Post pics of your favorite Sailor Moon cosplays and props
>>9042164
What's the best place to get a Sailor Moon wig? That wouldn't be too expensive
>>9042183
I prefer Arda wigs but if you're on a budget I'd check ebay!
>>9042183
I think kasous wigs on test has a nice prestyled one :) also ayanamisatoru on eBay although they don't have as wide of an inventory anymore so not 100% if it's still on there, but worth giving a look!
>>9042340
*etsy
>>9042183
Just checked on ayanamisatoru, only their super yellow one is on there :/ they used to have the perfect golden blonde one
>>9042469
ooooh I love this one!
>>9042477
That swing set is cute!
>>9044303
ugh not them again
>>9044303
Lol they look great but if you post anything about them the trolls come out. So many haters for no reason lol
>>9044410
Bah get over it, they're gonna be around. They aren't hurting anyone.
>>9044413
I should've known. I've noticed that a lot around here. So much salt lol
>>9044417
Yeah seriously so much salt against them. It's kind of ridiculous because they haven't really done anything.
>>9044419
lol fueling the fire
>>9044422
They look really great. I think it's just unnecessary jealousy which has become most of the community nowadays
>>9044426
It has gotten to be pretty ridiculous and petty on a whole other level. Everyone is pretty sick of the trolling against them.
>>9044426
I agree, they do look great. Post more pics of them lol! Screw the trolls they look good
>>9044419
OK gonna sound nitpicky here, but as a diehard Sailor Jupiter fan, I wish this Sailor Jupiter chose heels that were a little shorter. She's taller than the rest, but not this extreme. Other than that it looks great!
>>9044434
Yeah but the heels make her legs look so much better over chunky short heels IMO. Either way they look great regardless.
Here is there outers pic
>>9044462
I think her legs would be fine either way. Personally I prefer cosplay to be as canon as possible, so I never really got the whole super high heel cosplay thing. But to each their own i guess.
So I'm planning on doing a Chibiusa cosplay some time in the fall, any ideas on where to look for a wig that isn't complete shit? I can't style wigs very well either so I'd be willing to drop a decent amount of cash on a custom made one even.
>>9044495
I think she looks fine. She has a relaxed or ethereal face and her smile face.
>>9044508
Get that one from either spreepicky or cospicky (not sure which one) and just redo the odandos
>>9044508
lol you can commission one from luxedolls
>>9044467
Their Uranus looks great
>>9044487
Yeah I get that, to each their own
>>9044515
Really? Im not that other anon but theres only one picture shes smiling in and the others she looks terrified of something, or upset.
>>9044533
I think she looks cute and just has a relaxed face in those two pics. Of course, you are also entitled to your own opinions
I like this one the best because butts
>>9044487
At least they got a tall Jupiter! Most groups can't even do that.
What is everyone's favorite weapon from the series?
>>9044561
I like the Spiral Heart Moon Rod the best
>>9044568
ew no
>>9044561
Pink Moon Stick
>>9044561
Moon Kaleidoscope
>>9044518
only like $200, nbd
>>9044581
lol nbd! But seriously probably one of the best Chibi-Usa wigs I've seen. Most have shitty odangos and thin ponytails.
>>9044599
It's Arda so just depends on your opinion of the wigs.
>>9044604
I generally like Arda wigs. They hold up well.
>>9044604
That isn't Arda. It's a shitty Chinese taobao/ebay/lucaille wig that was restyled, lol.
Probably $20 in materials.
>>9044659
How do you know?
>>9044659
Fibers are shiny as shit. You seen Arda before?
>>9042164
This thread reeks of LuxeDolls self-posting and white-knighting
Does anyone know where Kelly Eden got her Sailor Moon props? I haven't seen her credit exactly who
>>9044840
Post them?
>>9044834
Yes, because everyone's favorite thing to do is post pics of themselves in a place notorious for hating on everyone with the tiniest amount of success. Definitely that's what's going on here.
>>9044834
OP here. Who cares? I just want cosplay and prop pics for motivation.
>>9044834
lol this one is just for you hahahaha
>>9045220
Their brooches light up? I've never seen that!
>>9045224
Love this!
