Why is Italy trying to sabotage Germany for the second time,

Eu is fucked up and doomed
The bigger countries would only benefit from leaving it

>>2703815
Maybe. But the world wouldn't.
No borders, freedom of movement, freedom of work, EU wide shared social benefits, health insurance in all countries no matter of origin, employee friendly employment laws, environmental regulations, no wars. People will realise what they had once it's gone.
Back to the stone age it is then.
t. German with English GF living in Spain

>>2703846
>EU wide shared social benefits

But that isn't true.
Germany has a generous welfare system, Spain almost none.

Or what'cha mean?

>>2703855
Sorry if I wasn't clear. The welfare systems are implemented by the country but EU regulations apply.
Example:
If you receive job seekers allowance and move abroad within the EU, then you are entitled to receive your job seekers allowance for another 3 months in your new home. This can help a ton (in my case) and wouldn't be possible without EU / cross-country regulation entities

>>2703846
There could easily be a treaty between all the states as it will be with brexit
Europe should be a union of people sharing similar cultures, the economical and political union is not feasible

>>2703846

id be happy to show my passport at the borders if it gets me my country back
dont give a shit about social benefits since Im not a welfare leech

>>2703764
Germans are the enemy of Europe. They must be eradicated.

>>2704382

shitskin detected

>>2703846
>No borders, freedom of movement, freedom of work, EU wide shared social benefits, health insurance in all countries no matter of origin, employee friendly employment laws, environmental regulations, no wars.
feels like my country

no point caring about EU

>>2703764
>Italy
>Sabotage Germany

Hitler attacked Russia, not Italy.

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>>2703764
>being this butthurt about being BTFO in the other thread that you make this pathetic attempt
everybody knows Germany is destroying Europe. The sooner you germs understand this, the lower your punishment you'll be when everyone gets tired of your shit

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>>2703764
>all that italian debt has become german credit
>germans use that credit to buy up all italian industries in competition with their own
>a german is unironically complaining about this

No, seriously, when do we genocide these retarded niggers?

>>2704365
start by giving everyone Europe back

>>2705750
/thread

>>2704365
too late for that

other measures will be needed

>>2703846
It's a weird way to say they will get back their sovereignity and not be forced by the Fuhrer Merkel to welcome legions of hateful muslim men in age to fight.

>>2703764
>how do we stop them?

By cutting public sector funding, pensions and wages in Italy in order to make them competitive again.

>>2705823
>let's keep cutting wages after 7 years of cutting it and during a recession, that will surely propel people to buy more and kickstart the economy
Thank God I am a millionaire, I really don't want to have to mingle on a daily basis with the average moron in this pathetic world

>>2705764
go back to /pol/ with your anti-german conspiracy theories

>>2705890
It's where you come from.

>>2705890
pot calling the kettle black

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>>2705899
>>2705894
shoo, shoo
this is the containment zone for brainlets that blame their pathetic lives on jews, blacks and now the germans

>>>/pol/

>>2703764
THEY FORGOT
"THIS TIME, WITHOUT ITALY"

>>2705913
Then why are you blaming Italians and not Greeks?
Not spaniards? Even France has a lot of debt.

>>2705929
i don't have anything to blame them for, germany is doing great

i'm simply wondering why they're so pathetic

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>>2705913
is this some new form of b8ing where you pretend others have your retardness so nobody can point out how retarded you are?
/pol/ loves germany when it comes to this shit, certainly does not blame it for anything
go back to /pol/ faggot

>>2705929
he is butthurt because I made a thread where I pointed out the fact that Germany is destroying Europe once again through degenerate mercantilism. He got BTFO so now he's memeing to make his pathetic self feel better.

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>>2705913
A cryptoshekel for the good goy

>>2705943
>>2705944
/pol/ hates germany, because we had the audacity to take in the refugees the you italians (and greeks) keep importing

but your memes have no power here, go back

>>2705961
you mean the refugees that you called us "evil racists" for stopping and fined us when we tried to? Then when mommy Merkel says "come to us shitskins of the world" you close your borders and say "lol just kidding, they're all for you Italy"?
The soviets and the US should have genocided you sick fucks.

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>>2703846
>mfw when this all existed before without corporate banking cartel involvement
the more you prop up this corrupt system the more people will suffer when it collapses.

