So what college degree is actually worth it?

STEM, Business, Medicine and Law

Depends on who you are, what you enjoy and what you're good at. If you're not smart enough all degrees are a waste of effort even if you pick a good one.

>>1634428
>Business
>Law

Look, if you're really into that then go for it, but business degrees will hardly get you a job and law is just painful.

On what bracket is welding at?

criminal science great tier????

>>1634434
Eveything that gives jobs is kind of a business if not a business

STEM, healthcare, accounting, or trades (if you're doing community college).

Everything else is bullshit unless you already have good connections. Check em

In my opinion, law has the best effort/reward ratio of all studies. the level of prestige you gain as a law graduate is enormour whilst the studies are actual not that difficult

>>1634497

I do agree that attorneys have prestige, but unless you graduate from I top school I've heard that jobs are hard to come by and you could be stuck doing public defending or something.

Should I major in Business Administration, Computer and Information Systems, or become an Electrician?

>>1634506

Personally I'd forget business unless it's a top school or you're doing accounting.

I'd aim for tech because it has a higher income cap and prestige than electrician but if that fails keep electrician as a backup option.

>>1634431
Persistence is really the deciding factor in getting a degree, intelligence not so much

>>1634504
Depends

Law =/= legal practice

You could also work in government positions or internally at businesses in an advisory position. All depending on the field of law. I'm soon graduating in competition/state aid/procurement law which gives loads of options

>>1634410
Here is the real answer:

No matter what you major in, you MUST do well in it, and you MUST have experience in the industry by means of internships, etc, and also connections help a lot. You can study what you love, but you need to be committed and at the top of your field to be able to find a job.

If you just go to class and then leave, or don't join any kind of club or extracurricular activity, and you don't try to get to know your teachers, then you will have a much harder time finding a job.

How is economics?

>>1634431
This. A finance or business degree is useless if you dont have the social or leadership skills.

It really depends on the person. A police officer or former military may find a wildlife degree or something useful to become a ranger. A finance degree would be useless to a person without the social and leadership skills to succeed in that career. You can't just look at the pay and demand.

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>>1634531
Computer Engineer here.
You are absolutely clueless.

Carpentry.

>>1634410
>do a god-tier degree
>industry dies a few months before i graduate

been looking for a job since :^)

any engineer bros here?

>>1634410
Comp sci needs to be moved to suicide tier

I've heard the local college only teaches people php/js for computer science

Granted it could land you a web dev job, but unless you go into EE or SE its basically worthless

Medicine
Statistics/Actuarial
Computer Science
Business
Law, if you actually make it worthy
Mechanical Engineering
Industrial and Systems Engineering
Pharmacology
IT

That's it. Liberal arts only if you are on a Ivy League. Other STEM babbies can fuck off

>>1634649
Most schools teach you Java because its the most employable.

>>1634497
Law school in tacoland is God tier and not even as hard as it is in America

And about 80% of Law grads earn more than STEM aspies

>>1634651
Only if its old corporate work

Java is becomming more useless each year

But that's besides the point

Js(javascript) is in No way shape or form java

Local college only teaches real languages like cpp or java in software engineering and shit.

Comp sci is about to become the next liberal arts degree.

The true memes for a brighter tomorrow are electrical engineer or anything with the word "engineering" and not "science".

>>1634410
WTF is "Mech. Engy"?

I originally assumed it to mean mechanical engineering... except that "Mech. engineer" is listed separately. I suppose "Engy" could mean "energy", though I've not heard of Mechanical Energy degrees. But the fact that you've also included "Civil Engy" makes that more unlikely.

I'm currently in 1st semester of comp sci major

I realized that I came to uni with so many credits from APs that it would be easy to get double major or minor.

How good would a Business degree go with a Comp Sci major. Currently thinking of doing Finance or Operations Management & Business Analytics. My school has really good comp sci and business programs

>>1634650
>Medicine
Not worth it anymore. General physicians, pediatricians, etc. are being replaced by nurse practitioners. Not worth the money hoping you're one of the few that actually get into a surgeon or radiologist program just to end up making $180K as a normal doctor and likely getting replaced by a $90K FNP.

>Statistics/Actuarial
Not everybody is good at math. I have no idea how one can be bad at math, but that's just reality.

>Computer Science
If you're autistic enough to actually get this degree, then you likely don't have the social skills to get a good job.

>Business
Again, completely useless if you don't have social and leadership skills. Sure you can learn them, but you still won't beat the thousands of natural leaders that are applying for the same jobs.

>Law, if you actually make it worthy
It's saturated. Only really worth it if you have connections and know you'll have a position after you graduate.

>Mechanical Engineering
>Industrial and Systems Engineering
Again, it takes a very specific person to make these type of degrees worthwhile. Just because Glassdoor says it pays this and Indeed says it has this many jobs doesn't mean shit when picking a degree.

>Pharmacology
Requires somebody highly skilled in math and science. It also requires social skills and a business minded person. It's not just a get good grades easy job anywhere like accounting or nursing.

>IT
Probably the safest best for most autists on here.

>>1634648
What industry? I was thinking about aerospace.

>>1634410
Just pass the egoCOMPOSS test

>>1634410

You want to know the majors that are useful for business? Simple.

Finance
Accounting
Mathematics
Economics

These are the four majors you have to choose from if you want to work in something like Asset Management, Investment Banking, Commercial Banking, Corporate Finance, or Sales and Trading.

If you want to be a successful in business/finance then make sure you get a FAME degree.

Business Administration, Marketing, International Business, etc are all shit-tier meme degrees. Fuck that garbage.

>>1635180
I mean, i was talking from a latam perspective but you're right that if you're autistic forget about getting a job outside of IT or software engineering. And that's the main reason why most people here, and in the outside world, are unemployed.

Just get a masters in Mathematical Finance if you want to make big bucks.
I did. I'm making big bucks.

So according to /biz/ getting a degree in business is worthless even though I plan on starting a business in 10 years?

>>1634410
>aerospace engineer
>unbelievable tier

maybe unbelievably unemployable tier

my roommate studied it and is stuck in some company with 0 possibilty to advance because its all nepotism. you are so insanely specialised in that field thats its almost impossible to find work somewhere else.

