/biz/ approved self improvement books?

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>>1844408
Honestly, call me a faggot, but the book "The Success Principles."

Skip the anecdotal and "feel-good" stories and just get straight to the info. It's actually good advice.

>>1844408
HEY BIZ IM FUCKING RICH I JUST GOT 25 GRAND FOR GETTING BEAT UP AS A KID RIIDING TO SCHOOOL. LOVE YOU ALLL. GOOD FORTUNE BROTHERS JE SUIS NOUVEAUX RICHES ET BON VIVANT

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>>1844408
bumping, also interested in this

The Rules of Work by Richard Templar

>>1844408
>Influence, Cialdini
>Meditations, Marcus Aurelius
>Principles, Ray Dalio
The memoirs of Casanova has some good shit in it, I mean that man was a jack of all trades: a violinist, a solider, a occult charlatan, and a great raconteur. Also wrote the first Sci-Fi

>>1844430
>The Rules of Work
this looks nice, i ll check it out, thx

fuck, I nearly forgot:

>On the Fortune and Virtue of Alexander, Plutarch
The basic thesis being: you have no excuse not to achieve massive things... NO, NO EXCUSE!

Avoid "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, unless you intend on taking your cavalry into enemy territory and laying siege to a primitive city. It's rather useless as a guide in modern business/life

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>>1844427
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>>1844439
All look interesting thank you

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Richest Man in Babylon

>>1844408
How is this book? I literally just bought it.
Do books really help you at all?

>>1844711
>How is this book? I literally just bought it.
Mostly common sense. I'm surprised by how famous it is.

>Do books really help you at all?
If you're willing to take action on the information you learn from them: yes. But you have to exercise judgement, I tend towards books full of concrete examples, filled with details.

But a lot of self-help books are just filled with airy and unsubstantiated crap

The Carnegie book isn't as great as they sell it to you. It is packed with common sense. Mostly provides examples of tacky sales men, becoming more sympathetic with the buyer. Showing how "respect to the customer" can win sales, and shit like that.

>>1844711
>do books really help
No. In fact they can hurt because research shows they give you the 'feel good about making a change' brain effect without actually changing.
As to why they don't help, it's compacted to explain, but there is

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I am now reading Rich dad Poor dad, very good book so far.

I reccommend you guys reading The secrets of the millionaire mind, great book.

>>1844408
I downloaded this book about 5 years ago.
Still haven't opened the damn thing, fuck people.

>>1844439
>Meditations, Marcus Aurelius
I found this really hard to digest, is it really that good?
Same with The Prince, I'll probably read it a few times to absorb it better.
I can't help but feel these two books are the sociopath version of snobbery.

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>>1844408
rich dad poor dad is best dad

how can you even compete

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>>1846119
Always heard it was a retarded book by a retarded author. Ain't it true ?

Best self improvement book is getting kicked in the ass and start a business. Leave your job and survive.

>>1846021
>I can't help but feel these two books are the sociopath version of snobbery.
I didn't get that from Meditations at all, I remember it being very chill basically saying "don't worry about death, there's nothing you can do about it" and "look at the enticing beauty in imperfection like a bursting fig, or the cracks in a loaf of bread" "if someone is a dick to you, they probably have their own shit going on, don't be a dick back"

The Prince however is entirely different, that's just a history book with focus on usurping power, kinda like a series of case-studies. And from the little bit I've read, I don't know how useful it is.

Much like my displeasure with the Art of War, military metaphors can only take you so far.

People skills is what counts

>>1846234
He's Tony Robbins tier

>>1846239
I agree with that except for the leave your job bit.

>>1846317
>I didn't get that from Meditations at all, I remember it being very chill basically saying "don't worry about death, there's nothing you can do about it" and "look at the enticing beauty in imperfection like a bursting fig, or the cracks in a loaf of bread" "if someone is a dick to you, they probably have their own shit going on, don't be a dick back"

I'll check it out then. I do like that stuff. I've tried to cultivate a go with the flow type attitude, it helps at least when I feel shitty about life situations. I don't think it motivates me terribly much.

>He's Tony Robbins tier
Hey I actually enjoyed his videos. One of them had a really good piece of advice and it was to mirror the persons breathing

>>1844722
>The Carnegie book isn't as great
its really one of the best practical books there is on how to deal with people, its not strictly focused on sales

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I found a book even better than Rich Dad Poor Dad

>>1846495
this!!!