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>>2705961
YOU LITERALLY FORCED US AND ALL OF EUROPE TO PAY FUCKING ERDOGAN TO STOP IMMIGRANTS COMING FROM TURKEY BECAUSE THEY WERE COMING IN GERMANY WITHOUT PASSING THROUGH US, SO THEY STARTED COMING THROUGH ITALY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S ONLY OUR OWN PROBLEM AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT WHILE YOU LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
FUCK YOU GERMAN SUBHUMANS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

German genocide best day of my life

>>2705961
AHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAH

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>>2705992
DAY OF THE FORK WHEN

>>2705869
any bitcoins to a fellow Italian to start trading?
1FaLr4KupL7W8tTzNY8Nbd9C9xncKbTLw1

>>2705979
>>2705992
>racism against blacks
>racism against germans
>genocide fantasies
your "cultural" background is showing, /pol/-tard

and of course it's your problem, it's your border. the lybia-med-italy refugees are black, they're not the same as the syrian civil war refugees.

>>2705932
i'm italian and i'll be coming to germany in a couple months

i'll make sure to fuck as many German blondes as i can find

>>2706040
too bad austria will have closed borders on your brown ass by then, because you're unable to secure yours

>>2706034
I'd rather have germany filled with arabs than germans. At least arabs are honest about trying to genocide infidels, whereas germans cry like little bitches while they strike you down.
I'm not a racist at all

>hurr durr if you point out we are sick fucks you are a racist
fuck off back to r*ddit

> it's your border. the lybia-med-italy refugees are black, they're not the same as the syrian civil war refugees.
we get both blacks and syrian you fucking moron. Also it was you sick fucks from the north that forced us to fuck up Libia, before we had agreements with Geddhafi and he stopped immigrants for us. You sick fucks got jealous about that and literally sabotaged us. You are the scummiest people in existence.

>>2706058
Austria is muslim-based now.

>>2706026
Sorry dear italanon, my crypto portfolio is all locked in ICOs at the moment. I got some juicy deals thanks to my whale status and I FOMO's hard

>>2706064
>.
we get both blacks and syrian you fucking moron. Also it was you sick fucks from the north that forced us to fuck up Libia, before we had agreements with Geddhafi and he stopped immigrants for us. You sick fucks got jealous about that and literally sabotaged us. You are the scummiest people in existence

Fucking /thread

>>2706064
>fuck off back to r*ddit
>genocide infidels

at least try to hide the obvious fact you're a disguisting /pol/ sheep, you crybaby
>waaah, sabotage! jews! whiteys!

just secure your fucking borders and start working for once, then things'll get better, terroni

>>2706040
>i'll make sure to fuck as many German blondes as i can find

Don't forget to remove the fugee dicks first, unless you're into double penetration.

>>2706072
>>2706026
>italians pretend to have money

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

EVERYONE OF YOU HAS $30.000 DEBT PER CAPITA to white countries!

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>>2706085
>HURR DURR CAN'T HEAR YOU
>HURR DURR /POL/ /POL/ /POL/

>>2706094
now you are trying too hard. Last reply from me, baits have become too weak

>>2706096
don't try to imply you haven't been to /pol/, with your germanophobic sophistry and your lack of sense of personal responsibility for your own borders

see where the med sea is? see where you are? where austria is? pro tip: they couldn't get here if you had stopped them beforehand.

>>2706105
so now the official debt figures have become so high they TRIGGER terrones. if that isn't a hint you should start doing debt service, then i simply don't know.

>>2706085
>terroni

Wait wait wait.
Explain pls.

>>2706110
if we stop them you'll call us evil racists and fine us for millions of euros. Ffs spaniards literally had a demonstration in Barcellona about accepting refugees and then closed their ports and told us "fuck you it's your problem".
I am getting sick and tired of this shit, I have become isolationist and campanilist thank to you sick fucks. Fuck Europe and fuck you euroniggers.

>>2706124
we have a primary surplus and our debt hasn't grown nearly as fast as that of spain of other euro countries since 2008. Our debt is literally one of the most sustainable in the world.