>>9045224
This is beautiful
>>9045229
They only lit them up for the contest. The Garnet Rod and Mercury's glasses also lit up.
I wish more people cosplayed from the artbooks.
>>9045437
That is pretty badass and uncommon. I've seen light up Garnet Rods but not brooches or Mercury glasses
>>9045474
Same! I love artbook cosplays!
>>9045482
ooooh! Original Sailor Moon! You rarely see that cosplayed
>>9045486
Pluto, Neptune, and Mars look very masculine in the face
>>9045485
ngl, i love the use of the glittery fabrics in this cosplay
>>9045493
I think it works well for this cosplay!
>accurate age
>accurate colors
>that fucking wig
A++ Chibiusa
>>9045520
>for those that are confused as to why everyone is blonde
>>9044419
Wow. That Jupiter is decently tall and nice long legs. I would seriously talk to her.
>>9045534
I hate when adults cosplay chibi-moon
>>9045543
I think there was just a rock in that location in the way. There are other pics of her shoes on their social media and they seem fine. I think it's just where the photog placed them.
>>9045543
They need a better photographer. Those filter edits are too much. I hope that photographer didn't charge them too much for that crap.
>>9045552
Do you also hate it when kids cosplay adult characters?
>>9045483
Well, that's because their broaches don't light up so it seems pretty fucking stupid to make them light up to everyone else. Like it's inaccurate, and honestly looks messy as hell as some fully light up and others are just a ring.
The glasses are pretty fucking tight though.
>>9045503
>all those ratty as fuck wigs
>>9045552
technically it's canon lol
I really love these professionally shot photos like this.
I wish more people cosplayed PGSM.
>>9045630
Looks to me like all of theirs light up. It doesn't look bad to me at all. Not to mention, photographing lit props never looks right because bulbs always come out as a point source.
>>9045657
meh PGSM is too flashy. Looks good on stage but not up close.
>>9045736
also, the darker the brooch color, the more diffused the light would be causing some brooches to look like rings in photos (Uranus)
>>9045630
not really that stupid. if they entered a contest that would be more interesting to judges then a typical brooch.
>>9045683
I really love this girl's costume but her wig... Light blue wigs on Neptune are my pet peeve, plus the styling looks ugly to me
>>9045797
I'm not a fan of the light blue wigs either. They just look off
>>9045643
Looks very doll-like in the face
>>9045491
There's no way that at least half of these aren't dudes.
Come on Kelly Eden... At least get the correct boots.. That's not even the correct wand she uses in the stars season. And that wig. She has so much potential, I wish she'd utilize it, she's a model.
>>9046411
This girl keeps coming up in SM thread and if baffles me: she isn't even laughably bad, just full of bizarre choices that merit more of an eyeroll than discussion.
>>9045657
I miss people giving at least half a shit about anything sailor moon. People only cosplay it for attention nowadays. At least once in awhile something nice comes of that.
>>9044303
so perfect!!! none of them are fat or ugly !
>>9046411
I'm not sure why people are so against this girl. Her costumes aren't accurate, but she seems really sweet and has fun with her cosplays.
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>>9045503
>the shortest one is Jupiter
>>9046977
the wig to the right is why you should use lacefronts...
>>9046962
I'm not against her, I'm sad she doesn't use her potential. I agree she is a very sweet girl, but she could do so much better with her costumes
>>9045479
I'm pretty sure half of them are dudes.
>>9045484
Shoutout to this old-school Myu cosplay that doesn't make the girl look like a turbochunky barrel-chested freak
Hey /cgl/ a wanderer from /tg/ here i gots a question for you lot. How reliable is Ali-Express. I saw the sailor moon underwear a while back and i want to grab a pair or two for my GF but buying from Peach John seems impossible.
Tips? Suggestions?
>>9047652
Pretty sure it's just Chinese ebay so it probably depends on the seller. Haven't used it myself though so take that with a grain of salt.
>>9044544
those skirts are PERFECT
>>9047652
Always check the feedback. If the price is too good to be true, it probably is.
That being said, ali is a great, I can find some good stuff for cheap.
Asian sizing btw.
Always good to see a fa/tg/uy visit!