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>>1846495
not too fast, check this baby out

>>1844427

Good book.

Also The Game by Neil Strauss taught me a lot. People diss it but there is a ton of good information on social dynamics and leadership.

No shit that book changed my life. After reading it I see how some men act, and just shake my head.

>>1846239

I agree, but if a person has not done sales before I'm not sure how they would have the social skills and direction to start a company.

>>1844413
>The Success Principles

It is a good read anon, also, if you are interested you can get certified as a "Success Principles Trainer" and start doing workshops without paying anything back to Jack Canfield.
Haven´t done it but am seriously considering it, his name carries weight for "normies" by associating it with Chicken Soup for the Soul and The Secret.

Can any one recommend a book/website/YouTube/whatever that teaches and explains stock analysis? I'm looking for a basic or entry level way to analyse a company's reports to know wether it's a good idea to buy shares or not.

>>1844427
I've started reading this it's actually pretty good desu

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>>1844430
TL,DR please, whatever you remmember
>>1846372
>"if someone is a dick to you, they probably have their own shit going on, don't be a dick back"
Can you expand on this please?

>>1844711
Overrated to be honest
Pretty much the entirety of what it says is quite obvious, although sometimes forgotten

>>1849104
>TL,DR please, whatever you remmember
It's pretty short already and similar to Win Friends and Influence, maybe more practical
>blend in
>work hard, but appear effortless to meet goals
>always have an angle/watch out for others ulterior motives

>"if someone is a dick to you, they probably have their own shit going on, don't be a dick back"
You quoted the wrong person. Because I'm a miserable person I'm going to call you a stupid faggot and laugh at you. HAHA moron!
See?

>>1849104
>>"if someone is a dick to you, they probably have their own shit going on, don't be a dick back"

Not him, but essentially, when people are dicks, it might be because of an external stimulus (bad day/week, whatever) and they have little patience for your shennanigans, or just need to expell their stress.
They are not dicks to you, they are just having a hard time at the moment. Instead of accepting their anger and internalising it for no reason (and then expelling it yourself on someone else); just realise that what they did was not aimed at you.
Be patient, polite and understanding, do not accept the anger, break the cycle, and give the person in question a break.

cont'd

>>1849363
>Be 25
>Long day at work, shitty boss dropped a bomb on my desk 15 min before day is over
>Anon, make sure this shit is done before you leave, OK?
>2 hours of overtime, finally get out
>subway breaks down midway home wait 30 min. on tracks.
>finally arrive home, 2.5 hours later than usual, decide to stop by grocerie store and treat myself to a nice steak and beer.
>out of T-bones, out of my fav brew
>Settle on frozen pizza and a bud
>really tired by this point get to cash register.
>This old lady is counting her pennies to buy lottery tickets, taking her time
>twf that’s enough for one day, I lose it
>Yell at her for slowing everyone down, tell her that buying lottery tickets is not a retirement plan, especially at her age

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>Be 95
>Long life, not always easy, but I managed.
>husband and brothers and sisters are all dead, only have my kids left.
>Wished they’d call more often, and even come visit
>I guess they have their own family now.
>tfw so alone
>At least the young lady at the cash register is nice, I talk to her every week when I buy lottery tickets.
>mfw I only buy those because it’s one of the few interactions I ever get with a human being nowadays.
>tfw waiting for the sweet embrace of death
>What? Why is that guy so mad and yelling t me for?

In both cases, they have “justified” reasons to tell the other to fuck off; but they both don’t know what the other is going through. A little compassion can go a long way for the world.

>>1844408
there was a self help book called depression self help by some family doctor. he teaches you how to conduct your own cognitive thinking skills. helps over the years, still think about it sometimes.

>>1849363
>>1849369
That was a good read, thanks.

>>1844413
this is good shit. Googled and found a pdf. Thanks

>>1849104
>TL,DR please, whatever you remmember
just check out table of contents. i'm reading it right now. the book is quite small, you can finish in a day

>>1844469
This is not true at all, but people and movies do tend to overuse the context.

>>1848558
Martin Shkreli's is the only one with legit advice, his 4 or 5 first video's are with random people in it who are annoying and slow it down but beyond that it's really great

he also is worth between 50-100 million and managed his own hedge fund so he is legit.

>>1850109
Cool, thanks, I'll check it out!

