This legitimately freaks me the fuck out

>>2006459
Why are you so afraid?
Buy the dip.

>>2006459
Nope. Not gonna happen. There are too many people who 'buy the dip' atm. The only possibility of an 70-80% market correction would be something similar to WW3 breaking out, with a superior enemy (Or team or superior enemies) specifically targeting the United States or attempting to destroy the financial system.

An 80% market correction would require a nuke hitting NYC, or an assassination of the president, or some TRULY messed up destruction of fundamental investing.

>>2006459
Do like me and just buy 3x leveraged inverse ETFs

>>2006510
LOL, you don't know what fear does to people. Back in 07-08, they were jumping from buildings. People thought it was the end for everything and everybody.

>>2006517
You are right. The DOW dropped from 13,000 to around 6,500. So a 50% drop. And you are right. People 'thought' it was the end of everything and everyone. But there were other people. And those people were like 'Its time to buy the dip'.

>>2006517
This, stupid people make bad things happen

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>>2006524
everyday i PRAY for a market valuation collapse

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>>2006551

>>2006517
>they were jumping out of buildings

Never happened.
Suicide meme is used in every public disaster. Next you'll say brokers were jumping out of buildings in 1929, but that's urban legend as well with no shred of proof.

>>2006525
It can also make people rich. Anyone who invests immediately after a cash will profit.

remember HFTS are around and allow price discovery and recovery much more faster

>>2006459
OP your chart is literally already wrong. According to it we should already be halfway down the slide.

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>>2006597
or the "HFTS" over react to outlier cumulation and cause a faster and deeper crash.

>>2006605
If you don't think we're in another bubble with student debt alone you're delusional.

Dip is coming.

>>2006629
He's right though. The chart is completely wrong.

>>2006629
>student debt alone
Does this mean there an opportunity to short the student debt market?

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>>2006459
>Never happened.

>>2006629
Well, heres the kicker:

>When?

When is the dip coming?

>2013: The US debt is unsustainable!
>2014: Housing prices are in a bubble!
>2015: Stocks are overvalued!
>2016: Student loan crisis!
>2017: Subprime auto loans!

When is the dip coming? Everyone and their mother has been waiting for fucking ever.

>>2006608
breakers and more regulation now

>>2006629
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

>>2006633
Yup, people have already discovered there are firms buying those student-debt bonds, repacking em, then slappping on that AAA rating.

08 all over again incoming

>>2006656
>student debt
>AAA
What the fuck?

>>2006652
1. Us has always been in debt, if the us defaults, then that's game over. Every professional knows this.

2. Not even close to 08, plus in 14' housing prices are so inflated people couldnt afford the money down for homes.

3. Literally no one would be upset about this

4. Yes

5. Yes

Retard

>>2006671
>upset
I don't think you understand what "overvalued" means

>>2006587
A ton of bankers have been suicided recently

>>2006674
Well yeah, a gambler like you investing in only startups and cryptos who literally doesn't even know what a bond is: >>2006658 would think thay overvalued stocks are inherently bad.

>>2006459
If you're worried about a big sell off, only buy dividend paying stocks that will have a safe dividend even in a big sell off. That way you'll still generate a reasonable income while the stock market is down as you're not relying on value.

Then when the stock market does crater, buy like crazy as you'll dollar cost average any value loss that happened from the crash and come out ahead by the future recovery and dividend gain.

Remember, there's always a way to hedge the market if you're worried.

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>>2006685
It doesn't mean "inherently bad."
It means "good chance of a correction."
That's why it's concerning.

what are some good tickers to buy once its fucked lads?

>>2006696
domino effect. ride fucking inverse etfs, gold, silver. maybe citigroup starts picking up, then 2 weeks later BaC.

>>2006459
>>2006551
>>2006566
kek this is why technical analysis is dumb

>>2006517
> Back in 07-08, they were jumping from buildings.

No, they were not. They were buying the DIP, that is why it recovered so quickly.

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>>2006654
hft is a meme. who do u think programs the algorithms?

>>2006724
people scalping out people with million dollar orders every day

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>>2006735
if a few million dollar order affects your trading strategy you need to rethink your entire approach to trading.

Naa we'd start a war. Circuit breakers would trigger. Bailouts would commence. Buy the dip.

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>>2006959

>Bailouts

How? and fuckin why?

