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How do hospitals survive financially in the US if anyone can

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How do hospitals survive financially in the US if anyone can walk in needing treatment and they have to offer it even if the person says "sup I don't have any money"?
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>>1711615
>if anyone can walk in needing treatment and they have to offer it
They don't. Most hospitals are private, and other than legitimate emergency cases, they can refuse anyone.

Most cities/counties have one (maybe more than one) hospital designated for welfare patients. These hospitals get financial help from the state. but they obviously cut corners sometimes in order to make ends meet. You don't go to these hospitals if you can afford otherwise.
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>>1711622
>other than legitimate emergency cases, they can refuse anyone.
Wow this country is even more scummed up than I thought.
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>>1711635
Huh? Do you think McDonalds should give you free tendies just because you're hungry? Fuck off to 1950's Russia, faggot.
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>>1711644
>Fuck off to 1950's Russia
Or any modern developed country.
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>>1711644
Food and healthcare should be rights for tax paying citizens. You're a cuck to think otherwise

But yeah lining Raytheon and proctor and gambles pockets is a bigger priority than health insurance for every American citizen

Stay cucked with your third world mentality, everyone else in the civilized world looks down upon your country
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>>1711644
No, the government should pay McDonalds to give me the tendies, which is what they do with foodstamps.
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>>1711650

Please start by giving the government all of your money first. The rest of us are right behind you, trust me.
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>>1711615
the hospital can either choose to harvest whatever they want out of the patient to pay for the service - teeth, organs, skin, blood, etc - or they put the person to work as a janitor and take it out of their paycheck. many doctors began their medical career patients, then became janitors, and then worked their way up to doctor.
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>>1711649
>Or any modern developed country.
Nope. The only reason things are different in other countries is because your insurance system is different. Instead of one bad hospital per city, all your hospitals are shitty because they all serve the lowest common denominator.

The U.S. system has issues, sure. But we do have the best care in the world. I'll gladly take our flaws when it means I get to live years longer than your Eurofag ass.

>>1711651
Being poor and being hungry aren't the same thing, retard. I get hungry too, but I'm not a poorfag like you. We have NOTHING in common other than the need to eat food.

>>1711650
>Food and healthcare should be rights for tax paying citizens.
I never said otherwise. But access to healthcare doesn't mean you get to go to any hospital you want under any circumstances. It means you go to the poor people hospital and get poor people care. Don't like it? Get rich.
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>>1711662
What in the fuck?
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>>1711662
kek'd out loud
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>>1711658
My 3k saved up from my wagekek job won't do anything. If we hang the bankers we can get that health insurance you've been cucked into believing is "economically unfeasable"


REMINDER THAT IF YOU ARE NOT WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OR MORE YOU ARE A LITERAL KEKHOLD TO ACCEPT THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS
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>>1711665
1st world countries have national health services that are used by the vast majority of the population. Rich people can visit private clinics which are forced to provide exceptional service to justify their expense.

You're an American, so you think in terms of "winners and losers" and don't see a societal big picture. To you, a Walmart employee without health insurance is in that situation because they got themselves there. Any other influential factors don't come into account. You just judge them as incompetent and deserving of their fate, oblivious to advantages you have over them.

America really needs to start thinking about America as whole and realize that uplifting all of America at the same time would do nothing but help everybody.

The divide and conquer tactics your leaders use are effective though
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>>1711682
americans need a villain to conquer.
if we can't find one we'll go after our neighbors.
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>>1711682
>a Walmart employee without health insurance
There's no such thing, thanks to Obamacare. Your entire premise is false. Virtually everyone in America that has a job has health insurance
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>>1711699
Walmart employees are on Medicaid just like they were before Obamacare. Not exactly insurance since neither they nor their employer pays for it.
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>>1711699
ACA is targeted more towards people reasonably above the poverty line but not high enough above it to afford the exorbitant costs of HI if they don't get it from their employer. Walmart employees are generally below or at the poverty line thanks to Walton's SAVE MONEY, LIVE BETTER UNLESS YOU WORK HERE :^) philosophy
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>>1711682
>1st world countries have national health services that are used by the vast majority of the population.

This is the most retarded argument. Do you see the EU having one model? Of course not, because it would fucking suck. Stop treating the US like it is a one homogeneous country and treat it for what it is, a federation of states with widely different.

>uplifting all of America at the same time would do nothing but help everybody.

