>Buy a stock >It goes down Literally every time

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>what is technical analysis?

>>1465757
>"""""technical"""""
>""""""""""analysis""""""""""

>>1465750
>It goes down
>Literally every time

You should get in to shorting.

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>>1465757
>Technical Analysis

>>1465853
There you go. Do a George Castanza move, you'll make millions

Protip: You never lose money if you never sell

>>1465914
>80 years old
>i-it has to go up any day now, r-right guys?...

>>1465757
It's a synonym for "I like to talk complicated talk and look smart but can't be bothered with a fundamental and mathematical understanding of what I try to make money off of", or "I usually am more happy winning than sad loosing while day trading"

>If you liked this article about "finding patterns in stock quotes" you might like the following : "finding patterns in clouds" and "finding patterns in tea leaves".

>>1465934
>If you liked this article about "finding patterns in stock quotes" you might like the following : "finding patterns in clouds" and "finding patterns in tea leaves".

Holy fuck this.

Technical analysis is such a joke.

>>1465931
Things don't stay low that long

Just don't be a retard who sees a 2% drop one morning and decides to panic sell. That's why most retards lose money

>>1465914
actually you only lose money if you never sell

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>>1465943
>>1465934
>she doesn't do Macroeconmic and fundamental analysis before she does her TA

>>1465951
>Things don't stay low that long
Except for the ones that do, amirite? The silliest meme in the world is the one that says the price MUST eventually rise back to the price you bought in for.

>>1465951
Or you hold on to an individual stock too long and the company goes under :^).
Or the company has to adjust to lower growth, permanently lowering its value.

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>>1465750

Muh nigga. Yo prob is you keep buying penny stocks.

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>>1465757

>>1465996
Is that the infamous "smoking duck" pattern?

>>1465750
Stop chasing the God damn trend you retard.

Look there's two ways to trade basically.

You either trade to make the market and that's basically looking to sell when everyone like you is buying.

Or you look for price drops for good value and buy when something is a lot cheaper than it should be. Then you sell it to noobs who see it spiking up after its already really high

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>>1466132

>>1466447
I'm probably one of the few people on this board that actually know how to trade properly. I could show you some trades but you likely wouldn't even understand how amazing the trades are if I showed you them anyway.

>>1466452
>I'm probably one of the few people on this board that actually know how to trade properly
Yeah, I bet you have a 9 inch cock too.

>>1466458
I've showed some really excellent trades here before but since no one understands what they are looking at its just a waste of time.

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>>1466461
>no one understands how negative and positive numbers work

>>1466486
Me showing how much money I win on a trade isn't the same as showing you my entries and exits on a chart and the reason for taking a trade.

You guys think of this on a fundamentally flawed level.

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>>1466496
>money I win

>>1466504
Just for curiosities sake, what is it exactly you're hoping to accomplish with these post?

just get in things before the normies do

i bought oil stocks like BTE back in january when oil went to 29 and ignored all the cucks saying it can go to 10 and did mad bank

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>>1466510
You got memed the fuck out, my friend.

Nicely wew'd my lad

BUY

THE

DIP

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>>1466586
So, it was just another meme all along?

Well I'll show you guys something cool anyway.

Here's a picture showing my trades i took today during Prime Minister Yellen's speech about the feds.

>>1466593
I did like this guy says and bought the dips and sold the peaks

Although I think I'm missing a 4th trade

>>1466602
What the hell? I show you ungrateful bastards some sick ass shit and you don't even give me any yous?

>>1466640

Sick ass shit. What did you buy

>>1466640
Nice now show us your tits

>>1466658
That's gold. Look at the picture. I bought two or 3 times and sold it once at the top.

I hope you learned some valuable today son

>>1466667
Did you learn anything? I don't get what's funny

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>>1466670
hindsight is 20/20 , aint it?

>>1466701
You never answered my question

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>>1466708
i learned that hindsight is 20/20.

>>1466715
You need to look at the pictures better if you can't understand it.

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>>1466716
whats not to understand?

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>>1466708
>>1466716
>you can't delete a post this old

>>1466602

aint that a bitch?

>>1466721
I just showed two pictures of me taking position before the market moved. If you can't understand it then I'm just wasting time showing you.

Also it's probably not a good idea for me to leave these up for long

>>1466731
I only want to delete the pictures. It's not a good idea to leave something like that up.

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>>1466736

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>>1466739
yes, wouldn't wanna leave a chart of todays price of gold up on the internet!!

