Mobile app development general.

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>>1931885
>/biz/ - Business & Finance

Get some sort of seed funding. Hire good programmers. Release app with a good publisher. Run ads
Get paid.

If you commission some pajeet to make your app, what's stopping him from just writing it, rebranding it and selling it himself?

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>>1931918
Too much hassle, app will be a medium for content that he will not be able to produce, a non compete contract (you can get a lawyer to write one for like 50usd). What is stopping potential competitors from copying it?As always nothing really.

>>1931917
Lets say I can through 5k on it. Whats an app publisher? Whats their job? Do you really need one? Is anybody making money of adds anymore? it seems that it would be easier to just find a thousand people who will just buy the app then to wait for the same amount of money generated through add revenue. But then the fuck do I now.

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>>1931885

>>1931918

pajeet already stole and rebranded open source. that's what indians specialise in. they're a fucking joke better pay vladimir from ukraine.
he at least passes as white from a distance.

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>>1932380
Ok thats good advice, I actually speak vodka runes perfectly.

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bumping in case there are some successful app developers with with wisdom on biz now.

>>1931885
okay, op. listen. programming an app costs money. maybe you'll find a student but usually you'll have to pay round about 50k for something like an ebay like app.
why would someone want to hire people from a country where it is illegal to criticize islam and where drones fly over all the time and shitt down hell fire rockets on taleban? ????????!!!

Just make it yourself. Its not that hard to figure out. You could probably make something in 2 days

please dont there are too many apps now.

I program and outsource the design + grunt work. You're going to get fucked if you try to outsource the whole app with no experience, you won't know how to describe what you need, what's trash, how to deploy it, how to update, etc. etc.


Find someone to hold your hand.

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>>1931885
Thought I would chime in. I run a real SaaS company, my previous one in the same niche made over six figures revenue and high five figures profit.

>>1931918
A NDA

>>1934132
This is false, you can get a high quality app very cheap now adays depending on what market you are looking at. "something like ebay" is very vague because ebay had to dump multi millions to scale, not to startup. Totally different.

>>1934169
This is ridiculous.. Don't even acknowledge this post.

Anyways, to answer your question. You will need about 1-15k depending on the complexity of your app, you will need a website, some certificates (SSL/Code signing) if you want it to be cross platform, a domain + logo and any other necessary graphics. Then after a few months in the start up phase, after you have tweaked and adjusted everything you can start scaling through PPC ads or affiliate marketing. You may need to launch a few times (AirBNB launched 3 times before scaling) Also, account for things that you haven't already like customer service costs, any potential legal costs, a bad churn rate etc. You will always need to have your LTV>CAC otherwise its not a viable app.

AMA else if you want.

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>>1934563
Thank you for the god-tier response!
I have many questions. Is it necessary to hire a lawer to compose an NDA? It seems lie this would be a super common contract. Have you made people sign NDA agreements? Which one did you use?

What is the best way to find programmers for a medium complexity app? What are some red flags ? Where would you yourself look for programmers on the internet?

What do you wish you knew before you started? What are some common mistakes people make and difficulties they dont anticipate? Any general advice/required reading?

What is the best way of monetising if the app could be valuable enough for people to actually buy? Is there money in running adds?

Thank you based anon, people like you is the reason I still come to biz. Me and my friend are extremely motivated and we decided to complete the project no matter what so your advice is very appreciated.

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>>1931885
Bump

>>1934563
Whats LTV>CAC?

>>1934970
>Is it necessary to hire a lawer to compose an NDA? It seems lie this would be a super common contract. Have you made people sign NDA agreements? Which one did you use?
You can just print off standard format NDA's off the internet. I used RocketLawyer.com and made an account then printed a ton of them off and cancelled the shit.

>What is the best way to find programmers for a medium complexity app? What are some red flags ? Where would you yourself look for programmers on the internet?
I got lucky and got into contact and met up with a guy that I knew from back in elementary school who is the same age as me and has major startup experience. I was just friends with him on facebook and hit him up asking him about his experience and then set a date to meet and sign the NDA to then discuss the project. You can just hire a professional programmer by printing off and editing a development contract to fit your specific scenario from the same place you get your NDA from. Its going to be a lot more expensive if you dont know the guy like I did but you gotta do what you gotta do. A major red flag for me is not much experience and not having a portfolio of some of their work history.

and by the way Im not the dude you replied to and I hope he still replies to this shit cause i wanna hear what he says

>>1934563
Could you give some insight into some questions I have as well?

I have decided that I need to hire the person developing my app as the CTO of my LLC. I have not registered my LLC yet. How does hiring someone in that position at the birth of the startup work? Obviously, Im not making any money from this yet since it is still in development. When would I be required to start paying him? How do I make it official that he is the CTO and I am the CEO right now? Do I always need to give him equity? How much equity would you recommend?

Did you receive any funding when you started up your company? Do I really just need a business plan and 5-year plan to get investors?

What certificates and/or licenses would I need for an ecommerce application?

Thanks for your time man. Im sure youre aware of just how many questions starting a business leaves you with.

>>1931885
>What legal framework do you even need to sell an app on the internet? Do you need to become a company?
you need a DUNS business number for app store, maybe you also need it for andriod store, i don't know. i think you can get this without a business, but i'm not certain.

freemium seems to have the best rep, where they get free features and pay for the full thing. niche apps may warrant an upfront fee, butmany people are turned off from a fee. it depends on what your app is.

i'd go for ads, but again it depends on what your app is. there is no best fit for all apps.