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” - Milton Friedman
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>>1711682
>get free healthcare when poor in america
>evil americans ch-chauvenism evil patriarchy
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>>1711704
Medicaid is for low-income people. Most people with jobs wouldn't need Medicaid, in part because they have private insurance and in part because they have income?

Why are you giving opinions about our health system when you know nothing about it?

>>1711713
>ACA is targeted more towards people reasonably above the poverty line but not high enough above it to afford the exorbitant costs of HI if they don't get it from their employer.
ACA requires employers to offer health insurance. How can you argue against a law when you don't even know what it says?

Jesus, the retards are out in force.
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>>1711717
>Most people with jobs wouldn't need Medicaid, in part because they have private insurance and in part because they have income?
takes three seconds on google to see that you're wrong.

Most Walmart workers are low-income. Just because you live in texas where everyone works there doesn't change the federal poverty level any.

Walmart doesn't offer affordable private insurance and you can't buy it even if they did because if your wages are below 1 1/2 times the poverty level you automatically get Medicaid.

except in the south where your state government refused the Medicaid expansion. There poor people can't get any insurance.
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R3MkrBYJ has cancer xD
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>>1711717
>ACA requires employers to offer health insurance.
Walmart and several other large companies got exemption from the law. Thanks, republicans.

you could google this stuff and save yourself some embarrassment.
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>>1711718
>Most Walmart workers are low-income.
>>1711721
>Walmart and several other large companies got exemption from the law.
If you're just going to make up facts, I'm done with you fag. My time is too valuable.

http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/working-at-walmart
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>>1711717
>ACA requires employers to offer health insurance.
Gee could've fooled me with all those employers dumping people onto the exchanges rather than giving them employer provided insurance.

>>1711724
>A corporate PR website is believable
Talk about retards out in full force.
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>>1711724
>My time is too valuable.
I see that.
you didn't bother googling a damn thing.
enjoy your lucrative Walmart career.
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>>1711725
>Gee could've fooled me with all those employers dumping people onto the exchanges rather than giving them employer provided insurance.
#fakenews

Sad!

You Trumptards can't even manage a simple debate, let alone a meaningful discussion. I don't know why I try.
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>>1711744
oh hey, it's the false-flag fake-liberal again.
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>>1711744
Uh, I'm a Berniefag.

Are you a libertarian to the right of the GOP?
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>>1711715
No reason for each state to not have a healthcare service which any funds the state can't cough up the Feds provide. You're quoting that kike fuck Milton so I know you're a shabbos goy that thinks he's got it figured it out
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>>1711716
Number one cause of bankruptcy in America you dumb hick
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>>1711756
also the quickest and easiest bankruptcy I've ever done.
>I see you're writing off $200k in bankcard debt
>yes sir
>is this because of the medical expense?
>most of it, yes
>I see you're also writing off $750k in medical expenses for two people?
>yes, sir
>Case closed. NEXT!
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>>1711615
By charging out the ass the people who will pay
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>>1711762
>I don't go to debtors prison, my country is totally not a shithole believe me

Meanwhile the idea that I would provide nearly half my income to the state and they wouldn't provide me with health insurance is laughable. It's a social contract, and it's always skewed towards those with the power, but it's particularly acute in America especially for a developed nation.
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It's sad really... there are parts of the US that I really enjoy, but it's just a deeply troubled nation. It definitely had and still does have the potential to be the greatest country on earth. But Trumps a lying fuck/he has his hands tied so nothing will change.
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>>1711764
>According to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, 55% of U.S. emergency care now goes uncompensated

I guess this is why insurance charges so much for emergency room stays? Seems like people are better off going to urgent care clinics for anything short of gunshot wounds and the like.
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>>1711769
>>I don't go to debtors prison, my country is totally not a shithole believe me
what are you on about?
I fully support the complete socialization of medicine in the US, I think our health care system is the grossest of injustices.

like most people that have a medical bankruptcy behind them. And don't even get me started on how insurers wouldn't cover pre-existing conditions. So if you have a medical bankruptcy you could never get health insurance again.
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>>1711782
>you could never get health insurance again.
or how that forces the disabled to remain in poverty because they can't afford to make money and lose their government health care.

the only real consolation I have is that many of the people voting to keep this system will one day be destroyed by it. We all get sick.
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>>1711762
Don't all kinds of horrible things happen to you if you go into bankruptcy though? It isn't a clean and happy process people want to have to go through. Also does it clear liens on your property that hospitals or the like may have made?
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>>1711786
It usually costs you everything you own worth more than $45k, and it ruins your credit for about 10 years.

it's a terrible option, and right after my last one the Republicans voted to make it more difficult and more expensive to do. So yeah, if you get seriously ill in America you're forced into poverty and lose anything of value you had.