>>9047791
Which one of these seems more reputable, they seem neck and neck but almost a ten dollar difference. As for Asian sizing she is Hammerica small whats that in moonland. Lastly what do for shipping pay or go for free shipping.
goo gl/86NdGC
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that Uranus!
>>9048333
God, I love Katie's fukus.
Her bow is drooping a little here but other than that it is great.
>>9045741
You do realise that it wasn't a stage show right?
>>9048405
You think they mixed up Sera Myu and PGSM?
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>>9045800
It's lighter in some manga pics.
>>9048434
That's still green though and that girl's wig is blue/teal.
neptune's hair colour has literally changed everywhere though, in some art it's a light blue, some places it's green, other places it's teal. I've gotten past the point of getting irritated as there's just no consistency in art to get buthurt over it.
>>9048514
dropped the image but, it's shitty but it shows very clearly that the colours changed very much a lot of the time.
ie. the promo images for the most recent musicals has neptunes hair as light teal, yet is green in the actual production. it's weird.
That being said, anyway to darken the colour of a too light wig ?
>>9048113
>As for Asian sizing she is Hammerica small whats that in moonland
Quadruple extra large
>>9049863
That Tuxedo Mask though...
>>9044495
ok i don't feel bad its like i want to know why. It fucking bothers the shit out of my photographer side.
>>9050022
What bothers you? Her facial expressions?
>>9050028
I like these!
>>9049863
That's that Kira Chi girl. The bows on her fukus are garbage. I wish she'd at least alter the cosplays she buys.
>>9045503
what the fuck is wrong with the face of Mars?
>>9051146
...that's what I meant
>>9046979
Jesus Christ
>>9048373
Katie is great but I am not impressed by her bows
>>9046979
Horse teeth
>>9051488
That's true. That and Riddle's clown boobs distort the Saturn fuku in an unfortunate way, otherwise they look great.
>>9051954
>Riddle's clown boobs distort the Saturn fuku in an unfortunate way
I laughed a little. Yeah, now that I look you're right.
Another reason implants should be done with a note of caution. It's gonna make any flat characters you do look off no matter how good you are at anything else.
>>9042488
This one's great!
>>9049863
This girl, christ, she thinks she's gods gift to sailor moon, her cosplays are among the shittiest I've seen, god knows why she gets sponsored, could understand if she was one of those kawaii instagram girls but she's average at best with sloppy make up, may be coming across salty but I just really hate her attitude towards others who cosplay moon
>>9052379
Even if she was cosplaying a character with a bust and not loli Saturn the chest would still look weird. The bow is too high up since her breasts can't be repositioned at all.
>>9048113
You need exact measurements in cm. Scroll down, there will be measurements (bust, waist, hip, height usually) and they will have a corresponding size. Sometimes a L is a 75cm waist, sometimes it's a 65cm waist; since there's a huge difference between these measurements, you can't rely on her fitting into a L or XL.
I've also seen places selling mega shitty clothes that have good reviews because 99% of what they sell is stickers or car parts, so make sure you read reviews specifically for clothes.
And go for free shipping if you can wait. If you have any other questions, read through the Ali thread here.
>>9044303
I like their skirts. The skirts seem to be where a lot of people mess up with Sailor Moon. That and the chest bows.
>>9044518
Man, those bangs look amazing.
>>9047637
Which is impressive considering even the actual SeraMyu girls looked like barrel-chested freaks in those costumes.
>>9048373
I like how solid the white parts of the fuku feel. A lot of other Sailor Moon fukus feel flimsy, with the tubing being too thin and the chest area not being distinct enough.
The pleating is really good too. And the Uranus's facial structure is just perfect.
>>9052490
Her voice is annoying as fuck too
>>9056159
wigs are not optional, especially for Sailor Moon
I wish I could cosplay as the males. but I'm too damn ugly.
>>9056159
Still my favorite Super skirt gradient. too bad about the lack of wig though.
does this thread just die when people aren't talking about the luxedolls? how about some more good SM groups?
>it was only for a skit
>it was late at night and she was exhausted
but by God it's the only time I've ever seen somebody cosplay one of the monstergirls
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>>9059024
here we go again...
>>9059026
someone shouldn't have brought it up again
>>9059024
What's your issue with these girls? My only nitpick would be that Pluto is a little short. Other than that, they're pretty much perfect. Are there no other SM group cosplays to discuss?
