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OMG sell wall
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What the fuck
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the great dumpening has begun
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>>3405823
Binance list OMG

Whales want more before it goes lunar
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Site is that?
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>>3405823
>>>3405737
Check the catalog, retard.
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>>3405829
A sell wall is not a dump retard
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It's over, it's fucking over!! Reeeeeee
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Whales want to dump OMG to go all in WTC.
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>>3405973
>i-it's a sell wall
>t-thats w-why its at asking price
brainlet
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>>3405823
The whale will collect his cheap coin then remove the wall, isn't this how most pumps happen?
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>it's a dump, everyone knows it's going to crash so they're getting rid of all their OMG, everyone panic, sell, sell, sell!

>it's a strategic sell wall implementing by whales to suppress the price so they can accumulate before the massive moon, everyone buy, buy, buy!

Let's just flip a fucking coin.
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>>3406650
How do they accumulate by selling?
Sorry brainlet here
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>>3406658
Placing a sell wall makes anyone who doesn't pay attention sell their coins for less than that. The person who places that wall (and bystanders) buy it for less than that. Once the wall is gone people will buy and sell at higher prices, providing that there is volume to the coin.
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>>3406658
you can't sell if nobody is buying.
(becuz dey tink it wil goo down fuxxin r3tr4ard)
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>>3406658
Notice it's above the current price. The wall is there to give the whale and his whale buddies (a pod) several hours to buy as much coin as they can at the current low price.

The wall eventually gets eaten in a few hours, or they take it down.

This is when the pump begins.
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>>3405823
guys its' gone
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>>3406685
>>3406679
So buy now or later? got .3 btc
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Big sell wall means they want the price low. It's not a sell off.
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>>3406699
oh boy here we go
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>>3406707
be patient and don't rush into buying. wait for the dip or you wold be buying at a semi-ATH
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>>3406717
>>3406724
never mind i'm a fucking brainlet looking at omg/eth
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>>3406707
Don't take my advice because I don't want to see pink wojaks later if I'm wrong, but I just bought 150 more. Even if the pump doesn't come to fruition if you hold it in the long run you'll make money
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>>3406650
And as you see here there are several different routes OMG can take in the future according to a few algorithms based on various variations of semitic semantics devised by calculus powerhouse trading robo genius soothsayers that have tweeted at approximate ratios in perfect click with radial symmetry.
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>>3406707
Let it dip a bit first
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>>3406747
>>3406759
>>3406685
>>3406734


Thanks guys /biz/bros
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>>3406734
>>3406759
So how much should oyu let it dip then?
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>>3406780
>>3406800
Back down to $3 when the news is literally nothing.
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I fomo bought in at the ATH, fortunately only $120 worth. FUCK i am so bad at crypto. This is the sixth ATH I've bought this week.
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Holy fucking tits it's still there.

Something very big must be about to happen.
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>>3407032
I hear you bro, I bought at 3 aths and ETH while it was still 300 euros. Now I only wait for dips to buy and only on coins I know I can make money on.
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>>3405823
Obvious market manipulation to scare stupid pajeets
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>>3407055
There is a whale who put up a $1 million wall
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>>3407105
More like a huge accumulation by chinks out of fear of the current fud regarding a China ban. OMG was SUPER resistant last time when ICO's got banned. This shit is ready for a trip to Pluto, but it's being artificially kept down.

Techn Crunch Disrupt is soon.
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>tfw can't make heads or tails whats going on
>either someone is dumping and people who say its actually just for accumulation are trying to get rid of their bags
>or its just a whale actually accumulating and trying to make a dip happen
I might just HODL and hope for the best.
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>>3407138
This is the problem I run into all the damn time. I can identify what's happening but not zero in on WHICH of the 5 implications it has...
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WE'RE AT THE FUCKING WALL

LAST CHANCE TO HOP ON THIS COIN, HOMOS.
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>>3407152
ELON PLZ
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https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/906111094380302337

omg and neo got delisted. Lots of ICO coins not looking good long term right now.
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>>3407178
Shit so it's a dump after all?
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Holy fuck
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>>3406685
This. Almost always this. A whale keeping the price low so that his whale friends can buy cheap.
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>>3407194
If Chinese exchanges are de-listing specific ICO coins then it may be only a matter of time before exchanges like bittrex delist them as well. hence the 300btc sell order.
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>>3407195
Whale bot spotted
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>>3407178
>https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/906111094380302337