Ironically this happens to the insured almost as often as the uninsured since insurance here had a cap on claims before Obamacare. Getting cancer or any disease that costs more than million dollars your insurance covers is a sentence to poverty and loss of all assets.
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>>1711786
for example, in that bankruptcy I lost two cars and a house. Luckily I was allowed to keep two other cars and a house. I had more than I needed of both.
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>>1711786
>does it clear liens on your property that hospitals or the like may have made?
hospitals and credit cards can't take liens against your property in my state. It doesn't clear existing liens on cars or houses by your bank, you still owe that money.
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>>1711793
>>1711795
>>1711798
Thanks for the info.
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>>1711801
thanks for letting me vent my spleen. This is something I feel strongly about having been through that wringer myself.
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>>1711802
I wanna feel bad for you, but I can't help but think you brought this on yourself. Why didn't you have insurance? Someone with 4 cars and 2 houses could have afforded it with ease.
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>>1711819
>Why didn't you have insurance?
I did.
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>>1711822
Then why did you have $950k in medical expenses? That's a hell of a deductible.
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>>1711854
I didn't.
'My' total medical expenses weren't much over $1.5 million.

1. not all of that credit card debt was medical expenses. I think about $80k was personal/business.
2. My insurance capped out at $1 million so it wouldn't have covered the debt.
3. The medical condition my kid had is automatically covered by the government (premature birth) so my insurance wouldn't cover any of it. However the government took 2 months to step in and pay the bills so I got stuck with a shitload of debt.

In retrospect I could've perhaps sued my insurance and the government and avoided bankruptcy, but at the time I didn't care about the money, all I wanted was for my wife and kid to live.
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>>1711756
go polish some women's boots you faggot beta male supplicator
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>>1711859
>The medical condition my kid had is automatically covered by the government (premature birth) so my insurance wouldn't cover any of it. However the government took 2 months to step in and pay the bills so I got stuck with a shitload of debt.
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>In retrospect I could've perhaps sued my insurance and the government and avoided bankruptcy, but at the time I didn't care about the money, all I wanted was for my wife and kid to live.
Wow. So you fucked up and didn't take advantage of the coverage you had, filed bankruptcy, lost your assets, and gave yourself a self-induced vendetta against the healthcare laws.

Sounds like Darwin was right.
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>>1711867
>So you fucked up and didn't take advantage of the coverage you had
legally they had no obligation to cover my kid.

My vendetta didn't come from that.
It comes from how the government and insurance companies treated my son.

he could never get insurance for his lifetime health problems (pre-existing condition).
and the government would only cover him if he makes no money (Medicaid).

meaning he's trapped for life into poverty and welfare because he can't afford his medical bills. Then came Obamacare to fix it. And it did.

but then you elect trump like the cock sucking faggot you are and try to take that away from him. You are the reason for my vendetta. But on the plus side I buy idiots like you every year. You've made me wealthy, and in time I'll take my wealth and move it to a country that doesn't let fuckers like you make the rules.

meanwhile you'll get cancer and lose everything you've worked 50 hours a week all your life for. Despite having insurance. And justice will be served.
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>>1711873
>legally they had no obligation to cover my kid.
Legally you're full of shit. Either you had coverage or you didn't. Stop lying.
>he could never get insurance for his lifetime health problems (pre-existing condition).
Prohibited under the ACA.
>and the government would only cover him if he makes no money (Medicaid).
Your problem, not his. Unless he was not a minor in which case he should have had his own insurance.
>then you elect trump like the cock sucking faggot you are and try to take that away from him
Yikes, reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, retard. I'm the one defending the ACA.
>You've made me wealthy
Roleplaying isn't going to help you.

You're obviously a bitter person because you know you made enormous financial mistakes in your past. You're also obviously a wackadoodle, and I'm not wasting my time debating complex political and financial topics with a barely functional retard.
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>>1711881
>Either you had coverage or you didn't.
have a premature kid and see.
>Prohibited under the ACA.
son was born long before the ACA
>I'm the one defending the ACA.
by attacking the people it was designed to protect?

you're an idiot. And I wish you were a tripfag so I could filter your stupid ass.
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>>1711885
>by attacking the people it was designed to protect?
I defend the ACA because its a good law; the best that could have passed at the time, and it does a lot more good than the problems it causes.