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>Posting in an anti-Germany thread
It's like I'm really on /pol/

>>2706161
I don't know about /pol/'s sentiments about Germany, but they deserve hate for trying to destroy Europe 2bh

>>2706142
>>2706142
>I am getting sick and tired of this shit, I have become isolationist and campanilist thank to you sick fucks. Fuck Europe and fuck you euroniggers.

thanks to /pol/, you meant. your favorite board which suggest everything will become better if you just stop trading. good luck using italian microchips, italian oil and gas and, probably worst of all, italian """cars""".

you're at 130% debt-to-gdp, terrone (would be more without stimulus) and you haven't even entered the phase where half of your country is retired yet.

i wonder what italy will do with 40% pensioners and 40% unemployed youth.

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WHY IS ALL OF MY MONEY IN ARK YOU FAGGOTS TOLD ME TO BUY AT $1.00 AND NOW IT'S $.52 I LOST 4000 DOLLLLLLLAAAAAAAARRRRSSSS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2706186
>says our industries got fucked
>doesn't realise they got fucked because of the Euro
>implying we have 30% yough unemployment before the Euro

thanks for proving my point

>>2706173
of course you know, you constantly repeat them like a broken record. wonder if you ever held a conversation with people without quoting your /pol/ idols pepe, donald trump, farage, lauren southern and the cringeworthy rest of bottom feeders

>>2706201
>muh evil globalists

i got your excuse, terrone, i processed it, and i have to tell you: it's shit look for another one

we austrians had rising unemployment as well, and we reversed the trend

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>>2706202
your obsession for /pol/ borders on the mentally ill. Get your tiny brain check retard.

>>2706212
>we austrians had rising unemployment as well, and we reversed the trend

you astrian niggers got billions and billions of debt forgiven by Germany like a year ago, you didn't reverse shit. You are just a small insgnificant piece of mountain feces-throwing niggers that is easier to bailout.
>i-it's ok, when we get indebted it's not our fault, when others do they are mongrel subhumans
and then you wonder why we have to bomb you once in a while?

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>>2706213
>spouts /pol/ memes about evil globalist germans non-stop
>complains when he's debunked

yeah, boi, there's a world outside of /pol/ and your "arguments" don't work here

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>>2706212
>>2706234

>since the crisis, Austrian debt went up half of the amount the italian one went up, despite Austria having 1/7 of the population
AHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH

>>2706228
look at our unemployment trend. we reversed it. and we never had 40% youth unemployment in the first place, because we are a first world country unlike you

look do they teach how to read a graph in naples? or only drug dealing and NEETing? judging by your job stats, it's the latter.

>>2706259
yeah, i surely take fee fees from someone standing at 130% and rising seriously.

oh, wait, wait, wait ... i don't. interesting. tough luck, pal.

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>>2706261
>>2706259
a first world country getting in debt much faster than us? Even despite getting a lot of your debt towards germany forgiven? Keep telling yourself that delusional faggot

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>>2706279
our debt isn't a big problem because we have a lot of household savings and people own property, whereas you niggers rent for all your lives and save nothing.
So our 130% is really nothing, and it's not like 84% is so much lower. In fact, it is much more worrying the fact that your debt is growing at such a fast rate. You are literally fucked, Germany can't save your ass forever just because "muh separated germans".

>>2706280
yeah, first world country, because ppl here have jobs and a professional education system and, therefore, aspirations and prospects, so they don't have to browse /pol/ and blame germany out of desperation.

i don't remember us receiving debt relief, either.

>>2706299
first crying about how germans buy your lazy asses for peanuts and now suddenly it's ITALY STRONK xD

typical /pol/ megalomania.

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>>2706320
>this is what austrians cucks tell themselves despite all the evidence of the contrary
>dat delusion
>dat cognitive dissonance

can't fabricate such occurrences family

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>>2706026
You sound like a nigger asking for change on the the street.
Oh wait, you're Italian...

>>2706345
care to compare employment, debt, wages, basically ANYTHING? :D

have you ever been outsite of naples, actually? there are faraway countries where the young have jobs and the politicians differ from the mafia, you know?

>>2706369
bait became too weak again

>>2706376
calling hard facts and statistics bait again

the absolute state of terrones: statistics are bait. math is bait. germans are evil. italians good. the very truth is bait.

