Real estate or Stocks?

Property is vastly better than stock. But property has more risk.

You need to buy when the land/homes market is down. AND you need to buy in an area that is definitely gonna grow.

My dad was a land developer for 35 years.

>>1536078
Hmm, so buying when the market is down sounds easy enough.

But how is property more risky than stocks?Shouldn't it be the other way around?

>>1536100

becaue when u make money in property what do u invest that money in to diversify?

stocks

>>1536078
This. Location is everything. My Great-Grandma bought land and built a house for $90K in Alexandria, Virginia back in the 50s. She passed away and of course instead of keeping it in the family, my Grandma cashed out $1.2M and moved to Miami. They take monthly trips to Vegas. I haven't talked to them since but I'm pretty sure they blew it all and are working again.

>>1536111

Ahhh, I have hear people talk about diverisfying their investments and such.But for someone new to it all wouldn't I just focus on keeping my property afloat and then diversify after say 5 years or so (after its paid off).

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>>1536112

From what I read the city of Los Angeles is a constantly growing city but in a housing bubble atm, but would that affect the whole of the county the city is in?and if so should I just wait till the bubble pops then buy up what I want at lower prices?Theres a huge military base south of the city and I intended to buy around there for the constant stream of people and Oceanside.

>>1536058

picking individual stocks is risky as all hell. only play with money you can stomach to lose. 30k does not hit that threshold in my opinion.

investing in funds (usually ETFs) should be more your speed. you get less profit because the fund takes a cut, but you have the safety of a diversified portfolio (and a hopefully professionally managed portfolio on non-ETFs). still - my general rule of thumb is to never invest in anything you don't understand or care for on a very fundamental level. jumping blindly into the world of securities is not really a great idea on your first couple grands.

rental properties are comparatively safe. property values may fluctuate, but you don't want to sell anyway. the main risk comes from tenants and that's a risk you can personally control. it's great for keeping your assets safe from inflation - the rent should be indexed and the property value also goes up with inflation. in turn the potential for massive profit is much lower than with stocks. you'd have to hit a jackpot with the right area to participate in substantial appreciation of your land.
with rental properties you're usually playing the long game. you basically can't lose money - your initial investment is now a house which you can always sell. but if you never sell you can view it as swapping an initial payment for an eternal series of smaller payments every month. depending on what you pay, what you do yourself and where you are you can expect a rental property to turn a profit at 15 years down the line at the earliest. but at that point you've gotten your money back AND you still have the property which usually leads to a snowball effect where you keep getting more and more real estate.

the biggest problem is probably the prohibitively high barrier of entry. 30k is simply not enough to buy any meaningful property, especially not in SoCal. You can leverage them with loans, but that means until you pay off your loans you don't even get monthly returns.

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>>1536100

Stocks generally rise at a pretty consistent rate over the years assuming you have a diverse portfolio.

Land is more volatile. When 08 happened there were pieces of land that lost 80% of their value and still have not really recovered. In the event of a bubble pop, land and homes get hit harder than anything else.

Personally I would not buy anything right now. The market is too hot and IMO inflated.

Right now is not the time to buy stock or real estate.

>>1536479

what would you suggest he does with his money then? Trump Coin?

>>1536493

Gold. Or a reliable business venture if you can get a hold of one.

>>1536149
>You can leverage them with loans, but that means until you pay off your loans you don't even get monthly returns.
As long as you've got your 20% down youre good to go, since the rent payments should cover the mortgage. But of course maintaining the quality of a building takes a lot of money too.

>>1536468
I disagree, 2008 was the first nationwide real estate crash in well over a century. It's called real estate for a reason, it's a physical asset. 2008 was a special case, land recovers and holds its value. They aren't making new land anymore after all.

>>1536728
Gold isnt really an investment. It'll hold its value during a period of high inflation but there's not much you can do with it. You can increase real estate's value with new construction and rent property on it.

>>1536746

All true but the RE market is clearly inflated right now.

But I could be wrong and we'll see several more years of growth m

>what is a REIT

>>1536752
In most cases it's a mutual fund compromised of stocks like Simon Property Group and Public Storage. Why? Are you implying it's the same as owning property?

>>1536752
The margins aren't as high as owning and managing your own property. Lower risk, but you're basically hiring middlemen to take a slice of your profits.

Probably better just throwing the money in an S&P 500 index vs REITs.

>>1536058
Yes investing it is the right choice, just don't put it directly into stocks with no trading experience like these other idiots are telling you to do. Put it in a Vanguard 500 Index fund and coast

now isn't a great time to get into real estate, especially when you've only got 30k.

buy options on 3x leveraged etfs

>>1536149
It all depends as far as "not enough". Some of the so-called linear markets like little rock, memphis, and parts of atlanta are still reasonably priced. As long as you buy wholesale it can still have good cashflow. It all depends on where he is and what that market looks like.

My advice would be if youre seriously thinking about real estate, join your local real estate investors group and go to the meetings. Usually they are all about teaching ppl what to look out for, how things are done, and are a great source of vetted contractors.

>>1536746
>They aren't making new land anymore after all.
tell that to the chinese

>>1538569
Just go to Hawaii. Genuine Land™ Made in America™

None of that cheap sandbar knockoff bullshit.

FHA loan on a multi unit, live in one rent the rest. Or down payment for a 150K rental.

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>>1536058
stocks. dont even consider real estate at the moment. and even historically, it's been a terrible investment returning 1% annual

>>1538649
Only if you only look at appreciation for ROI. You can cash flow well every year, and if you have any sense, you reinvest some of that money into more stuff.

That's not even counting flipping, though flipping isn't a long term investment plan, so it's not a great comparison.

>>1536058
REITs

>>1536774
seems like most people already deal with a ton of middle-men in real estate. might as well make it possible to sell anytime

>>1536058
>I know nothing of stock investment
Do what you know. If you try to get into trading you'll probably fuck up for at least 3-5 years.

>>1539535
That's my point. If you want the flexibility, just invest in a good stock portfolio. REITs are worse for long term investment.

Real estate itself is better if you are managing it yourself.

>>1536192
Do not force memes.

Put it somewhere safe where it won't be taxed but instead draws interest, but somewhere you can pull it all out anytime and just wait.. wait for an opportunity to arise, don't force it.