I attack you because you're a delusional, roleplaying, liar.

The two things are not incompatible. I'm a liberal but that doesn't make me tolerant of stupid people.

One final comment then I'm binning this thread: if you had insurance, as you claim, then you wouldn't have had to file for bankruptcy. Period.

Later.
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>>1711893
>I'm a liberal but that doesn't make me tolerant of stupid people.

oh hey, it's the false-flag fake-liberal again
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>>1711893
>if you had insurance, as you claim, then you wouldn't have had to file for bankruptcy. Period.
to be fair my son was born before you were, he's 12.

the laws were different way back then. Insurance didn't have to cover anything covered by Medicaid/SSI. And they didn't.
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the premature kid argument is basically like the only fucked up thing, which makes it probably some disinfo shill

and the guy on the other side is a retarded autist that probably can't see other perspectives

you both lose.
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>>1711644
>>1711635
>>1711650
NO, just no, that is bad for you, free healthcare is bad, universal income is bad.

See pic related
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>>1711881
>complex political and financial topics
If this is complex for you... I got some bad news
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>>1711682
ITT: taxation isn't theft
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>>1713215
Why do you care if politicians control poor people's lives?
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>>1711615
you know, there is this thing called free clinics, even in the US.
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>>1713215
>>>/x/
>>>/pol/
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>>1711682
it's the bogged down bleeding machine that is our gov't that got them there, now kindly fuck off, leaf.
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The privatized healthcare services in the US are absolute trash. I am currently experiencing a medical emergency that's causing me to permanently lose my eyesight. It's been nine months now and I'm still waiting to get treated.

It's expensive to hire specialists, so the j00s that run the hospitals skimp on hiring them to boost profits, and you have to wait three months for an emergency appointment where they just barely talk to you for 15 minutes and then leave because they're so swamped.

It's a retarded system and there is literally no reason to defend it.
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>>1714480
>going blind
>wastes his final sighted days browsing 4chan
You truly are a special little fellow.

>Also, maybe the reason the good doctors won't treat you is because you're an uneducated racist asshole.
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>>1714500
>>wastes his final sighted days browsing 4chan
>>Also, maybe the reason the good doctors won't treat you is because you're an uneducated racist asshole.
I mean, if that's what you want to believe to make your retarded ideas about healthcare easier to stomach, then sure go ahead and tell yourself that
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>>1711615

They are only obligated to treat emergencies. For most, it lowers their profits but they still make do.

Many in poor areas go belly up because of it, though. Poor people just let their health get so bad and wait until it's a legit medical emergency.

t.former hospital employee.
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>>1714599
>Poor people just let their health get so bad and wait until it's a legit medical emergency.
Gee I wonder why that could be. Maybe it's because...THEY CAN'T AFFORD PREVENTIVE CARE?
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>>1714651

Maybe they should use they food stamps to buy healthy food and not cigs or booze.

Maybe they should save some money to go to the doctor regularly instead of buying fancy "smart" phones and luxury cars.
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You dont you just die. The only place they are required to help you is the ER. Every other place wont help unless you have money.
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>>1714730
I don't know what poor people you've been associating with but the only ones who can afford luxury cars are fraudsters.

Also, food stamps do not cover cigs and booze.
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>>1714757
not necessarily true. In the US at least we don't usually count the value of 2 cars and one house when determining eligibility for welfare.

so a person could in theory live in a huge mansion, drive a Ferrari and a Lamborghini, and still get free health care. This doesn't happen often though. And when it does people get pissed.

I recall a case in seattle a couple years back. A couple sitting on millions of dollars worth of home and cars qualified for welfare for years. As I recall they were investigated up and down but ultimately not charged with any crime and presumably are still collecting welfare checks.
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>>1714757
>Also, food stamps do not cover cigs and booze.

Not in California: https://sdrostra.com/kimberly-dvorak/welfare-checks-can-be-used-to-buy-alcohol-and-cigarettes-in-california/

t.Californian
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>>1714757
>>1714772

It varies by state: http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/ebt-electronic-benefit-transfer-card-restrictions-for-public-assistance.aspx
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>>1714772
California is all kinds of fucked up.
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>>1711635
>Wow this country is even more scummed up than I thought.
Oh anon... you have no, no idea at all.
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>>1714748

The hospital will bill you for services rendered. They don't ask you how much money you have in the bank
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>>1711622
>>1711635
That's because this retard is incorrect. Even if private, if the hospital accept Medicare or Medicaid patients, you can't refuse anyone for treatment regardless of their ability to pay.