>>2706384
>>2706259
you already got BTFO here anon, no need to further humiliate yourself

>>2706396
is that a /pol/tard last resort? outright denying statistics?

italian debt: 130%
austrian debt: 80%

austrian unemployment: 9%
italian unemployment: four digits

>>2706409
general unemployment in Italy is 11%, you fucking moron

>>2706409
>italian debt: 130%
>austrian debt: 80%

your debt percentage-wise is going up much higher than ours. Keep humiliating yourself, it's amusing

>>2706419
its triple that for new entrants, that's why your young women are cuming to my university, in hopes of a first world life italy could never provide

>>2706443
no shit, the euro fucked us real bad so in the last 8 years no new jobs have been created, since we have been in a fucking recession. This just further proves how much better off we were before the euro and how harmful it's been for us. Thank you for proving my point once again brainlet

>>2705932
Because the euro fucked their industry badly, unlike germans and dutch they don't have big conglomerates like Siemens or VW which can do big economies of scale, most of their companies are middle sized and are networked to each other, very decentralized overall.

Northern Italy used to carry everyone but now they are crippled by the euro and must sell at higher price than they would without this currency they are pretty much stucked in a death spiral.

>>2706432
yeah, under a highly specific, insignificant angle italy actually looks more like a first world country than austria. thanks to pointing that out.

i think i begin to understand why greeks and italians once were the spearheads of civilization, but are now the lowest of debtors (170% and 130%)

it's your illogical, pre-modern, /pol/-tier way of thinking. i think the average italian still believes in curses, jinxes and fairies. let's hope they protect your from the incoming migrant waves, because your coast guard surely doesn't

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>>2706481
>yeah, under a highly specific, insignificant angle italy actually looks more like a first world country than austria. thanks to pointing that out.
what is the point of pretending everything is fine if you are managing it by going into debt so much? You are fucked.

>i think i begin to understand why greeks and italians once were the spearheads of civilization, but are now the lowest of debtors (170% and 130%)
lmao, it was impossible not to get in debt, it's literally how the euro was conceived, it would have happened to any country on the short end of the stick

>it's your illogical, pre-modern, /pol/-tier way of thinking. i think the average italian still believes in curses, jinxes and fairies. let's hope they protect your from the incoming migrant waves, because your coast guard surely doesn't
you accuse me of being /pol/ then you go on a mindless racist rant. Amazing, just amazing.
It's incredible how stubborn and oblivious germans are until you bomb them into oblivion and rape all their women. It's like you people are unconsciously asking for it.

>>2706459
so i'm proving your point by pointing out how pathetic italy is. seems like we're finally having a consensus!

i'm very eager to prove your point again:
german minimum wage: $10
albanian minimum wage: $0
afghanistan minimum wage: $0.40
italian minimum wage: $0

>>2706511
>minimum wage
what is this SJW faggotry? Fuck off

>>2706502
ah, the euro conspiracy again. proposed by the french and signed up by everyone else, but it's still germany's fault.

and staying below 100% debt-to-gdp is, of course, impossible by default. unless you're a non-italian. then, you might just make it.

i'm austrian, not german. if even self-proclaimed italian millionaires can't tell and memorize the difference, what would the intellectual capability of yr average italian be? no wonder you're going down the gutter.

>>2706529
>SJW
>farage maymays
>globalist conspiracies explain why youre unemployed

your containment board is waiting, sweetie.

>>2706502

>lmao, it was impossible not to get in debt
>rape all their women

wow italians really are the niggers of europe
who wouldve thought

>>2706538
>ah, the euro conspiracy again
the one you literally proved me right about some posts earlier? lmao you fucking retard.
> proposed by the french and signed up by everyone else, but it's still germany's fault.
germany is at fault for willfully enacting policies that they knew would fuck everyone over instead of following the economic guidelines and the objective of collaboration and unity. Yes, it's their fucking fault for doing that.

>and staying below 100% debt-to-gdp is, of course, impossible by default. unless you're a non-italian. then, you might just make it.
The supposed eurozon target for debt is under 60%, so why aren't you ubermensch following it? Could it be that you're just full of shit and conveniently shitting on those who are hit the hardest by the degenerate mercantilism of Germany because you are all deluded it's about some anthropological and ethnical reason and not due to macroeconomics? Fucking retard.