MJ DEMARCO The millionaire fastlane. it's a no nonsense loose guide to making money and has a good story about how the author did it

>>1844408
>how to be a grovelling cuck

Meditations is a given. I also find that the best self-help comes from reading about people I admire.

Nothing makes me cringe more than people going after books that are shallow or build on arbitrary principles, promise instant greatness or are famous because of marketing (not quality).

>Tim Ferriss, Robert Kiyosaki, Tony Robbins, even Malcolm Gladwell pls go

Recently listened to Be Obsessed or Be Average.
For most of the book he makes good points about how people fuck themselves over with doubt and try to go beyond, how if you're not going all in you're wasting your time, and some other bits about about setting your goals high as you possibly can. He lost me when we went into shit about sales and how he manages which but it's a good read if you're able to walk away with the good shit.
He is long winded though.
Listened to Rich Dad Poor Dad too which has good shit in it but also by the end he starts to repeat himself and go on about shit that can't be applied by anyone who isn't already sucessful/wealthy.
Listened to Power Of Broke and it was a bunch of bullshit and stories about other people who literally lucked into "success".

>>1849363
Yes!

>>1850491
>the best self-help comes from reading about people I admire.
Care to give any examples of particular books that fit the bill? (ya know, sometimes a subject can be interesting, but the writing/treatment of it can be crap. Or perhaps you can't glean as much inspiration or insight into what precipitates success as another book on the same person)

This goes for anyone in this thread: currently looking for Bios.

>>1850109
I shecond the Shkreli. I learned so much from watching his three videos on stocks, more than I have learned anywhere else. Surprisingly well presented and clear. And the first video is chock full of his personal theories on the subject, and the rest is all practice.

>>1846119
>Buy the most expensive, luxury items you can because they make you feel good and feeling good leads to riches

Is it any wonder why people go broke after reading this book? It's fucking cursed.

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Always loved pic related. If only for the inspirational stories.

>>1849836
can you link pdf?

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shameless self kek

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>>1851050
>Care to give any examples of particular books that fit the bill?

>>1851320
From thumbnail thought that was Putin.

Actually not American so all I know about Rockefeller is
>Richer than Hearst?
>Philanthropist
>Scion went into politics with mixed success

Will look up reviews now though

>>1851050
The latest one I read was Hard Drive by James Wallace (about Bill Gates).

tl;dr gates works hard for the money

>>1851320
This book is really great. just saying

you can torrent the audiobook

Interesting

>>1844408
anyone got a PDF of The 16% Solution: How to Get High Interest Rates in a Low-Interest World.

>>1844713
Yes
Like drumf books

>>1850491

Tools of Titans is pretty cool

/lit/ here. You're getting conned. Read actual philosophy or kill yourself.

>>1853872
hey faggot, no one cares about your esoteric indecipherable garbage. this shit is utilized to help make money. not that liberal arts faggots like you would know. get the fuck out of here.

>>1853896
>implying any of these books will help you make money
if you need these books, youre never gonna make it

>>1853896

Eat my shit. I am trying to help you. Self help books are nothing but pseudo-philosophy and repeating the same shit. You can do it. It can be done by you. Done by you? It can be. Here's how to change you, and only you can do it.

You can read this kind of stupid shit right at the source if you read books on philosophy proper or psychology.

>>1853947
what do you recommend friendo

>>1853947
Philosophy is about obscure and exoteric feels and thoughts. It makes it harder for a person to relate to other people who don't think about philosophy.

>>1853947
Instead of just flaming you could contribute with some titles...

Most of these books are a lot of filler with some decent core principles. Tim Ferris did good with Tools of Titans, but solely because it's a diverse collection of success tips from successful people. His own personal stuff (4 hour work week) seems a little hokey

>>1853872
>Waste your time pondering a bunch of psycho-babble no one but other basement dwelling hippies give a fuck about

No thanks I'll learn stuff that matters instead

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>>1850648
Niiiice, I listen to this one at work quite a bit, a bit of Grants stuff is available to torrent, we have no excuse not to try it

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>>1854112
Bruh, the questions like "What is the end goal for humanity?" "What will the Western Civ legacy be?" and "does a soul exist or are we animated meat?" are the ones that matter, wondering "How do I get $$$?" "Why do I have no $$$" and "will this girl date me if I'm rich" are all superfluous bullshit you cockgurgler

>>1846234
Yes. The most poorly written, fake, feel-good story ever. Just plain useless. No concrete examples provided for anything. I regret the £10 I spent on it every day of my life.

