Genderless Kei

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>>9182413

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>>9182414

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This is the first I've heard of it, and I really don't know how to feel about it.
"Not my thing." is all that comes to mind.

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>>9182417

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This fucking hair though. OP, explain.

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??
Why is it so frumpy?

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>>9182419

>>9182418
Fair enough

>>9182420
Explanation: Personal tastes differ, and icons of new fashions tend to be on the more experimental/risk-taking side

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>>9182422

>>9182421
I don't know

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>>9182424

Good thing it's just a trend.

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>>9182425
As you can see, fot genderless kei men it isn't a specific style as much as it as an aesthetic that tends to combine male clothes with female makeup/hair/accessories

>>9182429

>>9182426
It's just the latest iteration of androgyny in Japan, which has a pretty long history

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>>9182433
>dropped image

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>>9182441

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>>9182447

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>>9182449

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>>9182450
A significant drawback with genderless kek is the same found in other trends that emerge or perpetuate in the age of social media: its most popular figures rely on face-beautification apps to add to the androgyny. Like Mana's high-exposure noseless portraits, the male stars of the movement set a high standard that is difficult to replicate.

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>>9182453
>genderless kek
>kei*

Pic related also benefits from being a literal teenager.

>>9182457
Kwality kwaftsmenship.

>>9182456
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>>9182425
These are good. The rest, not so much. I feel like >>9182447
>>9182420
>>9182419
>>9182418
are trying to channel old 80s fashion/anime, but it's just not working because they don't have the face for it. Pitiable.

>>9182453
>genderless kek

aaaa yes. the rarest of keks

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>>9182443

I don't really get it. If the main thing is to look genderless, hasn't it been around at least as long as visual kei? Is Japan collectively ignoring genderless aesthetic already existed in their country for a long time?

>genderless
>not androgynous

ok.

>>9182420
This guy has such a top kek personality.

Anyway, I'm not super into this trend. Some coords look nice, though. But those re mostly the ones that imo still look quite boyish too.
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>>9182436
>>9182441
>>9182453

>>9182553
>visual kei
True dat. >>9182441 reminds me of oshare kei.

>>9182413
Sounds like tumblr teir pandering to me. Why not just call it androgynous like everyone else ever?

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>>9182413
>acting like androgyny is new and exciting and da nex big thing u guise

>>9182607
Not OP, but: it's not that androgyny is a new thing in general, but there is a new trend based on it called genderless kei. Coined by that blonde Harajuku dude whose name I keep forgetting.

>>9182592
See>>9182730. it's an actual street fashion in tokyo right now (unlike a lot of the stuff on this board honestly). I doubt they give 2 fucks about tumblrinas

>>9182417
>>9182456
P-chan is the cutest!

>>9182588
>But those re mostly the ones that imo still look quite boyish too.
Because Japan doesn't understand what genderless is, hence why it's only wannabe bishies and no girls.

>>9182443
Would it kill you to put on some foundation??

>>9182795
Well some have very feminine hairstyles, such as >>9182420 and >>9182449. But imo that looks just ugly. No offense. >>9182429 is OKish..

This kind of reminds me of kpop

If you showed me all these images without context I wouldn't be able to tell they're from the same subfashion

>>9182413
Because it's pretty boring and could be "alt genderless fashion" in pretty much any other culture. The fruits guy is right, JP street fashion is taking a boring turn.

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Eurythmics-kei

>>9185102
I like you

>>9183385
That's because Genderless Kei isn't an actual own fashion but foreigners seem to love to think that the Kei suffix is a fashion, just like how Sabukaru Kei isn't a fashion either but the term for subcultures in general.

>>9182782
Aaah, is that what they call him? I thought he was a girl for the longest time lol. Is he some kind of popular shop staff or model? I see him from time to time on instagram.

>>9185112
He is one of the dancer of Tempura Kidz group and was a back dancer for Kyaru Pamyu Pamyu before that.

>>9182413
>Biggest thing to happen to Japanese street fashion in 2016.

It's called Visual Kei and it started 20 years ago.

>>9185124
Ooh, okay! Thank you for clarifying! I appreciate it, anon.

>>9185126
They dress nothing like VK tho, it's all unisex casualfag clothing.

>>9185126
Mana-sama would be disappointed in you, Anon

Isn't this the Japanese version of non-binary? Fashion wise they don't have anything in common.

>>9185255
Nah, it's only straight japanese guys dressing feminime to get fujoshi $$$ with buying their shit.

