Artist Alley General

OP will start here.

I'm looking to buy a new button maker. I have a old hand held manual one but I'd like one with interchangeable sizes and that is a bit larger/better quality.
Any recommendations?

OP, if you're going to make the AA thread, include all the resource links.

>Resources
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l-9tZn_PaqsZWkb5SB_aqwh7uvURyoLgdsQiuz_Ty08/edit#gid=0
>Taobao/Alibaba services
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14zGSegr0b-429wZq5_xdMbE9hpLcXg8fqqe0OxnU2Yo/edit#gid=0
>Artist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ESQ-1h4IRUivbGNaxJFxXyDU1lSv26xTmMdH0sDX7sU/edit?usp=sharing
>How to order from Vograce
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18UxKnpgrmeb82NnW5e4YIEX-eZ3zHt178Mp6i0A5gME/edit?usp=sharing

People who were selling at AX, how did you do (if you're comfortable with sharing)?

>>9092386
I did almost double what I made last year? Which was surprising considering that they stuck us in the hell basement. Around $7.5k. (For reference, last year I made about $4k.)

>>9092386
not well enough to make up for the horrible conditions.

i think i made around 4k, which is almost identical to what i made last year at AX.

Anyone sell simple hand made/sewn cute or nerdy type clothes at AA? How well do they generally sell and what sizes sell best? I'm thinking of bringing a few skirts that are also adjustable

How well did you gulls do at your first con? I did my first con recently and only managed to make a couple of hundred dollars. I lost a lot of money so I'm thinking twice about doing my next con. Other gulls seem to do successful first cons. Is it okay to not do well at your first con? Should I just give up doing cons?

>>9092437
Really depends on your merch and what kind of cons you go to.
Plus, never give up just because the first time went bad. This applies to everything.

>>9092407
That makes being stuck in the dungeon worth it

>>9092437
I lost money as well, like around $400. I still have stuff leftover so I'm going to try again to see how it goes and try fix the stuff that went badly last time.

>>9092407
>>9092408

What kind of things did you sell anon?

>>9092437
At my first con, I only made a few hundred. It was a pretty small con and it was better than I thought I would do, but I learned a lot and the experience itself was pretty valuable.

>>9092437
what kind of con was it and what kind of art do you do (style, fanart vs original, etc) ?
remember there are a hundred different factors that influence whether or not someone buys something at a con and you control like 3 of them (having the merchandise at the con, the subject of and the quality of your art)

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Whining or legitimate gripes? I'm on the fence because I've never experienced these problems but they sound pretty serious.

>>9092492
I had prints, acrylic charms, standees, and body pillows. I had mostly prints and a couple of charms last year, so diversifying merch did help a bit! The bulk of my sales were still posters though. I do $15 per print, buy two get one free and most people would spend at least $30 at my table and just take three posters.

For me, Voltron, OPM, and My Hero Academia were the best sellers. My Overwatch print did decent, but not as well as I expected - the market was kind of oversaturated for that.

>>9092437
Not a lot of people make bank at their first con! In fact, breaking even is generally the goal you should set for yourself for your first event. At my first con 6 years ago, I made maybe like... $10 profit after costs. Now I'm pulling in $5~6k regularly at most cons. If you post examples of your art or table perhaps we can give advice on how to improve!

>>9092525
I know a few artists who experienced rudeness from/have been fucked over by AN, so while I don't have firsthand experience, the fact that so many people from different circles are complaining means that something is probably wrong.

Anyone else getting sick of people losing their shit when a dark skinned character isn't drawn in the exact shade the official art has?

Nobody gives a shit when a white character is drawn with varying shades of white, or so red it looks like a horrible sunburn.

>>9092525
I don't know anything about this group, but I can say that the one year I did table at AN years ago, staff was was rude enough that I felt no desire to return. Profits were only okay (if they were really phenomenal I might have considered putting up with the staff but it wasn't worth it to me).

>>9092808
do you have examples?
ive only seen some shit recently cause Reaper from Overwatch being drawn as white when rly he should just be an ashy-er brown
like 9/10 times, its people who just have shitty color sense/picking skills rather than people who are like 'i bet this character would look nicer lighter skinned!'

>>9092808
Depends on how off-model we're talking. Racist rants aside, characters have particular color palettes and it looks weird to change one color drastically.

>>9092492
i sold three sizes of prints with a buy-two-get-one-free deal, charms, buttons and pouches.

i pretty much sold out of charms, but the profit margin is a lot smaller than my prints which didn't sell nearly as well. it was a little weird considering my prints were my top seller last year at the same con.

>>9092815
It was some overwatch stuff as well and yeah the thing that annoys me is the assumption that the intent was malicious and the artist a horrible racist rather then just shit at picking colours

>>9092824
I agree with that, but it's silly to see stuff similair to the whole Korra debate happen. I remember one artist getting a lot of shit a few years ago because people didn't understand the concept of lighting

>>9092843
That happens with Dragon Age fandom a lot. Like they get all butthurt if you draw Sera from Inquisition as white when she's like two shades darker in like two pieces of concept art cuz of lighting and white in the game. But they also think it's ok to make Vivienne, a black character, even darker than she is in the game for some reason. Luckily most people i sell DA art too are casuals and not the srsbizniz people on tumblr.

>>9092885
Man I've seen so much art of characters with tan skin getting colored as black as the night which is supposedly prefectly fine

>>9092437
My first con (a one day con) I made lost money since I made the terrible mistake of letting a friend table with me, and that friend let some stranger behind the table who stole almost $100.

That was 2011. I went to the same con again in 2013, 2014, and 2015. From those years, I made: $90, $380, $503. Thats from a one day con. I'm also a crafter btw, so my number are sorta low simply because I use to keep a low inventory.

>>9092386
AX seems to always be hit or miss depending on your table spot. I can imagine that if you had one behind a pillar you were basically fucked.

I made about 7k last year and 14k this year, i have no idea how that happened. I guess i had an middling-okay spot last year, and maybe this year i had a really good one??

>>9092437
Not too well haha! I had like 4 prints, a few stickers, and a handful of buttons. I was lucky enough that I kept my costs down by sharing with a more experienced friend, plus Fanime is local for me. Don't worry about not doing to well your first time, you'll pick up experience and exposure, and continue adding to your inventory as time goes on.

Spent $600 in AA this AX

ugh the heat and crowds nearly got to me a few times though, also the lack of water down there

>>9092437
My first time I split with a friend because she got the table for free and I made a grand total of $3. That was mostly due to the fact that I had shitty wallgreens 4x6 prints that were 99% originals. The only prints that sold was a really bad digital original and one of Kermit the frog throwing up

>>9093274
I didn't get that table for free, go to bed
It was the one after

>>9092526
My overwatch print did stupidly well when it first came out, and I was one of the only artists in the alley that had it. Now you can find it at every table though, and it just gets stretched thin unfortunately.

>>9093274
do you... still have a picture of the kermit?

>>9093307
>>9092526
It is so good if you manage to be the 'first'. past con I went to do I was the ONLY artist with any Overwatch merch/prints whatsoever. I stocked up for the year and sold out entirely at that one con. Next con i'm going to i've snooped around the other artists and it seems like everyone has at least a print.
(i feel like having a generic tracer or widow print is the trademark of people who don't play or care about the game but want in on the fan money)

>>9093274
What's wrong with walgreens prints haha. Their 4x7 prints are pretty good quality imo.

how do you deal with guys that try to commission weird stuff from you? i told him that i wouldnt do it but i still felt gross after because he even asked me
i was thinking of putting up an "only female" commission sign but im not sure what people would think of that...

>>9093542
Reframe it as something else. "Only female" sounds weird. Tell people when they ask you that you're bad at drawing x thing you get grossed out by.
Alternatively, was it NSFW? You could just write "no NSFW" on the sign and just deal with the fact you won't get people's yuri money.

>>9093545
yeah it was a butt and penis or something, gross and nsfw i think, i am okay with breasts though which some people consider nsfw, ugh dont wanna lose out on money but dont wanna feel so icky inside
hard too because im fine with genderfluid and dont want to excluse other genders, just not comfortable with regular males

Are Walgreens prints really that shitty? Apparently many etsy artists I buy from use Walgreens and people never comment on that. What printing company do you recommend for a 4x6 then?

>>9093510
>>9093551
I think they meant their art, not the quality of the print.

>>9093550
Just say you don't have any experience drawing x and that your slots are full atm. They'll just go seek out another artist who is available atm.

>>9093542
>female only commissioners
I think that's fucking stupid and you need to grow balls and tell people what you are and aren't comfortable with drawing. Get over yourself.

>>9093551
They vary by location. Do rest runs first

>>9093550
Yeah just say your slots are full or you're not comfortable/good at drawing genitals.

>>9093559
>>9093582
the problem was they even showed me examples in a binder and it would have been easy to draw since it was so simple so they would have known i was lying if i said i was unable to draw and i dont like to lie

>>9093562
i know "female only" is bad because im okay with genderfluid and mtf and other genders also but hard to put all that on my signs

im worried because i talke to the girls at the table next to mine and they said people like that are at every con asking for the same lewd stuff ~_~

>>9093599
Just write 'no cis males' if you're too anxious to tell people what you can or can't draw for them. Sure it'll make you sound like tumblr plague, but it seems you're close enough to being one already so...