>>1846632
>The Game by Neil Strauss

My nigga.

>After reading it I see how some men act, and just shake my head.

Know exactly the feeling!

>>1844408
If anyone want to dl these books
Go on http://libgen.io/

>>1853968
>>1854021

Simulacra and Simulation. The Ego and its Own.

>>1854276
Duh. Anything on psychology?

>>1844408
guys can you post free audiobooks or something? internet and 4chan have fucked my attention span for reading but i can still absorb info through audio.

>>1853855
but isolation is patrician

>>1844408

>How to win friends and influence people

The main problem with this book's advice is that some people seem to respect you a lot less.

It's like to some people, if you disagree on something and you try to be the bigger person and consider their point of view, they just think of it as lack of confidence and take advantage of it. And you can't really tell in advance who is going to be that kind of person.

>>1854649
really? that is the main problem with the book? really?

>>1854662

Don't disagree with me. Don't disagREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1850109
>>1851050
Should I watch his first live streams? Didn't seem to have much content... Should I just watch the finance lessons?

>>1855133
The finance/investments lesson are pretty based.

>>1855133
i would disagree with >>1855140 sir
if you need special handholding reading financial statements, by all means watch. if you believe the market isn't random roulette and you can forecast the future of it for a period longer than hft-time and without inside, you should also watch.

meanwhile don't forget that shkreli uses youtube to project an image of a likeable character on normies. that trial and possible jail time is getting closer, gotta campaign for public opinion. so take it with a grain of salt.

the gist of how shkreli really made money though is by fraud-ish acts:
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2015/comp-pr2015-282.pdf

im not saying its good or bad, but trading/analysis has little to do with it.

>>1853514
Sure, it can be interesting to know what the fuck venture capitalists and b celebrities do or like. But realize it's fucking pointless information.

>>1846234
Nope. Littereally started my path to riches.

If i die this second i will die happy upper middly class and requesr my copy be placed in my coffin with a few other sentimental items

>>1846239
Kek. U can. But id rather shitpost from a comfy iffice and learn to do it on the side until i can wuit

>>1849369
Shit m8. Burdy gid advice

>>1855241
>>>1855133
>i would disagree with >>1855140 (You) sir
>if you need special handholding reading financial statements, by all means watch. if you believe the market isn't random roulette and you can forecast the future of it for a period longer than hft-time and without inside, you should also watch.

You are correct, nothing that you can't find in a book. But I was talking about the small nuggets of wisdom he drops while analysing companies, comparing them with each other, how he approaches forecasts of markets/companies.

I remember watching him playing around with the numbers of Facebook and calculating how much money they make of a user. And then he compared this with the subscription fees of Netflix for example. Something I would have never considered. Facebook has the potential for a subscription model besides their ad revenue.

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This is for everyone who may be somewhat new here, or is too naive to understand the climate on this board. Many of the books that people share here are just memes promoted by people who were fooled by other anons into reading it, and are now attempting to pass the memes onto you. Don't fall for it.

If you are having trouble managing your personal finances, then you don't need a self-help book.

My simple outline for financial success:

Pre-Req: If you do not have a steady income source that will pay your bills and, at least, supply you with a minimal amount of food, then you should work on finding a (better) job.

Tip: If you've ever been diagnosed with a psychological condition or disability, then you can use a service called vocational rehabilitation. They'll get you set up with a job, come up with a long-term financial and vocational plan for you, and help you finish up a 2-year or 4-year education (sometimes even paying for part/all of it). It's not just for retarded people. If you've ever been diagnosed with ADD, OCD, or anxiety, then you can use it too. If you think you need help, then utilize it before it's too late.

1. Figure out your monthly expenditures, and ask yourself if there's any way to cut a bill down. (ex: a cheaper cell phone plan / cancel your vidya game subscriptions).

2. Chart your wants and needs for the month.
Example: You want to eat fast food for lunch, but you don't need fast food to survive, so you should shop at a market instead for the items you need to eat for the week. You should only buy the items which are cheap, healthy, and can satisfy your appetite. Super markets make this easy; limit your shopping to the outer perimeter of the store. Only drink water, as almost everything else will waste money, make you fatter, and put you at risk for costly diseases like diabetes, heart disease, GERD, cancer, etc. If you drink/smoke, then make strides to stop as quickly as possible (this includes vaping).