>>1465750
That happened to me with VRX, I bought at 26.

But I planned on holding for a year anyway. I expect it to hit about 80 by that time. Gotta get that capital gains tax rate.

>>1466745
Well those entries are pretty amazing and I wouldn't want too many people studying and trying to learn easily what I sacrificed a lot to be able to do.

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>>1466739
after all, you made markings on it , that could be considered vandalism!

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>>1466752
oh well good thing we still have this chart to look at. >>1466602

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>>1466752
heres how the big boys do it btw.

>>1466760
>>1466753
Did you even look at the one showing my entries before the market moved?

Stop selling you idiot. Invest in some safe bets that have been around for a long time and wait it out. Some will crumble but overall the market goes up if you average through recessions.

Don't believe that anybody has a way to cheat the market other than insider trading, which exists and they will be the winners every time.

>>1466784
Are you serious? That's what I mean by its a waste of time showing because you won't understand it anyway.

The green or blue line shows where I entered. And the dotted red line shows where my stop loss or take profit are .

>>1466778
i saw them all , it's just you drawing shit all over todays gold price chart.

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>>1466788
pretty hard to understand something we cant see ;)

>>1466792
Can you see now? I even circled it for you since you probably don't understand what you are looking at.

>>1465750
I have a great strategy for you anon. Repeat what you are doing now, but short everything instead.

You will make money every time.

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>>1466796

>>1466799
Well I hope you learned somethingfrom that sick trade. The other picture showed me selling at the top. You'll just have to take my word for it since you didn't look the other time

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>>1466812
Why are you so impressed with yourself? There was a $20 price fluctuation in gold when it was already sitting at $1320. That's a fluctuation of less than 2%. I don't know how much volume you were doing but your gains can't be that much unless you were massively leveraged and exposed yourself to crazy amounts of downside if you guessed wrong.

On top of that you had to pay all the fees and taxes involved with day trading. Is it really worth it? Wouldn't value investing be much simpler and pay off better in the long run?

Every strategy in the stock market is a variation of mean reversion or momentum. Mean reversion is a lot safer than buying stocks that are going high since you'd buy at the bottom.

>>1466816
I did about 300 pips today.

Commodities don't work the same as stocks where a 2% increase means nothing. %means almost nothing to me. I get paid per micro pips.

>>1466452
>>1466461
>>1466496
I would be interested in hearing more.
Ignore the all these haters.

>>1466602
I think I recognize this anon from the other day. Are you the anon we talked about a H&S chart pattern in the GC futures contract which signaled a short position.

>>1466496
>Me showing how much money I win on a trade isn't the same as showing you my entries and exits
Yeah, actually it is. By definition.

Fucking retard.

>>1466913
Hmm. What do you of trading during nfp?

>>1466602
Wtf is this cartoon bullshit? Drawing fat arrows on a chart and pretending that it reflects your entry and exits points is bullshit.

You have trade confirmations. Post them.

Or don't, and fuck off. Poser.

>>1466925
Yeah we talked about how most risk managers wouldn't allow it.

>>1466927
>You have trade confirmations.

I used my heart. It's hard for me to explain but I can sort of see most times not every time, when a spike to the high or low is ending. I watched the charts for many many hours and now I can sort of see it if in looking at the charts while the spike is happening

>>1466913
>>1466932
Yes. I would be very interested to hear more about what you know. It's pretty late and as you can see from my lot sizes I'm not making enough yet to not have to go to work early tomorrow but I'm hoping to slowly start increased my lot sizes the next few weeks.

Also I think someone like you will be able to see my trades and understand why I took them and be able to do similar trades.

It's getting late but I'd love to talk about the market with you another time

>>1466927
See
>>1466940
>>1466948
Going to delete them soon though.

>>1466816
>There was a $20 price fluctuation in gold
He is trading in CFD which is different than futures but say for example the GC gold futures contract for 100oz of gold:
tick value of $0.10 per ounce which is $00 per contract. 100oz x $0.10 = $10
there are ten ticks per point, that means the minimum the price moves is $0.10 so for example the price can move $1324.0 $1324.1 $1324.2 etc
that means for every point is worth $100
100oz × 0.10 × 10ticks = $100
so that means a 20 point move in the GC contract is worth 20 * $100 = $2000
remember there are 10 ticks per point so if you think of this as a 200 tick move and each tick is worth $10 so,
$10 x 200 = $2000

>>1466954
I like you. When are you gong to start trading?