Seriously good luck getting a satisfying high paying job with that

>>1634941
I assumed it was a typo/double up...

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>>1634448
>accounting
the STEM of business

>>1635997
its only worth it if you go to Sloan or Wharton

>>1635387
>>1635387
What about supply chain management? From what I've read it's supposed to be in demand now.

>>1636072
I feel like it will be easily automated. Every major i think of i seem to find a flaw in it. Whether its CS, Engy, IT, or accouting

>>1634410
>math in god tier

There's an old joke about math degrees and pizzas that I can't be assed to type out.

>>1635180
>I have no idea how one can be bad at math, but that's just reality.
I don't get it either. It's just a matter of looking at it until you understand it.

>>1636254
>he took Calc 1 and got a B-
>suddenly thinks all math is easy

>>1635180
>>Mechanical Engineering
>>Industrial and Systems Engineering
These are the subjects that I find the most interesting of all. I don't care about salary as long as my projects will be interesting.
>>1635668
What's MF like? What's your work like?

>>1634665
It must be so thrilling to work everyday and represent Cartel people and not know if you will be dead the next day, I mean that unsarcastically. Just getting up, getting your client off, you get a gift of two prime hookers and some blow, you wake up and do it again...shit sounds cash, like a real life action movie.

>>1635180
Overall, I cannot disagree with this post, are you a HR Manager, because its pretty on point.

>Medicine
Well, people are going to do it regardless of what everyone says. Everyone says its too expensive for the life you get and takes too long but some people need to get that power trip of being the man everyone needs to kiss his/her ass, no nurse/PA is going to give me an attitude etc. It should be noted that both Physician Assistant and NP are becoming the New Med School and standards are skyrocketing. 3.6GPA w/ a mess of extra curics is going to be a minimum soon.

>Stats
I think anyone can be good at math but it just is unavoidable, they had a bad culture that hated math, their moms or dads were like "oh shit, I hate that subject, good luck" or they just got early D's in it then got discouraged.

>>1634410
>1 year Secondary Education degree a shit
yeah, because going to school for 1 year and being guaranteed an entry $45k job is so shit

>>1636254
>>1635180

I always lose track of what the fuck I'm doing halfway through a calculation.

Also, it there's about a billion formulae that are to be memorized, and I don't know how you can remember the shit.

I finally figured out what I want to go to college for: political science.

Why does everyone say it is bad? I want to help people. In government.

>>1636484
you will learn something someone else picks up by the wayside, except you pay for it while they're paying for a useful education, and then expect to be remunerated for your sagacious insights

>>1636484
Look for interships/scholarships from the county your school is located. if you do political sci then you shouldn't be paying for it completely

>>1636269
>What's MF like? What's your work like?
Went to London Imperial, the Masters wasn't particularly difficult math wise as long as you put in the hours. Kind of like undergrad, just that the ridiculous debt was constantly in the back of my mind.
I come from a eastern european country, so if I couldn't get a job after the masters, the debt I took on to get the degree would probably eat me alive. Little did I know that the uni did everything in their power to get me all the possible opportunities to get a job. And a good job I got. Not a top firm, but still pretty damn good.
I'm a bit paranoid so I'll refrain from naming too many specifics.

Job itself, is quite fun. Never a quiet moment, always on your toes, keep solving problems, and I'm really humbled by all the intelligent people around me. You always have to be ahead of the competition. You have to live and breathe the job. If you don't, you risk falling behind and that's I believe where some people don't understand.

I love my job. If you don't love this, no matter how much you love money, you won't last long.

How about just get a normal job and stop being a greedy fuck, I'm 29 and work at a factory for 12 dollars an hour and I do just fine and I don't even have a college degree or anything

Stay mad school nerds I didn't even need school to live a decent life

>>1636313
45k a year is too much unless you're literally defending the country, 45k is a lot of money for 1 year

>>1635387
How do you get into the fields you listed with a math degree?
>>1635668
Thinking of doing this exact thing (mathematical finance). How is it? What exactly is your job like?

>>1634410

I'm doing a bachelor of arts degree in philosophy and then law school (JD).

>>1636612
Math is for straight up nerds bud, seriously get into roofing or brick laying and you'll actually get laid and be respected by men

>>1636612
>How do you get into the fields you listed with a math degree?
With a masters and some Finance knowledge how do you not?

>>1635997
>Take that 60K you'd spend on university
>Spend it on various startups
>Even if you lose all of it you gain valuable experience
>???
>Profit

>>1634431
I'm like alright with computers and know some programming, but I'm more passionate about anything else?... I think law is more interesting.

>>1636592
>12 dollars an hour.
>Decent life.
Kek.

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>>1636592
Nigga, you make around 20k a year. 20 mutha fucking K per year. You can't even afford anything outside the bare minimum for survival. You think your "comfortable" shit life is going to last forever? You are ensuring that by retirement age you will still be an indentured servant because you never ever saved for retirement. You're sealing the deal on the next injury/illness or loss of job will put your sorry ass on the street. And the worst part about this is you can get double the income without even getting a degree by getting certified in something else. How does it feel to be a poorfag and a pleb rolled up into one?

>>1636745
Has any anon ever been so utterly and totally BTFO as this one post in the history of 4chan?

>>1636587
I love STEM and finance, they both really intrigue and fascinate me.

I think STEM fascinates me more, but finance can be more rewarding. I think I might have to go for STEM, and hope that one of my many ideas can be brought to life with my newfound knowledge. And I think the way to finance from STEM is easier than the other way around, were I to be wrong.

>>1634428
>STEM
I'll tell you right now that STEM is quickly becoming a meme. Make sure that if you're going into that that you go in understanding you'll need to be the top 20% of your class if you want a chance of getting a dream job outta of uni.

>>1637394
Oh, and make sure you're in the top 50% if you don't want to end up flipping burgers.

>>1637394
>>1637396
Stop the memes plz, I'm doing a engineering bachelor where over the last years everyone who got his degree got multiple job offers.
I'm sure there are other STEM degrees that don't have a lot of job security.
But overall job demand is rising in the tech sector.