>>9093599
Yeah, I imagine every area has at least one of those gross otakus with the inane commission requests. They're usually willing to pay a lot of money to anyone who will draw their shit, but it's understandable if you turn it down.

Just a simple "No, sorry, I don't want to draw that" should be good enough for them.

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>>9093599
>>9093550
you're talking about fucking dickbutt lmaoooo

im pretty sure the guy who goes around AAs getting dickbutt comms goes on cgl too

>>9093599
What specifically are folks requesting that you draw that you're uncomfortable with? Like is it: nudity, gratuitous pin-ups, sexual content, specific fetish stuff (feet, inflation, transformation, diapers, hypno, etc)?

>>9093616
im fine with cute or sfw commisions from cis males though
maybe ill have a friend help me in my booth next time to explain this to people ~_~

>>9093619
yeah it seems like that is the only solution without seeming tumblr, ill have my friend do that at my booth
i just wish the con would ban gross guys like that cause im sure other tables are grossed out too

>>9093621
ya thats the pic, could you please delete it or your post? it makes me really uncomfortable
why would a guy like that come here to cgl this is a sfw board ~_~

>>9093641
this is an 18+ website though
and its a fucking meme

>>9093599
Well if you don't like to lie, just politely refuse. That's all you have to do if you don't want to do the commission and don't want to lie to get out of it.

>>9093641
Go cleanse yourself of your SJW thoughts and fuck off

If you can't handle the dickbutt meme you shouldn't be allowed to be online

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>>9093641
It's...it's called a joke, anon. It's literally a little comedy weenie-man with another comedy weenie coming out of his butt.
...gr8 b8 we all fell for it

>>9093641
i'm sympathetic but its really not that hard to just refuse a commission because it makes you uncomfortable. and it's also like...barely nsfw. its just a extremely childish scribble. its not like someones asking you to draw extreme fetish porn.

>>9093662
>>9093667
this is a sfw board, you cant post penis or genitalia here, its not allowed even if its a meme, if you want to post stuff like that or do comms like that YOU can go elsewhere

>>9093666
i did tell him that i dont want to do it, but guys like that are so gross and creep me out and make me feel icky
cant we ban him and guys like him from cons? the con isnt 18+
cons are supposed to be sfw unless its a yaoicon or something
if we can just ban people like that then no one need to feel uncomfortable in an artist alley again

>>9093641
>>9093621
HAHAHAHAHA are you fucking serious? are you 12??? It hardly looks like a penis. I can understand being uncomfortable around guys and having a sense of caution around strangers, but really?? Go to a life drawing class. You'll get a laugh.

Is this entire conversation bait? What the hell is happening to these threads? Are people really so young here they don't recognize dickbutt

Just fucking say you don't want to do any r18 or nudity oriented art commissions you dumb weenie

>>9093687
there's no way this person isn't trolling.

>>9093687
If it's bait then it's good bait, because I fell for it.

>>9093678
>if we can just ban people like that then no one need to feel uncomfortable in an artist alley again
Look kid, I'm the one up there agreeing that cons have shitty otakus with shitty fetishes.
The problem with banning them is that it's hard to enforce. You can't just kick out anyone who looks creepy. Even "they asked me to draw something gross" isn't a good enough reason. You can only get someone kicked out if they do something actually harmful and even then, it's on a case-by-case basis.

Your best bet is to table with friends that are fine handling commission requests for you. By this I mean like.. your friend knows what you're capable of and okay with, they negotiate with the people, and just tell you "hey draw this" after approving something. You can even have this friend only handle requests from cis dudes, since it bothers you that much.

>>9093675
>>9093676
>>9093685
>>9093687
its not bait, i hoped you guys would understand and thankyou for the few that did
ill leave this thread now, ill just bring a friend as a helper to screen all my comms first
thankyou again the few that understood and tried to help me though

>>9093678
Sorry I didn't mean to be mean. I know how it feels when creepy people are pushy but the best way is to be firm with people like that. Or stick to doing cutesy chibi commissions only at cons.

>>9093562
but muh safe space!

>>9093692
The only practical deterrent I could see would be to ban all NSFW commissions. But with many AA's still permitting NSFW art to be sold, it probably wouldn't work at all. Plus it wouldn't help against the folks with non-sexually explicit but still fetish-y requests. (The sort of real oddball shit like some character obese and wearing baby clothes while transforming into a giant sweaty praying mantis. It's *technically* SFW, but it's still skeevy as heck.)

I guess this leads into a related question I'm curious about:
> Do you sell NSFW art?
> How well does it sell?

I remember years ago I remember many tables having the "18+ ONLY" binders of assorted yaoi and/or titty prints, but now it seems like a rare occurrence these days.

>>9093708
Eh, banning NSFW commissions would be tricky because the con staff generally don't see those. You would only be able to ban NSFW art from being displayed (ie. even censored wouldn't be allowed), I'd think. You can still get by that though. We might end up with some kind of under-the-table tiddy art black market.

>>9093714
>under-the-table tiddy art black market.
I laughed hard at this even though I shouldnt have

>>9093708
we just need to make all cons 21+

>>9093762
Uh, no thanks hun, then most of my customers will be gone. Some of us rely upon the 16-22 year old age range for our sales at cons and not 26-40 year olds.

I feel like people are undercharging for their acrylic charms. My 2-3 inch charms are all $12 because I need to make at least 3x my cost. I don't understand how people can charge $5 for 1-2 inch charms and $8 for 2-3 inch charms! Even if you get them made for cheap in China, shipping is expensive. Am I overcharging??

>>9093885
Seems fair, do you have any pics? Also some people do bulk group orders to keep manufacturing and shipping costs much lower.

$12 seems a bit too much for me - I've seen them priced for $9-10 though I understand that you'd want to maximize your profit.

But yeesh, anything under $9 makes me cringe. Especially if they got the charms for cheap through a group order, sell them for the market price and make a nice profit dammit.

>>9092386
I made 2.3k (which is a lot for me) but seeing these other anons numbers makes me a little less impressed with myself haha. I at least made a pretty decent profit after costs so Im happy.
This was also my first AX AA

>>9093903
Anything under $10 makes me cringe. Many people charge $12 for 2-3" charms. Some lesser known artists think they HAVE to charge less than other artists, but that is not a good idea. Charge the market price, please.

>>9093687
the table next to me at AX refused the dickbutt commission but I was happy to oblige

>>9093885
this frustrates me so much because there are a group of amateur/young chinese artists who get a bunch of their AA stuff from alibaba and act like its a Super Secret Resource and price stuff SUPER cheaply/belong the con average, and then act smug if asked about their prices.
like... why act proud for making a $1-2 profit and make other artists look like they're overcharging

>>9093925
Go back to where you belong
>>>/pol/
We all aren't Trump supporter protectionists here

>>9093925
This just hurts everybody. Why act so proud about how little they are making?? We are doing this to earn an income. This is so frustrating. I honestly think $12 is very fair for a 3-inch charm. This not only includes your printing costs, but the time you put in to drawing the design and assemsbling the charms, s&h, etc. Maybe it is too much for a 2-inch charm, but $12 is more than fair for 3-in.

>>9093933
??

>>9093937
complaining about chinese and china like trump

>>9093885
I haven't sold them yet but my 2.5" charms cost around $2 including shipping. So $8 seems pretty reasonable to me. Honestly, I usually just price my stuff at whatever the market price is, with some combo discounts if I have wiggle room for that.

>>9093953
They weren't complaining about the "from China" aspect, they were complaining about the people who use Chinese services and act like it's a secret club

>>9093958
ah my bad for misunderstanding, just from my area people post this stuff on facebook all the time and I didnt wanna see it here as well.

>>9093955
Isn't $10-12 the norm for anything bigger than 2"?

>>9093958
And making it look like other artists were overcharging.

>>9093955
If you do a small run for any reason (not everyone can print large qty), it's considerably more expensive.

>>9093961
It depends on the area, I think? I've seen prices all over the place.

>>9093965
That too.

It's an all-around cunty move.

>>9093977
I only ordered 10. They were single-sided non transparent though.

>>9093979
The prices are everywhere. I could be wrong, but they seem to be cheaper in the ca region.

>>9093916
This is what I'm most worried about. I'm selling at my first AA next weekend and I think my prices are pretty fair but I got some people with wildly varying prices when I asked on Facebook. One guy was charging $10 for 11x17 prints while someone else was charging $20. I've decided to sell mine for $15 (I'm debating about doing by 2 get 1 free because a lot of people keep saying that deals help). I'm just not too sure.

>>9093985
One time I ordered 2 double-sided transparent and they were 22 usd with shipping. It was a matching friendship thing I did for a friend so it was all good, but if I made it to sell it, I would have cried lol.

>>9093955
I should clarify that my charms are 3in, transparent, double-sided. I usually embellish my charms and usually order no more than 20-30 charms at once. I think $12 is very fair but now I am not so sure. The prices are just everywhere.

>>9093989
Yes, I'm just not too sure about my prices either. I just say screw it and charge the higher end if I see a lot of different price points. It's a bad business move I'm sure, but people will buy it if they like it. This could be why I don't do very well at cons but I also don't want ti undercharge if I can.