De-listed three days ago, though.
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>>3407178
Old fucking news
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>>3407215
>cnLedger
They're only delisting Chinese coins. This is Thai. No mention of OMG coming down.
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>>3407178
>>3407194
This happened three days ago
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>>3407202
more likely is people are putting sell orders in front of his to get theirs filled. dudes not going to constantly change the sell price on a huge stack every 5 seconds someone else adds a sell order. maybe if the sell order was on the 2nd to 4th page of sell orders it might be fake.
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So uh, should I sell to rebuy cheaper or will this whale fuck off?
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>>3407218
>got delisted
yeah thats why i said "got delisted" not "going to get delisted". it's still fairly recent.
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>>3407262
3 days = 10000 years in crypto time
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>>3407270
lol true
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>>3407280
Wall is getting eaten. get ready for breakout
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>>3407312
its down to 215 btc now

lots of people putting up sell orders in front of the wall though. lets see if he moves it down closer to market price
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its the dip boys
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>>3407340
So let me get this straight, if he doesn't move it it most likely is a whale keeping the price down, right? That would seem the most logical.
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>>3407375
buy now?
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>>3407375
BUY the dip. This thing will be past 12 $ no doubt tonite
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The person is clearly cashing out.
He put his sell order at 278k and didn't move since.
Around 30% of the wall is already gone, the owner got 100 BTC out already and is waiting for his other 75000 (200 BTC) to be bought too.

That's all there is to it.
It's so obvious, but /biz/ always prefers the "whales are manipulating the price!!!" explanation.

Chill out.
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>>3407382
Yes, my guess is 12 in like 4 hours. Buy now.
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>>3407381
Nah I think your reading into it too much.

could just be a whale taking a shit not looking at his computer every second that goes by.

it's just that fake walls are usually a safer distance from market price. you never know whats actually happening/intentions on the whales end though
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>>3407429
Yeah, I'm just gonna HODL and not buy or sell this one. I don't have that much in OMG anyways so I won't lose too much.
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bought in at 11.40 with 1k omg on a 3x margin because i gotta make up for 50 omg i lost.

i just wanna get back to my starting point and never daytrade again :c
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>>3406621
READ IT RETARDS
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>>3407493

>not having much in OMG
>Stay poor faggot
>/Biz/ Always cracks me up
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>>3407526
Its not that I don't want to have much in OMG, it's just that I don't have that much to put in it. Or any other crypto really.
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>>3407538

>an actual poorfaggot in real life
>TOP KEK
>Get off my boards
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>>3407559
>being this pathetic
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>>3407559
You are scum
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>>3407559
>contributing nothing but shit talking with meme arrows
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>>3407538
>>3407583
>>3407627

Sorry, went all in at walton 2.80. Poorfag reporting
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>>3406650
just did it. landed on heads, buy order is set.
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>>3407559
>writing in meme arrows and still acting superior
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Has anyone tried targeting these huge sell walls? I know a whale capable of buying them but he has little crypto experience and is unsure what to make of them. Has anyone seen how they react to someone buying huge 100+ btc walls?
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>>3407768
They usually remove them, however I think they're selling desu, binance death kids
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>>3407788
So far I spotted huge sell walls all going up on QTUM, OMG and ARK at the same time.
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>>3407816
They'll be moving to USDT or into fiat
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omgbro, asuh dude
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>>3407831
They aren't getting filled most of the time. I did see a QTUM 200 btc wall get eaten recently but these ones get pulled unless someone buys the entire wall in one huge order.
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>>3407816
NEO too.
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>>3407816
>>3407886
ok now im concerned
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sold at 280, rebought 274, plus 15 omg. neat
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>>3407886
I suspect some very large whales are causing the BTC dips on weekends when volume is low. I'm guessing they have discovered most people hodl alts even if they sell them down but the first sign of BTC crashing they sell everything.
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>>3407908
I checked them out and only OMG has a big sell wall, others don't, at least anymore. Something is going on though, could've sweared I saw a big wall on ARK like 20 minutes ago.
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>>3407921
I thought about doing it too but I'm too much of a pussy. I don't have too many coins though so it wouldn't make a huge difference anyway
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Ignoring the staking reward for a moment, does the OMG token have any real value? It seems like it's only used as a utility to facilitate transactions.

So why would the value keep growing as the company does?
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>>3407944
just do it at the right time, and maybe leave your pc after you set the order.
Otherwise you might just fomo back in at the wrong time.
I wanted to go to sleep and set a buy order at 264, but I did not have the balls.
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>>3407957
The price should keep rising as more and more companies use the service, obviously.
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>>3407975
I also set up an order earlier when the price was closer to the wall but chickened out at the last second. I regret it now.
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>>3407943
Who ever controls the ARK one pulled it. If they want out it makes no sense, they had plenty of time to sell it when the price was higher hours ago.
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>>3407957
Pretty sure I've read that holders are going to get a % of the transaction fees involved with using the platform.
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>>3407943
>sweared
Wow, I'm fucking tired.
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WHY ISN'T IT DISAPPEARING.
FUCKING THING HAS GONE DOWN 80BTC BUT IT'S STILL THERE.
IS MR. WHALE ACTUALLY CASHING OUT OR IS THHIS AN ACCUMULATION PLAY. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON????
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>>3407985
I suppose you'll have to explain it like I'm 5.