>>1634410
I'm in physics but I'm considering switching to applied math (specifically, statistics) and throw a bunch of software engineering & finance classes in there as well because I'll have quite a few open course slots due to overlap between applied math courses and physics courses.

Thoughts?

is computer engineering good? Im studying it now.

>>1637405
If you don't want to work in science or physics etc. then applied math would probably be better for you but they're both solid choices.

>>1637408
well desu I would love to work in science/physics but I've gotten the impression that the opportunities for getting into proper research are pretty slim.

It's just that applied math + SW eng + finance seems like a very comfy, safe and solid combo but I would kinda feel like I "gave up" though if I don't continue on with physics (applied physics down the road) because that's what I'm truly passionate about if you understand what I mean

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I'm graduating in May 2017 with a CS degree and I just accepted (yesterday) a full-time Entry-Level Software Developer job that starts in June. Is pic related accurate? I don't have to decide on financial stuff, health insurance, etc. until my first week there, but I really want to understand the basics before I get to that point. Right now I'm just focused on getting out of college, C's get degrees, that kind of thing.

>>1637412
if you're passionate about physics then do it - I don't really know about the job market in that sector but it's a science so you'll probably have a lot of opportunities especially if it's something you're genuinely interested.

>>1637425
lmao 20% is fucking nothing, try doing 50%. If you don't have enough stuff to get by for the first couple months, fill those basic needs and then save/pay off loans with a minimum of 50% of your take-home pay. You're a software dev so I assume you're making 60k+, you will be able to live comfortably doing this.

>>1637452
I'll be making about 55k but I live in the south so cost of living is pretty low.

I'm graduating a semester before my girlfriend who is going into nursing. We both have student loans that we want to pay off w/in 5 years at the most. So our priorities look pretty much like this at this point:

- basic living expenses (apartment, food)
- save for car (maybe buy lightly used from a rental agency - heard this can be a good deal)
- save for house in a while (in a couple of years)
- devote remaining chunk of income into paying down loans
- both get credit cards and pay them off every month to build credit for house, car, big purchases

>>1637405
Eng. here, I've got the same plan. But if possible I also want to focus on the setups that are specialized to run the algos.
So developing/building software and hardware seems really fun to me.

Next year gonna do a finance minor, after that I'm gonna make my decision.
Probably gonna do a EE master after my bachelor.

>>1634410
Short answer: Anything you're really good at (as in; better than 80>% others around you).

Most people would say freelance (2d/3d) animation is a shitty field to choose. Yet I earn a steady 7000-8000 euros a month.

>>1634410
Is a math degree actually worth it? I'm planning on studying that or chemistry, the latter seems much more applicable and flexible. What potential job options do I obtain with a math degree?

>>1634506
union electrician here (second year apprentice). The money in my city is pretty good six figures, health care for me and my family for life, god tier pension and annuity not including the social security. The work is alright it is a lot of industrial construction. However if you are motivated there is no end to side work thus extra money you could make. If you are really a worker you could start a side shop and make bank, again if you are willing to do the work.

>>1636296
Typical sheltered dumbo. Law can get you to be the fucking ceo of a business unit here, not everything is about the cartels (though yes what you said is semi accurate).

>>1636548
What do you mean I shouldn't have to pay completely? Why shouldn't I?

How about a biotech degree?

>>1634410
Degrees that you are obliged to have in order to being a professional in that area

>>1634410
Serious question guys:
In what degree do grades matter most?
Like when you have good grades, you don't need work experience etc. (kinda like the opposite of law or business)

Should I major in accounting or finance if im going to a literally who college?

none. making money off youtube etc is the only way to win. otherwise you are a commuting cuck.

No radiography ? I started on £19 an hour working for an agency.

>>1637773
t. I make $70 a month off youtube

>>1636592
good luck affording 4 personal watercraft like that

none actually.

just wait a few more years and the market will be flooded with engineers

just go to trade school

tfw fucked up shit degrees
started this humanities BA 2 months ago and i want to kill myself already
ive narrowed my options down to:
1) nursing (would become anesthetics nurse)
2) computer science (probably be software/digital innovation MA)
3) optometry (to then just an MA)

what do

>>1634410
how is biomed engy superior to straight up biomed?

>>1634506
I double majored in both of those, and got a job in business intelligence for 40,000 two weeks out of college. Where to go from here though, that is the question.

>>1635180
>IT
>safe for autists
I use to believe this meme too.
Even back end has to put up with talking to people.
I've done reports for Ford, and they change the damn things each week. I've had to explain to them three times that you can't fit 30 columns of vin data onto one sheet.

>tfw too stupid for STEM
>tfw trying to pick a humanities degree that won't leave me in complete poverty

In Chem engineering and it's pretty much a ticket to do whatever I want. There are always postings from investment companies and financial companies in general looking for engineers, as well as management consulting. I'm a stupid cuck and am doing oil&gas for that short sighted super loaded paycheck baybee

>>1637866
Don't even bother doing any hospital or medicine related unless you have at minimum a decent interest in it. It really isn't one of those things that can fuel you by just money alone. Hospital work fucking sucks, all the patients either suck up bitches (muh vaccines), or consider you an idiot because you aren't a doctor.

Hospital spit and shit all over you as employees because there's always a lot of other candidates they can pick from if you complain. Hospitals can fire you basically for calling off a day they don't like. Working in medicine/hospitals is the literal definition of a wage cuck hidden behind "saving lives!" propaganda.

Pursue CS/IT, they were kings 10-20 years ago, they're still kings today in the job market as long as you better than the average American worker in that field.

>>1638313
this is true for low level, low education workers who are easily replaceable, but a highly specialized physician with many fellowships and a lot of experience could be one of very few people qualified to be in his position. They will pay him a lot and he will not be easy to replace.

>>1638278

>There are always postings from investment companies and financial companies in general looking for engineers, as well as management consulting.

This isn't exactly unique to eng. I worked as a management consultant in a major firm for a spell and I have an MA in history.

>>1637866
Dude its too obvious you just want money so you picked that form of nursing for the 150k. Nursing is a bitch, you won't last 4 years to be able to apply for anesthetics PhD so you can do the job. Also don't think you won't see people die and occasionally very rarely even be the cause and people might shit on you because you are the nurse, the doctors will all conspire to bring the malpractice on to the new guy and so they send you to console the family.