>i'm austrian, not german. if even self-proclaimed italian millionaires can't tell and memorize the difference, what would the intellectual capability of yr average italian be? no wonder you're going down the gutter.
You are culturally german, although in a different country. Your variety of German is prett much the same as that spoken in Bavaria, the only reason your country exists is because of WW2 and the need to limit german political power. Don't pretend you are different people you fucking moron. You are not speaking to your retarded friends from your uneducated shithole

>>2706548
minimum wage is literal gibsmedat and is a communist idea

>>2706570
I didn't say I want to rape their women you fucking idiot, learn how to read

>>2706299
>having faith thanks to the housing market

It always end badly. Like, really badly. Humanity keeps doing the same mistakes.

>>2706594
*in Bayern

>>2706597
I was just pointing out the different credit and savings situations of people in Italy and Austria. Having properties has nothing to do with the recent avolution of the housing market. Has nobody here ever opened an economics book and just reacts to key words with memes?

>>2706594

yo bro
why you so mad though?
did a german like, fuck your gf or something?

>>2706597
in the housing bubble those people didn't own houses you idiot, they were still paying for them, they didn't own them. I am not speaking about that.

germany is going to shit within the next 25 years. No hope with all the whitecucks and the supposedly conservative party suddenly sucking dicks left and right, being gay as fuck and getting cucked 24/7.
Its unbearable hearing older folks (60+) talk about old times and how they percieve changes of the past years. Im 31 and it seems younger people (millenials?) dont seem to care, they welcome multiculturism. Everyone closer to 30 is aware on whats going on. 60+ are downright confused and shocked how things turned to shit so fast.

tl;dr: bye bye western europe

>>2706618
No, I know many people that are unemployed and have to slave away with no rights while they are told by pampered german cucks that they are living beyond their means, that they should cut their wages and suck Merkel's cock. That's what I am angry about.

>>2706594
>gibsmedat
>communist

oh, the company you use to keep is showing sooo much, /pol/-tard. without the labor movement, you would still work 60h weeks for less than the cost of groceries.

...oh, wait. you still often are. you're italian.

>>2706633

there are many unemployed people in germany too you know...

>>2706636
>without the labor movement, you would still work 60h weeks for less than the cost of groceries.
minimum wage goes against labor you fucking moron, it's a right-wing idea

>...oh, wait. you still often are. you're italian.
oh look, more racism from the pot calling the kettle black. Kys.

>>2706633

and how exactly do they have to slave away if theyre unemployed
like what are you even talking about?

>>2706645
do you have 40% youth unemployment? Do you have mass media 24/7 telling people if they don't want to pay to work (yes, you heard that right) they are entitled assholes? I thought so

>>2706652
They get (((jobs))) where they are paid with (((expenses refunds))), so they earn exactly 0 euros at the end of the month, then their contract finishes and they are not hired. Just one of the many examples.

>>2706655

so how is that germanys fault?
seems to me you got fucked over by the euro, no?

>>2706669
>seems to me you got fucked over by the euro, no?
yes but guess who used the euro as a weapon to fuck everyone over? Germany did.

>>2706594
you haven't followed the guidelines either, by bailing out your banks with taxpayer money yet again and overshooting inflation targets. since you italians are deprived of your only available trick, inflate your lack of competitiveness away, you're left bare for what you are.

>naples education
austria was an powerful empire at a time when germany didn't even exist as a nation. we also literally owned bavaria.

>>2706614
>>2706620
Housing market prices are always tied up to the interests rate. When those go up (not saying the will, but they can), your housing market will amount to nothing.

You can say Italians own their houses all you want, if interests goes to like 5%, prices will do a -50% over a few years. You might have a roof over your head, but if you entered right at the peak, you basically burned half your money. Then economy goes up to the shitter because most of the people can't spend money (a few will benefit from this though, the boomers as always), and there goes your growth. Then the 130% debt becomes unsustainable. Then the country is bankrupt.

That's how it works. That's how it always worked.

>>2706673

so why did you get onboard with the euro then
if its so bad for you?
also why you say (((jobs)))? are you complaining about germans or jews now?

you really confuse the hell out of me italibro

>>2706633
>germans are pampered
>they're underselling us, tho!

you literally cannot make this "argumentation" up.
oh, wait, you can. you're making it up.

at least you're admitting how bad the situation in italy is now

>>2706649
>minimum wage goes against labor you fucking moron, it's a right-wing idea

sure it is. conservative parties absolutely love it and jack it up all the time.
with that kind of economic understanding, no wonder italy looks like it does.