>>2006724
rely makes u think

>>2006757

Hedge funds have special brokers that would never serve the retail trader, its another game just trying to get your position on with bigger positions. No matter what, the market makers see them miles away and scalp them out because they can

>>2006517
>Back in 07-08, they were jumping from buildings.
Why would you lie? You're either legitimately retarded or shilling parachutes to noobs.

>>2006652
2009: Dead cat bounce!
2010: Fake rally!
2011: Slowdown signals the end is near!
2012: The fundamentals are terrible!
>>2013: The US debt is unsustainable!
>>2014: Housing prices are in a bubble!
>>2015: Stocks are overvalued!
>>2016: Student loan crisis!
>>2017: Subprime auto loans!

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>>2007101
i'm guessing you day trade penny stocks and your here bitching and trying to refocus blame on your constant misfortunes from your own fundamental ignorance ?

Over 80% is all-out nuke war or alien invasion, so below 1%.

The dip will start sometime in 2018. Unless you have down syndrome, you will buy LEAPS puts on the S&P 500 before the end of this year, and make leveraged profits the entire way down the dip, without incurring any leveraged risk.

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>>2006459
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>>2006652
All of the above are still true. It just means that the longer we go without a correction, the bigger the crash will be.

The best time to buy stocks is when it crashes. I don't see the problem with this. It's how Warren Buffet got rich during the Depression. The market will naturally make its way up again.

>>2006459
>technical analysis
>ever

>>2007446
>It's how Warren Buffet got rich during the Depression.
>Warren Buffet was born in 1930
>The great depression ended in 1939
Wow, I didn't know nine year olds could trade stocks.

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If any of you say the consumer report from friday you could see that the end has already started. Every single retail store is essentially worthless. The reits that own the land/stores that those stores are on is worthless. Companies that are currently worth billions/trillions in combined market cap are essentially worthless. Everyone is slowly getting there jobs fucked by online shopping/robotics. Everyone will be poor there will be no jobs and companies like amazon and other e companies will be essentially worthless because everyone will be living in poverty. Market collapse complete neets will inherit the earth.

>>2006459

Why the fuck is the chart logarithmic

>>2006656
So who will be impacted? Will college institutions go bust from not getting the money, will they ask for our diplomas back or revoke them? or will the banks go bust? Honestly wondering.

>production designer currently paying heavy student loans

>>2006656
Thing is, the 2008 crash was predictable in the sense that if you knew the packages contained subprime mortgages you could deduce shit was going to hit the fan the moment the rates were adjusted. What is the trigger going to be with the student loans? Millions of exstudents suddenly defaulting on their debt, how and when?

>>2006510
War with China would do it. That will likely not happen...

>>2007153
Reminder that this guy fell asleep during surgery while doing his internship.
Reminder that this guy had no formal training in financing.
Reminder this guy basically just read Security Analysis&co and applied that shit to the stock market.
Reminder that because this guy let Mr Market be his servant, not his guide, and read up on his shit he picked up on all the red flags leading up to 2008.
Reminder this guy was making big bucks long before 2008.

Reminder that if you think only massive institutions "in the know" can make money on the market, then you are nothing like this guy, which is a shame because this guy is pretty dope.

>>2007172

>LEAPS puts on the S&P 500

please xplain in normie

>>2008435
Sorry, who is this guy and what movie is this?

>>2008348
Whoever holds the debt will be impacted since they won't be getting paid (assuming the scenario happens and a good portion of students default on their loans).
Now when you bring derivatives into the picture like CDS shit gets real fucking messy because these instruments can generally not handle mass defaults, they themselves default and then before you know it and you are up shitcreek domino alley with shit defaulting left right and center (sorta like 2008).
Of course the question is why, how and when would all these students fail to pay their debts.

In 2008 mortgages were being sold to people who couldn't really afford them, but then being passed as triple A nonetheless by clever repackaging of these mortgages. People and funds all over the country buy into this because "lol who doesn't pay their mortgage?" then along comes the rate adjustment of the in fact anything but triple A mortgages and people start to default on their mortgages, they become virtually worthless. Rating agencies are corrupt and keep the rating high for long enough to allow the big players to unload these now worthless defaulted mortgages after which the ratings are adjusted and everything just fucking plummets.

Basically for the same to be true for studentloans, studentloans would have to be given to students who can not realistically ever hope to cover the costs, but being past of as if they could anyway (i.e. triple A).