You have to pay serious dues to get to that 150k and its even then kind of a rare job.

If you think you can handle it then I wish you the best of luck but it is way harder than it looks.

My vote is for Optometry though. Its easy, no deaths possible, decent 80k salary and can get a nice retail job.

CS is a fucking wage cuck job, get real mate. You have to go to a real place, code your ass off 14 hour days sometimes and live on Red Bull, never see family during crunch times.

Optometry is way easier than CS.

>>1638314
Agreed, however, still, that's a lot of time, and money to get to that point. There's no guarantee it's going to succeed perfectly. Hospital work does suck as a low employee, it sucks even if you're into Nursing, it just depends if that anon I replied to feels like the abuse and stress is worth making the decent wage Nurses make. I honestly would rather just wage cuck it at Accounting/Finance because I'm a selfish prick that doesn't care about other people. That's kind of a hard attitude to have in healthcare though, doesn't help in the long run. I don't say that many things in life have to be passions to succeed, but Hospital workers in my opinion get the worst of the worst in many ways depending for who you work for.

>>1638321
>>1638318
Why does the thought of going to medical school never even come up in your posts? I don't understand why the average person aspires to be a nurse or a technician, don't you want to be in CHARGE of the department? Even if you don't have the grades for American medical school, you can go to european medical school. We train in english, the degree is accepted in the US, it is far cheaper, and you get to bang eurosluts for 6 years after high school. There is a tight-knit group of americans at my particular school here, and we all have the same question: why are we the only ones who seem to have discovered this?

>>1637640
I wonder if its worth moving to Latam to learn their Law on a study VISA on route to being a citizen. Its so saturated here and its hard to get a job in law but over there sounds amazing, I have been learning hardcore Spanish this year to become a school teacher in Arizona.

You are right though, I am just a sheltered Americano. I thank God for living here and realize my luck. Mainly my post was meant to be funny not arrogant though, sorry to be so flippant about such serious problems.

>>1638325
Getting a residency in the US afterwards is very difficult. You won't be able to get the competitive ones and even the shitty ones like family medicine only have a ~70% match rate so 30% of students can't even practice medicine and essentially wasted 6 years and 300K

>>1638325
I actually almost went to the University of Heidelburg in Germany in 2013 but they didn't have either Accounting or Finance as undergraduate. Although, even if they did have Accounting, I couldn't use it back in the US.

>>1636237
only trash level accounting can be automated

>>1638334
True, good luck trying to automate auditors. kek

>>1638329
I hear this argument a lot, and from what I've seen, it's very much a fallacy.
1) if you pass the USMLE, you can practice medicine, independent of a residency board certification. End of story. The law is the law.
2) My tuition for 6 years is 1/3 of the cost you suggested, and my cost of living is about half of what it used to be when i lived in the states.

Getting a residency stateside is extremely difficult, you are correct. but many foreign students (india, iran, north america) end up training in other parts of the world, getting residencies in west europe as well. It isn't as bad as you make it sound.

>>1634437
That depends on who the person is.

>>1638332
It isn't a game of showing up to school and depending on luck to find out whether or not you can use it. There is a list of accredited foreign medical schools where the medical degree is held to the same standard as the American one, and any graduate is eligible to take the USMLE

>>1638345
Oh, I know what you mean, I've had this discussion with them for a while, they just didn't happen to have the major I was pursuing and I doubt they taught the American standard of it so I looked at my other options of schooling.

>>1636618
This

Im majoring in Supply Chain/operations management and Electronic Business/Commerce.

R8 me

How fucked am I?

>bio med
>god tier

kek

who /EE/ here?

>>1638313
This. From experience, for the majority it's like glorified retail / customer service.

Deal with shitty people, give them a drug and hope they leave.

>>1634439
FBI jobs are pretty good

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>>1638528
which look for STEM degrees.
I know, I fell for the 'Justice Admistration' meme.

>>1636612
Math with a minor in finance or economics.

Ideally, you would Major in one FAME degree with a minor in another.

How would you break into asset management,or investment banking, or whatever?

You have to realize that just having a degree isn't worth shit.

You need internships and networking to get anywhere.

Join you college's business club. Get involved, attend meetings, compete in business related competitions, attend networking events, build your resume.

Then apply for finance related internships at bulge bracket banks, boutique banks, and fortune 500 companies.

Accounting master race.

Do your time at the Big 4 and get a CPA license, then pivot to consulting, banking, mergers, etc.

>>1636592
your job will be replaced by a robot in the next twenty years

>>1634506
All of those look like shit.

>>1634531
You're a moron.

>>1635997
You don't go to college to start a business. You go to college to run someone else's

>>1637579
>union electrician here
>aka "my daddy or family member got me in with the local"

>>1637734
Degrees that are aimed towards grad school, definitely.

>>1637773
It takes at least 150k views PER VIDEO to make anything on YT. I know this because I had a video get over 1000 views and I got less than a dollar.

>>1637394
do you live in a rural rustbelt state or something?

>>1634533
it's an okay major if you go to a top 50 school

otherwise unemployment is for you

I'm doing law in Brazil, the market is saturated here too and I got no connections, maybe I'll get some while in college but eh

Good side is I'm graduating in Brazil's best law college, so there's that I guess?

All in all I'd put medicine, law and engineering in the best degrees you can possibly get, most other degrees are either situational, require you to have other degrees to be useful or require connections/initial investment

>>1634410
Why is geo physics listed twice?

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>>1637407
>Computer engineer, should have just done electrical or doubled down
Depends on weather or not you learn anything, people who get through school clueless usually drift toward shit tier programming, the rest of us usually end up doing electrical engineering almost entirely. The smart fucks end up working for the government/military doing ???

>>1638337
Which school are you going to? I looked into schools in Ireland carribean, Australia and israel and none of them have tuition that low. Also no one will hire you/ see you without a residency. Why would they when so many other doctors are more qualified?