First off emergency care CHARGES are high, but the cost in reality isn't that much. The doctors and nurses are there anyway and bum fuck nig nog usually comes in, detoxes, shits on the floor, and goes on their way.

Second "losses" are recouped by over charging private insurance holders and attempts to get as high a reimbursement on Medicare and Medicaid. Most nig nogs have Medicaid anyway so it's not that often that there's 0 payment made - just not as much as what the hospital attempted to over charge for.

I work for a hospital, in the emergency department, and no, I'm not Pablo who wipes ass.
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>>1715165
>if the hospital accept Medicare or Medicaid patients

>If the hospital accepts poor people, then the hospital accepts poor people

You're a special boy, huh?
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>>1711650
>everyone in the civilized world looks down upon your country

lol sure, buddy. why do you even care then? i could give a fuck about your cucked nation.
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>>1711677
You need to be 18 to post here, buddy.
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>>1711779
Correct because the emergency room is for fucking emergencies, not "i have the sniffles"
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>>1711793
>out of pocket maximum, 6k/year

How? Or is it that poor people have 15-20k/year out of pocket maximums and just can't pay it over 3-4 years while not working?

Honestly though if you have assets >45k and shitty health insurance you're pretty retarded.
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>>1711795
So you have 4 cars and two houses but no good health insurance if I read this correctly. Well that settles my understanding.
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>>1711662
ahahahah this got me
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>>1711881
>Unless he was not a minor in which case he should have had his own insurance.

Premature babies are generally minors, muchacho.
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>>1715165
I thought they could refuse treatment if it isn't an emergency? Like say someone has some obscure pain disorder and has a flare up. Does that count as an emergency?

>>1715194
All he needed to have was an employer who picked a group of insurance plans which skimped on coverage in areas which happened to impact his situation. It isn't like he'd have much of an easy option to go elsewhere since it was before ACA. And even then an employer plan would've been much cheaper for the employee than just some random plan you have to buy into which encourages employees to just go with whatever their employer offers.
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Hey America, explain this

Let me guess, muh evil government. Well you've got quite a ways to go to get on the same level as government provided health care. So good luck with that one.
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>>1715584
No that doesn't count as an emergency. If your life isn't in danger then it isn't classified as an emergency.
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>>1711665
You post rates for the most easily 'cured' cancers. Post some for stomach or pancreas.
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I work for a large cancer institute at a large health care 'system'.

2016 financials were saved by the cost of chemo drugs that were billed. Talk about raping people and insurance. That's how our institute makes money.

> Small, poor people area hospitals
These are all getting bought out by larger systems now. Soon a certain few hospitals are going to be ' too big to fail ' and the government is going to have to help them out when they are in trouble.

> Poor people waiting until it is worst case scenario
This is true. My health care system does a lot of community outreach events and such that does actually get people in for screenings and such. A lot of them don't come back for treatment when they do find something.
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>>1711699
>Virtually everyone in America that has a job has health insurance
I just don't think so, Im in that area of income where i don't get subsidized for my insurance thanks to obamacare but yet have to pay $250 a month to have insurance. I know alot of people that are no longer paying their insurance. Why should they pay for peoples insurance that have no job and are useless to society.

The government punishes you hard for trying to do better in life and then they give everything to people that are useless as fuck.

If rich people stopped paying their health Obamacare would collapse due to the way it's is designed to bring everyones money together to pay for each others health insurance whether those people contribute or not.
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>>1715609
> Pay $39 to hold your own child

Does this explain it?
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>>1715639
But I thought free markets were so much cheaper
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>>1715632
>A lot of them don't come back for treatment when they do find something.
So basically we already have people dying in the streets because they can't pay for treatment?

>>1715635
>Im in that area of income where i don't get subsidized for my insurance thanks to obamacare but yet have to pay $250 a month to have insurance.

Perhaps you should be happy that if you ever get down on your luck after losing a job or something you'll have a safety net to keep you from becoming totally destitute.

>If rich people stopped paying their health Obamacare would collapse due to the way it's is designed to bring everyones money together to pay for each others health insurance whether those people contribute or not.

If rich people stopped paying for health insurance that would be taking a big risk on their part. They wouldn't risk it just to "screw over" the poor man. They have plenty of other ways to do that. And if they stopped paying their taxes the system would also collapse but again, they would not want to do that because of the consequences.