>Which website with pakistani programmers you think is best?
i'd honestly either get east europeans on upwork or go to /g/ and try to find an american who isn't an autistic cunt, but this will cost more, but you'll get a good product.

you're thought experiment is too vague without at least a suggestion of what service is offered.

>>1934563
>some certificates (SSL/Code signing) if you want it to be cross platform
could you give a quick rundown on key points about making it cross platform?
i learned swift, but my market is 90% android, so i need to redo an app in android. i'm 100% new to android language and the idea of managing both platforms

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>>1931885
bump

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>>1934970
>I have many questions. Is it necessary to hire a lawer to compose an NDA? It seems lie this would be a super common contract. Have you made people sign NDA agreements? Which one did you use?

No I just get prepared ones online and edit them to my standard.

>What is the best way to find programmers for a medium complexity app? What are some red flags ? Where would you yourself look for programmers on the internet?

Go to upwork, avoid freelancer and definitely avoid fiverr for (any) work. I would suggest a slovak or russian over a pajeet any day, I actually hired a russian guy to babysit 2 pajeets and it went fairly smooth. Red flags would be no work experience, "rising talent" or bad/empty reviews. Also take a look at the type of clients they get because some times they may be vultures (looking for dumb clients to take advantage of)

>What do you wish you knew before you started? What are some common mistakes people make and difficulties they dont anticipate? Any general advice/required reading?

Start up phase is the worst, takes a lot of patience and toleration. A lot of refining on everything you have made. Common mistakes including launching to early, hiring pointless freelancers (work needing to be re-done or just trashed), I would look into SaaS metrics if I were you.

>What is the best way of monetizing if the app could be valuable enough for people to actually buy? Is there money in running adds?

Depends, really. I would say go with freemium for apps. Or trial period and "premium" subscriptions (requires upgrade after X days/weeks/months) There is money in ads and its a big part in scaling your app, I would say take a budget of $160 and give an ad platform expert the $60 to manage your $100 budget for ads (also through upwork). But tldr, yes there is money in ads and its the only way for an app to make it these days. A lot of monetizing would involve affiliate networking so an affiliate program is essential, especially if your ad budget is low.

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>>1937276
Continued because I hit capacity for words.

After your $160 budget for ads has converted successfully (good churn if subscriber based) then you start scaling it up. Eventually and theoretically you will be making a lot of money at this point.

>>1935719
Life time value > Customer acquisition costs

Life time value is the value of the lifetime of a user, so if its subscription based these are important, otherwise not so much depending on how your app resources work.

>>1935897
Not entirely sure as far as your question goes, I would contact a lawyer for sure for anything paperwork related. Don't make my mistake and not do the paperwork from the get-go and end up dissolving due to a bad partnership. You would be required to start paying him when the company starts making profit after monthly/yearly overhead (depending on your agreement/contract). If you don't want to always give him equity, make a clause that his stake of the company deteriorates over time. I can't say for equity cause I have no idea what your app is. I did receive funding twice now, first investor was a friend I had met online and it ended horribly even though we both made a lot of money. We did a 50/50 stake of the company (also bad idea). Certificates / licenses for an ecommerce application would be SSL/Code signing and maybe a Mcaffee security cert or something. Pretty standard stuff. Also, no problem.

>>1936024
I'm not entirely sure honestly, I just tell my developer to make it cross platform and get the required certs and graphics. I do web development too for my SaaS and others so if you guys have any questions related to that i'd be glad to help.

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>Go to upwork, avoid freelancer and definitely avoid fiverr for (any) work.

Why avoid freelancer? Is upwork so much superior? I have to hire a freelancer for my other job to do some ghostwriting/editing and this comment made me a bit scared because I almost finalized my freelancer listing. Thanks for the advice though but please go into a bit more detail why freelancer should be avoided.

>We did a 50/50 stake of the company (also bad idea).

Damn it. Thats how me and my partner decided to divide up the company. Is it a bad idea because then no one is in charge? Or is there more? How would you divide it if you want an equal partnership?

Thank you so much anon you are a god in human form.

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>>1931885
tactical bump

>>1931885
>I have an idea for an app
>I can't be arsed to program it
You aren't gonna make it kid, the app bubble has mostly burst unless you make a game with in-app purchases and spend a few million on ads (see Clash of Clans and other Supercell junk, or Mobile Strike). The number of retards like you is innumerable and if you can't even code it in-house you might as well move on

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>>1938015
As someone who has been both freelancer and client, freelancer.com gets the "low-end" pajeets. Pajeets are already low-end. Don't use it.

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>>1938643
This is partially true, if you aren't mentally invested enough in your business to do the ground work yourself then it will never work. That's facts. I am not a software dev but I coded a custom CMS solution for my SaaS and it would have costed at least 15k for any regular client. Paid off tho.

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>>1931885
bump

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>>1931885

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Does any of you guys know how much would it cost per month to host a dating website/ social network with 5-30 k users? If 2-3 pictures are allowed and it has a simple messaging option? And how much would it cost to hire someone to build one? There must be some templates, right?

>>1940958
>implying you can get 30k visitors

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>>1940958
Probably like $1000-3000 a month on a dedicated server and up to $15000 for app production costs and maintaining/update. Not sure what you mean by templates, if you mean UI then yeah sure there is but why would I use your app when it looks/works exactly like X app?

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>>1940965
Not implying anything familia, just curious. I want to carbon copy a website which has 30k users. The website I want to copy is completely pay to register sort of thing and I am curious how much would it cost to make the same exact service but free/freemium. Not that it means that it will get to 30k visitors but I do want to know how much it costs them.

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>>1940972
Than you based anon. Have a normans get out pepe as payment.

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anyone ever just buy an app off of flippa?