The people who shorted the housing market in 08 identified the trigger which they expected to cause the crash (rate adjustment of mortgages), if you can't identify a potential trigger for a potential student loan crash then you have no idea when to short and will just be throwing money down the drain.

>>2008471
The movie is the Big Short, the guy has his name on the table in that picture.
He is educated as MD but turned his financing hobby into his actual job in, I believe, his late twenties early thirties or so. He is generally followed the ideas of value investing and made a lot of money in doing so, made a bit of a name for himself and got to manage a hedge fund. He used this fund to make extremely big $$$ by shorting the housing market in 08.

>>2008466
LEAPS are just long term options, so they have a few years before they expire, unlike other options that have months. An option comes in two major forms, a call and a put. A put is something that says "I have the right to sell at X price after a given time" and a call is something that says "I have to buy at X price after a given time."

So a put is the ability to sell, and a call is the ability to buy, at a given price. Depending on the time horizon or price, the cost of this option changes, it can be used as either a way to make money or to just hedge and buy insurance. All options are bought for increments of 100 shares of a stock.

Some people do a lot with options, others don't really touch them at all. The market is vast and allows for many methods of trading and investing.

>>2008482

Oh I didnt get you werent talking about registered shares.

I am new to this.

>>2008475
Isn't the thing about student loans that they can't be defaulted on realistically and most are FAFSA loans, so they eventually eat into the social security of the person that has them? It feels like the student loan bubble is more about allowing social security to exist, than actually people making money as they are government backed.

I guess the loans can be sold to other companies, but how often does that happen?

>>2008481
Thanks, I'll have to look into it. Outside from the property I bought around the '08 period I know very little about the names and such that surround the real estate market. It's always interesting to see what investors think about it though.

>>2008488
Sorry, that wasn't my post originally, I was just defining options and what the other person was talking about.

>>2008494

What do you think of buying registered shares of greek debt banks right now?

Cuz they will, they MUST, explode at some point when Greece will recover.

>>2008496
Not a lot really, I don't do too much with emerging markets and really I just avoid Greece as a whole since I'm not a fan of their economy as a whole.

One thing to know about the market as a whole though, is that it's a huge place and there are tons of different things to do in it, there's really no one correct way. So when someone claims that there is, it's usually good to take their views with a grain of salt.

>>2008234
Retail and fast food should never have existed anyway. They're cultural abominations

>>2008504

Any guides, magazines, websites, podcasts etc. to get into the whole /biz/ thing?

>>2008512
There really aren't any guides, it's too murky of a thing.

As for sights, I think Seeking Alpha is usually a good place to read things, but not to take advice. There have been some controversies there, and it's very junky, but it's a good place to start thinking about things. Warning though, Seeking Alpha can be a real meme sometimes.

As for taking things further, MorningStar (M*) is a good resource, they have some articles and videos, but really they just have a good layout and can look up a lot of information for free from them. Then visit the company webpage from there for any stock you look up, and find the "investor relations" section to learn what you need. Plus M* has all the 10Q and 10K filings so you don't need to go to the SEC website if you want financials.

If you're really new and want a starter guide. I think Martin Shkreli made a good youtube series about basic concepts, it's a bit cringy at times but covers a lot of the basics. Don't take everything he says for fact, but try to understand where he's coming from, just search up "Martin Shkreli" on youtube.

Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger also put out news letters and such consistently which can be good light reading.

>>2008524

Thanks for your effort

>>2008544
No problem, I'm off for now.

Though remember, a lot of the market isn't about mooning or whatever, it's about making a plan and understanding when to get in or get out. That doesn't just mean when to buy or sell in one go with all of your funds, but rather how to dollar cost average and such things like that. It's the same as when Peter Lynch says "invest in what you know", it doesn't mean buy shit that you use, it means buy stock you can understand in terms of BV, EPS, and so forth. You only really have to be right 3 out of 5 times if you understand how to mitigate loss and why you're buying something. I mean you can make all the right choices, and still get the wrong out come, the same is true for the opposite though.

>>2008493
The student loans used to be 100% privately owned with the government guaranteeing "here and there", Clinton and later changed this. Right now pretty much all student loan debts are either owned or guaranteed by the US government, or in short the taxpayer. There are still some privately owned student loans though which are not guaranteed, on paper you could short these if for some reason you expect the student loans to be defaulted on for some reason.
A massive crash like 2008 is absolutely not possibly through a mass student loan debt default alone, as well over 90% of it has the US government as guarantor, or the government as owner (and in effect then the taxpayer as guarantor). The US government would have to default for student loan debts alone to become a market concern.

