NON SHILL COIN THREAD 2

I'm the guy from yesterday. But don't have time for questions right now. I'll keep this thread open so leave your questions and I'll answer when I get time later.

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>>2740026

>>2740026
Link to the last thread?

>>2740026
Buy ANS

>>2740054
K cool

So you cloak URLs not through wordpress, or any website, but through a program on your own computer to track PPC data, right?

Because I see why people cloak, it's kind of stupid not to honestly, but what I'm a little confused on is how a lot of these resources and sites I've been reading explain cloaking through a wordpress blog, and folders in the root directory of your site.

But in your case, you are just cloaking links and spamming ads through facebook. Are you just creating ads on facebook with cloaked urls that redirect? Or is there something I'm missing.
>>2740060
https://warosu.org/biz/thread/S2730127#p2730127

here you go dude

>>2740055
>>2740070
pls no bubble posting in this thread thanks

bump to keep alive

>>2740072
Alright I have a minute.

>So you cloak URLs not through wordpress, or any website, but through a program on your own computer to track PPC data, right?

Use a cloaker like Traffic Armor, Fraud Buster, NOIP Fraud etc.

What they allow you to do is upload a php file to a clean Wordpress blog and direct visitors to either the clean or dirty page depending on where they're coming from.

These cloakers have large databases of IP addresses so they know if an IP is a Facebook moderator or a normal user and directs them accordingly.

You can also cloak using Javascript but this is not as safe as it redirects the user which Facebook is starting to pick up on through the mobile app. So php is the way to go for sure.

Everyone running blackhat on Facebook uses a cloaker.

So in sum, yes I'm doing what everyone you've read about is doing.

>>2740133
To further expand on this what we've started doing is using Shopify sites instead of Wordpress blogs as our clean pages. Facebook loves the shit out of Shopify and ecommerce in general so your chances of passing a manual review are much higher using this method.

Also worth noting that Facebook moderators are wage cucks getting paid next to nothing and follow a simple check list so your clean page doesn't need to be a convincing work of art. Best practices are to have contact details, about us page and terms on the clean page.

>>2740133
>upload a php file to a clean Wordpress blog

This is just where it confuses me, why is there a wordpress site involved if you're linking to the gambling page

Correct me on the process here, because this is how I assume it works

Find affiliate, get links to affiliate site to track, cloak links, create ads on facebook using the cloaker link to direct to the advertiser page, get paid based on PPC etc.

Where does wordpress sites fit in? Or is the Wordpress blog just a proxy where the wordpress site is just a filter for jewbook employees?
>>2740143
Ok now I'm starting to understand I think.

What you're doing is basically creating a fake marketplace page, blog, whatever, that is used to screen potential ads. So after the ad is in place, a cloaker link is put in (or possibly it always was a cloaker link) to redirect to the affiliate page.

The reason you are cloaking the page is because if the url went straight to the affiliate, jewbook would get mad and take it down, but if it's just some shitty blog it wont care.

Tell me if I've got this right so far.

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>>2740133

If you don't mind me asking: what is the strategy used to repeatedly churn out new Facebook ad accounts? From what I understand, most of them require ID verification so I don't see how it's feasible.

>>2740287
He explained in the other thread

He sets up a Facebook business manager, and tells facebook he's an agency. Then he gets losts of accounts attached to said account, thus each account he can pump out ads with.

>>2740133

Btw, soliciting online gambling in the USA is akin to literal terrorism as far as the government is concerned so I hope you're not American.

>t. someone that got in trouble for shilling bitcoin gambling back in the day

>>2740314
Bro there's a billion other things out there people will click on. Number 1 is dieting shit, especially in murka

>>2740153
Sorry man I'm out right now I'll answer in detail later. You're misunderstanding the process though. I'll explain in detail when I have a chance.

As for the guy who mentioned running gambling in USA - we don't do that. We run in Canada and Europe.