Because I understand the concept of a currency increasing with increased demand, but I don't understand why an intermediary utility token that essentially only exists as a trading mechanism should increase in price simply because more people are using the exchange.

It's like saying that electricity is worth more because more people use it.

The cost of electricity actually goes down when that happens. Especially with the scale of the transactions -- 1 million per second? Your OMG can be used over and over and over again. Why do people need to pay for them if not through the staking system?

I'm just worried that the only thing making the coin valuable is because it has a small percentage stake in transaction fees.

What happens when people realize that? You're not getting a cut of Omise. Better hope those dividends are worth it.
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>>3407816
I don't see any sell walls on Ark on bittrex at least.
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>>3408048
Like I said >>3407943 I saw one sometime ago, but it propably got eaten fast since ARK is on a rise. Can't say anything about the others.

I'm starting to believe this is some whale cashing out, there's no way this is just some price fuckery.
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>>3408048
Ark guy removes them constantly. OMG wall seems to legitimately want to sell them.
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>>3408086
sorry yeah didn't read the rest of the thread before replying
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>>3408092
OMG whale must be high.
The hordes are banging at the gates.
If he/she dropped it right now we would moon hard.
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Okay guys, what if this whale is actually doing some kind of double stunt where he puts up a sell wall like that, lets it sell all the way down, all the while buying new cheaper. Would that work?
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>>3408136
>he/she

only 2 possible genders? Cis scum.
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>>3408187
Its working right now.
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>>3408187
Once the whales wall was exposed-- sales of 3-4BTC chunks were being taken out of it.

No other sale is being swallowed up in that manner...

Fishy as fuck-- perhaps he's buying his own?
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>>3408187
Fees would probably make it not worth it.
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>>3408211
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>>3408187
Assuming there's enough people willing to sell before the wall then yes, but thats a big gamble, especially with 100k tokens.
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>>3408136
So what is it

>he is selling off
or
>he is holding off a mooon

gimmie a (you) with your vote
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>>3408212
It's working for me as long as I don't buy at the same price. So as soon as some of his OMG gets sold he rebuys it much lower
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>>3408236
>>he is holding off a mooon
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>>3408236
He's selling
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What the hell is going on with this coin? guys???
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>>3408236
Number 2 has the freak eyes
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Whale is obviously selling off all his OMG which he bought around $2 to invest in ARK.

Smart man.
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OP are you new? Sell walls don't mean shit. Whether the wall is removed, eaten quickly, or eaten slowly, the price will still continue its uptrend.
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>>3408192

>underrated
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>>3408282
BUT I WANT TO SEE FAST GAINS YOU CUNT!!!!
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1. Someone made nice profits off OMG and wants to get off the ride to invest in something else, cash out back to fiat to buy a house, whatever, it doesn't matter.

2. He places a sell order at a reasonable price and waits for people to buy.

3. After a few hours, it's all bought.

4. The End.


What's so hard to understand?
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>>3408305
but what happens next
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>>3408305
THAT I DONT WAIT WAIT FOR A FEW HOURS I WANT FAST GAINS!!!
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>>3405823
welp we are at the wall boyos
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>>3408404
Here comes the long wai.t
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>>3408236
2,4,1,3
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Mr. Gorbachev.....
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The wall is still up. 30k OMG were already eaten away.

I fear he seriously wants to sell off his stack.
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>>3407138
Whales don't dump their shit all at once. They sell during pumps so that the price will keep going up as they sell in increments to make more money overall.
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>>3408472
yup. it's not a price suppression wall. it's a "let's get the fuck outta here" wall
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>>3408485
thanks just bought 100k
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>>3408472
maybe it's only half of his stack. you never know
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>>3408037
>>3408037
Really? Nobody has anything to say about this?
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>>3408475
Is it possible that this whale is stupid?
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>>3408472
i hope he does and drop the price enough so i can scoop up some cheap OMG
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>Suddenly Bancor sell wall
Whales cashing out, did the bubble burst?
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>>3408037
The price is derived from its staking, anything else is cope
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>>3408815
Yeah, it burst. Don't you clearly see the crash fag-itt?
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>>3408815
this has terrifying implications
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It's getting bigger......
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>tfw a whale made it look like he put up a sell wall to buy low for future mooning, but actually it's just a trick to dump it all without the price dropping
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>>3408236
I think the first one might be a lizard.
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>>3408980
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He got me, selling off my OMG.
Im sorry bros, my hands are spaghetti
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>>3405823

What do I do /biz/? It's 1 AM here and the wealthy china men are going to wake up at any time and I feel like I have to go to sleep.
OMG can moon at any time, but if the china men start to dump hell gets loose and I will wake up to -50% loss.