That Doctor investor from the film was never really that involved in real estate btw. he made the big money's by realizing mortgage backed securities were filled with what we're in fact sub prime mortgages, he then bought credit default swaps on these MBSs predicting that people would default on mortgages once the rates were adjusted, and they did. In short he made billions by betting on thousands upon thousands of Americans becoming homeless. iirc he felt pretty shitty about it afterwards and stopped managing the fund.

Apropos, there is more and more talk about banning naked CDS trading, so copycatting 2008 short sellers in future anogolous situations might not even be possible.

>>2008553

I am a fucking NEET so I need high risk stuff to gain a reasonable amount of money so I can profit notably from lower risk business.

So I will probably get into crypto currencies

>>2008570
Be careful, as it is also a good way to lose a lot of money fast.

>>2008588

I am currently wondering if I shot go in with ETH, but I am not sure if it will crash when it reaches 100$ and I should wait for that to happen.

What is your prognosis?

>>2007616
kek

>>2008595
I don't do crypto, far too volatile for my liking, as such I can't really help you with the specifics of the various coins.
My only advice would be the age old adage of "only put in what you can afford to lose". Don't put up your entire month's worth of living costs and rent in the hope of doubling it, especially not in a highly speculative and indeed manipulated market such as crypto.

>>2008655

I will see, maybe I will invest like 2k into an robotics ETF.

>>2008568
Ah, ok. So I'm not too far off on the student loan views then.

I'll have to watch the movie now, it sounds interesting.

>>2008570
Well stop being a NEET then. You don't even need a particularly good education to find a job that pays rather well, you just need to find a hobby and work at it long enough to convince others you're skilled at something.

I wish you all the best in life and hope you do well.

>>2006459
Not gunna happen

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>>2006652

>5 years
>forever

Correction is staved off by the (((Federal Reserve))) and all their Semitic magicks. This is only a painkiller, and every prevention of correction makes the next recession/crash worse than it had to be.

Lucky I have my metals to soften the blow.

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>>2006512
My nigga

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>>2006566
And on a longer scale it looks like this. Who knows what will happen? I sure as hell don't.

>>2007311
that's how the average crypto cuck mind works.

>>2008921

the book is more in depth

>>2006459
Yeah, but Harry Dent is clueless.

>>2008435
>>2007153
reminder that christian bale's impression of him was totally fucking wrong

>Warren Buffett
When he was just 11 years old, Warren Buffett pooled his savings with his sister Doris and bought six shares of oil company Cities Service (now called Citgo) at $38 per share.

>>2009468
>giant depressions on graph
>meh, draw a straight line instead
lol you TA autists are so funny

>>2009468
Are you able to adjust that for inflation for a $1 value investment in 1900 to show real growth vs number inflation?

>>2006459

bears have been posting charts like this for the last few years. they kept redrawing the lines to fit their narrative.

when you say you think this is a bubble, you are trying to call the top. you are going against the current trend. the odds are againt you.

>>2006565
I take it you weren't around back then. It wasn't a long steady decline, it was down 4% two days in a row, up 5% another. There was not real clear time to "buy the dip", and people had no idea wtf was going on

>he thinks you can predict a black swan

>>2007311
Exactly. With all the central banks liquidity only this can happen

>>2006517
>>2006524
I know these people had a lot more invested than your typical neet, but holy shit that makes us in the crypto space sound like we have fucking balls of steel. These moves aren't even uncommon here.

>>2006645
He's just taking a nap, anon. Investing is very tiring work.

>>2006608
>or the "HFTS" over react to outlier cumulation and cause a faster and deeper crash.
They don't. That's why they get used instead of coked-up traders. Every time something drastic happens (see brexit, or the chinese market crash of 2015, or the greek debt crisis, or the government shut down) the HFT's keep the drop in the S&P to around 10%, because on a short enough time horizon, that looks like a hell of a buying opportunity.

>>2008595
Cryptos are like commodities, not in terms of the market, but in terms of the fact that they actually have utility, and it's just pure speculation with them. It's easier to access the initial public offering, or as it's called, the Initial Coin Offering, and you can make good returns. Just don't put in more than you can afford to lose. A lot of people here made triple digit returns, myself included but it requires a little patience.