>>9093996
Yeah, $12 sounds very fair in that case. The prices are indeed all over the place. Recently, I've found that print prices were also all over the place as well like >>9093989 said. I think it has to do with people discovering alternative (and cheaper) production methods, as well as people spreading more interstately/internationally.

Since people are talking about charm pricing I guess I'll throw this in here for some feedback! What would be a fair and socially acceptable price for blindboxed charms ranging from 1.25" to 2.25"? (Clear/doublesided). I've got a buttload of Pokemon designs and I wanted to create something fancy and fun with a rarity chart and shinies and etc. to really invoke that sort of random encounter collecting feel the games have.


Being a manufacturer I'm obviously in a position where my costs are uh.. dirt cheap with no limitations whatsoever. I don't want to undercut other artists by any means, but I don't want it to be too cost prohibitive for people get a variety and thought blindboxes might be a fun and fair way to do that.

>>9094065
I love the idea! I want to say $10 is fair, but for smaller charms, it does seem a bit pricey.

>>9094077
>>9094065
I think the base price should be $10 and then you could just give people a super steep deal when they buy more than one.

>>9093933
lmao i'm chinese too anon. i pointed it that THEY are chinese because theres this dumb attitude of 'only chinese ppl know about chinese resources' like the internet doesn't exist, which specifically annoys me...b ut yeah it was more about how just because you can get charms for cheaper than western manufacturers doesn't mean you should be proud about lowering the market value...

>>9093936
i know! this is so frustrating. Like why be proud of being the 'cheapest' artist there. You might be selling a lot of stuff to kids with a fistful of coins and dollar notes but the artist next door made the same amount of money selling only 2-3 of the same item.

>>9094065
6-8? and offer discounts if you buy a bunch like 5 for $20 or something.
i'm a huge sucker for mystery stuff though so please do this!! would people be able to order these alongside charm orders or do you have an online shop?

>>9094077
Oop I guess I should mention that the larger charms would be a lot rarer, 3rd stage evos/legendaries etc. Probably like 1/25 chance if not less. Most will be about 1.5"! I don't want people to feel like they get less than what they pay for because then there's that whole potential "this counts as gambling" problem.

>>9094082
I'm glad you like the idea! It's something I've been wanting to do for a while now. I think they have more appeal in person since you can share the surprise with friends and trade, but if people are interested in ordering them online I can put them up there too once everything's ready. My online shop has been pretty cleaned out and dead for a while but I'm hoping to launch it again soon. As much as I love printing everybody's charms I'm really itching to work on my own stuff again once con season dies down haha.

>>9094088
I see! In that case, I think $8 would be good. Make the larger ones quite rare, though. Like 1 out of 10!

What's the max amount of charms you'd order at once? I'm doing my first AA soon so I have no stock to start out with obviously, I'm aiming to have about 20 different designs total but I don't want to bombard a manufacturer with an order of 100+ charms. Should I split it up between different companies or are they totally used to orders this size?

>>9094129
orders of thousands of charms is not exactly uncommon. many companies and business use charm/acrylic printing manufacturers too. it's totally fine.

>>9094132
thank-you for that quick reply! I was just looking at the options that Zap! offers and realized 100 is actually of the smaller numbers.

>>9094135
Different anon, but how has Zap! been as of late? Around this time last year nobody wanted to use it but I've been seeing the name pop up a lot again.

>>9094137
I'm afraid I'm not sure, but I recently bought some charms from someone that used Zap and I really liked the frosted acrylic option so that's my main reason for looking into them.

>>9093641
>i just wish the con would ban gross guys like that cause im sure other tables are grossed out too
actually we should ban fucking tumblr retards like you
i don't even know if you're baiting or not but holy shit here's your (you)

also kil self pls

>>9094310
as if you yourself would do that commission

>>9094310
A little late to the party there, friendo.

>>9094353
unless they're asking for hyperrealistic version of dickbutt...why refuse? do you hate money or do you only accept the most refined characters when you take on commissions?

>>9094353
A lot of people have... they have a giant collection. It's probably one of the easiest commissons you'll ever get desu.

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>>9094353
not them but I did a dickbutt for them at AX, and they said they had thousands already so a lot of people are pretty ok with it.
its all in good fun man

>>9094383
I love this! and yeah, I can't see why you'd ever refuse a commission this simple/funny

Has anyone done Anime Impulse and is it worth it? Im thinking about it, but it seems like a weird little 2 day event more than a con?
They want $160 for a table which seems high for that kind of thing

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>>9094374
>>9094380
>>9094389
nice attempt at damage control creep

>>9094383
please dont, why would you want to encourage creeps like them?

>>9094414
/cgl/ is 18+, pls go home.

But stay in the alley; I'm not gonna complain about having less actual competition because men are /triggering/.

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>>9094414
they werent creepy? they just enjoy silly memes
i know its bait at this point but dang

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>>9094414
hmm
also
you're embarrassing, who is honestly this pathetic about someone trying to give you money to crudely draw featureless butt and penis
just leave the AA thread and go cry about it to your kindergarten class

>>9094414
are you really this stupid? dickbutt is a joke. get over yourself. it's not even close to smut. i'm calling bait on this because nobody can be this ridiculous

>>9094407
I'm a local and I hated it last year. If you're local, you'll make a small profit but it's not worth the hassle. The hours are very long, there is basically 0 AA staff presence, and they have live performances in the same hall all day. Last year, several artists had persistent headaches from them blasting club music for like 10 hours straight. Most of the people who show up are normies who're there for the As Am Expo. People are there to spend money on food trucks, not con stuff. It's a colossal waste of time for profit in the low hundreds.

I'm not doing it again until they have had a couple of years to figure shit out. They raised prices this year without consulting artists or asking us for feedback at all so I don't trust their AA head to have fixed these issues for this year.

(Also! I think I traded with you at AX? Thanks for the Kuragehime print!)

>>9094449
Oh man thank you for telling me, I live in san diego so it would have been much more effort than its worth, glad I didnt buy the table.
I'll just try anime california this year and see how that pans out
(that sounds about right! im not sure which artist you are but thank you for trading with me as well! :> hope your AX went well for you)

>>9094460
I have mixed feelings about AC - if you can get off the waitlist, I highly recommend Sacanime instead. But at least AC is better than Anime Impulse. It's just a slow con in general and I'm worried about it moving to Sac weekend and to a bigger venue in the same year. I hope you do well!

>>9094460
Have you tried looking into NerdCon? I'm also a San Diego native, and I'm thinking of selling there. Plus, I know they still have some spaces available. (One note I'm not sure on, I registered as a vendor a while back and got a discount code that cuts my rate in half for the weekend. If they aren't still giving those out it can be around $300+ for a space + table rental for the weekend.)

>>9094462
What kinda hangups do you have about AC? My biggest gripe is it's Labor Day weekend (an expensive weekend for travel) and it's up against some pretty popular cons. PMX had that issue last year, and I'm still shocked I did relatively well. But otherwise, what have you experienced with AC?

>>9094469
>>9094462

Wait. Durrr, I see what you were saying. I thought you were talking about Impulse. Sorry!

>>9094383
f-fuck that's so cute

>>9094416
/cgl/ is a blue worksafe board

>>9094417
not sure what's silly about harassing women

>>9094418
you make it sound like i should be HAPPY that a creepy guy is trying to make me draw lewd things

>>9094419
im not stupid, maybe your the joke here, think about how this affects the rest of us and how it encourages more lewd men to go to artist alley instead of dealers for their lewd fetishes

stop responding to the troll, guys. Just don't fuckin do it

New topic: Have you guys seen any different or unique "sales" tactics or strategies? These could be things like sales, booth setups, etc.

My friend got gacha machines for her booth. You pay x amount and she'll give you a special coin that you can put in to get a random charm/pin. It was super fun!

anndddd confirmed bait
please don't feed this guy anymore (You)'s, let us continue with AA thread discussion per the norm.

>>9094510
my friends and i want to do the gacha thing, but i can't fathom packing one of those machines in my luggage. i personally have a huge weakness for gachapon though so i'm sure it would work on a lot of congoers too

>>9094510
I saw an artist who offered people who bought an eevee sticker on day 1 their choice of an eeveelution sticker on day 2. it was a cute idea and quite a few of the people who returned for the free extra sticker seemed to make additional purchases.

>>9094517
Smart idea, probably would have worked even better in an AA that wasn't brutal to navigate in.

>>9094463
I just checked their site
they are asking quite a lot for a space
I think i'll sit that one out and see how others do, also I dont like the idea of being side by side with standard vendors. It's hard to justify artist alley pricing when you're competing with official mass produced merch

>>9094516
Yeah, I think she only managed it because she drove. Sounds like it'd be good for local events

>>9093802
>hun

Don't do that. Anyway, you're right. The younger annoying kiddos are more impulsive and their money can usually go to our crap rather than bills, rent etc.

What cons is everyone scheduled up for through the end of this year and into next? I always wish they'd get through review process faster so I can get my hotel in order faster.

>>9094511
I'm pretty sure it's not even the anon from before, it's just some bored kid trying to feed off old shit.
They type in a completely different tone.