>>9059115
Neptune is beyond saving, needs to be replaced. Also they're famewhores.
>>9059024
I really like the construction of their outfits but I can't get over Sailor Moon's fucking wig. It just looks so bad.
>>9059024
That Jupiter makes my inner lesbian come out desu
>>9059273
The buns are just too big because it looks like they just bought the Arda buns.
The best UranusxNeptune cosplayers IMO.
>>9059657
Better quality
>>9059134
Famewhores? As in they post on social media about their cosplay? /gasp How unheard of! What cosplay group would do such a thing?!
>>9059665
Cute!
>>9059665
These sisters are really cute and talented
>>9059024
Their Pluto is too short and Mars has the face of some sort of bird or reptile. Moon needs smaller odangos.
>>9059150
That bow is terrible
>>9044303
that uranus and pluto need too swap, pluto is tallest then jupiter. everyone knows that BASICS
>>9059995
I think they just need a different Pluto. The rest are fine.
>>9059995
I bet it is hard as hell to find tall skinny girls who cosplay though. Surprised they have such a good jupiter and uranus who are that tall
>>9059997
Just some jealous bitch spewing their insecurities onto people getting the attention that they desperately want for themselves. Ignore the jealous fatties anon lol
>>9059995
Their Neptune is too short too
>>9059273
Moon's wig would look much better if the curled the tails at least
>>9059375
Same here! I'm kinda sad that their Jupiter quit to focus on school. She is the best Jupiter I have ever seen.
>>9060043
WHAT?! Do they not have a Jupiter now?
>>9060069
Their Mistress 9 is going to be their new Jupiter
>>9060078
They have a Mistress 9?
>>9060127
I think they all worked on them but used the same pattern. They have progress pics of them all working on them. The should definitely be proud, their costumes are amazing.
>>9060127
I think the Pluto and Mistress 9 do most of the sewing while the others work on the props or make adjustments
>>9060010
Their pluto is a real bitch. They should ditch her and continue on without her.
enough about the luxedolls
there are more group cosplays to talk about
>>9060168
The whole group was started by the Pluto girl. She was also the Mars.
Sailor Pluto cosplay inspiration? I'm 5'10", and I'm currently deciding whether to cosplay Jupiter or Pluto.
>>9060524
If you haven't already make a list of pros and cons.
>mfw i wanted to do casual outfits from the show with a friend but they're dead set on doing an unrecognizable AU
Life is suffering
>>9060524
Are you good with wigs? If so, Jupiter since her wig is more difficult. her costume is more work too since she has the sleeve rolls and collar stripe whereas Pluto does not.
Pluto does look a bit off with out her prop though, unlike Jupiter, so keep that in mind.
>>9060535
legs for daaays
Sorry for the self post, this was from the Sailor Moon meetup last week at AnimeNEXT!
>>9060748
>black guy in the very back
Holy shit, his face.
>>9060748
the uranus and neptune are cute as hell
>>9060748
I like how they stuck all the fatties off to the side.
>>9060533
Thanks anon, I've made a list of pros and cons, as you suggested. And it looks Pluto is coming out on top!
>>9060542
I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable styling my own wig for Jupiter. Thinking about it, I think I'm too tall for Jupiter; the inner Senshi of our group are all under 5'5". With heels I'd be at least 6'0". At least with Pluto the ridiculous height different would be more accurate?
>>9060748
Uranus and Neptune look fantastic!
>>9060922
Pretty blatantly too
Neptune is the best looking one
>>9060824
I think those two are sisters and are part of the Sister Senshi group
Sister Senshi
>>9059665
QuantumDestiny just made a Pluto recently and its fucking gorgeous, hands down the best I have seen. I love her as Neptune but I think she's even better as Pluto.
>>9061265
You weren't joking; her Pluto is incredible! The staff is one of the best made props I've ever seen. That's some seriously good work!
>>9061315
Her Pluto is PERFECT
>>9061262
Yeah only Neptune and Uranus look good still. I was gonna ask why they weren't holding hands or something but if they're sisters then
>>9059665
Uranus wig is spot on, which I love because so many people write it off as any short blonde wig is fine.