>>1638834
I prefer not to say which school, but I go to school in Hungary. Israel will only work if you speak Hebrew, which is the reason that I did not go. Australia is interesting, I didn't think of that. I have friends in Ireland as well.

>>1638327
It's okay, you just came off like a white liberal

Sure you can. You don't even need a VISA and being foreigner will only help you a lot more

>>1638866
Do you plan to come back to the US?

What do your friends think Ireland?

>>1638923
Yes, I plan on coming back for a residency, and I will take what I can get, where I can get. I understand it will be hard, and if I won't be accepted, I have backup plans to go to my family's country of origin.

I've heard nothing negative about Ireland at all. If you're serious about it, I would recommend taking a look at many european medical schools. Don't rule out Hungary! It is a very common choice.

I take it you are from America also?

>>1638475
Hey dude

>>1638625
m8 im currently studying it and I hate my textbook, know of any online supplemental websites that make it as clear as possible?

>>1638961
Canadian. I have good grades but not good enough for schools here. I also have a pharmacy degree and am a licensed pharmacist so I hope that it reflects positively. I never looked into Hungary, was it easy to get into?

TELL ME WHAT CAN NET ME 60K PLUS FOR 2-4 YEARS OF STUDY/EXPERIENCE FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE

>>1639003

What are you currently studying? Intro? Management?

What about Health Administration Masters?
Currently working on Business management BA and plan to move immediately to this

>>1639153
Nurse, X-ray tech, respiratory therapist.

Natural Resource Economic Policy here

>>1634648
What industry broski. Doing Mechanical Engineering here hopefully move into Biomedical/Aerospace.

>>1638718
>eco
Is top 100 okay ?

the one you could see yourself making an enjoyable career out of

these tier lists are autistic as fuck

CW

>>1636592
>29
>12 dollars per hour
where did everything go so wrong anon

What can I do with a sociology major?

>>1639511
Get laughed at the internet

>>1637736
accounting for certification

>>1634410
going for masters in history w/ bachelor in education

paying 1800/semester for schooling in north america so im feeling pretty good about it, no loans required

plus, the majority of vendors or whatever from teacher job fairs in canada are teaching abroad, mostly in other commonwealth countries and the UK so i may do that

all in total I'll be looking at a cost of tuition around almost 22k for 6 years of schooling, and I'll be able to teach at the college level which starts at ~50-60k so I'm fine with this

>>1639153
literally any trades job, at least in canada
entry for electrician is around 60-70k, same with HVAC, plumbing, welding, framing, etc

https://youtu.be/WOEsVjqoOfA


https://youtu.be/WOEsVjqoOfA
https://youtu.be/WOEsVjqoOfA


i dropped out before i even saw that video

>>1637736

Accounting. It's good where ever you go, Finance only carries weight if it's from a name school or Ivy League.

>>1634410
Do I need a degree for IT? Isn't there just a test I can take to get certified?

>>1634410
I can't find architecture, what tier is it?

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>>1635387
Wageslave
>Finance, Accounting, Mathematics, Economics

Entrepreneur
>Business Administration, Marketing, International Business


I get all of you, since /chan is mostly composed of beta orbiters and omega robots, none of you would make anything worthwhile of the non wage-cuck degrees, your only bet is some slavery bot shit like STEM, Accounting, Mathematics, Engineering... everything r9k put as god tier into that shit list of yours.

>>1634410
I can tell this chart is fucking retarded because Mechanical Engineering is listed twice under two different tiers.

>>1639790
Its a long game. Youll get moderately successful in your 40s, but if youre really good and taleted you can make it of you can produce quality projects in your 60s.

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>>1639790
Architecture is not a wageslave degree like STEM, meaning that you'll not get a good paying job just because you finished it. It is an entrepreneurial degree and is pretty much business administration and project management for real-estate development and construction. If you do not have leadership and problem-solving skills, you will work as a cad-monkey for most of your life, however being a STEM monkey pays more, therefore it is justifiably glorified.

>practical architecture is not
shit you see on tv; like Zaha Hadid, Foster, the Jew Squad etc. you can expect that only if you finished at a top of your masterclass by Gehry or Koolhaas and he let you use his network. Example is Bjarke Ingels, who was a top student at Koolhaas, got a lot of upwind because of that, but still only manages to create childish pop-architecture.

Good architecture comes with a fucking lot of experience over time, do not expect to create anything worthwhile before you're 50. An architect has to understand at least 30 years of one generation to comprehend what to plan for the next. Going dick first with 30 something like Bjarke will only create pop-shit without actual timeless quality. This doesn't mean you shouldn't build, you have to get that experience somewhere, just keep in mind that one needs to know a LOT to be able to create quality.

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How is dentistry? From the very limited research I did it seemed like much less schooling/intensive hours then doctor/surgeon but still make a lot of money. Is it hard to get a job or what?

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>About to graduate with a BA on philosophy
>Mom knows the principal of a prestigious local private school for rich kids
>Pretty much have a job guaranteed as a teacher right out of college
>Tfw

Stay mad stem autists

>>1638325
Which country?

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from a gigantic famous thread on /sci/ one year ago

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Do what you want to do, though. Life sucks dick when you have to do something for 8 hours every weekday for like 40 years that you chose because it paid like $20,000 more per year. Unless you plan on having a lot of kids or a stay at home wife, which would be a cuck-tier thing to do, you don't need to make all that much.

>>1639797
>non wage-cuck degrees
There are no degrees to become an entrepreneur. Business Administration does not teach you how to successfully manage a business. The degree is mostly memorizing dumb shit anyway.

>>1638718
I'd go to a school which is always ranked in the top 1-3 schools in my country. Not a burger though so the name of the school doesn't matter as much here.

>>1634410

Geography should be moved up to at least good tier. Within that field there is GIS which is a highly employable skill that is used by engineering companies, municipalities, and law enforcement.

>>1639872
Whats wrong with european engineering schools? I get that US education is better than getting your degree in albania or greece but there are more countrys with good engineering schools than France and UK. Germany, Austria, Spain all come to my mind.

I have no clue what the fuck I should be doing. Did a double degree in accounting and CS, articled at the Big 4, got my CPA (Canada). I want to leave but I have no idea what the fuck I should be doing to make more money.