>>9094522
It really struck me as weird that they grew so quickly. I sold at their event last year, when it was a first year, one day convention. It was pretty reasonable (about $115 for space + table + WiFi) and I easily made that back and then some. This year they went for a full weekend and are renting out the entire space (likely due to the fact it was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too crowded last year. It was both good and bad when you consider it was a first year con), so it seems like everything is much pricier. If you're interested for future years, sign up as a vendor when the 2017 site goes up, and they might do the discount deal again.

>>9094542
Who cares either way? Feeding real ignorance or regular trolls is the same thing either way. In the end, they're both people not worth your time at all. The ignorant choose not to learn and grow while the trolls choose just to frustrate and disrupt honest productive discussion.

did anyone that tabled at AA at AX use square or paypal? how was the cell signal down there?
need to know for next year if it's possible to process payment there

>>9094539
AWA and AUSA are my last two anime cons for 2016!

I'm also doing FlameCon, which is an LGBT con.. I'm just a teensy bit nervous because I'm trying to figure out my stock/marketing strategy, and it's a little bit different from the usual anime con stock and setup that I'm used to.

>>9094562
i did square payments no problem with mobile data or wifi. the artist alley had its own wifi which was complementary for artists and helpers, separate from vendors and other con related wifi

>>9094539
anime california and next years AX
going to try for ALA, hanadoki, anime conji whenever the reg goes up

>>9094584
How's Hanadoki? I was interested since I'm nearby but I've literally never heard of it before.

>>9094586
its like what anime conji was before the AX staff took it over. Small comfy convention, the only problem being the table sizing issues.
The first year tables were supposed be 8 feet, and the hotel supplied 6 foot tables, the second year it was the same 6 foot tables but you could only buy a half table. if not for that the con wouldve been great

>>9094539
I've just got a small one day festival.
I'll probably try pretty much the same cons as >>9094584
Though I'll probably register for Otakon Vegas, though that's more of just heading out to Vegas. Even if I do shitty, I still get to enjoy Vegas.

>>9094591
I remember what a pain this last year was. The only way you could get a full table was to upgrade to being a Vendor. I like the convention, but those tables were such a nuisance.

>>9094596
Right?
I understand them not wanting to push artists away but honestly I can understand not getting in a lot more than having an over abundance of 3 foot artist displays

wait sorry to bring this up again re: dickbutt but okay i've actually had someone ask for a really fucked up commission that i don't think they should be allowed to ask for?

It wasn't dick butt. First they asked if i like ghibli, then they asked if i like grave of the fireflies. then they asked if i would draw the brother and sister from grave of the fireflies, but the sister is dead and disemboweled, and the brother is having sex with her body and guts everywhere.

the dickbutt thing is stupid, but am i crazy to think just asking random artists (Some who may be under 18??) to draw this is fucked up? It's a bit far, isn't it? and on top of that they only wanted to pay $10 for it lol

>>9094607
Please end this troll now, we've already called you out on this bait.

>>9094609
No i'm not that person, i had this requested from me two otakons ago. You might even know who i am from this specific story cause i've told a bunch of friends about it too. My neighbor told me that couple goes around otakon every year asking to see how will do it v_v

>>9094607
>asking random artists to draw this is fucked up
Eh, at their point they feel like it's worth a shot. Most don't give much of a shit, they expect half the people they talk to to be horrified. Some of them get off on that.

>only wanted to pay $10
LMaaaooooo fuck no. You can possibly get an SFW sketch of 2 people for that price, no more.

>>9094539
September: AWA
October: Fang con, Rocket City NerdCon
November: Hama mini con
December: Yama con
2017
January: Kami con
February: seishun con
March: AnniCon

btw, what do you guys think about artists having a sign on their table with "Will donate 10% of proceeds to Red Cross to help [insert recent tragedy here] victims"? I feel its sorta lame. Feels like they are trying to use a tragedy to increase sales.

>>9094607
It's fucked up, but who the fuck cares. What people do with their money and what people do for money shouldn't matter to you.

>>9094618
yea the entire story is actually kind of funny because i was offering $10 sketches of dopey ass pokemon/animals only (kinda like omocat art?), but when i refused their commission of two necrophiliac incest child porn they were like "wait, not even for 10 whole dollars?"

in my fucking head "not for a god damn million dollars", out load "no, sorry ^_^;;;"

>>9094620
I don't know how I feel about percentages like that, wherein the charitable donation is marketed in such a way as to drive sales. I actually did do something recently where I had a charity item on my table, and for this very reason was very clear in that 100% of proceeds would go to the stated charity. That seemed fair to me, because even if people are buying that item only for the sake of making a donation, it's still all going to that charity either way.

On the other hand, it can be argued that the artist has just as much a right to make a profit off of their own work, and the fact that they're making a charitable contribution at all is something good.

>>9094353
its not hard to draw a penis with balls that are large enough to look like a butt

i'm not even an artist

>>9094623
I can understand why they tried, but they're still really stupid about the value of art. Very rarely does $10 commissions = any fucking thing you could ever think of drawing.

>>9094620
I wouldn't buy from them /just/ for the charity, mostly because I have no way of knowing if they're even telling the truth.
If I genuinely liked their stuff, I'd buy it anyway and they can use the profit to wipe their ass for all I care.

>>9094658
Related personal anecdote: Someone I'm very close to needs surgery for bilateral inguinal hernias. He designed a custom patch that he sells, with the proceeds going to help offset any expenses insurance won't cover. I told him I could take some of those patches, sell them at my table, and I would give him whatever proceeds they made. I don't count that as part of my overall table revenues, and I'm upfront that all the money I make from those patches goes to him.

But, yeah. If they're making a charitable contribution from sales of their art, then I guess there's not much wrong with that.

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>>9094383
haha that's great

>>9094510
I tabled at a small gaming con that was advertised as Family Friendly, so I made a few coloring sheets that I offered for free and bought two packs of cheap crayons. Since the tables were big, I had a coloring station and aside from just "This table has a free thing! Yay!" some parents browsed what I had while their kids colored and I made a few extra sales.

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>>9093694
Holy fucking shit you gotta be kidding me
THIS NIGGER IS SCARED OF DRAWING DICKBUTT
I'm screen capping all of this

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>>9093307
Sorry Senpai

>>9093343
Pic related

>>9093554
Yeah I meant my art, it was pretty poopy and still kinda is but I'm slowly improving

>>9094876
.......

>>9094876
if it makes you feel better its cracking me up

>>9094876
i'd proudly hang that kermit up on my wall.

>>9094876
i love this

>>9094876
10/10 would purchase

Hey gulls,

How do you guys do your taxes for online sales?

>>9094837
please post it I want to save it

>>9094607
>>9094495

Not even the same typing style as the original girl.
Nice.

hey fera, if you're still here, how does one go about ordering charms with the top layer printing (like the nge charms) ? and can it be done with colors other than white?
sry for the dumb questions ): just curious

>>9094876
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkRAY2W6pE
please tell me this is what that's from

How quickly do artist alley registrations fill up? I was hoping on registering for my first artist alley at like Anime California, ALA, Sacanime, etc but would they be too competitive?

>>9095420
Start small bit always apply as soon as possibly. If youre in that area AoD is a good first con.

>>9095420
depends entirely on the con, but as a general rule if it's at all possible for you (like if you won't be at work or whatever) then just apply as soon as you are physically able to avoid potential stress. decide well before applications open if you want to table at a certain con, don't procrastinate because you aren't sure.

>>9095379
She gave me a sample of full colored top printed charms at AX and I was hella impressed. Planning to design some charms around it.

>>9095425
AoD is bit too far for me for now but I'll keep it in mind, thank you.

>>9095433
I'm 99% set on tabling but I've heard stories from friends about how tables run out in seconds, which is making me worried. I'm already set for my sellers permit and planning merch but it'd be a real bummer if it all went to waste if I miss registration by a minute or something.

>>9095379
Working on a tutorial right now actually! Like >>9095437 said, I passed out a buttload of samples at AX and a whole additional a+white+b layer on top of the acrylic is also possible. Getting a tumblr post up this evening and planning to boost it on SPS tomorrow, I'll be available to answer any questions about it there or here.

Anybody going to be at Hoshicon next weekend?

>>9095030
It'd help if you gave us a location, anon, since taxes are different everywhere, and not everyone here is from the same country.

>>9095420
ALA and SacAnime fill up super quickly (Sac summer has long been filled up, waitlist included) although I think ALA does lottery or something now, or at least half-and-half

I'd say any con that's proven to turn a profit will sell out in minutes, if not seconds, even for smaller cons.

>>9095030
>>9095692
Ah you're right thank you for telling me. I am from NSW, Australia and was thinking of selling charms online.

For those who sell online, do things like prints and charms sell well for you on places like etsy? Or do those pretty much function only as convention items.
I'm having a decent time selling button sets on etsy and I'm not sure if its worth adding the rest of my convention stuff to my store or if I should just focus on the conventions themselves.

Saw a few people accepting venmo at AX and thought it was smart, but I've heard a lot of sketchy things about venmo and people somehow cancelling their transactions after sending. Does anyone have any experience with it?

>>9095719
I'm thinking of trying ALA for my first con; I'm assuming they don't since you said it was lottery, but do they look at portfolios? I don't have much in the way of prints atm and draw slower than a fuckin rock but I'm hoping to get some stuff together for the application if they do.