>>1715639
That can't be what that means............right?
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>>1715609
The trouble is that when these private hospitals and clinics get confronted for having excessive costs, their solution is simply to skimp on care to save their profit margins. When you have a medical problem and the doctor has a choice between runing a test and "let's just wait and see what happens," they'll err on the side of doing nothing.

This isn't just from a patient's perspective either. All of my relatives work in healthcare, my mom is clinical psychologist, and my dad is a nephrologist and one of the hospital's medical directors. These places are about making money first and treating patients second. For fucks sake, the clinic where my mom works is considering axing their entire behavorial health department because it's not making enough money, and leaving all the people with mental health issues in our area out to dry.

The profit motive has no place in healthcare.
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>>1715827
>That can't be what that means............right?

That's what it means.

t.husband of mommy-baby care LVN
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>>1715639
>>1715827

In the case of a C-section, where the bedside caregiver is occupied caring for the mother during surgery, an additional nurse is brought into the OR to allow the infant to remain in the OR suite with the mother, that nurse costs money.
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>>1715996
This type of thing is why I find capitalism so detestable. There's no humanity, just money money money.
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>>1716006
If you have a nurse in the room with you, she could be using that time to do other shit like tending to a sickly patient instead of watching you hold your baby in case anything goes wrong. So you get charged.
It's not "detestable", it basic economics.
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>>1711622
This is wrong. They have to treat you no matter what. BUT...

>>1711615
They send you a huge bill after ten send you home.
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>>1716006

So I suppose at your job you work a couple extra hours each day for free? Because it's about the "humanity" right, not the money?
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>>1716015
>If you have a nurse in the room with you, she could be using that time to do other shit like tending to a sickly patient instead of watching you hold your baby in case anything goes wrong. So you get charged.
Don't you think that's obvious? But you're putting a price on a parent being able to hold their child after the child is born by doing that, which is detestable. Nor do I think that what, 10 minutes of that nurse's time is worth 40 bucks.

>>1716042
The 40 bucks does not go directly to the nurse, hoss. It goes to the hospital. The nurse gets paid the same no matter what her superiors tell her to do for that time.
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>>1711615
TIL that /biz/ thinks capitalism is evil and it's actually a communist board.

Wow. Really makes me think.
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>>1716047
>capitalism is evil
It's not. There's just a few areas where it doesn't belong. Medical services and religion are two of those.
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>>1716045
>you're putting a price on a parent being able to hold their child after the child is born by doing that, which is detestable
That nurse's labor isn't free you fuckwit, stop thinking with your pussy and think your brain instead
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>>1716075
The nurse should still get paid. The hospital should take the hit.
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>>1716082
The nurse does get paid, with the fee you get charged, and the hospital takes the "hit" with the benefits they probably give her.
Grow up.
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>>1715996

I find the fact that it's itemized on the receipt in poor taste. What's next: sew up mother's torn vagina? Change baby's diaper?
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>>1716056
>. There's just a few areas where it doesn't belong. Medical services and religion are two of those.

You do realize that the Labour Party's position was that capitalism didn't belong in the coal, steel, telecom, railway, shipbuilding, airline, or aerospace industry, right?

You can string that "capitalism doesn't belong in X industry" as far as you want.
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>>1716105
But that's not what I said, was it? Maybe you should try to avoid putting words in other people's mouths.
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>>1716108
I like nightime /biz/ when all the communist yuropoors go to sleep and the rest of us can focus on making money. They'll never know what it's like to not be poor.

Just a few more hours now.
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>>1716094
I didn't realize nurses make 40 dollars every 10 minutes after benefits.
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>>1714480
>Complaining about three months when Canada/England will have you wait 1-5yrs

You've never dealt with any other form of healthcare have you?
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>>1715609
Its the cost of having the highest survival rates and quality of life after.
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>>1714480
>privatized healthcare services in the US

There's not such thing, you stupid cuck. Something can't be "privatized" if it was never nationalized or socialized.
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>>1716119
I live in the US, but the only difference between us is that I've actually interacted with out healthcare system from both the patient and provider's perspective.

Your ignorance must be pure bliss.

>>1716143
Well, currently my treatment time is still undefined because I can't see a doctor. It's like dividing by zero.

It's amazing how much you can pay in this country to not get treated.

>>1716149
They're owned by private, for-profit entities.
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>>1716156
>They're owned by private, for-profit entities.

No shit, sherlock. This is from the Merriam-Webster dictionary: to make private; especially : to change (as a business or industry) from public to private control or ownership

Definition of idiot: (You)
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>>1716180
Good, so we agree that their primary function is to make money.

