debunk this protip: you can't

That's because tariffs are retarded.

It's a better idea to tax the money that Mexican immigrants send back to their families, which is an absolutely massive market.

>>1913883
Yeah, this.
>what is illegal markets

While the government does get paid, Mexicans are obviously going to make up the price to keep the same profit margin, so the only one to pay is...

the US taxpayer.

>mexico has monopoly on bananas

>>1913877
>have to pay %20 tax
>lessen amount paid in tax by increasing cost of bananas
>pay %20 of 120 (more money) to avoid paying %20 of 100 (less money)

2 years being a neet must have made me retarded because i simply can't make sense of what's going on here

>>1913907
20% of $100 = $20
$80 after tax

20% of $120 = $24
$96 after tax

>>1913877
>implying higher prices in mexican goods isn't the point
How retarded are you?

>>1913909
>higher prices on good the US can't produce
how retarded are YOU?

>>1913883
>>1913895
>It's a better idea to tax the money that Mexican immigrants send back to their families, which is an absolutely massive market.


Yeah and do that and all the mexicans will leave America alright. Good luck filling jobs that no one wants to do in your own country.

>>1913912
>mexico has a monopoly on bananas
>mexico has any recource besides piss cheap labor
Really takes the noggins for a joggin.

>>1913877

WHAT A GENIUS MEXICAN GUY

HE SHOULD JUST PRICE HIS BANANAS AT $1,000,000 EACH!

HE WILL BE A MILLIONNAIRE!

ABSOLUTELY GENIUS

>>1913912
>Goods the US can't produce

Do tell. Also point out why we wouldn't get them somewhere cheaper than Mexico.

>>1913915
Farming is coming back and automation will the lower class to farming and the like instead of mundane factory jobs.

>>1913922
Because half of them come from Mexico. California and Florida make avocodos I think? Other than that there's no other place to get them in the US.

Huehuehuehueheu

10/10, my sides are gone.

>>1913923
Are you still doing the jobs that your great grandfather did? Ofcourse not. Jobs go in and out of fashion after each generation and the next. Thats why we have immigration so that they do the jobs that no one else wants to do for shit pay.

If you force people in your own country to do jobs they don't want to do then thats basically Stalinism, which if you're /pol/ I'm sure you'll love it.

>>1913877
brazils import tax is like 40% , trade wars are ecom major memes.
We have lots of long standing tariffs on certain Chinese goods as well,
Also this>>1913921

>>1913928
People want to do what's profitable, and there's a surge in demand for organic foods. More farmers are going to be employed. No need to bring immigrants who need welfare and thus drain the government of resources for no reason...

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>>1913933
You conveniently did not answer my question here. Are you still doing the jobs that your great grandfather once did? >>1913928

>and here come the ad hominems

>>1913915
>the mexicans will leave America

they're still trying to flood in by the millions, why do you think Mexico is so upset about the border wall?

>>1913936
>If you force people in your own country to do jobs they don't want to do then thats basically Stalinism, which if you're /pol/ I'm sure you'll love it.
>and here come the ad hominems

Kill yourself.

>>1913937
>why do you think Mexico is so upset about the border wall?

Because the Mexican government is worried they will look incompetent once people realize what a shithole Mexico truly is.

You have to realize that people only immigrate because they believe there are better jobs and opportunities outside their country. Some try to game the system and collect free gibs, but most just want to get by.

>>1913936
Okay but wouldn't it make better workplaces for the employees now that employers rely on them? The farms that don't treat enployees well go under or automate, right?

>>1913950
>The farms that don't treat enployees well go under or automate, right?

Kek. Why do you think slavery still exists in many parts of Asia and Africa despite automation technology being cheaper and far more efficient than slavery?

Its power and the feel that you get when you dominate others.

>>1913877
>Mexico increases price
>American goods stay the same
>other Producers keep same price
>people buy lower from competitors
>Mexico gets btfo since the products they offer are also offered by plenty of other countries including america itself
>Mexican economy btfo so hard they have no option but sit and negotiate how to pay for wall

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>>1913877

>>1913915
No they won't. Canada doesn't have enough jobs for them, and there are only two wealthy countries in the Americas.

>>1913877
Fucking shitlib illegal. How do u suppose we unfuck what the boomers did?

>>1913915
Good luck finding room to stuff all you illegal teash welfare recipient cucks mexico. Trully going to drive half way accross the country to visit trumps wall.

