drama on here again. The only thing I'd definitely like back is being able to just name people who are outright scamming the community and such.

>>9491682
but this board is about two different things. you can't expect a lolita to know famous cosplayers

>>9491340
>photography threads are fap threads
To this day I've never seen one with fap material. It's mostly snarky girls shit talking photographers or nitpicking the lighting or nitpicking just anything at all.

>>9491775
You do realise we can have more than one active janitor at any given time.

I think it's dumb as shit that I got banned for three days just for saying a kid acted like a spoiled brat at an event.

>>9492126
And I'll probably get banned again for complaining about it.

>>9491176
Maybe harsher on ban evasion? Do it once, then they'll definitely do it again. Especially the really moronic trolls and those who didn't take the time to let it be a chill out period, becoming a buttmad manchild.

Better jannies. Instead of deleting and banning so much for Innocent stuff claiming it's off topic or vendetta, why not crack down on actual shitposting and off topic. It would help if they were actual gulls

Have butthurt mods put this on autosage?

>>9492559
I give them credit for this surviving this long.

>>9491362
>>YOU'RE ALL SLUTS AND WHORES
To be fair, we are

>>9491176
remove all the women

Ban all women