Also I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by calling me names.
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>>1716188
>Good, so we agree that their primary function is to make money.

No, fuckface. There are many not-for-profit hospitals. Lots of universities have hospitals and not to mention the religiously-affiliated hospitals.

Heck, there's even some not-for profit health plans that have zero affiliation. There used to be a lot of company hospitals before they realized that it's a better deal (for them and their employees) to be given health insurance.

Learn about America before spouting bull shit.
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>>1716218
>There are many not-for-profit hospitals. Lots of universities have hospitals and not to mention the religiously-affiliated hospitals.
Well I'm sure glad those exist somewhere, but they're not helping me at the moment.

Also sixth generation American, BTW.
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>>1716188
>Good, so we agree that their primary function is to make money.

And how do they make money if not by offering the best service possible?

Oh, right, Obamacare and regulations take care of giving them money even if they suck.
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>>1715614
Well both your legs are broken and 1 eyeball is hanging out, not an emergency. Yeah no...
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>>1717412
>And how do they make money if not by offering the best service possible?
Here, let me answer your question:

By being the only available entity offering medical services which you need to stay alive. There is negligible competition for medical care.
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>>1715584
>I thought they could refuse treatment if it isn't an emergency? Like say someone has some obscure pain disorder and has a flare up. Does that count as an emergency?

Nope, they can't deny you treatment. Why do you thing nig nogs walk in there for a sore throat? They have to treat everyone for anything every time. You can walk in and out several times a day if you wanted. It's a federal law too so it's not just something for the blue cuck states.

Regarding the employer part, I agree. I'm sure employers pick shit plans. It's amazing though how much during info sessions people try to rationalize the lowest cost plans - even when I know their job and can easily afford a decent plan. The system is messy but a good amount of the blame is also on people not willing to pay for it - not necessarily not able to afford it. People claim poverty for necessities all the time but when it comes to fun, there's plenty of money.

My advice to people buying health insurance - look at the yearly out of pocket maximum and attempt to set aside 2 years worth of that money (pre tax). All the copays and everything else don't really mean much in the grand scheme of things as health insurance is really for access and avoiding a bankruptcy.

The issue of course is that the people who truly can only afford the cheapest plans, have 15-20k out of pocket maximum yearly for families. At that level, it'd be better to not have insurance as they don't have anywhere near 20k and would likely go bankrupt. They might as well just save the money from the premiums and negotiate the bill with the hospital.

Just for everyone to know though, the exorbitant CHARGES from a hospital are almost never what anyone or any entity ever pays. If you have no insurance and you get a massive bill, call the hospital and they will 100% knock off like 80% of the bill. They have to charge everyone that so they can cuck insurance providers who then cuck the hospital. If they charged you less, it'd be illegal.
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>>1715167
>most hospitals are private
They still take Medicare and Medicaid patients, retard

Show those "majority" of hospitals that don't accept two of the largest insurance providers in the country.

>Medicare
>Poor

Maybe you should google what things mean first
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>>1715850
>When you have a medical problem and the doctor has a choice between runing a test and "let's just wait and see what happens," they'll err on the side of doing nothing.

I'd wanna call bullshit. If something was legit wrong, and it wasn't found out from a doctor "not wanting to do a test", they get sued out the ass.
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>>1718418
>If something was legit wrong, and it wasn't found out from a doctor "not wanting to do a test", they get sued out the ass
Believe me, myself and the other medical professionals in my family are considering that option.
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>>1718418

That's what happened to my grandmother. She kept going to the doctor complaining of bone pain for a few years. It got so bad that she couldn't walk. Turned out to be Multiple Myeloma. If it was caught early she could have lived a few years longer. Her doc didn't order an MRI. We knew we could sue but didn't want to go through the trouble.
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>>1711615
procedures are only done if they have money to pay. if theyre unconscious theyll bill their insurance company or have them pay for it if they dont have anyone to sign for them.
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>>1711650
>FOR TAX PAYING CITIZENS

I totally agree... For tax paying citizens, as in one's who don't benefit from the system, as in one's who ACTUALLY pay in. Aka not the bottom two fed brackets.

Hospital Finance Director here.... Annoyed as fuck by people who demand care and can't pay for it.
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>>1719498
>when you have to buy a honda civic instead of a porsche 911 because you can't milk desperate dying people for money
i crie everytiem ;_;
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>>1711615
>>>1719498
>>when you have to buy a honda civic instead of a porsche 911 because you can't milk desperate dying people for money
>i crie everytiem ;_;


I went to school to manage medical finance. Most medical professionals are highly specialized. Thus why we get paid.