>>2706674
>you haven't followed the guidelines either, by bailing out your banks with taxpayer money yet again and overshooting inflation targets
you fucking morons bailout your banks and companies all the time as if it's nothing, even big banks and big companies as opposed to the small and regional ones in italy.
We overshoot inflation targets by an insignificant margin whereas you undercut them massively and purposedly.
>since you italians are deprived of your only available trick, inflate your lack of competitiveness away, you're left bare for what you are.
you complain about /pol/ and then you use right-wing economics ideas to justify your ignorance? Devaluation is just the result of price discovery between currencies that are goods like everything else. Fixed-exchange rates like the Euro go against economical literature of the last fucking century.

>>2706680
our housing market is extremely centralized, our housing prices barley went down after the 2008 crisis. Most people have bought their houses a long time ago, they didn't buy them recently, so this whole argument is pointless.

>>2706684
>so why did you get onboard with the euro then
european politicians were retarded enough to think that Germany wanted european cooperation just like them. After the crisis, a lot of delusional politicians from countries like Finland and France think they are part of "the strong group", which in truth is only Germany, and so they always support german decisions. Since unilaterally exiting especially for a weaker country is almost impossible, you have this impasse. The austrian cuck itt is just proof of what I'm saying, thinking he's hot shit because he isn't greece, he's like a frog in heating water.
>also why you say (((jobs)))? are you complaining about germans or jews now?
in Europe germans are the jews

>>2706719
*rates currencies

>>2706719

dude why dont you just leave the EU then?
britain did it too
are you sure your economy isnt just in the shitter because you people are notoriously lazy and corrupt?

>>2706719
>you fucking morons bailout your banks and companies all the time as if it's nothing, even big banks and big companies as opposed to the small and regional ones in italy.
[citation needed]
monte de paschi is/was your 3th largest bank, btw

>Fixed-exchange rates like the Euro go against economical literature of the last fucking century.
gee, it's almost as if the italians agreed to that

>in Europe germans are the jews
>>>/pol/

>>2706731
>dude why dont you just leave the EU then?
to leave the EU we would have to leave the Eurozone, and doing that unilaterally is impossible for many obvious reasons. You can't just get out of a common currency like that, the European politicians would have too much power to literally destroy us (and they would find out we are trying to do it even if we tried to do it in private).
People in Italy tried to get rid of Berlusconi for 20 years, and it only took him inviting the president of Greece to discuss leaving the Euro in 2011 for him to get eternally BTFO after one simple (((letter))) from the ECB. This is how much power over us these people have.

>are you sure your economy isnt just in the shitter because you people are notoriously lazy and corrupt?
as a german economist pointed out, Italy has had a perceived problem with corruption since the times of Rome, and it's never been a major problem to its economic growth, so why should the year 2000 suddenly make it so? Clearly the adoption of the euro is a more likely culprit for such a repentine and drastic turn of events.

>>2706748
>monte de paschi is/was your 3th largest bank, btw
monte dei paschi has gotten a thousand times smaller since like 10 years, I should know since I lived in Siena for some time

>gee, it's almost as if the italians agreed to that
everyone agreed to that. The idea was that the crises this system generated would have been used to bring forward a fiscal and then political union, but instead germans used it to fuck everyone over and suck them dry like the parasites they are. Around Germans, never relax. With Germans you lose.

>>2706768

your fellow italibro draghi already admitted its possible to leave the eurozone
you just have to pay off your denbts
when are you paying off your denbts italy?
arent you owing germany like 400 billion euros or something?

seems to me those germans have been pretty patient with you folks

>>2706782
>your fellow italibro draghi already admitted its possible to leave the eurozone
he's bullshitting
>you just have to pay off your denbts
why should debtors only be held accountable? The person that lends too much is just as accountable as the one that borrows too much.
>when are you paying off your denbts italy?
there are no denbts you fucking moron. Study macroeconomics. Should Oklahoma pay their debts to California? Should Denver pay their denbts to Houston?
>arent you owing germany like 400 billion euros or something?
no we aren't

>seems to me those germans have been pretty patient with you folks
lmao kys you fucking cuck, we have been too patient with Germany. I haven't even described 1/10 of their crimes.
I am just here to warn you faggots. Germns will pay for this, Europe won't forget what they have been doing, certainly not the 40% unemployed youth

>>2706782
>muh denbts

please educate yourself

http://webtv.camera.it/evento/11497

>>2706812

>The person that lends too much is just as accountable as the one that borrows too much.

lolwut

>no we aren't

it says right here you owe them a shitload of money
http://www.reuters.com/article/eurozone-bank-italy-target-idUSI6N1D3007
and that you keep borrowing more
why do you borrow more money if youre broke?
maybe youre not good with money in italy. is it that?