Should I just go back to programming and go to the US? I got my CS degree from a "target" school (SV tech firms actively recruit there).

>>1639963
Isn't the pay at the Big 4 good? A friend of mine works at EY and made 45k starting and quickly got to over 100k after 4-5 years I think.

>>1639992
I'm at a regional office (my area still has a lot of financial institutions and tech companies) but in the regional offices you won't break 6 figures even as a senior manager.

>>1639797
i mean you can get banking jobs with any of those here but you don't need a college degree to be an entrepreneur. Also fuck marketing, that shit creeps onto liberal arts territory

>>1639854
>BA in CE, job out of college
>2x more starting income with higher ceiling
????

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>>1639854
>getting a job out of college is a success for you
Stay mad poorfag

>>1635387
>be me
>uni offers data analysis degree
>degree is said to be programming heavy
>median salary after uni is apparently around $56k


Is it worth?

>>1640124
If it's going to be programming heavy then honestly, just take CS or SoftEng.

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>>1634410
This is an investment board. Not a board for kids asking college degrees

>>1640176
>implying the monetary and time investment required for getting a degree isn't an investment

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>>1640183
I would not definitely consider a degree as an ivestment

>>1634410
Geology was worth it, and will be again. It's the in-between bits that make me regret it. Need to find a new niche

>>1639065
>I never looked into Hungary, was it easy to get into?

Highly recommended. The biggest difference between American and European medical school admissions is that most of the European ones are very easy to get accepted to. I stressed out over my entrance exam for Hungary, and when I showed up it was an absolute joke.

The real entrance exam in Europe is the first 2-3 years of schooling. The graduating class size is generally reduced to half of what you started with by halfway through third year. I am in the first semester of my second year, and my 'group' that I take my classes with has already been reduced from 28 to 21 people, and it will continue to shrink. Make no mistake, they don't have failure quotas. They are very accepting in the beginning, and then very objective in their grading later. They do not curve test grades, so you have to stay on top of the material, not other people.

In the American system, tests are often curved and there is a near-zero drop out or failure rate, but that is because the entrance tests are so rigorous and unforgiving.

The incoming freshmen of American medical school are truly the academic cream of the crop, and the graduating class of the European medical school are the survivors. Do you have what it takes?

>>1634428
Even with medicine you got to be smart. I'm pre-med and i'm still trying to make side income online. I won't be able to make a full salary until my early 30s. Plus Med school doesn't pay itself.

>>1639879
>Business Administration does not teach you how to successfully manage a business.

it teaches you how to manage a business, STEM teaches you how to scare pussy and work for the business man.

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>>1639797
/this

STEM is only for wagecucks, if you want to go into business this shit is unnecessary, you'll hire a faggot to do what you want him to do.

I really ask myself why so many wagefags from /g and /sci come here to /biz and shitpost this faggy lists, you niggas are made for work not for achieving, fucking beta fags.

>>1640446
So do you think I can do alright with a Bachelor's in Business Administration? I'm pretty confident in my leadership skills, but I'm concerned about what happens at the end of the rabbit hole.

mechanical engineer here, eyeing an MBA.

redpill me.

>>1640462
as long as you can coerce engineers to do your bidding you can do everything. them being weaky fagglets shouldn't make it an effort, however be careful they may run away or even worse, steal your ideas. they are to treated as useful vermin, and in best cases cattle.

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>>1640468
t. NEET

>>1640446

Being an entrepreneur also means respecting and listening to those you employ. It's not all about being the "alpha dog" but hey you seem to know more about being successful. : )

>>1639879

There are some schools that actually offer degrees in entrepreneurship, which baffles the fuck out of me. One of my old co-workers had that degree and from what she tells me it's basically a liberal arts degree that prepares people for working in HR.

So what kind of weekend jobs or commisioned jobs can I do with a Business Administration degree?

(Europe context if possible)

>>1638811
>Depends on weather
Had to read 3 times that sentence before I got it

>>1640321
>European medical school admissions

Entirely country dependant. In finland med school is one of the hardest schools to get into. 98% of accepted will graduate as doctors

>>1640497
The subtle dominance is still there however. STEM babbies should probably chill and let their autism sperg onto the arts majors, not the Law/biz ones

>>1640819
My mistake.
To the Canadian if you're reading this: some countries are easier than others, you'll be able to find out more online.

>>1640483
I lead a team of engineers in my company, finished business administration, earn 10x more than the monkeys with STEM degrees.

Anyone speak another language? I've heard jobs as a translator/interpreter pay pretty well

>>1634410

Finance degree has been great for me

>>1639209
financial, intermediate

>>1640468
>>1640854

NEETs living in their fantasy world.

>>1640964

That's surprising to hear. Personally I breezed through most of my financial accounting classes because the material was ridiculously easy once you got over the slight learning curve. But I did have a competent and knowledgeable professor who was CPA with 20+ years industry experience.

Here's a pretty good website I use to review concepts http://www.principlesofaccounting.com/

>>1638313
My Mom is a nurse and 100% of what this dude said is true.

If she clocks in even 1 minute late she's absent and they have a "3 strikes and your out" policy.

>>1634410
Doing nursing, a BSN starts at about $70,000 a year here. The VA pays nurse manager up to $120,000. Seems pretty easy.

>>1636618
>get laid and be respected by men
>get laid ... by men
Neat

>>1638313

>Pursue CS/IT, they were kings 10-20 years ago, they're still kings today in the job market as long as you better than the average American worker in that field.

Not true, plenty of programming jobs around but the IT market is all but dried up. If your job doesn't involve coding then you're up shit creek, as employers traditionally view their IT department as a cost and will do everything they can to minimize that cost. Which often means layoffs, budget cuts and maintaining the bare minimum staff. It's not unusual to see a single person being responsible for the infrastructure of multiple office locations.

Trust me I live in a major tech hub and used to be in the field. I know how it is outside the shitty help desk positions, and it's not unusual to see experienced IT folks fighting with new grads and noobs over entry level positions because there are not enough jobs to go around.