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3. If you belong to a friend group that's toxic (likes spending every dime they have on concerts, movies, eating out, partying, etc., then either convince them to do something that's free with you, or drop them and focus on yourself (library).

4. Take the money you've saved from cutting your monthly costs, and throw it into a savings account. You need to save up, at least, enough funds to account for three months worth of monthly expenditures. Don't listen to any faggot tell you about how you're losing money by keeping it in the bank, and that you should invest it in something like crypto, robinhood, forex, mutual funds, etc. This amount is meager, and the vast majority of these people are gamblers who have zero will-power. You're neither, so keep diligently investing into your savings account and find new ways to cut your costs.

5. During this time, you should be actively researching the most tride & true ways to advance yourself and income. If you already have a high-paying job that has room for promotions/raises, then think of ways to utilize your extra money to help give you more bargaining power when telling your boss you deserve a raise/promotion; this could be something as costly as obtaining a higher degree, or something as cheap as buying your work colleagues/boss lunch.

For people who desire a high-paying job that needs a higher degree-level:
Someone talked about learning how to analyze stock. Unless this person is already in a position to work for a company dealing with this, or has $500,000+ on hand, has many hours to spare in learning how to manage their investment, and the desire to spend countless hours managing it, then the chances of this person receiving a higher return on their time investment compared to just jumping into the deep end by focusing their efforts on bettering their core-skills for college are very slim. If you're bad at entry-level college maths, sciences, and/or English, then go to the library and fix your weaknesses.

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If you struggle with any of these basics while studying, then use your extra money to find a tutor, or better yet, a mentor on the subject. They're not hard to find; just leave your house and ask counselors at a community college for help. When you've built up a good studying routine, are confident in your basic abilities, and have researched the best ways to fund your college education and your degree path you desire to take (a counselor will help you out), then you should apply for a local community college.

>But that's not Penn. How will I ever break into the field of finance?
No, it isn't. However, if you're currently lurking on a self-improvement book thread, then I can safely bet your chances of getting into a prestigious 4-year institution right away with(out) a scholarship are zero. Most of the time, it isn't even worth you attending an in-state 4-year school right away. A community college will be more flexible, much cheaper, and, will often times, be far easier than any 4-yr. Most of the time, all of your credits will transfer from a two year to a four year (if the school is in-state). You should strive for nothing less than a 4.0 in community college, visit all of your professors after hours, and always be inquisitive about what it takes to make it into their respective honor society. Make it a goal to graduate with a 4.0, be active in school club(s), and be in as many honor societies as you can manage. Now you have a good shot at transferring to top schools, and you can always fall back on the hefty scholarship you'll receive from an in-state institution. Strive harder to make a 4.0 there, and you will be in prime position to become a graduate student at a target-school. Many people say that you should find internships your junior year, but the process of engaging relevant employers offering internships in your field should begin your freshman year.

>>1844408
does anyone know where we can get these books online for free? :>( i have been looking for days.

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>I fucked up and flunked out though. How will I ever make it?
It really depends on how bad you fucked up, but either way, you should speak to an academic advisor at a community college. You might be very limited in what fields you can be competitive in, but there will always be jobs requiring a bachelor's degree available which place very little interest on your GPA.
>I only want to study subjects like Corporate Finance now, so I'll have a leg up whenever I study it in college.
Most people coming out of college find out they don't know jack shit about what their profession truly entails after starting the job. An entry-level analyst who never studied corporate finance before college vs someone in the same position who did, will more than likely be on the same plane of job performance after being trained by their superior.

tl;dr: You're not Martin Shkreli; you're a brainlet. Rational people think at the margin. Don't read a textbook like corporate finance if you're not currently using it for a relevant course. Focus on saving your money, stop eating shit, go to sleep on time, improve your basic core college skills--starting with the one you despise the most (math, science, English, etc.), get a tutor if you don't know something, apply to an inexpensive community college asap, don't make anything less than a 4.0 (don't be autistic; talk to your professors), apply to the school of your choice, do good, intern, ???, profit.

If you fucked up and flunked out, then go to a community college academic advisor and ask what it would take to make it in the field of your choice. Take their advice, don't go below a 4.0, and you may have a chance again.

If not, then there's always trade school.

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>>1855874
nice advice, saved

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>>1855869
Try bookzz.org

Extra: Here's a last note for people coming here to find a particular self-help book to read.