Viva la FREEDOM you fucking illegals

>>1913928
He doesnt service a 120 year old power house that pumps 4 wells.

Yes faggot. I actually do

>>1913948
No... most are either green card labor or illegal welfare scum

>>1913915
Oh no! Less competition for jobs. If this keeps up our wages might actually increase. Oh the horror

>>1914063
You can't get less competitive than zero you moron. The agricultural industry runs on razor thin margins as it is, and that's after honey deal subsidies. Younger generations are abandoning farm work, and pursuing better careers with the access first world education provides, and this is a GOOD thing.

Americans are both unwilling and unable to compete with the productivity and cost of immigrant labor who have decades of experience in farm work. Forcing Americans to do this work at double the cost and half the yield will severely jeopardize our food security.

>>1914286
>trying to use facts to argue with /pol/

you must be new here

>>1914286
Just automate it then. Agrriculture is a small sector anyway and it keeps getting smaller. Just because one tiny sector could use some immigrants doesn't mean every sector does. Useless jobs like pizza delivery is becoming more and more popular because of the scramble for jobs. Mexican immigrants worsen this issue

>>1914286
>razor thin margins
you're a fucking liar

>>1913877
We should just execute every single mexican.

That would address the problem.

>>1913915
Problem solved then

>>1913963
This is the stupidest comment in this thread

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>>1914286
Yeah because if there werent a horde of illegals the county couldn't function. I work in agriculture and you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Razor thin margins my ass. Farmers are some of the most wealthy people in the country. This is /biz/ you stupid faggot not /pol/. If you feel so strongly about this post it over there and have your bullshit shown for what it is.

>>1913883
>It's a better idea to tax the money that Mexican immigrants send back to their families, which is an absolutely massive market.
Besides being arguably unconstitutional, it would devastate their local economy and encourage people to move here.

>>1914994
Farmers also enjoy subsidizes like none other and often inherit their equipment instead of purchasing extremely expensive vehicles, no?

>>1914286
>razor thin margins
Nigga that shit is subsidized out the ass

Really sucks for us consumers that Mexico is the only place on earth that exports bananas.

:`(

>>1915241
>Really sucks for us consumers that Mexico is the only place on earth that exports bananas.

INVEST IN BANANA FUTURES NOW!!!!!

BANANAS TO THE MOOOON!!!!

>>1913915
if that happens then expect bitcoin to explode

>>1913915
Now:
>want a farm job
>illegal immigrants do it for slave wages
>don't want slave wage
>work at mcdonalds instead

Futue:
>have no job
>no illegals to do the labor
>the country is short on food
>you and your country will starve to death if people dont get farm jobs
>decide to get farm job because the other option is letting you and everyone else starve to death
>plus the labor will have value again

it's not "people don't want to do it" it's "illegal immigrants are impossible to compete with because they will do fucking anything for one penny"

>>1913877
Your dumbass theory assumes that USA will continue buying those bananas from Mexico versus the other options in the market. If their price goes up 20%, I'm sure there is a cheaper option.

>>1913877
its better for the us to debase its currency

>>1913912
It's not so much the stuff that Mexico can produce that we can't it's that Mexico can produce things at lower costs than in the United States. Tariffs are counterproductive because it doesn't change the cost to produce, the manufacturer can instead hike the prices to match the cost of the tariff, and still usually be lower than what it would cost to produce here.
This is much more likely to happen than it somehow becoming cheaper to produce here again because tariffs also have the effect of currency devaluation which would just offset the cost of the tariff.

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>>1915810
Except they make minimum wage and most make a dollar or two dollars more than that. Also only 26% of farms workers are illegals and only 4% of illegals have farm jobs. Suck dick commie libtard faggot.

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>>1913877

>>1913929
Yes, we put a tariff on Chinese tires that were flooding the market. China retaliated with a chicken tariff, and hurt the American chicken farmer's ability to be competitive in China.

>>1913915
>jobs that no one wants to do in your own country.

#fakenews

At the very worst, natural born Americans work well over half of those "jobs that no one wants"

>>1915841
Unlikely. Many Americans are turning away from labor intensive jobs. It's not just agriculture either. They can offer what they want but people really do not want to work in these shitty jobs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-09/why-americans-wont-do-dirty-jobs

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Why not just grow bananas inside special dome grow areas like weed in the US?