And whoever said diet is big in USA is correct. Diet, skincare and muscle is huge there and I have friends who are millionaires from running those.

>>2740340
I'm the op and the guy who mentioned dieting, guess I'm on my way already.

Can I drop my email or some way you can contact me in case the thread dies? I'm kind of tired and I don't know how long it will last without my bumps

>>2740319
Not sure what your point is. Online gambling is explicitly illegal in the United States. It's not even close to the same caliber as selling shady diet shit. For whatever reason, the Department of Justice thinks many of these online gambling faculties have deep ties to criminal activity and they've used that as an avenue to prosecute Americans for their involvement. if you're advertising this shit to other Americans and collecting commission from the casino, you can be 100% sure that falls under the umbrella of solicitation.

anyways, just google it yourself. it's a clever idea but there is a reason all the top ranking online casino indexes aren't operated by americans.

>>2740366
Bro you should really read the last thread, I posted it here
>>2740072

>>2740359
Create a throwaway email and leave it in this thread and I'll contact you.

>>2740423
[email protected]

Here's a temp, contact me through that and I'll send my actual email

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tfw i fell for the ETH meme

>>2740143
Why not just use someone else's clean shopify page, what's the sense in building your own?

>>2740426
Bump

I guess I'll share my story with affiliate marketing.

I am 25 now but back when I was 16-17, I was super into weed and I accidentally stumbled upon some bullshit called "legal bud". Long story short, it's some dude's leftover autumnal yardwork packaged and condensed to kinda resemble weed and then on the website they give it a bunch of weed-like names to make people think it's anything like weed.

>rich potent smoke that is sure to leave you satisfied

Anyways, it's obviously a scam, but I noticed they had an affiliate program and signed up. Made a bunch of blogs and started reviewing them and inserting my affiliate links. It was super low effort and poorly done - but it worked - mainly because I think I was one of the only people doing it. I didn't make much, averaging around $1.5k-$2k/month but it was a lot of money at the time since I was so young and didn't have bills to pay and shit.

the two sites:

http://internationaloddities.com/
http://www.legalbuds.com/

The industry pretty much died once all the Spice/K2/Research chemical-based smokes became available, but I think it's still hanging in there by a thread suckering in the occasional sorry soul.

I also briefly participated in the affiliate programs offered by bong/glass selling companies like EveryoneDoesIt and GrassCity but those weren't as lucrative (i did ok with grasscity).

Anyways, hopefully that gives you some idea of the abstract niches that are available to make money with. That was really what got my career in IM started.

>>2740426
Bump

>>2740143
What budget do you recommend for someone starting? How much did you spend before you found something that worked and you started making money?

>>2740423
So I lost your shark lasers email because it's temp, but here's a permanent throwaway I've used

[email protected]

Also yeah I've had it for nearly a decade, it's my old account from when I was a babby

>>2740026
>Is it /biz/ approved?

Anything NEETs can do with their allowance money is /biz/ approved.

Alright guys I'm back and have some time. Let's do this.

>>2740153
These are the elements of a campaign:

1. A tracking system. I use Voluum. This is used to track traffic and monitor stats. You also use it to set up your landing pages and offers.

2. An offer. This can come from an affiliate network or directly from an advertiser.

3. A traffic source. This can be Facebook, Google Ad Words, Native ad networks (e.g. the ads you see at the bottom of 4chan) etc. I'm using Facebook for this "lesson".

4. Landing page. This is your pre-sale page. It is not always a necessity but usually is. It's basically where you sell the user before sending them to the offer page where they complete the action that constitutes a conversion.

5. Cloaker. This is only if you're running blackhat. The goal is to show the users one thing and the traffic source another. Because we are breaking the terms of use, we need to hide what we're really marketing from Facebook. So we show them a clean blog page or Shopify page to make them think we're running legit so they don't ban our account.