What is the best type of file for Vograce's clear acrylic double sided charms? Do they take PSD files? (if there are sections that are semi transparent)

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not artist alley but...has anyone done a tumblr giveaway? do they actually work, to gain followers/goodwill/whatever?

>>9096264
It's been a while since I've done ALA but I think part of it is FCFS and the other part is lottery. I think last year they announced the time/date for FCFS, which you could apply to, then after that if you missed FCFS or didn't get in, you could apply for lottery, which was open for a period of time. Then they'd draw the lottery (I don't know if they still do it physically, but usually they'd do it publicly and invite anyone in the area to come witness to prevent any corruption/etc.).

I'm not sure if quality factors into it, but they'd definitely weed out obvious bootleggers. It's not necessarily "quality" based judging-- they just check the lottery entries to make sure they're legit.

>>9092341

Otakon staffer here with a story about the artist alley. While most artists are domestic, this one year I met two female Japanese artists who got a table in the dealer's room. One was also dressed in gothic lolita, quite stylish.

Very much a minimalist setup, even less than what is show in the OP pic, as they only brought their art and sketches, and didn't have any props or equipment at all. I ended up jury-rigging some stands from their artist's supplies for them.

Anyway, had some fun chatting, and they showed me their art which was quite impressive. Almost hit on one of them, but stopped myself as they were at the con to work (and so was I), wouldn't have been a professional thing to do.

Apparently, they had a manga they'd drawn, and were working on a deal to get published. I wished them luck, and complimented them that they were professional quality, and hoped they would succeed.

The title of the manga they were working on was D. Gray-man.

>>9096435
Uh I'm assuming they were selling a doujin? D.Gray-man has been sterelized for about 10 years now.... There's no way they'd be selling a manga with the exact same title

>>9096441
Not the OP but "this one year" doesn't have to come off as "very recently"

>>9096441
there were Otakons 10+ years ago

>>9096446
I'm highly sceptical of the story since I doubt any one would go to some American con if they wanted to be published. DGM was published in shounen jump which would be constant hard work in japan.

>>9096441
>Uh I'm assuming they were selling a doujin? D.Gray-man has been sterelized for about 10 years now.... There's no way they'd be selling a manga with the exact same title
I've been working for Otakon for the past 20 years, so yes, it was that long ago. I still have a business card they gave me, can't figure out what I did with it though.

>>9096467
>I'm highly sceptical of the story since I doubt any one would go to some American con if they wanted to be published. DGM was published in shounen jump which would be constant hard work in japan.
That's what surprised me, I just assumed they were small-time artists, and then a few months later they got announced. Apparently the two of them somehow got bypassed by the "guest" system, but instead just heard about this American convention and paid their own way to come.

>>9096435
>D.Gray-man is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Katsura Hoshino. The series tells the story of a boy named Allen Walker, a member of an organization of Exorcists who make use of an ...Wikipedia

>they

Damn not even ten seconds on Google dude

>>9096541

She definitely had a partner with her at the time, they were tentatively planning to call themselves "Seeping Blood Studios". Dunno what happened to the other girl, they seemed pretty close at the time.

>>9096546
Still skeptical. Dgm was published in 2004 by shueisha, and because the company is so big and reputable, I highly doubt they'd just let one of their published artists go off and self-promote at an American con (if she even had the time... Pro mangakas for weeks serial series have a brutal schedule).

I'm also not seeing shiy floor this "seeping blood studio." Dgm is a popular series so I doubt the artist's history would go unpublished by the internet

>>9096412
I've done a giveaway with shipping actually prints/bookmarks/charms, and surprisingly, most of the followers you gain do actually stay. Not much boost in your public image though, or at least I didn't feel people thought of me much different before vs after.

>>9096553

Dunno how to prove it to you, unless I can find her business card buried in two decades worth of dusty Otakon crap.

One of the troubling possibilities that occurs to me is that a big commercial break-out with Shueisha is why the author didn't go through with the studio idea, and why she isn't with that friend/partner I met that day.

>>9096553

It sounds like this was before DGM got published though. I mean, Otakon has a good reputation so it's plausible that someone went trying to self promote, and then later got picked up by a publisher. Just because she was there with a friend doesn't necessarily discount the story. A lot of manga-ka draw doujinshi as a pair, but have their serialized work solo. She could have even just been a friend along for the trip, and unless they published anything under the name "seeping blood studio" it sounds like that's just what they were thinking of calling themselves.

If this was really that long ago, before DGM got published, I do still think it's plausible that there were doujin works that haven't made their way online. Her style has changed once already, who's to say the early work wouldn't be identifiable either?

I don't know if the story is true, but the plot holes aren't as big as y'all are making them out to be.

>>9096260
Thought venmo was meant only for "personal transactions" friends family etc - people you know=less risk. It stated its not meant for "merchant transactions" ~ people you don't know = reversal of funds, your loss, your problem.

>>9096218
With how easy it is to sell on etsy, there is no reason not to add your stuff. Just don't expect immediate sales.

>>9096260
I haven't heard about any problems with artists using it at artist alley so far, but there are numerous articles online of people getting scammed. The payer can cancel the transaction even though it says that the money is sent since it actually takes a while for the transaction to be finished.

So more or less, I'd be very careful with using it unless it's with someone with know.

>>9096675
I read that the real scam is it makes you think the money was sent - all transactions take awhile even a few days - so the fraud easily with venmo is it convinces you that you got the money when in fact it's just a "message" only that the money was sent in reality.

Sad case about the guy after doing a venmo transaction that the buyer than asks the guy to buy 5iphones sends him over 5k on venmo, but buys the iphones on his credit card and hands the lady the iphones, later no money in his acct. venmo reversal.

>>9096260
why the fuck would anyone take venmo when we have square now? Anyone asking you to do venmo instead of square is shadey imo. It's like asking you to paypal something as friends & family when it's a purchase. There's a fee for the purchase protection for a reason, if someone *insists* it be venmo or friends&family and they aren't your friend or family, be ware.

>>9097051
>why the fuck would anyone take venmo when we have square now?
I worry that I'll have to pay business taxes and stuff if I get a square, with venmo it looks like it's just family stuff

>>9097460
let's see.. sales tax vs. loss of sale due to a sale- reversal.

>you did a merchant sale? well that is against Terms.Of.Service... too bad.

>>9097460
Don't risk using Venmo, their customer service has constantly told people to not use it for merchant sales due to scammers.

Wouldn't most sales come from cash anyway? I've seen a handful of people be turned off from the added fees and instead come back after using the ATM.

>>9094510
Is your friend the same person who charges $40 for an anime print

>>9094516
you could try a lucky dip type thing that looks like a gacha machine? I saw quite a few in hong kong and it seemed to be pretty popular.

>>9097555
Not that I know of? I think she has wallscrolls that I think she might charge higher for, but I don't think she charges 40 for them.

How much is the norm for 4x6 prints? I charge $5 but like charms, the prices are kind of everywhere. I get mine printed very cheap but charge $5 to even out the rush shipping I have to do sometimes. I've seen $2-7 from various artists. Any thoughts?

>>9097681
Standard seems to be $3, 2 for $5

$5 is fine though. It's still small enough to be an impulse buy for a lot of people.

>>9097681
$5 is probably on the high end, though acceptable. Especially if they're actually postcard quality prints and not just photo prints from costco/walgreens/etc.

In addition to the common $3, 2 for $5, some people also do $5 for one, 3 for $10

what's the standard pricing in the US and Canada for doublesided 2-3" acrylic keychains with bells/charms on them?

It seems to bounce all over the place from $5-$12.

Does the deal $8 each or 2 for $15 sounds reasonable?

>>9097750
I never charge less than $10 for doublesided 2" charms, but i'm factoring in how long they take me to assemble and materials into the cost. This question keeps being asked and to be honest it's whatever you think people will pay.

>>9097750
idk about canada but in the US, double sided acrylic charms generally start around $10 for 1.5" (3 for $25) and can go up for 2"+ or multi peices. Usually around $12 of $15 if sufficiently complex.

$8 is actually way too cheap, it's the pricing when i first started double sided charms to see if people bought them. They will buy them at $10+ easily so don't undercut artists and undersell yourself.

>>9097750
My double-sided 2.5"+ charms without bells are $10-12.

>>9097684
>>9097749
Shit, mine are just photo prints and they are still $5. People still buy them without complaints though. Is it better if I reduce the price to $3??

>>9097749
Where can you get postcard quality prints online? I've tried printing myself and local print shops but it was either surprisingly low quality or too expensive to print.

My first few cons weren't so successful and I struggle with not having much online presence and next to 0 online sales. How many cons or how much time would you say is required to build up your brand and exposure? I am probably being impatient but my sales are not picking up at all. Very discouraging but I don't want to give up yet. For those of you who weren't successful right off the bet, did it pick up after some time?

>>9097989
You can post some of your stuff and we could give you some tips.
Some people succeed right away, others, it takes a lot of time and finding the right cons.

>>9097989
Are you using the same artist name on all your online platforms?

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For crafters, how much time do think you can spend on a single item and still be profitable? I've been thinking of selling papercut art, but each piece takes around 6 hours and the most I can see anyone paying is around 25-30. Pic is an example of my work.

>>9098141
i am super iffy about people selling 'transformed' but direct copies of another artist's work....

>>9098141
This is cool, but isn't it just a copy of official art?