>>1639847
dental insurance providers determine what you are allowed to charge for your work, which is very little. In order to make money you have to:
-settle for a meager salary even if you own your own practice
-hire a bunch of dental assistants to do the majority of the work for you while you simply oversee the operation
different dentists take different approaches.
if you have any integrity you won't take the second one because good dentists do the work themselves and ensure that the work is done to a perfect standard.
Unethical dentists see four patients or more an hour for fillings and only drill the hole, then the assistants actually make the filling and grind it down, which the dentist runs back in to check and then off to the next chair. these dentists make loads of money an hour but the quality of work is shit.
also you can forget about doing crowns that way, they will not come out right.
as we move closer to single payer system, the medical jobs will pay less and less. prepare for the shitstorm that will ensue after.
tldr dental is fast becoming a shit job

>>1638528
of course, but,you need to have a multitude of skills to put on your resume

they look for everything from heavy machinery operation to public accounting, so make sure you're not a one trick pony

learning a foreign language is a good long term investment, even though you need to take a test every year or so

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>paying for a worthless degree in 2016
>lmao

seriously tho, don't go to college, become an autodidact like shkreli

>>1640904
Yeah I know, I just don't want to be stuck doing a shit residency. I don't want to limit myself before I begin, you know?

>>1641667
I see what you mean, you've got a good attitude about it. I chose to take the risk. Just working hard and hoping for the best, that's all anyone can do.
Choose wisely, and good luck to you

>>1640343
Shut up bro. I'm also a pre-med, but have a lot of family in medicine. Doctors can easily pull in upwards of 500k-1 million a year, and no, you don't have to be in derm or ortho to get that type of money. If you open a practice, the possibilities are endless. No other job gives you that type of money, besides maybe big law.

Don't forget that you can moonlight during residency, making 6 figures a year while also getting paid 60k a year from your residency program. Debt is a non-issue at that point.

Also, a common misconception about medicine is that you are giving up the best years of your life. That is completely untrue. You are spending your time studying rather than working as a wageslave in a mindless job. I'd rather be studying than working, especially considering how much I'll make after I'm done studying.

If you can get into medicine, you are essentially guaranteed a position in the upper class, although on the low end. Also, in my opinion, the status of being a doctor far outweighs the monetary benefits. I'd rather tell people I'm a doctor than a computer scientist who spends his entire life glued to a computer screen.

>>1641684
Thank you, best of luck. I'm giving it one more year because I hate my current job and can't stand it. Gonna look into it more but i've already researched a lot and theres a lot of horror stories about international medical schools, even if they have US curriculums.

>>1634649
you have no idea what you're talking about.
At a "local college", every other major is similarly hard to get value out of.
PHP/JS are a very common software stack, and probably a better choice for teaching at a community college than java/c++ imo.
At the very least, a student with PHP/JS experience can go on to freelance or do IT that they are way overqualified for

>>1634959
Same boat.
Do a business minor; fuck the full double major. Maybe do MBA down the road is my current plan.
Take a couple of CSE grad courses in crazy shit like machine learning or parallel processing.
This allows you to have a shot at both a job at places like Google/Amazon/Microsoft and to quickly climb up to product manager at other places.

> Not getting a STEM degree as well as finance/economics

step it up plebs

>>1634668
Electronics and Communication engineer checking in
Only comp science/IT companies hire in my area. I got job in a consultancy (EY)

Whats the road when youre not afraid and really good at talking to people?

>>1642198
Anything you want + getting a top management position

Studying business but plan on owning one. I'm not going to wake up as an old man one day wishing I did something. Forget that.

>>1640193
Definitely would not*, fuck off uneducated cunt

>>1638325
The average person aspires to be a nurse as opposed to some form of doctor because they either prefer the idea of nursing or like medicine shit and don't want to go through the apparent mind-breaking slog that is medical school and everything else you must do to become a doctor

>>1639947
I'm pretty sure that guy meant in the US. It would be pretty obvious that a European degree would be outright inferior to a US degree if you are an engineer trying to get a job in the US.

Also most good engineering schools in the US completely outclass the best ones in Europe.

So I still can't get an answer for this shit, finance or accounting?

>>1641693
Well thanks for letting me know bro. I'm a freshman in college and i don't have an family that are doctors so this is all new to me. All I've been going on is word of mouth and listening to Medical school admission boards.

>500K- 1million a year

To me that's interesting because I've always heard that the max was 500K, for even the highest specialty.

http://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/compensation/2016/public/overview

Is this false then?

>>1638325
Honestly, it IS really secretive HOW to go to school in foreign countries in the US. Nobody ever talks about it, there are no companies that help you find the information and exactly how you would get the financial aid or go through the process is mainly unknown.

There are people who do medical school in The Caribbean to save tons of money but doing your med school in Europe is still pretty unheard of here.

I must admit I researched it once because I was interested in doing Archaeology and thought "no way in hell is this degree worth 80K" and was shocked at how cheap it was in say Spain. It would be my second bachelors degree though, I am currently torn between Nursing or Law. I am looking for a second career in my mid-30's.

>>1641792
I thought about that too but STEM degrees require at least a master to be usefull and I can't really go to school for 5 years after a 3 year economics bachelor.

>>1642402
>Also most good engineering schools in the US completely outclass the best ones in Europe.
Why do you think so? US education seems pretty shit compared to ours and people always complain about people with non-european degrees not knowing shit, especially in STEM.

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tfw I study architecture.

>>1642552
it is the subtle "we are not retards" butthurt banter you see in /pol so often, although it is universally known burgers are stupid as shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_QiqxDxyI

>>1642593
At the very least I'd say we burgers are egocentric.

But I don't blame them too much. It's hard to get into non-anglo politics when no one is speaking English.

On the other hand it is true that our colleges are pretty shit atm

Been monitoring thread for the past week, ctrl+fing for infosec but still nothing so I'll contribute

I'm about to finish up a b.s. in information & network security, got on board after the cyber-security talent shortage being toted by govt and private sector. The classes have definitely filled up in the past couple years and I'm lucky I got in early. As far as computer related degrees go, this one is really nice in terms of a broad skillset. Everything from Python to tcp/ip protocol and general IT is necessary, and you can specialize in what you want depending on what you want to do (pentester? analyst/consultant? linux sys admin?). I do have some trepidation of not getting a job once I'm finished in May, but I'm 'eager to relocate' so my prospective market is not limited geographically which should help me out.