>>1466940
>I watched the charts for many many hours and now I can sort of see it if in looking at the charts while the spike is happening
This right here gentlemen is the key. Chart time. Lots and lots of it. You watch it very closely long enough and you'll start to develop an intuition.

>>1466961
It's not only that but if you look to the left of my entries there are peaks which were not broken during those spikes

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>>1466952
>Going to delete them soon though.
Listen you stupid cunt....

First, you deleting your "trade confirmations" is stupid. Your photos are automatically archived, like pic related. Stop being a fucking noob.

Second, that's not a trade confirmation, kid. That's just another crayon drawing of you roleplaying.

FACT: You didn't actually buy or sell anything.

FACT: Your portfolio balance, if any, is less than $1000.

FACT: You couldn't pick a winning trade if someone put a gun to boyfriend's head.

FACT: You get your jollies coming to a Chinese basketweaving board and pretending to be a wolf of wall street.

Now fuck of back to /r9k/ where you belong.

>>1466975
He s-saved my p-pictures. This is the first time someone has saved one of my pictures. Does this mean were married now?

Also look at the dotted green line next to the word buy with the numbers. That clearly shows my entry.

What else do you think those dotted lines represent?

>>1466954
CDFs are traded with forex brokers and forex brokers allow you to trade based on these lot sizes
Standard 100,000 units
Mini 10,000 units
Micro 1,000 units
Im not sure but IIRC for a xxxUSD pair a mini lot has a pip value of $1 and a standard lot has a pip value of $10
so 20 × $10 = $200 per standard lot.
So you could have a position of 10 standard lots to get the same exposure as the GC futures contract.

>>1466984
Here is an example of how to calculate the value of 1 Pip for one 10k (mini) lot of xxxUSD where the base currency of the account is USD.
Start with 10,000. Multiply 10,000 by .0001 since 1/10,000th is a pip for all xxxUSD pairs
10000 x 0.0001 = $1.

>>1466962
I see it looks like your short entry was near the top of the candles from the previous candles around Aug 24.

>>1466998
Shh don't let these plebs learn the secrets. They just want to get rich quick and be toxic. I don't believe they are actually interested in learning the market and improving. It takes a lot of work and a lot of time. So much sacrifice. I knew you would be able to see it but don't share it so easy with them

>>1466981
>He s-saved my p-pictures.
I didn't save anything you pathetic mongoloid. Do you even know what an archive is?

https://warosu.org/biz/thread/S1465750#p1466975

Go. back. to. r9k. you. fucking. loser.

>>1467002
OK bye

>>1467001
you're correct it takes a lot of time and effort and hard work to learn this stuff which is one of the many reasons why 95% of people who try to trade end up failing even though
there are lots of books and websites and blogs that talk abuot this plus there are tons and tons of videos around on places like youtube that talk about this

>>1466602
>>1466602
>>1466602


What do you think about buying growth shares? I like to analyse fundamentals and then buy from small cap companies and wait for them to appreciate.

I just bought my 2 first shares but since im not american i couldnt invest in HLFN. It's on the OTC Pink sheets :C

My problem is im low paid, so i invest in mutual funds like vanguard and some others, and try to put like 100 dollarydoos at a time into some small cap companies.

>>1467016
>>1467001
meme

>>1467016
Maybe I should try watching more videos but when I was first learning ait of what I found online wasn't very helpful at all. It was then everyone would be doing it.

And there's some shit I could show you that I'm pretty sure you would never find online or anywhere. I'm not saying no one else figures it out but they sure as hell aren't telling anyone else.

>>1467017
Sorry bro I don't know shit about stocks yet. I only do fx for now and I seem to do much better on gold charts. If you are low paid I would look into something with high leverage if you actually know what you are doing or really lucky.

This shit is really tough and you likely won't see any results for a long time but if you are lucky and good enough and put enough time into it and willing to sacrifice everything then maybe you can make it.

>>1467028

I got my copy of the 1940 edition of Security Analysis, too. That's gonna be a fun read. Here's to reaching financial independence and not having to be a wagecuck

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>>1467028
I'm an Order Flow newb myself but here is my attempt at analysis

>>1467016
>it takes a lot of time and effort and hard work to learn this stuff
Can you show me the evidence that "time," "effort," or "hard work" leads to greater returns? You retards keep saying these platitudes, but you never back them up.

>>1466504
Nicely wew'd my lad.

>>1466510
A lot of [you's] bb girll.