>>9098145
>>9098148
Thats true, and I didnt really think of it because I only ever use official art.

Does anyone have good suggestions for spicing up Grab Bags? I'm a crafter, and I use them at my table for older pieces, or things with slight cosmetic issues (i.e. upside-down print, slightly crooked hardware. Nothing that affects their usability but things that make them look a bit 'eh') and I currently just use brown paper bags.

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>>9098167
If it fits your aesthetic, I use something like this, and put one of my buttons through the top to keep the bag shut. They get to pick their favorite button, so everyone knows they'll get at least one thing they like from the bag.

>>9097791
No. If a satisfactory amount of people are buying them without complaints then there's no reason to lower it. That is my motto *thumbs up*

>>9097800
Catprint and overnightprints do them, generally any site that lets you print on extra heavy card stock (something like 100-110lb+) and UV gloss will look like professional post cards. If they are just meant to be prints you can skip the UV coating too.

>>9093923
I almost did it but desu I was pretty lazy at AX but my table partner was visibly uncomfortable by the guy so I just let him go.

>>9098167
Washi tape, bags tied shut with a ribbon or lace, and stickers. I think paper bags are fine.

>>9097481
Depends on area/con. About half or over half of my sales last year at San Japan were by card.

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>>9094916
>>9094938
>>9094944
>>9094964
>>9094938
Thank you guys, I'm seriously considering taking this print out of retirement lol

>>9095393
My nigga, thats exactly where its from

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>>9098141
>>9098156
About half of my prints at my last con were papercut art, and I base them on my own sketches. They took anywhere from 3 hours to 8 hours. My style is different from yours, but you catch my drift, right?
Realistic traditional painters take a lot more time to do their work, price their things proportionally, and still get interest and sales. Painter anon from a couple threads ago got a lot of interested replies in that thread alone.
But I would suggest doing prints based on your own sketches. You can sell a higher volume, be able to correct your mistakes, and avoid copying others' work. You can sell your originals at a price proportional to the time you spent on it (25-30 is definitely lowballing yourself!!), but you'll also be giving people a cheaper option.

>>9098213
is your table partner the one who posted earlier in the thread about being uncomfortable?

>>9096412
>caring at all how many notes your art gets
Sometimes I get tens of thousands, sometimes I get just a couple hundred. It's completely fucking random.

I know far too many people that get caught up in that shit. my ex was OBSESSED with likes, followers, and notes.

>>9098470
>tens of thousands

I'm just glad when I get tens of likes :(

>>9098470
anon does your name start with T by any chance

>>9098470
Feverworm?

>>9098470
I usually get less than 20 notes on my Tumblr posts, but I still do well at cons so it doesn't bother me.

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>>9098539

>>9098583
just curious, fanart or original (or both)?
Either way that's a relief to hear as someone who has been wanting to table but was always worried I'd do badly since I'm not well known online.

>>9098497
That's missing the point! I'm a huge advocate of make art for you, fuck everyone else.
>>9098539
my name starts with a w and ends with an akkawa
>>9098565
Dipshit?
>>9098583
+1

Seriously though, I know a lot of people that have almost no online presence but do amazingly well selling prints online or at cons. My friend (at a previous studio), out of nowhere, became an overnight pop culture hit. He was like "Man, know what I want to do? I want to make old pulp fiction covers of shit I like" and so he made a couple western styled star wars posters (before disney bought them) and people went absolutely crazy for them. I had a little bit of experience selling my own posters online so he came to me for help. I told him to either sell them cheaper OR you can do limited print runs and sell them for a little bit more.

He went with the latter. Again, he had no online presence AT ALL but a couple big print sites featured his poster (he emailed them and asked... they liked his work). Then it got shared on reddit and he sold 200 prints over the weekend. Since then he has been known as that "pulp poster cover guy" and has gotten a shit ton of legit side work. He designed the 2013 coachella posters, some RedvsBlue work, did a poster for Pacific Rim, and so much more. He made easily $70,000+ in a year JUST from his poster sales. That's not counting his day job pay either (which I don't know how much he got paid but on average concept artists get paid $35/h)

meanwhile, I had at the time nearly 100k followers and subscribers on DA, cghub, tumblr, ect and I didn't sell shit. To be fair, I really don't care either. I just want to paint... that's literally all I care about.

Just do what you like and try to not let followers and likes get you down. If you build it... they will come.

>>9096412
in addition to what others have said...tumblr 'giveaways' (or any other social media giveaways) are not more likely to bring in sales or followers than simply having any other random post get popular. People will just reblog/share it because they want free shit, it doesn't matter what kind of shit it is.

http://tokusatsunetwork.com/2016/07/concerns-raised-artist-alley-conditions-anime-expo-2016/

I know people have already been harping on AX's AA being a tiny little mess but it's more fun when it's in article form.

>>9098646
Not the person you were asking originally but...

Everyone I know that goes to cons is one of three things. First, Fanart. Fanart is always going to do better than original art if you don't have a following. Even then your fanart needs to have a twist to it, like say "Disney Princess in Lolita!" Not only are you going to get the disney crowd, but the lolita lovers.

Second, is when a person fills a very niche market. Like if an artist does only paintings of historic 13th century english-saxon knights.

lastly, are your well known artists. People that have webcomics online, make original posters, other original art. The people that have millions of views on their sites.

If you fit into any of those categories you will have a much better time. If you're just a good artists making your own work you might sell a few things but most people will just pass you by thinking "Oh, that's neat. OH SHIT ARIEL AS A KAIJU BYE"

>>9098470
I get 10 max lol

>>9098707
While what you are saying is very true, a lot of artists who draw generic headshots of popular characters do amazingly well (some even have mediocre art) so I find it confusing how to better in terms of sales. The niche thing works only when you find a popular niche because if you go with too obscure stuff, noone is going to care. What I'm trying to say is that selling is hard and I still don't understand it...

>>9098206
Thanks, anon. My art is not that good but thankfully nobody has complained about the price so far. Maybe I can do a deal instead...

Does anyone know how to add another artist to share table with to Animefest in Tx? I tried emailing multiple times and tweeting but they never reply back.

Is there a general rule about leaving AA early? I don't mean a whole day early but say leaving at 12 on Sunday instead of staying until 3?

I'm looking to get set up with standardized sizing for my art and would like some input. I want to go with common frame sizes so definitely 8x10s and maybe 11x14, but can't decide on 4x6 or 5x7 for the small size. Thoughts?

>>9099434
read your contract. some don't allow it, some are flexible.

>>9099492
It doesn't say explicitly that you can't leave early but I'd rather not risk it. My table partner (ie my mom) is making a big stink about not being able to leave until 3:00 but, at this point, she'll just have to suck it up. Honestly would have way less headaches if I could just go by myself

>>9099507
I mean, as long as one of you is manning the table it should be fine if she wants to leave earlier?

>>9098959
I can see headshots being popular if the artist is one of those "sell shit for $5" kinda people. Also, you are completely right... selling shit is hard and I don't understand it at fucking all either. I don't make much fanart but when I go "man, I'm going to paint Samus and it's gonna be awesome" no one gives a fuck.

But then recently I shit out a painting of Jessie from pokemon I thought no one would care... but that shit went near-viral. It was on kotaku, reddit, 9gag, buzzfeed, everything.

There is one thing I have seen artists do successfully nearly EVERY time though. Postcards. You can get an insane amount of postcards printed for like.. $20. Get 5 or so different paintings and sell them for $1 each. People that like your art but don't want to shell out for the more expensive shit will easily drop $1 on a postcard. Again, my friend that does all the posters does this and he made $200 just from the postcards alone.

Another tactic I have seen artist use is to offer the postcards and signatures for free but have a tip jar. It works amazingly well.

>>9099516
okay but $200 is like nothing lmao. if you're doing postcard at least sell for $3-5, yikes.

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>>9095065
Sorry for taking so long

>>9099516
>>9099618
I'm selling my postcard prints for $5. Anything less would be offensive to not only myself but other artists. Like, please price your art fairly. You're really hurting yourself when you undercharge like that

>>9099516
$1 is reasonable for bookmarks, but for post cards, at least go 3. Not only are you undercutting other artists, you're cheating yourself out of money.

>>9098647
Hey you, you need to stream more

I've really been wanting to introduce enamel pins for my tables, but I'm having trouble finding anyone willing to share information about getting nice enamel pins made for a price that still allows for a profit on my end. Anyone willing to share tips or tricks?

>>9099664
what is happening everyone I know including myself sells bookmarks for $3 each and 3 for $5. I sell postcards for $6 and two for 10 and they do very well. The lowest I've see for postcards are $5. You are cutting your profits in half by pricing them so low.

>>9099659
Thanks for making it, better late than never.

>>9099434
I've never had any problems with leaving early. AWA is the only con that I have ever even seen mention needing to stay during the entire day.
I don't see why anyone would care if you leave just a few hours early honestly.

>>9099516
$1 is too cheap! $5 is cheap enough imo

>>9099618
He ran out. He had no idea they would be so popular. This was also the first comic con in SLC ever so demand was completely unknown.

200 postcards is a lot of postcards.
>>9099661
>>9099777
>>9099705
Postcards cost like.. .10c to make.

I sell my 11x17 prints for $20 each and 16x20 limited prints for $40. I will have a few framed display 24x36 prints for $150.