Basic flow is as follows:

1. Create campaign in Voluum by plugging in your offer link and landing page link. Voluum then generates a tracking link. This is your "dirty" link.

2. Set up cloaker. Specify the "clean" page URL that you want to show Facebook and the dirty one we just set up in Voluum. It will now provide you with an index.php.

3. Upload this index.php to a folder on your clean domain (where the clean page is hosted).

4. Set up your ads on Facebook. So many ways to do this and it's an art in itself once you get into using custom conversion pixels etc. but basically you want to catch the users attention and get them to click. You would plug in the URL of the index.php into Facebook ads.

5. Your ads are now running and people are clicking your ads. They will be sent to your dirty landing page as long as they aren't flagged by the cloaker.

Gonna continue in next post.

>>2742006

6. Now I'm going to monitor my stats in Voluum. How many people are clicking through on the landing page? How many people are converting? How much and I spending and how much am I making? Am I profitable? Are certain operating systems performing better than others? Is mobile outperforming desktop? Are any regions showing a much higher ROI? Answer these questions, optimize accordingly.

So that's your basic campaign flow. I'm no teacher but hope it explains the process a little more clearly.

>>2740461
Because building a Shopify page takes 15 minutes and costs me like $30 a month. I make that back in minutes. And I can align it to my offer.

>>2740852
Truth is Facebook is so smart right now that you will see results even with small budgets. We spend around $8k a day at high scale and this is nothing compared to the really big guys. I know guys spending $150k-200k a DAY on Facebook.

But general rule of thumb for affiliate marketing is spend 10 x your offer payout before giving up on a campaign. So if you're getting paid $10.00 a lead, spend $100.00 and if you aren't profitable then test something else. I follow my gut these days and don't rely on these kind of rules though.

>>2742049
hows this sound:

1. i go on a site like facebookadninja - or any other site that shows me ads on facebook
2.i find some ad about muscle building hocus pocus pills that is obviously black hat
3. i copy the ad - creative, landing page, offer, everything
4. I start running it on facebook using a cloaker and some ad accounts

does that sound like a good plan to get started? I'll copy working campaigns and then once i get the hang of things ill start building my own

>noobies launching cloaking campaigns
Haha, good luck doing that

>>2742141
wtf is facebookadninja

>>2742401
shit i meant socialadninja. looks like it shut down but there are other ad spy tools like that

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>>2740026
What's a low cost way to start/engage in affiliate marketing?

>>2740026
i tried affiliate marketing (sort of). found a product to shill on click bank, got my website all set up and pretty with hyperlinks throughout. When the time came to start spamming links though i couldn't do it. Made myself sick. I hate seeing that shit everywhere and i just couldn't go through with it. took my site down about a month later without linking it once.

>>2742813
You're doing it wrong

Also

>muh morals

I don't give a fuck if people are spammed, normies can get fucked for not knowing about ad blocker, and buying stupid shit as well.

>>2742897
People without morals are the most self-entitled bunch.

>>2743102
>morality in spamming ads

Ive got morals when it comes to not raping and killing people, but if spamming ads makes good money, and intelligent people can avoid getting spammed, I don't lose sleep.

>>2743116
you can mitigate spam to some degree but you can never completely get rid of it, just browse the /biz/ catalogue for fuck's sake. coins are getting shilled out the ass, no matter how shit they are.

Why do people cloak and stuff? Why not just find a product, create landing/review page and then put on banners and use split testing to find which banner works best on Facebook and what not?

Does anyone have STM 6 week mastery working torrent or someone could share maybe?

>>2743466
My understanding is kikebook does't want people advertising affiliate links.

Why?

Because unless the jew is getting a slice of the pie, they don't want other people making money.