Is there any chance Genderless Kei is "manufactured" ?

Meaning Toma wrote a book on Genderless Kei but then he also is a producer of Kiss on Kiss, right?

>>9185102
I'd love it if that newwave-ish style came back.
Eurythmics, Blondie, Human League, Soft Ballet, Japan etc..

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>>9182449
This not so much.

>>9185610
No, the term was made up by fashion mags which isn't hard to figure out considering the whole first page when searching "ジェンダーレス系" is magazines for teenagers.

>>9182607
>implying Tumblr isn't already rife with people who are "trans" and "nonbinary" and "otherkin"
It really is trendy to be "different".

>>9185635
Okay, this is what I got;
- Dr. Masafumi Monden seems to be the first person to mention "genderless kei" in 2014;
http://sydney.edu.au/arts/slc/staff/profiles/masafumi.monden.php?apcode=ACADPROFILE300808
- Then the book "The Perfect Style Book for Genderless Boys" is published in 2015. The cover says in Japanese "Genderless Danshi"
- NHK special on Genderless Danshi;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2U81Jh71Jk
- Then the Kiss on Kiss album comes out;
http://www.neowing.co.jp/product/NEOBK-1787878

- In the NHK interview the pop star politely tells (in Japanese, the dub is incorrect) that he does not like the phrase Genderless Kei.
- In google the earliest mention on the internet is 2014 by Dr. Monden
- Then in 2015 the book is published
- Then, later in 20215 the album comes out
- The earliest english-mention is 2014 on tumblr, after Monden's article.

All evidence I can find suggests this was a trend created by a very small group of people in Japan, people within Japan preferred the word "unisex" instead but then it became popular abroad.

>>9185644
So the question I have is; Is Genderless Kei an organically formed trend from the streets working it's way up... Or was it manufactured and is now largely being fueled by western-tumblr reblogs?

>>9185646
>but then it became popular abroad.
It's pretty much unknown in the west, you won't find articles outside of japanese sites besides negative ones about how the fashion industry abuses the genderless trend for profit without actually being genderless
>Genderless Kei (“kei” means “style”) blew up in the Japanese media after several top Genderless models appeared in the popular Tokyo Girls Collection 2015 Autumn/Winter fashion show.
https://medium.com/@TokyoFashion/genderless-kei-japan-s-hot-new-fashion-trend-9e25a2c559c6#.9tgg21ycr

>>9185651
It's only a new word made by the media for boys that dress in feminine style without crossdressing, that's all.

"Genderless Kei" is the most forced special snowflake "style" I've ever seen on this board (and I lived through the "Uchuu Kei" threads)

Being androgynous and trendy does not a new fashion genre make

>>9185679
Why forced? It's the media that create the name and those get labeled as genderless kei dont call themself that anyways.

>>9185656
https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B9%E7%B3%BB%E7%94%B7%E5%AD%90

First time "genderless kei" is used on twitter is aug 20th 2015

I feel that /fa/ would quite like this.

>>9185656
Kei doesn't mean style

>>9182417
I want to give this person a hug

>>9185701
>It's the media that create the name
the same thing happened to lolita.

Excuse me but what part of this makes it a fashion style? Most of them are wearing totally different styles

>>9186110
>didn't read the thread
>didn't google the term
>doesn't know what "kei" means

>>9185905
I hope you know that the quote is from Tokyofashion, a japanese site but yeah, japanese don't know shit about japanese.

>>9182420
Ok this is just ridiculous

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>>9185905
Not literally.

I love this type of style but when I speak about itthere is always tumblurinas or sjw to piss me of. That make me sad, but, at least on 4 chan we don't fucking care about those teenagers issue who want to have a fast answer to they normal questions about they gender/style. Keep the good stuff here !

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>>9185679
This. "Uchuu kei" was bad enough but this is the next level shit. There is no hope for /cgl/ anymore. I swear these people are coming from the menhera threads.

J-fashion is already genderless. Like it's Tokyo. You can wear whatever the fuck you want.

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>fashion bloggers call this a huge trend in Tokyo street fashion
>/cgl/ dismisses it out of hand

this board is so out of touch

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>>9188683
"Genderless kei" is just the japanese equivalent of fake bois.

>>9188723
>men and boys in male clothes with feminine hair, makeup, and accessories, who say they want to enjoy a unisex style
>women and girls in female clothes with feminine hair, makeup, and accessories, who say they are 100% male

not seeing the similarity, please explain.