Did these guys used to cosplay DBZ characters? They look really familiar.
>>9061315
Love love love this!
>>9045683
It bothers me that you can see her black safety shorts worn under her white leotard.
If you're wearing white, wear white safety shorts jfc.
I came across this and thought she made a pretty cute pluto. I like the way the photo looks too.
>>9061519
I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. it's not that big of a deal
>>9045658
oooohhhh I really like this
>>9061315
Glad you like it! I can't wait for her to release some nice full costume shots. I don't follow many cosplayers but she is one that I really love seeing updates from. I really like her internet persona too. She's always posting hacks/tips/tricks she uses and explaining what she does for others to replicate...seems genuine and kind. Plus she's hella talented. I'm also mad jealous that she's good at props AND sewing AND wigs. Usually people have a forte and can do the others ok. But she rocks all 3.
>>9048333
Wow, never saw her Uranus, she's awesome. I don't think I've ever seen a crisper looking fuku, it . What skirt material did they opt for? It looks great.
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>>9045220
I couldn't place where I'd seen these type of skirts before until now.
Pic related, made with a mix of NyuNyu and Sparkle Pipsi's methods years ago.
>>9061894
Wow. Self post much?
>>9062451
I feel as hyped about Quantum's stuff as that person, does that make me her as well?
Jealousy like that is a shameful thing, anon
>>9061905
one of the few cosplayers to get U&N glove rolls correct.
>>9062738
Tried doing that with my glove rolls and royally screwed them up! Props to them for getting that point on them right!
>>9062005
I believe they have mentioned being inspired by this eternals group for their regular fukus and using similar techniques. Best Eternals group ever!
>>9062778
That makes sense since their Venus commissioned a costume from one of the members and later they switched to this style skirt. How fortunate to have one of their uniforms laying around for inspiration.
>>9059665
Perfect!
>>9062451
Not that I can prove it, but nah. I just legitimately find few truly talented cosplayers who don't have their head up their own ass. When I do find one, I get excited.
>>9063266
>Artistically edited
To look like absolute shit, maybe.
>>9063299
Yeah this is awful
>>9060748
That chibiusa is adorable
luxedolls please stop hanging around these threads and desperately trying to do damage control and white knighting.
It is both obvious and embarrassing.
It's clear you ripped off that Eternals group with their skirts. You've been acting like your fukus are exclusive, custom perfection for some time now. Only recently you've started backpedaling because someone here called you out a couple weeks ago so now you've decide to try to share "Tips". Someone else here again called you on your shit yesterday so now you come out as "inspired" by the Eternals group.
Next thing we know you'll probably finally admit to being "inspired" by a couple different senshi tutorials. There are clear elements of the cupcakes, sparklepipsi and zan in your outfits on top of what you ripped off from daydreamernessa but you present it like you hand weaved the fabric from scratch all by yourselves.
You are insincere trash, pandering to any and everyone you can pander to. Everything you do is reactionary or simply about thirsting for fame.
You only share and promote someone who has praised you already or someone you are trying to suck up to.
Your facade is thin, it's obvious in your every action that you are hollow and desperate for attention.
probably several different dolls samefagging since we've confirmed at least a few lurk here.
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>>9062778
Whichever of you luxedolls are sea gulls should probably tell the others to just stop this. You've ruined and derailed 2-3 threads already with your white knighting.
At this rate it's seeming increasingly likely that this is intentional.
I'm not assuming that all the girls in the group are shallow and fame hungry but it seems like the core face of the group sure is.
>>9063438
she looks like she's dissociating
>>9063614
It's definitely their pluto doing all the derailing since shes obviously the one behind all of this
>>9065054
LOL yes it was all an evil Luxedoll conspiracy
You guys are pathetic
>>9065059
and here comes pluto to white knight
>>9065119
LOL except not at all. Are you really so delusional as to believe that ONE person would dedicate this much time to make people like them?
Your obsession/hatred is way creepier than the people that like them. Someone must really hate themselves.
>>9044303
Why did they fuck up the heights so badly? Like to the point of specifically choosing inaccurate footwear to fuck the heights up. Marks should be almost as tall as Jupiter. Jupiter's nasty metallic stripper platform boots are killing me. Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto, Uranus all need to fix their shoe accuracy and heights. Also why is Moon behind a rock. Why are they shooting in a suburban neighbourhood.