My reason tells me to go for USDT, but my greed tells me to just let my OMG be.
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>>3409174
HOLD LAD
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>>3406658
they hold th price down, taking a little bit of a loss while they buy up EVERYTHING, release the flood gates (sell wall) and shit starts to FLYYYYY REEEE
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>>3409174
Volume decreasing wall getting biten little by little and not moving no news coming tomorrow they are faking a mooning to dump the bags
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>>3409196

How about fifty fifty??? I think it would be a nice compromise??
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Looks like a dip is on the way.
Setting a buy order for 245k.
Wish me luck.
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>>3409174
this is a sell off, rev up those woejacks

its not going +285K anytime soon
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>>3409235
Trust money skelly.
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>>3409324

Ofc, but if I dodge the chinese dump I can buy so much more OMG.
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>>3409402
try and sell about 278k

I'll see you at 245k Omise Marine!
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>>3409402
What's your strategy?
I sold at 270k and set a buy order at 245k.
But now I'm reconsidering... thinking about day-trading some other high volume coin and then, at night before I go to sleep, setting the buy order for OMG's dip.
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>>3409324

What if that is skelly's stacks he's selling off?
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the whale is clearly selling, anybody sane would do the same now, before OMG pulls off a full NEO and bleed slowly out
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>>3409434
Please let it not be so
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>>3407237
>dudes not going to constantly change the sell price on a huge stack every 5 seconds someone else adds a sell order

they have programs that do this
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>>3409172
I went from 44.0 OMG to 44.2, 44.6 and now 44.02. Shit, this thing is hard to predict.
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>>3409425
Same here, sold at 275k but got a buy order at 230k Its 1AM currently I think I'm going to stay awake all night
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>>3409487
Tfw got +25 in 2 days with 3 trades.
Very comfy.
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>>3405823
>people buy that shit and we get tons of green candles
>OMG THE PRICE WILL CRASH SELL SELL SELL NOW!
/biz/ is fucking retarded. This is a buy wall. It prevents the price of OMG from rising but once the wall has been bought out the price will be able to go up again.
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ALWAYS BUY INTO A SELL WALL WHEN THE TREND IS UP

CRYPTO 101
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>>3409497
With the sell wall intact and the price so stable and trying to break out.
I wanted to, but today is not the day. For me at least.
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>>3409523
the wall isn't going away tho
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>>3409527
Well yeah, the run was fine for me too. I could just wait for BTC's price to increase and with the sellwall intact I can buy more OMG that way.
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Is this it?! Is the wall coming down?!
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>>3409610
under 200 btc now
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>>3409610
No.
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>>3409610
How many btc?
I am on mobile and going to bed. I bet it is still there when I get up.
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plz rich anon buy that fucking wall for us hold for 1 year and you win lots of moniez
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>>3407744
i love irony
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>>3409631

178 btc now.
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>>3409521
Volume is low, this wall has been in place since this morning.

Read the thread
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Wall taking damage, all hands on deck
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>>3408192
yeah, just two - study biology
get assistance with your body identity mental issues
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>>3409675
Not bad. Was 190 when I checked last.

Good night to you all. I hope the dip is over and we all are in the green again tommorow.
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brainlet newfag here- which site are you getting the order book from??
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>>3409835
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-OMG
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100btc left. om nom nom
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Will it dip any more after this wall is taken down?
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Another wall? There's some bullshit going on here
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NEW 75 BTC WALL ADDED

guys, the whales are dumping, I suggest you dump too, OMG is going down to 180k sats by Sunday night
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>>3410263
It just went up again
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>>3410283
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>>3410281
And its gone
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>>3410281
no whales = no huge sell walls that keep the price from rising

where is the problem?
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>>3410295

He pulled right the fuck out as soon as his stack got touched
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>>3410281
That's not very realistic
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>another wall
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WHAT THE FUCK IS GHOING ON RIGHT NOW I AM SO CONFUSE
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Noone drops 200 BTC on a random non ATH without some knowledge of it going down after
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This whale has not and is not pulling his wall. He is dumping close to a million dollars worth of OMG. He knows something you don't. Do you really think that you're smarter than him?
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>>3410333
Triple 3's????
What does it mean?
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>>3410339
yes. I too one day will cash out 1m out off some altcoin. Thats the day I sell leave 25% back in btc/eth and 75% back to fiat
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>>3410339
He could just have found a more promising investment or is getting back to fiat in order to buy a house or something. This 1 million USD could be 40% of his portfolio.
We just don't know.
Speculate all you want, but in the end we just don't know.
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Pretty comfy in POSW right now. It's taking off while you guys are arguing about OMG.