I honestly cannot imagine anyone charging more than $1 for postcards. I make all my own prints up to 16x20 and have the cost of production down to a science. Factored in the cost of the printer, the paper, the ink, my time, packaging, ect. I also use some insanely high quality paper that costs $4 a sheet for an 11x17.

To be fair, I suck shit at being a businessman. I have published 4 of my own artbooks and I sold them all at cost + shipping. I come from a very poor family(not even just "american poor" but legit no-running-water poor) and grew up on a farm. I just want people to see my art.

not to be obnoxious and just ask to be spoonfed sources (I can google well enough on my own) but curious for those who have done dakimakura for conventions or to sell online, where are you finding places to print in bulk and how is the quality? Are sales worth it?

(crossposted from the itabag thread...thought i might get more opinions here)

okay anons.....some advice please! i'd like to order some pins (the 1.75" ones) from arts moo. i've got my images in the template/designer thing, but i'm trying to figure out how much of the space outside the "safe zone" actually gets cut off?

i have circular images, which means that if i shrink them so that they fit into the safe zone, i get a white border around the image when i preview the finished button. so i guess my question is, how much of a bleed should i have outside what arts moo considers the safe zone? i don't want white borders on all my buttons because i didn't make the images stretch to the edge.

i guess tl;dr, arts moo's safe zone and buttons? personal experiences requested. thanks.

>>9096412
I've done one. I don't think it really did anything in terms of broadening my followers, but it gained more traction than I expected (I think it was like 600+notes?) and I felt really good after seeing the winner's post about it.

>tfw old homestuck art still brings in more followers than anything else

>>9099826
Okay but it costs me 50 cents per 11x17 print.

Postcards, lets pretend they cost 10 cents to make. That's 1/5 of what a 11x17 costs, at minimum that's $4, not $1.

When i used to sell post card size prints, they ate into my large print sales. Meaning people would but the smaller prints if given the chance to. I got rid of them and now people buy the posters only. The few sales i lost for not having a small print don't make up for the massive amount of sales i lost for offering them lol.

So yea, you are a bad businessman. Stop giving advice.

>>9099659
>anon thatg asked for the collage
thanks fampai

>>9099826
Well, it might take you 10 cents but it might take someone more than that. $1 just makes it look like other people are overcharging. Please don't do this. Some of us want to earn a living instard of just getting our work get seen.

>>9100159
Yea, I'm honestly not understanding how it costs them $4 for one 11x17 but 10 cents for a postcard. It costs me 50 cents or more for nice postcards since i don't print them enmasse like my prints, which cost basically the same. So i'm charging $20 for a 50 cent print but only $5 for a 50 postcard.

>>9099714
Thanks, anon! If she keeps making a big deal out of it, I'll just pack up early. There was nothing in the contract that specifically stated "artists must stay until designated time". I figured since it was only a few hours, that shouldn't be a big problem.

>>9100109
So, do you think it's better to have a lot of larger prints and no smaller ones available? My first AA is this weekend so I did a few larger and small prints just to have more variety but it's something to keep in mind for the future.

>>9100236
Honestly depends on your art? Generally, if you're above a certain skill level yes, not offering small ones will generate more profit. People who want a certain image enough will pay for it. I've not personally experienced otherwise, so i can't say for other people. I guess among my friends, i've never had a friend eliminate smaller prints and find they made less money.

>>9100270
Oh it's also way less of a pain to carry only one size. And you get less people with confusion over princes, thinking large prints cost the small print price etc. etc. Just over all much better experience.

>>9100270
>>9100271
Okay, I see. Thanks! It's probably good to mention that my large and small prints aren't the same designs. So, if someone really wants the print they have no choice but to buy the large one as that's the only size available. I didn't see the point in doing duplicates. My postcard prints are just the designs that I thought wouldn't look good at a bigger size.

I agree, if given the choice, of course people are going to go for the cheaper version.

Has anyone tabled at Anime Impulse and if so how was it? I got invited to table but haven't much about this convention. Thanks!

>>9100323
i got invited too and it doesnt sound worth it

>>9094407
>>9094449

>>9100275
FWIW i had the same situation, but a lot of people just want AN image from you, any image that fits their fandom/aesthetic so a small print fits the bill.

>>9100193
>So i'm charging $20 for a 50 cent print but only $5 for a 50 postcard.
Same. Personally, I do it because I myself like buying postcard sizes more so I offer it. Recently I've been thinking of discontinuing them though since I've heard people say that customers will buy the bigger one anyway if they like the print and it's the only size available.

Does anyone have any personal experience with Vograce's double sided transparent charms? I would like different patterns on both sides, but I'm afraid of it bleeding through.

>>9100359
I just got some double sided clear done, same design on each side tho. It would probably only show thru in the light? Sorry cant be more of a help, but I cant forsee it being a huge issue.

Is it better to keep postcard designs simple? I want to do something other than headshots but complex designs don't look that good. What are some ways to spice up a postcard?

>>9099828
There are a ton of companies on alibaba that do them, as well as la vache d'art. You can always ask the alibaba companies for a single sample piece. They will typically do a bunch of different sizes (dakimakura are usually 50 x 150 cm). You can see if they make throw pillows out of the same fabrics and order a smaller sample to check print quality and save money. I've never had a quality issue with any of the samples I've ordered from any of the bigger alibaba dakimakura companies. I will say that the artsvache dakimakura are made from a thinner, rougher fabric, and the print quality is not consistent AT ALL. They're also sewn differently, do not come individually packaged, and are more expensive.

I'm selling mine for $50 each, and it can be kind of hard to make a sale at that price, especially if it's more of a gag gift. I also do mini dakimakura phone straps and bookmarks of the same art to provide things at different price points. I won't get into my exact unit costs but if you can find a place that will print a single sided, 50 x 150 cm, peach skin dakimakura for under $15 ea you're doing good.

>>9100613
Oh, also, artsmoo dakis have a overlapping fold on the bottom, whereas most alibaba vendors do a nice invisible zipper.

>>9099675
I don't have any company recommendations, but make sure you check the rules of the convention regarding manufactured items in Artist Alleys. Some conventions will require you to get a room in the Dealer's Hall rather than the Artist Alley. (Which I think is stupid since people don't usually print their own prints or make their own buttons, but hey.)

>>9100271
>>9100275
I carry multiple sizes of everything. I have a sign that advertises it but people don't read, so usually I just say out loud how much they cost as the large, if they seem :/// and hemming and hawing about not sure if they can afford it then I pitch the smaller size. It's helped me make quite a few sales!

My art is also like... upper-mid level, so you would probably be fine if you are in a higher tier than me to not do it.

>>9100193
It's not $4 for an 11x17 print. It's just $4 for the god damn paper. I had to buy a $5000 printer first that uses a 8 inks that cost $50 each.

I get my own postcards when I visit mexico city. There is a print and camera district where you can get everything extremely cheap. Like, a 20x30 print is about $60~ pesos($5~ and a professional frame is $140~ pesos($10~ USD). You can get an infinite amount of postcards and business cards for less than $10~ USD.

$1 is not "too little" for a postcard. Again, I have friends that give that shit away for free. Then again, we are able to charge $75/h for our illustration work so con's are completely side jobs.

I will not feel bad for charging EA an insane amount of money for my work but when it comes to everyday people.... yea...

>>9100763
lololol

I just checked current exchange rates and holy shit. The first time I went to DF $1USD was worth $12.5MXN... right now $1USD = $18.5MXN

That must have been one bad year for mexico.

>>9100775
Bad year for everyone but the US and Japan it seems. CAD has recovered a bit, but the exchange rate is still pretty shit.

>>9100763
also if anyone is wondering about getting a nice size printer to make your own high quality prints

The epson p8000 is pretty great. When I bought mine it was just under $4000 after tax but I also got a warranty and a set of extra carts so it came to about $5000 total (at the time).

You can get one now from pictureline on sale for $3400... or you can get the p7000 for $2600. I got the 8000 because it's capable of ultra-wide prints and while it's totally not REALLY worth it, I fucking love massive sized prints. I don't do them often because holy shit they are expensive but when you have a 40x60 print on your wall... it looks fucking tight.

http://www.pictureline.com/products/epson-surecolor-p8000-printer-standard-edition

>>9100785
NZ dollar also tanked pretty hard from what I can tell.

I bought a yiynova msp19ru+ from a NZ guy I met on facebook for only $250USD. Shipping wasn't that bad either, only $25USD and it got to me in 4 days (I live in midwest US, Indiana).

They are like $450+$30shipping on amazon. I was saving up to get a cintiq but the msp19ru is easily just as good and I got it for literally 1/8th of the price.

My days of buying expensive as shit printers have long been over but I'm ok with that. I did a set of 4 illustrations for a japanese GAMESOFT game that paid for that printer. ($1600 an ill).

I have my computer, my painting display, and a printer. That's all I need in life.

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So I've only recently started taking my art seriously and it would be really nice to get any critique. This is lineart for a Haikyuu!! sticker sheet idea I've been working on.

>>9100808

Oops sorry for huge ass file.

>>9100808
>>9100809
First suggestion, never post your full-sized files anywhere, ever. It makes it much easier for other people to use your assets without crediting you.