You are literally saying that highly skilled professions shouldn't cry over not being paid.

I must ask what pleb tier job you hold, sir?
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>>1719527
>>1720046
Pleb Ultra Cuck
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>>1720064
Hah my point exactly. I get paid what I get paid because it is specialized, not easily replicable, and also complex.

Burger flippers and NEETS are the contrary.
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>>1720046
And let me add one more point. It isnt the sad souls slowly dieing of cancer, they are fine and not a burden.

It is statically the poor, irresponsible, drunk/smokers who have absolutely no care for their health and leech off the system that are ruining it for everyone else.

Any fat, unhealthy, or drunk who comes in DIRECTLY increases the cost of care for all of us who actually pay into the system.
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>>1711658
>>1711644
UK spends less per capita on health care than America and we have full funded free world-class health care for everyone


hahahahahahahahahahah
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>>1720198
>we have full funded free world-class health care for everyone

Why do I see on the news that NHS Trusts are underfunded, people die waiting for treatment, the Red Cross said that the NHS is in a state of humanitarian crisis, and wealthy people use private healthcare?
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>>1720701
Exactly.
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>>1720046
>>1720158
>>1720168
Actually I'm a master's student in computational aerospace engineering.

And yet they're sitting on their overpaid ass while my retinas turn into swiss cheese.
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>>1711751
Back to pol retard.
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>>1720929
LOL OK bub.

Not even a real master's program for that lolol.
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>>1721102
K. Just thank me the next time you ride on an airplane and the turbine blades don't melt.
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>>1720198
>UK spends less per capita on health care than America and we have full funded free world-class health care for everyone

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. no.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9591814/Patients-starve-and-die-of-thirst-on-hospital-wards.html
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>>1715584
>I thought they could refuse treatment if it isn't an emergency?

Niggers will walk into the ER complaining of a stomach ache and you're legally obligated to give them drugs. Can't be refused otherwise the Fed will come down on you. They'll do rounds to collect painkillers.

Meanwhile chronic pain patients with degenerative bone conditions so bad you can see it through their fucking skin are treated by the same government as criminals, their mail subject to search, put through invasive blood and urine drug testing to check their levels (to make sure they're taking their prescriptions and not cutting half off to sell), and their doctors harassed and threatened by the Fed if they have too many pain patients for being "pushers" - as they're handing out too many painkillers.

Before we drain the swamp you need to fill it with the bodies of drowned Jews. Then set them on fire.
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>>1723477
>>I thought they could refuse treatment if it isn't an emergency?

>Niggers will walk into the ER

Shocking that the retarded /pol/ster doesn't know what the "E" in "ER" stands for. Retard.
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>>1711622
wrong they cant refuse you for emergency


>>1711615
OP why do you think healthcare is so expensive? the extra charges take into account the losses the hospital takes when treating illegal immigrants and homeless junkies.

if hospitals were allowed to refuse service, insurance companies wouldnt have to pay out to the hospital for non paying customers, and then the actual subscribed insurance patients like you and me wouldnt have such high premiums.

thanks obama
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>>1723954
>wrong they cant refuse you for emergency

Read. slowly. next. time. you. stupid. retard.

>>1711622
>Most hospitals are private, and other than legitimate emergency cases, they can refuse anyone.
>other than legitimate emergency cases
>emergency cases
>emergency
>emergency
>emergency
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>>1711615

Even a corrupt poor country like Venezuela has free healthcare.
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>>1714772
Welfare is different than food stamps. Food stamps can't be used for cigs and booze. Was homeless in California and on food stamps.
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>>1724354
Yeah and it's totally shit
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here is ozfalia

with "free medicare"
it called a que.

You will sit there for 4~48 hours if you go to emergency, if not for ever. everyones noes this and so just takes the pain most of the time.

They know they will have to sit in a room full of sick moaning people and basically never be seen.
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>>1711644
no but the state does not really stop me growing my own food in my yard if i wanted to, but the do stop me self proscribing most medicines that would help
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>>1724951
Not saying it's not shit but you ever been there to know?
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>>1725830
>no but the state does not really stop me growing my own food in my yard if i wanted to
Um, yeah they do. Try raising a herd of cattle or planting a field of corn in a residential neighborhood and see how quickly the government comes down on your ass.
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