Does anyone else have information security/cybersecurity experience they want to contribute? Any questions on the subject?

Are there any degrees that don't sentence you to a 9-5 wageslave life? I don't know, for example geology or something, prospectors have to travel to places in the wild to look for minerals. Something like that.

>>1642444
I just wonder why nobody talks about it. I ask because I have classes with people from so many other countries, but very few from North America. How do people hear about the Caribbean? Is it advertised the same as American medical schools?

In Europe you can just go straight from high school, I was 19 when I entered my first year of medicine. I see what you mean about the process being unknown. Financial aid in this case is typical student loans from a bank. The admissions process will usually be very straightforward, being just a written and an oral exam one day, with acceptance or rejection given that day. Like I said before, they will accept most people, and then many will fail.

>>1634410
Mathematics

>>1642616

>At the very least I'd say we burgers are egocentric.

This

Americans regard non-Anglo universities and colleges as inferior. That's why many American employers disregard degree holders from other nations and American colleges don't even accept school credits from foreign universities.

>I have a bachelor's in Master's in accounting
>too autistic for public accounting, no exp so no one in industry would hire me
>currently in a financial analyst role for a government contractor
>I only make $19 hourly, but I live with my parent rent free and I make over the median per capita income of my county
>$40k in student loans, $15k in savings
Should I attempt to take the CPA, move out of the state with my sibling that has connections to better jobs, or go back to school for computer science?

>>1642866
TAKE THE CPA ANON.

This is advice from someone who has a father that regrets not taking the CPA every day of his life. You can fix autism but it won't mean shit without this credential.

TAKE THE CPA ANON

>>1642438
Yeah bro. It's complete bullshit. Keep in mind that some patients don't have insurance and pay straight cash. For example, my uncle makes 400k a year working 4 days a week as a doctor and he's in internal medicine, which is the easiest specialty to get into. You can make as much as you want, and if you own your own practice, you can make even more.

On his off days, he works on his businesses.

Set your own hours. You can see patients 4 days a week and work on your own business the other 3.

Plus, I have never heard of a single doctor that has been laid off of work. It's the most stable job out there. Once you have the degree, you have a job anywhere.

CS
Stats with CS minor
CE
Math with CS dual major
Accounting
Finance if you're smart and at a target school
Any major if you're ay Harvard/Yale/Princeton

Why is aerospace top tier? Very hard to get a job.

>>1642892
Good to know. I thought I was going to stay within the rat race forever, even with a medical degree. I have heard that you get to set your own hours (like you said) so I'm really looking forward to it. Hopefully I can stick to it. Thanks man.

>>1642549
my university lets me do finance/economics with engineering all in 5 years

>>1642897
Not with a 3.5gpa and internship.

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>>1634410
I know a dude who majored in political science and is making a ton of $$$ in finance. But he went to a solid school and has awesome social/networking skills. I knew another guy who majored in electrical engineering but was such a robot he couldn't hold a job for long.

Degree major is important but not everything.

>>1643158
Drexel?

>>1642894

>Any major if you're at Harvard/Yale/Princeton

This is very true. You could major in navel gazing and still end up with a 100k+ wall street or tech start-up job.

>>1642767
Petrochemical engineering. Supply chain

Freelance CS

>>1636237
You are very wrong. Auditing will always be needed because they issue audit opinions. Opinion being a subjective thing means that human judgment is required in order to do the job. Every single thing in auditing requires human interaction. No computer will ever be able to do this.

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Hey guys, I am going into collage soon, amd im really torn on what degree i should get. I honestly have no idea what the fuck I want to do. I think im torn between engineering, architect, or something with forensics, but i dont want to get stuck on one horse and have no ability to work wherever I want and I dont want to have a state job because you cant really go "up" from there. what should I do? what would be the safest bet for something that wont destroy my life with work, where I can just make money because i know shit that others dont, and i dont have to get stuck in one place?

>>1642866
Take the fucking test you fucking idiot. It's a pay bump that'll add hundreds of thousands of dollars to your lifetime income. Also, no one will take you seriously as an accountant without one.

>>1643623

>Tfw 60k out of undergrad
>Tfw you'll be financially stable for the rest of your life
>Tfw finance majors shit all over you for doing the pleb work but you don't give a fuck because you really didn't know what to do as a college freshman and accounting sounded pretty cool

>>1634410
>meh tier degree making six figures
feels good

Hoping for some good advise ?
>Be me 29
> Start working at 18 for Dell, GE in call centers
> Bachelor's in Accounting then MBA
>Get decent paying job over the median
> Get work visa to Canada

I've been looking for a job for a while in Toronto or any big city in Canada but due to my lack of local experience and connections I don't get reverts on job apps.

Don't wanna reveal country where I'm from coz then your suggestions will be full of hate.

>>1643671
I'm still not in Canada. Idk if I should transfer credits towards CPA or do some college course to make some connections in Toronto.

My current job in my country is boring af and a lot of my co-workers are leaving some even if they don't have a job in hand

>>1643671
>>1643671
Poo in the loo detected. On a serious note, a lot of companies won't take a foreign hire because visas are fucking expensive and hard to come by. You need to have some crazy mojo in tech or finance or math, then apply to major corporations that can afford the costs of sponsoring you.

If I may ask, what do you do at your current job?

>>1643696
Lol did you read my post ? I have a work visa to Canada And to answer your question I'm currently in insurance underwriting.

>>1643705
I don't understand how you can have a work visa without a company sponsoring you and you therefore already having employment.

>>1643762
You're not from Canada are you ?

So I qualified under the federal program where few in demand professions were sought.

So I'm still in my country and actively looking for job in Toronto.

>>1641209
That might be it, considering I only study the book and barely attend the classes. The book has a ton of fluff and I wish it stuck more to the point, like the site you just linked. I spend time extracting the shit that matters into my notes because I like having all the essential material readily available and that eats up some of my studying time. Or maybe accounting just isn't for me, dunno. I'll stick it to it for now.

I'll definitely give this site a try for studying, thanks.