Join the POSW pool. The water is warm.
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Fuck it I'm staying out. Worst comes to worst I lost $2000 buying in 10k later. This shit is so manipulated.
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>>3410387
nobody cares about your pump and dump
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So many people buying.....
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I think this whale is actually just dumb, obviously other whales are buying his omg. I've never seen omg challenge a wall for so long and not come down in price, def not selling
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explain to me how this is a bad thing?
the whale is getting eaten.
how the fuck is a dump meant to happen after this?
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50btc
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>>3408037
stopped reading here
>>It's like saying that electricity is worth more because more people use it.
INCREASE IN demand for electricity drives up its price you IGNORANT FUCK BECAUSE CETERIS PARIBUS SUPPLY STAYS THE SAME

IM NEVER COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD AFTER IVE MADE MY MONEYS
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WHALE DOWN
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it's gone
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The great wall has fallen!
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holy shit
next stop 350k
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Commence.
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Primary ignition sequence go
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>>3405823
Wall is down, we have liftoff
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You bought his wall. Now he'll wait a bit, and then drive the price down to so can buy in cheap.
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Habbening
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my body is ready.
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>>3410590

How can he drive the price down if dumping 80k of omisego failed to drop the price even a fraction?
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i sold fugg
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>>3410615

You did the right thing
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Literally get played like a fiddle. The average IQ here is ridiculous.
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Why didn't mr whale spread it out and make more? Is this some bait and switch trickery like when orcas team up to kill seals?
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>>3410614

Just watch. 12-24 hours from now where we'll be.
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>>3408433
my nigga
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>>3410636

maybe his bot broke after he went to bed
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Everybody assuming he doesn't have another 80k to profit off after driving the hype up.
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sell wall is down
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siri, how to catch a flying knife?
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When bitcoin recovers, OMG will be well over 13 maybe hitting 14.
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>>3410595
Why are you guys trading on "I don't know how they got past my 2FA" bittrex and not bitfinex
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>>3410701
Because that's just shitty FUD
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sell wall is gone. OMG already braking out
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>>3410701
>> not having a 24character password length
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>>3410716
>1 minute candles
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>>3410723
in case you didnt notice for past 5 hours there was 100k sell wall at 275k sat
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>>3410716
>braking
>implying it's slowing down
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>>3410738
Dropping to 11.9 soon, the moon
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goddamnit i thought it was a sell off... hopefully it will di
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>>3410761
RIP anon
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>>3410761
Candlejack
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>>3410771

anon that's dangero
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>>3410712
Heikin Ashi master race
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>>3409677
>blah blah blah says some bullshit that makes no fucking sense "read the thread"
Meanwhile price literally went up and the wall is gone. Suck my dick.
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Who the fuck keeps talking about a wall?????? THERE IS NO FUCKING WALL!!!! there WAS NO FUCKING WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those new walls tho
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>>3410849
>Heikin Ashi
What are the benefits of Heikin Ashi for volatile crypto?
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anyone whos been hodling this coin for over a month knows this coin is a whales playground, they like it to increase in $2 increminents, went from $6 to $8 to $10 then to $12, coin is comfy as fuck and pretty easy to daytrade if you anticipate the news.
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>>3410915
Aesthetics
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>>3408037
Does it matter that the coin's value is linked to the volume of payments processed by the network?
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>>3411814
it's value is almost entirely decided by this, and at this stage is decided upon speculation of this volume. Yes it matters.
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>>3412120
well?
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>>3412971
All good. I increased my chip stack by a whopping 1.5%. Back to whale games shortly
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>>3410796
Dude, don't encour
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>>3412971
Well what?
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>>3412120
Couldn't the same be said for most/any coin?
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>>3413103
Well yeah, it can. I didn't mean to say OMG is unique in that sense, I just meant that the value of the coin is decided by the sum of its transactionary and speculative demand, disregarding supply as it's fairly irrelevant at this time. Given that the coin doesnt actually operate as intended yet, the current price is all speculation. Hence coins used more often (BTC, ETH) have higher values, and hence this one having a low value.
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