You're selling yourself short by reading these books, why? By adopting a self-help author's methods, you're sanctioning yourself to a rigid system of steps that everyone and their mom follows. You'll still be on the same playing field as everyone else.

Dale Carnegie was a failed actor, and whenever he couldn't find any relevant work, he had to drastically pivot by teaching a course in public speaking. He noticed how inept some Americans were at conversing, so he made a book detailing some common sense knowledge regarding public speaking. Sounds pretty fair, right? After all, he was a teacher.

Let's continue. Robert Greene, the author of The 48 Laws of Power, graduated from Wisconsin, and supposedly worked ~80 odd-jobs before writing the book, so we can safely assume he knows next to nothing about many of those 80 professions. It is the most requested book in American prisons, and 50 Cent endorses it. With these gleaming endorsements, this book is bound to help me socially out-wit anyone who stands in my way. *tips fedora*

Want to become a better conversationalist? Then don't learn from wash-ups; learn from the best. Learn from the guy who wrote, not to capitalize on a naive audience, but to spur critical thinking on the subject. The subject which he formally developed into an art. Read from the guy who taught Alexander the Great how to lead armies into battle, and was the first person to study and understand logic.

Read a good translation of pic related, if you don't understand the text, then find a way to. Think critically about it, then go out and talk to people more. Drop the self-help books and just read a book that interests you. You'll slowly broaden your vocabulary, be faster at critical thinking, and have more to discuss about relevant topics which are of importance to your desired audience.

>>1853855

Ehhhhhhh, some of the greatest people in history enjoyed solitude.

Self-help books are a meme.

The majority are something like:

1.) complement other people and they'll like you

2.) tell other people how much you appreciate them when they do work for you

3.) don't be negative in reacting to adverse circumstance; always try to flip it into a lesson in what to improve for the future

4.) let other people talk and ask them questions so they can talk about themselves to you. people like to talk about themselves and their accomplishments.

5.) focus on what makes you happy/successful and go do it asap/plan your life out.

>>1854276
Are you me in a separate timeline?

>>1856140
>Dale Carnegie was a failed actor, and whenever he couldn't find any relevant work, he had to drastically pivot by teaching a course in public speaking. He noticed how inept some Americans were at conversing, so he made a book detailing some common sense knowledge regarding public speaking.
Holy shit that's a good insight!! Dude literally turned his own mediocrity into a cash cow.

>Read from the guy who taught Alexander the Great how to lead armies into battle, and was the first person to study and understand logic.
I've Read it. Read Institutio Oratoria. Read Demetrius On Style. and a whole bunch of other treatise... What next?

I spend a lot of time on Youtube watching "charismatic" speakers talk: the dude who founded the Hare Krishna movement, Televangelists, Steve Jobs, Trump, Tom Ford, Bill Clinton, Orson Welles... observing their mannerisms and cadence, listening where they put the emphasis in a sentence, how they reframe or deflect arguments... am I on the right track?

>>1856582
Don't forget:
>everything you need is already inside you. It's momma's/society/the school systems fault you haven't unlocked the magic you already have

>>1855764
>playing around with the numbers of Facebook and calculating how much money they make of a user. And then he compared this with the subscription fees of Netflix

in that case you might also like to read:
My Life as a Quant
The Quants
Barbarians at the Gate
The Smartest Guys in The Room
and maybe Michael Lewis books

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>>1849369
Good read, thanks man.

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>>1844408
here's my essential six

>>1855859
>>1855862
>>1855868
>>1855874
Decent advice, but I don't agree with the "self help books are a meme" meme. They only are to people who don't know how to read properly. There quite a few steps to go through from reading to doing, but a lot of people stop Midway.
1) read the text (this is where most people stop. They are functioning illiterates, nothing more)
2) internalise the text.
3) understand and comprend the text, it's subtleties and nuances. Extract the important, valid or pertinent information.
4) apply the knowledge you just got.
5) practice and learn from your mistakes.

Those are just examples of steps, done prior add more or less serious depending on The reading material.

Point is, books are a source of knowledge. You need to learn about physics, then get a physics book. You're an assist who needs to improve social skills, the get a book on the subject. Then practice.

>>1857580
Fucking autocorrect

Hey, does anyone have anything like books or tutorials from Victor Cheng?

>>1857216
Nice, especially Masters of Doom.

>>1857580
The problem is that self help books are filled with bad advice and the writers are pure hacks.