>>2743531
bro let me give you a nice little red pill. literally all that shit is nonsense. there is not a single fucking thing these people can tell you that you can not figure out on your own. in many ways you are better off starting from scratch. all these gurus, subscription sites, marketing forums, etc.... they will teach you everything EXCEPT what you actually need to know because that is obviously something no sane person would willingly divulge. what offer are you running? what do your landers look like? whats your targeting? these people will teach you the vehicle to do all of this on. they don't give you the ingredient that makes the money, that's something you have to figure out on your own. and surprise surprise, that's the component that is the hardest and matters the most. do not pay these schmucks

>>2744796
This

Considering someone on /biz/ basically wrote step by step guide, I don't see why you would need to pay a hundred dollars for a forum.

Maybe if you do AM and start making lots of money you can, to help network, but for the time being there's not really a use.

>>2744922
May you please link to that guide im interested? Thanks so much!

>>2745188
Bro he literally wrote it in the thread

>>2745237
oh my bad thought he was referring to something else, i read that and will read it again, thanks!

>>2742006
Hey bro you still there? I had another question for you

>>2742141
This is a good approach for a beginner. The real money comes when you find your 'edge' though. This edge could be great copywriting, clever ad buying tactics, good optimization etc. Ripping and running is good for learning but not for making the real money.

>>2742401
Its an Ad Spy (also known as an Intelligence Tool) that basically lets you see what other people are running including their ads, landing pages etc.

>>2744796
You're right to a large extent. STM really isn't bad though. There is a lot of solid information that is great for a beginner there.

>>2746265
Yeah leave any questions in the thread.

>>2746395
>>2746395
Ok cool

So my question is about cloaking. So here's what I don't understand.

Are the ads you put up through facebook images? Because with cloaking cuckbook will see it as just an ad for a blog or whatever, but everyone else will see it as diet pills, right? Or is the ad for a blog, and cuckbook employees get sent to an actual blog, where as normies are redirected to the diet pills, even though they were looking for the blog?

Basically are you just using a click bait title that redirects to diet pills even if it's unrelated, or do the ads appear differently for cuckbook than normies?

>>2740026

I dropship for $2k/month and my afilliate links in
>>2746465
bring me $500/month

Nice side income

>>2746466
My other question is how many landing pages do you have? Do you really need more than 1, unless you're doing different products? If I create a bunch of unique ads and a good landing page to cloak to, that gives me good results, should I create more landing pages for the same company and product?

probably should have a discord for this to continue the convo

https://discord.gg/quWPY82

>>2746513
I'm just sticking around because of the guy dumping his knowledge, this shit is gold and I don't want to miss it.

>>2740026

Is affiliate marketing even worth it if you are just starting after Amazon slashed all the comissions?

It looks like retailers just found out they can squeeze a lot more from marketers than what they used to.

>>2746545
>amazon slashes commissions
Yes, because Amazon is the only company that hires affiliate marketers

>>2746529
agreed

>>2746558

No, but they are the largest player by far and they can set a trend. If Amazon used to give 5% and now they only give 1% on a niche, other players that used to give 7% to attract marketers might realize now they only have to give 3% to undercut Amazon.

That's why I'm asking a question, I'm not presuming to know the market, is this a trend affiliate marketers are seeing?

>>2746466
I run mostly video these days. Facebook loves video and gives you cheaper traffic because its more engaging for the users.

I always align the ads with the landing page in order to qualify users. Eg. Make sure the people who click are clicking with the right intent.

So an example would be a movie-style trailer for an online casino. You can be pretty blatant if you're running on an agency Business Manager as it takes a fair amount of negative feedback to flag it.

You can run a click bait title that has little to do with the actual product and find success but I prefer qualifying users as the data you generate for Facebook is more valuable.

>>2746509
Landing pages are your angle - your specific way to sell the product. They are vital. You can't expect to succeed with one landing page for a number of reasons. They become saturated, Facebook starts flagging them, celebrities start suing advertisers etc.

I used to run skincare and these angles are mostly dead so I'll share them as an example.