>>2703764
Sooner crappy "union" of eu will fall - the better. For Europeans.

The less merkel and "people" like her have power over eu territory - better.

>>2706768
>People in Italy tried to get rid of Berlusconi for 20 years
Speaks volumes about the efficiency of your political system

>but instead germans used it to fuck everyone over and suck them dry like the parasites they are
... by lowering their labor costs mostly through tax reforms. for every 1 euro of wage, employers pay 20 cent to the state in germany -- and 37 cent in italy. that's far more significant than the miniscule and temporary wage supression effects of the agenda 2010

>I haven't even described 1/10 of their crimes.
better get going, because so far, all you've been able to prove is they've slightly undercut the inflation rate in years of reform

>>2705702
>employee friendly employment laws
>no wars
>social benefits
>health insurance

Please, for the love of god, tell me you aren't talking about the US.

>>2706840
>lolwut
I guess banks in 2008 did nuffing wrong then, we should have saved Lehmann Brothers

>it says right here you owe them a shitload of money
wow is this the power of american education? That isn't even about german banks, it's about the ECB you fucking cuck. Did you just google that shit? literally kys
>and that you keep borrowing more
because in europe there is no national currency, everyone has to borrow from financial markets instead of just printing it, which is literal suicide. It's a system literally designed to destroy european economies, not that I expect you to understand any of this.
>maybe youre not good with money in italy. is it that?
fuck off with your nigger baits

>>2705764
>my country can't compete in technology & research
>Germany is destroying Europe
:^)

>>2706851
>Speaks volumes about the efficiency of your political system
way to miss the point cuck

>... by lowering their labor costs mostly through tax reforms. for every 1 euro of wage, employers pay 20 cent to the state in germany -- and 37 cent in italy. that's far more significant than the miniscule and temporary wage supression effects of the agenda 2010
that's not how you did it, please educate yourself about your own country moron.

>better get going, because so far, all you've been able to prove is they've slightly undercut the inflation rate in years of reform
slighly ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha
Hey, don't complain to me when in 10 years you are killed in cold blood

>>2705774
alternative fact...prove it

>>2706878
>>my country can't compete in technology & research
wrong

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>>2706867

lol
are you saying you DONT owe a shitload of money to germany?
because this chart cleary says you do
is this chart lying?

also why should a creditor be held responsible for denbts? if they loan too much to shitty countries then they dont get their money back and go broke, thats that.

>>2706883
yeah, slightly. because german wages are still much, much higher. they're higher than austrian ones, which, in turn, are far higher than italian ones.

when they're supposedly undercutting you, why do they have much higher living standards? could it have something to do with productivity?

>>2706888
>prove it
nothing is created nor destroyed, Europe is pretty much a closed market.
I can't dumb it down any more than this

>>2706902
>target2
you are citing things you don't understand
our banks are indebted to french banks, not so much to german ones. Contrary to german banks, italian banks had very little exposure to toxic derivatives, which is the real reason why Draghi used the "bazooka". As usual, Germany uses Europe to save their ass and then calls everyone a lazy corrupted fuck for not sucking their cock. But then again I am never going to convince you cucks of any of this, you are illiterate morons.

>>2706909
>yeah, slightly. because german wages are still much, much higher. they're higher than austrian ones, which, in turn, are far higher than italian ones.
as usual, you prove that you don't understand how economics work and keep repeating bullshit
>when they're supposedly undercutting you, why do they have much higher living standards? could it have something to do with productivity?
they don't have higher living standards at all, certainly not before the adoption of the euro you fucking moron.

>>2706173
>I don't know about /pol/'s sentiments about Germany,
/pol/:
When the US beats Germany by some metric, it's because Germany is full of immigrants.

When Germany beats the US by some metric, it's because of black people in the US.

>>2706909
>could it have something to do with productivity?
Germany would have nobody to sell their products to due to wage suppression if it wasn't for the eurozone absorbing all their shit Aldi cheap outlet shit

>>2706902
>also why should a creditor be held responsible for denbts? if they loan too much to shitty countries then they dont get their money back and go broke, thats that.
ok so banks in 2008 did nothing wrong. Should we have saved Lehman Brothers? Yes or no anon?