There are good "self-help" books, but these are the exception not the rule

Comprehending and using the text of a book is important, but this applies more to books like "The Prince" or "The intelligent investor" and not for books like "Rich dad, Poor dad".

>>1854192
Yeah I'm reading The 10X Rule right now and it really is a good read. The man know what the fuck he's talking about and doesn't try to sugar coat things or make you feel warm and fuzzy.
I love the concept/mindset of being successful isn't an option it's your fucking duty, obligation, and responsibility.
I also liked when he says he wanted to name a chapter "Don't Be A Little Bitch".

>>1856782
I agree that they've all turned their mediocrity into a cash cow, but they did so by selling their books to a group who would've benefitted more, in the long-run, by filling their library up with quality books that they enjoy reading. I was also attempting to compare an overview of some notable self-help book author's accomplishments to that of Aristotle, who has formally written on many of the topics Greene and Carnegie discuss. It wasn't an attempt to strip Carnegie and Greene of their successes.

>I've Read it. Read Institutio Oratoria. Read Demetrius On Style. and a whole bunch of other treatise... What next?
In regards to furthering your knowledge of formal rhetoric? I can't say for sure, since you're more well-read on the subject than I, but maybe you could research antitheses regarding their works. I only highlight Aristotle's treatise because I believe it would draw more people into the realm of formal reading, and hopefully place upon some a greater importance in analytical thought; rather than further allowing the reader to be led down a path that encourages taking shortcuts.

>I spend a lot of time on Youtube watching "charismatic" speakers talk... am I on the right track?

In my opinon, it really depends on what you're attempting to accomplish. However, every speaker that you mentioned has something in common; most importantly, they have a greater understanding of their target audience, and they are masters at shifting their tone, word-usage, facial expressions, and style, in an attempt to become the perfect vessel in expressing their audience's mood and current held beliefs.

You mentioned one of my favorite speakers, Bill Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffbFvKlWqE
This debate speech by him, alone, is one of the greatest examples of what I've attempted to express. He was in an excellent environment to work his magic. As for reading, just read whatever you love. For public speaking, go practice on your target audience.

>>1859297
Continuing with watching other people speak, I believe you could benefit from finding a transcript of a certain speech they did, one like the video I listen above (deals with speaking to a single person in which the speaker does not follow a script) and then comparing the word usage and conveyance of this speech to a more formal scripted one. (a stump speech in Bill's case).

Gather everything from it that you can, and do not be affraid to make your own assumptions as to why there are certain differences between the two. These assumptions will allow you to better understand the core personalities that are shared between these public speakers, which will allow you to utilize better tools in crafting an authentic speaking style. In my opinion, style is something that cannot be brute forced by just gathering knowledge at the surface; working off of a shallow basis of knowledge will lead you to sound more like a mimicking phony than anything else.

>>1857580
>They are only for people who don't know how to read properly.
However, I'm under the opinion that this is the main root of the problem, and that if corrected, could allow the reader to gain more knowledge which could be utilize in the area that they choose. If many of these people drop the self-help books and pick up something that they enjoy reading, then over time they'll become better conversationalists. Simply because they can utilize more cultural references to relate to topics of discussion when conversing with people. It's the same for music and movies, but reading more will allow you to become more effective in regards to sentence structure and word usage. Many books certainly are a source of knowledge, but there's also books that are complete dog shit.

>Reading self help books
Just reading self-help books doesn't mean you will be successful. There's no need to read more than one self help book and that book should probably be How to Win Friends and Influence people. Just re-read that every year and think about how you can apply it to your life.

>>1854204
>"What is the end goal for humanity?"
there is none
>"What will the Western Civ legacy be?"
who cares
> "does a soul exist or are we animated meat?"
we are animated meat.

just saved you a whole bunch of reading

>>1854649
true
the book is basically just "be nice to people and don't argue"

>>1859297
>but maybe you could research antitheses regarding their works.
good idea.

Great example that video is, "when people lose jobs, chances are I know their names" fucking blew Bush outta the water with that. Whole thing is a great example of what not to do and what you should do.

> then comparing the word usage and conveyance of this speech to a more formal scripted one
oh yeah

>>1854649
I'm pretty sure nobody likes their opinion to be completely discarded and ignored. You're not gonna get any approval points for doing that.

The point is to make it SEEM like you care about their input even if you really don't.