>>9100763
How can you post all that and still not realize how oblivious you sound? You are literally proving them point that people source and pay for things differently, so it's very easy to imagine postcards sell for more than $1 unless you are literally unable to comprehend the different experiences being posted here.

>>9100813
Yup, I posted the wrong file and forgot I could delete it and now it's too late. O well.

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>>9100808
Your lines are very messy. They're constantly at different widths which makes it look bumpy and unfinished. Looks like you're using the eraser to thin them out. You should be confident in your lines before you start working on things to sell. Look up tutorials on lineart weight to learn what's appropriate. http://nsio.deviantart.com/art/Nsio-explains-Line-Dynamics-411098876 is a random one I found but there's a lot more to look at from just searching.
Also I would say the fullbody pictures aren't suitable for stickers. The style makes them somehow appear lanky and bulky at the same time. I made an edit to show how your style could possibly work but I know chibi isn't for everyone. It's just that your anatomy as of now is very bloblike and there's no style. They could look a lot nicer coloured perhaps but the lines need to be strong to support that.

>>9100895
>>9100808
Well, I think the messy lines are ok because some people do like messy or sketchy looking lines. But I agree that fullbody pictures aren't that good for stickers. Make it chibi and they'll look much cuter.

>>9100323
Very bad con, would not recommend. Went this year only stayed for one day and left early too. The crowd is only there for the Asian American expo.

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>>9100895
> Those tiny baby hands

>>9100808
But otherwise mostly agreed. Your line weights are awkward, and if you're going to do anything with speech bubbles, you need to take more care in hand lettering (or give in and buy a nice commercial use font). Also, pay more attention to what direction your feet are pointing. The top and bottom left stickers have broken ankles
I like the design of the bottom right sticker, though. It works nicely and if it was in a fandom for something I liked I would definitely stick it on my phone.

Anyone else sick of all the Pokémon Go designs on AANI that are just direct copies of the official team logos?

>>9101121
yes lmao. market is already oversaturated and its barely been a week

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This 'give me asspats' shit.

>>9101197
This was such a weird post. I've never once thought, "I was going to buy this art but the artist is ugly so I can't".

>>9101197
Why can't they save this shit for their personal blogs? Christ.

>>9100829
Probably because with the most basic fucking of google searches you can find places that print postcards for fucking pennies?

Do you know how oblivious you sound when you think people honestly pay more than 10c for a fucking postcard to be made?

I have never in my life seen anyone sell postcards for more than $1. in multiple countries. Multiple events.

>>9101197
I have to admit, I really do purchase alot more from cute asian girls in the hopes I'll get a number

>>9101255
Seriously, the only place you will find .50c postcards is moo and you would have to be literally retarded to buy from them. Moo is perhaps the most overpriced piece of shit company on the same level as apple or lulu.

Other sites have the exact same quality of print and card for 1/5th the price. At MOST $0.13 is the max price of the competition. Some can be had for as little as $0.05 a card.

If you buy from Moo you have to be the biggest idiot in the world. Vistaprint as well.

If you go to a local printer you will get considerably better quality at an even cheaper price.

>>9101255
>>9101262
Coming from the same people who spend $4+ on a print they can only sell for $20 lol

>>9101282
You are really retarded you know that right?

Like, can you even read?

>>9101262
Just wondering, but don't those cheap postcard places have a high moq? Most people I know and myself get postcard sized photo prints from costco/walgreens because there's no moq and you can do cheap print tests. It costs about 10 cents shipped with promotional codes. So yea, I can't imagine getting actual print quality postcards at 0.05 cents!

>>9101297
It really shouldn't matter. If you order 500 post cards for .10c they will last you for a long ass fucking time. If you're worried about quality, email them and ask for a sample. Ask for the image they used ON the sample so you can calibrate your images accordingly.

If you're working with a local printing company they will do test prints for you for sure. Walgreens, walmart, costco, ect will have poorly trained, poorly equipped staff that don't give a fuck.

>>9101307
The thing about moq is that it just doesn't work for some people. In my case, my postcards of 5 or so designs rarely sell but I still like to have about 20 postcards on hand in case someone wants one. If the moq is 500, even if they are cheap, I'll be basically stuck with 500 postcards for years and years and years and years... And if I want to add more designs? That's like 1000 postcards I will have to hold on to for years and years. So costco/walgreens works great for people like me. And the workers are not that bad as long as you take safety lines into account carefully.

>>9101325
The great thing about postcards is that they are cheap. So cheap that you can give them away as promotional material.

>>9101334
not that anon but you know, people can refuse promo material...and often do...

>>9101334
It's always the slowest tables giving things away.

>>9101334
Just to add on, some companies even have design minimums :/

And yes, people can refuse promo material and why the hell would you buy hundreds of postcards just to hand them out for free when you can just print 5 from walmart. Most normies don't even care about what paper is used as long as the art is cute.

>>9101377
>>9101337
>>9101341
I'm not the one having a hard time selling them. Don't get on my jock about it.

If you are having a hard time selling postcards I doubt you'll sell them at $5 each so I don't see where the problem is here.

>>9101380
I don't think anyone js getting on your jock about it?? I'm not sure if your the $1 postcard anon >>9101255 but I have NEVER seen $1 postcards. I see $3-7 all the time and sell $5 postcards myself. And imo no matter how cheap you get them, not everybody has the same supplier or use the same paper etc. so giving out postcards at a con when other people are selling them for $3-7 kind of makes them look like serious over-pricers. Again, just an opinion.

>>9101380
why are you getting so mad that people don't a.) want to have hundreds of bulky, annoying stock of each design, b.) want to actually earn money off their art? you seriously need to chill.

>>9101380
I don't sell post cards because whether it's a 90 cent profit or a $4 profit, it's a crap margin compared to $20 prints. I just think it's funny that you're so mad that people are saying you're bad at business and trying to act like giving out postcards you can't sell is some kind counter to the fact that you do suck at business. Sorry bro, some people command $75/hr rates AND make 10K+ per con they do on the side.

>>9101538
>>9101380
Assuming you're >>9099826, you literally said you suck shit at business and now you're getting mad that people are saying you suck shit at business.

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Quick question, both as a seller and as a buyer, does anyone have a preference between lobster clasp and standard phone straps, or braided versus standard phone straps? I guess while I'm at it, are coloured straps a plus or just annoying? And do you thing that any or all of these factors ever enough to affect a sale?

It's kind of silly, but they all cost about the same, and I know sometimes the secret to having a polished product is in the details.

>>9101569
You literally can't read can you?

It has nothing to do with my business. I'm saying that postcards are literally cheap enough for anyone to just give them away if they can't sell them. At that point its not business, but a pretty obvious reflection of how not-good your art is.

>>9101400
$7 for a postcard is retarded. 100% makes you a shitty person.

>>9101569
really though, what's the point in saying "people can refuse promo material"? Like.. what? Why would you feel the need to say that? What is the fucking point?

In my post did I say to slam postcards down people's throats? To be invasive about it? I said "if you can't sell them give them away."

Seriously, why the fuck would anyone feel the need to say "but some people won't take it!" If they don't take it, then give it to someone else. Put it on your table with "FREE POSTCARDS", ask online if people want a postcard, Keep them around for other events.

The fact TWO people felt the need to say "but some people don't want free things" confuses the fuck out of me.

>>9101574
the braided one falls apart very quickly 0/10

>>9101589
>>9101593
Man you need to chill. If you feel like you can charge $1 for a postcard, why can't somebody charge $7? All they're doing is overcharging. No harm done to other artists. But charging $1 when the norm is $3-5 makes YOU a shitty person. It makes it look like other artists are overcharging when in fact they are not. Do you think the cost of printing is the only cost?? What about the time it takes someone to actually draw the thing? If you don't care about making money than you should just give away your stuff for free. The rest us of will be charging our stuff appropriately.

What >>9101436 said. Don't get worked up because someone wants to make money and doesn't want a huge stock of something that doesn't fly off the table.

>>9101574
I hate lobster clasps, they always chip so the charm falls off. And having colored straps would be a neat extra but I don't think it'd make or break sales - the actual charm would be more important.

>>9101714
Me too. Even if the charm is too big for the loop, I'd rather not have any lobster clasps because they end up breaking easily. But things like this won't break a sale. The actual charm is what matters!

>>9101606
seconded. got mind custom made so they wouldn't break because of this issue.

>>9100895
>>9100939
>>9101032

Thank you very much for the critiques/advice! Now I know where to start with improving my stuff (and thanks for the one compliment...aha).

How much would you guys generally price 3 inch stickers? I was thinking a dollar each since they're not huge, but I don't want to undercut anyone, either. I've bought stickers at cons that were 4-5 bucks, but they were also pretty big.

>>9102159
Also interested. My stickers are $1 regardless of size, but I also try not to go over 3in.

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How do you determine your commission prices?

Do you get upset when people ask to pay less but are fine even with a sketch?

>>9102159
I usually sell my 1" - 2" for $1 and 3" for $2 and they go pretty fast.

>>9102296
i started at minimum p/h wage and estimated time frames for each type of commission i offered. I then added a dollar to that (hourly rate) whenever I felt like I was being asked for more commissions than spaces I had available.
I'm now sitting at $60USD p/h with a comfortable stream of clients.

New Thread >>9102717

Aspiring vendor here
What sort of licenses will be needed?