>>9045486
I know that shitty broadcloth is cheap, but it somehow looks sooo screen accurate to the anime. Impressed everyone's fuku looks cohesive and the shoes are also very accurate. I'd make Mars and Neptune's heels a big higher but eh nitpick.
>>9045657
It looks like she's trailing that lace from her vagina.
>>9065159
I don't think Jupiter's boots are metallic, I think that's all the filters plus the glare off the pleather.
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>>9065059
You luxe whiteknights keeps saying "your" and "you" like there is only one person who dislikes you. There are obviously several different parties blasting you in this thread so stop acting like you have some personal stalker out to get you on /cgl/. More than one person sees through your bullshit, it isn't a grand baseless vendetta.
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RIP Saya. :(
>>9065148
Hi pluto. We all know it is you samefagging and whiteknighting nonstop. You are making the whole group look bad and I am sure that the rest of the girls are just your pawns.
>>9065178
it's their pluto samefagging and whiteknighting anon. I'd be willing to bet every single post has been her. She is crazy enough to drop 10 samefags at once.
>>9065691
Yes, that's me. Evil Luxedoll Pluto come to fuck up everything! Love me all of you!
Moving on before I die of laughter.
>>9046969
Too cute
>>9056159
Almost. The skirt is really good though
>>9061315
Bless
>>9065700
That skirt looks a bit sad.
>>9066072
I think it that the eyes are photo shopped here.
>>9065542
cute!
>>9063614
I'm sorry but what exactly is the problem with skirts?
They are gathered skirts with horsehair braid to give it a nice shape. They look like they do in the Manga and using horsehair braid for a magical girl skirt isn't something new. How can this be a rip off?
>>9066186
don't get them started again. I'm afraid they'll have a heart attack next
>>9065531
She's so cute :o
>>9065532
The amount of PS freaks me out
>>9065532
Whoever shopped this did them such a disservice.
>>9066487
I like all the pretty stars and stuff but yes the faces are a breath to far for me too.
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more more!!
>>9061721
Too chubby for Pluto imo. Also look at crappy bow. Selfpost?
>>9067533
that was a selfpost for sure
>>9065531
She's cute...but her choice in fabric is questionable at best. Not a fan of the sleeves, glove rolls, or bow. She herself is very pretty.
Looking for some really good eternal wings for inspiration. Anyone have any pics with wings they particularly like?
>>9042350
Did you look on their website? the one on there doesn't look incredibly yellow
>>9067533
I actually like her bow :o, Ive seen a lot of worse droopy bows imo
>>9070103
Even trash looks nice when compared to worse trash but that doesn't make it good. That bow is awful.
>>9065700
Nice job spamming a lot of mediocre costumes to get us to bump limit and kill the thread, Pluto.
Looks like someone knows their stuff.
>>9070426
What exactly is so bad about it? It looks fine to me, maybe the angle of the photo is making it look bad to you.
>>9070550
The seams are all lump and ugly. Possibly not ironed or improperly interfaced/stuffed with fluff.
An example of some nice bows for comparison.
Since this is probably you selfposting, learn how to use fusible interfacing and iron your seams. You look pretty but you need to up your craftsmanship. The collar looks sloppy too. I would repattern the entire thing from scratch and make the front wings thicker too, since they look thin and flimsy.
I can't see the rest of the costume to properly judge.Check out some of the SM uniform tutorails that have been mentioned in the this thread: Sparkle Pipsi, Nyunyu, Cupcake Cosplay etc.
>>9066186
The problem isn't how the skirts look. The luxe group posts as though they 100% make these fukus with no tutorials or reference from other SM cosplayers when it is obvious that they used several different tutorials and just didn't credit any of them.
Now they are trying to backtrack and claim they were "inspired" by all these groups and people they've ripped off but it just comes across as tasteless and desperate.
>>9070453
fucking hell you are delusional
seek help. it's not even funny anymore, just weird
>>9070632
I've seen other photos of this pluto on IG, from what I can see the collar isn't bad and I think ironing the bow a little more would help it look better.