>>9188646
You are acting like /cgl/ invented those, not our fault Japan gets new fashions once a while with some of them being repeats of old stuff.
https://medium.com/@TokyoFashion/genderless-kei-japan-s-hot-new-fashion-trend-9e25a2c559c6#.9tgg21ycr

>>9182449
I'll be honest, I'm a plab so maybe I have no idea what I am talking about. But this particular one just looks like a mess to me. Not in a good way either.

>>9188683
What are the rules of the fashion? It seems less about clothing and more about generic tumblr looking androgyny. If there's no style guidelines or fashion brands, it really is a more about gender rather than a fashion style. It seems the big figures in it just want e-fame for being "genderless" in appearance.

>>9188728
You are mixing up your terms. Fakeboi = girl who pretends to be a boy, typically cute uke uguu uwu, online. What you're thinking about is transtrenders.

>>9188982
>What are the rules of the fashion?
I swear, only neo-lolitas ask this question.

>>9188988
But Genderless Kei only applies to men/boys, how are they fakebois?

I hate how Tokyo Fashion gave it a stupid name which half of the wearers don't even use. It's just androgynous style, nothing special. It's been around for ages.

>>9189035
>thinking Tokyo Fashion invented the term
They didn't even write articles about until this year, the earliest articles about "Genderless Kei" searching "ジェンダーレス系" and the earliest posts of people calling their style such are from April 2015 (like this one > https://twitter.com/kokubu1029/status/589263133660712960).

>>9188991
Yup. Lolitas are fucking autistic. Most 'keis or Jfash movements in general don't have set rules or silhouettes, they're more about the aesthetic/central motifs than anything.
>tfw I said this in the menhera thread and got bitched at and accused of being HWC

>>9189081
> don't have set rules
agree
>silhouettes
disagree, most do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Qw_0qRv7c
Yohdi Kondo also falls in this category.

>>9188991
>>9189081
>"rules" are mentioned
>sperg out about how lolitas are autistic
Well, okay. I hate to break it to you, but all j-fash has a general structure to it. Just because lolita is most notorious for this doesn't mean other j-fashions don't have it.

>>9189378
Not really. Rules for most J-fashion are set commonly by what stores people go to and what outfits/fashionistas (or rather their personal style) are most popular. No one sat down and said an outfit must have certain parts to it, those parts just blow up because they works.
I think westerners don't have the same stores available to them, or the exact same feel for most of these aesthetics, so the subcultures don't grow as organically, and they kind of assume what they see are cemented rules and not just what's popularly known and iconic. I guess it works for them, because if they just did whatever it'd look completely different from the actual Japanese fashions, but at the same time it can get really derivative and boring, and groups commonly sperg out when anyone deviates from the same old rehashed shit.

>>9189075
But just because someone calls something x kei doesn't make it a fashion. Most of the guys in this thread have nothing in common fashion-wise

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>>9189889
it's more of an attitude than a set fashion. i am definitely seeing more soft, feminine makeup on guys in street snaps. the contrast between the genderless kei approach to fashion and the regular guys' approach is fairly marked, often even in terms of posing.

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>>9194032
a regular guy in comparison.

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>>9194037
again, then there is a softer look, even in posing and facial expression. even androgynous vkei guys or decora dudes generally did not have this "softness" that's cropping up in street snaps lately. usually even weird guys go for "cool" rather than "gentle."

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>>9194038
same dude i think, sporting the softer unisex or genderless kei type of styling.

>>9183010
MTE. I was legit about to ask what group >>9182421 is, lol.

K-pop boy groups have been doing this for years, Japan is actually late.

>>9194045
yeah, articles have mentioned the Kpop influence.

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>>9194040
meanwhile, the vkei style of androgynous is still more focused on being cool...

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>>9194053
...and if you go back to, say, 2010, guys in "normal" street fashion were more likely to look like pic related. still aloof, often tilting head away.

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>>9194061
whereas 2016 sees a lot of these more huggable types that seem open instead of closed-off. even the way they approach the camera is different.

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>>9194040
im pretty sure this is no_s_ke on instagram, if anyones curious

>>9194053
>>9194061
>>9194067
These are really interesting observations anon, thanks!

>>9182413
>Japanese street fashion in 2016

2016? Visual Kei was doing this all the way back in the early 80's, and so was Oshare Kei a couple of decades later.

>>9182413
I honestly think its super attractive like wtf who knew

>>9182443
does he know makeup exists?

>>9194723
see >>9194032 and subsequent posts

the genderless kei aesthetic is different from what vkei has been.