>>2706926

wait a minute OP
didnt you say that italy owes money to germany, and thats how they screw you over?
now you say you dont owe them money?

are you sure you got your facts straight?

>Contrary to german banks, italian banks had very little exposure to toxic derivatives

why are all these italian banks collapsing then?
seems to me these germans are pretty good people. and you seem pretty angry at them for some reason.

>>2706944

i dont think we shouldve bailed them out, no
you do bail out a lot of banks in italy though
is this also the fault of the germans?

>>2706948
>are you sure you got your facts straight?
I got my facts right, you are just too retarded to understand them. It's not bank exposure the problem, it's the macroeconomic imbalances due to german mercantilism paired with a common currency without a political union that are the problem.
>why are all these italian banks collapsing then?
because of an 8 year long recession? As long as we are in the euro complete collapse is the only result possible. That includes germany too btw, cutting the branch you are sitting on only has one end result.
>seems to me these germans are pretty good people. and you seem pretty angry at them for some reason.
I think "maybe he's just a moron", but then you write bait like this and it's obvious to me you are just pretending

>>2706963
Germany bails out their banks and companies all the time and nobody bats an eye. Google "Air berlin"
>i dont think we shouldve bailed them out, no
ok so Italy shouldn't pay debts to Germany, glad we agree

>I got my facts right, you are just too retarded to understand them. It's not bank exposure the problem, it's the macroeconomic imbalances due to german mercantilism paired with a common currency without a political union that are the problem.

so do you owe them money or not?

>ok so Italy shouldn't pay debts to Germany, glad we agree

uh what? I didnt say that
I just think you should pay your denbts
you do owe them a lot of money after all
are you ever going to pay those denbts?

>>2707013
>so do you owe them money or not?
confirmed for too retarded to understand. Wether we owe them money or not is irrelevant.

>I just think you should pay your denbts
You can't say Lehmann Brothers shouldn't have been bailed out and then say that Italy should bail out Germany. Lending irresponsibly is something to be held accountable, yes or no? Why should we fix Germany's error to lend irresponsibly?
You have to choose, you can't choose differently in this instance just because you like to suck german cock.

>>2707041

>confirmed for too retarded to understand. Wether we owe them money or not is irrelevant.

lol youre still not answering the question

>You can't say Lehmann Brothers shouldn't have been bailed out and then say that Italy should bail out Germany.

what??
i think youre really confused now
paying back denbts is not the same as a bailout
not at all

>>2707050
>lol youre still not answering the question
I already answered it here >>2706980

>>2707050
>paying back denbts is not the same as a bailout
It is. A bailout is about paying the debts of people who got bankrupted because they lent irresponsably and the capital they gave away has faded away. That's exactly what Germany did. They lent irresponsibly and now they need a bailout to save their banks from collapsing.
So which is which, anon? Do irresponsible lenders deserve to be bailed out or not?

so you DO owe germany a lot of money?
why didnt you just say that?
and I dont think you really understand what a bailout is lol
germany is not collapsing so you are not bailing them out by any means. youre just paying back your denbts. or not I guess.
so are you gonna pay back those denbts or not?

>>2707092
>so you DO owe germany a lot of money?
we don't owe germany a lof of money at all, I have already explained you our banks are exposed with french banks and not german ones. German banks are exposed to toxic derivatives despite the "bazooka" by Draghi with the sole purpose of helping them fill the mess they made. Germany banks are actually much worse off than ours.

>and I dont think you really understand what a bailout is lol
I do and I have even explained it to you
>germany is not collapsing so you are not bailing them out by any means. youre just paying back your denbts. or not I guess.
Germany has a lot of credits to debtors that cannot pay them, right? Germany has clearly lent money irresponsibly knowing they couldn't pay back, because they thought they could use their politicl influence to force them to pay even if it means destroying their economies and the livelihood of the people that live there (which they have succeeded in so far).
That means that paying denbts means literally bail them out. It is obvious to me you are a desperate german cuck who will never want to see the truth, but this is the truth.
Germany lent irresponsibly money just like Lehman Brothers did in 2008. So you either think it's right to bail both out, or to bail none of them out. Which do you choose?