>Dragon's Den/Shark Tank was huge. So shit like Lory Grenier just invested in this new skincare product and they're offering free trials. The show started suing advertisers so not a good idea to run anymore.

>Doctor Phil just featured this incredible new skincare product on his show and everyone is snapping up the free trials. You only pay for shipping!

>Olay just sued this new skincare product for replicating their formula so the producers are dumping all their stock for free (you only pay for shipping).

All skincare angles need fake Facebook comments, good images, testimonials etc. Don't try apply this style to casino. Casino advertisers are very against celebrities right now. I'm not giving away what's working for casino right now.

>>2746623
>as the data you generate for Facebook is more valuable.

Lemme expand on this a bit. The Facebook pixel is fucking genius. I feed it data so it knows which users are doing what I want them to do.

I can then build a custom audience consisting of everyone who completed the action I wanted. Then I can create a Lookalike Audience based on this custom audience and Facebook will literally give me 2-3 million people similar to those who converted.

>>2746623
dude if u joined this discord that would help so much and help us learn and benefit you possibly with more contacts who are as experienced as you!

>>2744482
>My understanding is kikebook does't want people advertising affiliate links.

What? Really? Is this true?

But wouldn't you be advertising your landing page?

Do people here link directly to the products and not to their landing pages?

Can someone clear this up?

>>2744796
>bro let me give you a nice little red pill. literally all that shit is nonsense. there is not a single fucking thing these people can tell you that you can not figure out on your own.

I read in a lot of places that everything EXCEPT STM 6 week mastery is bullshit. STM is pretty good from what I heard.

>>2740026
SHOPIFY SIGNUP
http://1.shopifytrack.com/SHcf

>>2746647
I'm on the discord as BHCasinoAffiliate and will be leaving this thread now.

>>2746623
It's funny, before these threads I wanted to be a saleswriter, so I already know some shit about advertising and what would make a good landing page.

I think I've got a decent grasp on this whole thing. But there's one last question I have, which is pretty crucial.

You said you go to a bank and claim you're an agency and get a bunch of credit cards for a business, which I assume is so you can make different profiles to blast ads. So is this something I would have to do as well? I'm 19, and Murkan, I don't know if a bank would believe I'm not some con artist if I went in and said I need a bunch of company credit cards. Is there any resource or something that delves deeper into this? I can't imagine it's super easy to explain, especially since I'm in Murka.

Can anyone link to archive for yesterdays thread?

>>2742006
>>2742024
>>2742049

is this illegal or just immoral and gets you banned from facebook

[spoiler]seems like it's a pretty good idea desu[/spoiler]

>>2746768
>>2746768
>>2746768
im a burger btw

>>2746768
It is not illegal unless you're running aggressive celebrity angles in the states. That could get you in trouble. If you're in the states and want to run celebrities you'd best be using anonymous servers and paying for them with BTC.

>>2746883
wait what do you mean by run celebrities and aggressive celebrity angles
like advertising sextapes n sheiit?

What about general marketing? Say like, marketing for a product. Whats the best way to go about it?

I have this idea; pay YouTubers and bloggers to shill your product to the related audience, fitness prduct? Pay fitness YouTubers to shill for you.
Then ofcourse theres ads, like YouTube ads and TV ads, but what am I missing, I know there must be something that would just push it that extra mile.

>>2746899
No like claiming that Celine Dion or Ellen Degenerous endorsed a shammy skincare product on your landing page.

>run garcinia cambogia ads
>hack together clips of dr. oz mentioning it and used his pics and likeliness to promote it
>get tracked down by dr. oz
>dr. oz literally raids your warehouse while you run so the cameras dont get you

funniest thing i've seen in a while kek

>>2746697

nah, he probably just means get a business card like through AMEX which pretty much lets you create "Employee Cards" which are just new credit cards tied to the parent account

What is the best way to create these landing pages in mass? What is the best way to split test them?

>>2740060

We get the last thread yet?

>>2748110
literally the 5th fucking response