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>>1846591
>>1846495

Yo if were going existential, this book right here is THE book. Trust this post. (But I'd read a prequel to it if I were you) Such as Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard.

>>1854213
>>1846234
It's a philosophy-orientated book, it's quite important for people who don't realise the financially-retarded beliefs they have, and their bad financial habits. It's redundant if you're already aware of your financial habits - good and bad.

>>1860098
>course in miracles
>not Being and Time by Martin Heidegger
SHIGGIDY

what do you guys think about way of the superior man?

ive seen it suggested on other boards but i havent seen anyone mention it in awhile

>>1851703
Richest American ever, had probably the most prosperous company ever, controlled about 90% oil in the US, was a super predator in the business world, closing down all competition until they had to create a law against monopolies. US also created a 90% tax bracket just for him.

>>1859969
>Fucking blew Bush outta the water with that.
Many people believe that he won the election after making this speech. You can tell how Bush feels about Clinton's skills whenever CSPAN cuts the camera towards Bush after Clinton made his transition from his strong attention grabber to his plug regarding why he is the better candidate.

The transition starts at 3:24, and for the audience, most wouldn't have been able to ascertain this transition. They were too captivated by how Clinton responded to her, and the questioner herself is probably overwhelmingly feeling this. The only people who understood what was going on was Bush, CSPAN, and maybe a couple of people in the audience who were die-hard Republicans.

At 0:25 you can tell Clinton was very interested in how Bush would first react to the question (Bush never went far from the chair, and he attempted to change the question to address the entire audience instead of the questioner). After this, Bill knew that Bush was very uncomfortable with dealing with this question, and understood that he could take advantage of Bush by taking a more empathetic approach that directly addresses her question.

Before Bush could even finish, Bill was already up and walking towards the lady. He pointed to her and sternly stated, "Tell me how it has affected you again."

Bill already knew the question at hand, so he wasn't doing this to better understand the question. BIll wanted to steal the words right out of her mouth, and before she could complete her thought he said, "You know people who have lost their jobs and lost their homes?" Everything he stated was stern, quick, and to the point. His facial expressions showed someone who was annoyed with what was currently happening, and he rounded it all off with him stating, "What are we going to do? I think what we have to do is..." He used the word 'we' to bind himself to the audience, and make them feel empowered.

Bush never used the word 'we' in his speech.

Kind of on topic, what are some recommendations for books on management? As an academic subject, not stuff about how to appear a leader to people or whatever.

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Has /biz/ ever read pic related? Is it just a stupid meme or what?

>>1862679
>Bill knew that Bush was very uncomfortable with dealing with this question, and understood that he could take advantage of Bush by taking a more empathetic approach that directly addresses her question.
Now that's something that's seldom discussed in public speaking - reading the other speakers

>>1862722
Not sure what yo mean by "as an academic subject", what are you hoping to get out of it? HBR is probably the most authoritative source on articles and research on Management

>>1862880
I haven't read it, but I remember reading an article where a guy took umbrage with the way Robbins misrepresented Ray Dalio's portfolio advice -- something tantamount that by only investing in 3 things, you haven't attenuated your risk or volatility exposure at all and basically Robbins had grossly oversimplified what was originally a good idea.

>>1844416
literally a professional faggot

>>1844427
This book made me 5000 dollars so far. Its the only book i care to recommend.

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>>1844469
Art of war can be applied to anything from sales to parenting to buisness. Why not know the book alot of your rivals know

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Learn deal making skills

>>1856140
The 48 laws is good for wannabe pimps learning how to exploit stupid girls from poor backgrounds. Theirs nothing that eye opening in the book as ppl say.

>>1864324
Oh but I did, now whenever I'm on a business trip meeting with suppliers I always remember:

> XI. 21. Make forays in fertile country in order to supply your army with food.

Why stay at a hotel? We just steal corn or whatever staples we can find in the city we're visiting. THANKS SUN TZU

Oh and I never ever need to worry about my market being cannibalized by competitors, because of wise C-Level guru Sun Tzu tells me:

>Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted.

I mean clearly MySpace, Sony's Betamax, Yahoo!, Palm, Nokia, or the McDonalds brothers are just abherations?

No of course not. Sun Tzu's The Art of War in the 21st Century is simply a mirror into which you can project into the metaphorical aphorisms whatever insight about the world you want, a paredolia, it is not a practical guide, and the hubris of Mike Ovitz should be a perfect example of that.

>>1864595
this desu