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>>1467097

>not much opportunity to invest in undervalued stocks

Buffett says hi

>>1467074
>>1467074
>>1467074

>The rate of return sought should be dependent on the amount of intelligent effort the investor is willing and able to bring to bear on his task. The minimum return goes to the passive investor, who wants both safety and freedom from concern. The maximum return would be realised by the alert and enterprising investor who exercises maximum intelligence and skill.

t. Benny Graham from The Intelligent Investor

>>1467118
>>The rate of return sought should be dependent on the amount of intelligent effort the investor is willing and able to bring to bear on his task. The minimum return goes to the passive investor, who wants both safety and freedom from concern. The maximum return would be realised by the alert and enterprising investor who exercises maximum intelligence and skill.
That's a conclusory statement, full of puffery and good intentions, but completely lacking in actual hard evidence. Saying that "Graham thinks so" is not proof of an argument. Graham is full of shit and/or outdated on many topics.

So how about some real evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return. Because I know a lot of Wall Street trading firms and hedge funds (95% of them, in fact) that have FUCKING PILES of effort, skill, education, time, commitment, and resources ... and yet can't beat an index fund after accounting for their expenses.

Prove me wrong.

>>1465931
Took two decades but my 1/64th share of Disney is finally worth enough to buy a pack of gum. Thank you Luke Skywalker.

>>1467138

Well beating the market as an institutional investor who needs to invest billions in high quality and fairly low-risk investments is hard.

Beating market returns as an individual investing in under-valued or growth shares is not as difficult.

Also, Graham's writings all clearly demonstrate those willing to do good security analysis can make good returns.

Buffet's only real difference from Graham is that he places great value on unique intangible advantages like strong brand names.

I know you want to pretend you're all scientific with evidence, anon. If you'd ever read anything on investing, such as Tim Hale's book, you'd know the majority of evidence says that passive investing usually gives better returns than those who try to beat the market with stocks.

And yet here we are with people like buffett. I myself know a 75 yo guy who has made a few hundred thousand from stock investing, he's amazing.

Point is, success can be had. Don't take advice from losers though. If you follow the advice of slater, graham, and buffett, you can do a lot of good.

>>1467143
>Well beating the market as an institutional investor who needs to invest billions in high quality and fairly low-risk investments is hard.

>Beating market returns as an individual investing in under-valued or growth shares is not as difficult.
Ah, the old Buffett apology. "It's harder to invest more money than less money." Conveniently forgetting a few things though: (1) It's never been shown to be true. (2) Having more capital open up opportunities not available to smaller investors. (3) No one is requiring them to invest every dollar or even to take in every dollar offered to them, especially if they can't earn an above-market return on the funds.

It's a tired, well-worn excuse than doesn't convince anyone who thinks beyond platitudes and pithy quotes.

So, I'm still waiting for that evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return. You keep posting bullshit and idealizations. You keep posting quotes from "star" investors. You keep providing anecdotal stories about your neighbor's cousin's hairdresser.

Got any actual evidence? It's a simple question that should have a simple answer....

>>1467185

You're a giant goober.

>(2) Having more capital open up opportunities not available to smaller investors.

Yes, it does. But the fact is, an institutional investor is never going to put a small amount of money into a small-cap company. They are very limited in the type of trades they can make.

Similarly, individual investors are limited by being poor, or poorer than institutions, but they can invest in anything they can afford.

>Got any actual evidence? It's a simple question that should have a simple answer....

I've already pointed out that Tim Hale gives LOADS of references in his book to financial journals, and explained that most of the evidence suggests passive investing is better than trying to beat the market.

As someone whose day job actually involves research, let me tell you not to place too much importance on MUH JOURNALS, you fool. They only tell you what has happened in the past, for one thing, and they certainly cannot predict the future.

And they certainly do not tell you what you are capable of. With some study an intelligent person can beat the market, and indeed many of them do.

So you can stop repeating yourself asking "where is muh evidence" now. Posters of your type are very common at forums about intellectual activities, but you fail to think about any problems that """"""actual""""" evidence has.

>>1467185
>>1467143
How about when your position sizes in the millions and there is simply not enough liquidity in the orderbook to do things that you could do with a smaller position size.

>>1467196
>They are very limited in the type of trades they can make.
No. No they're not. I know of very few hedge funds or trading firms that arbitrary restrict themselves from profitable investments. And while they may have size thresholds, that's more a function of transactional and research costs rather than a limitation on their pursuit of profit.

>They only tell you what has happened in the past, for one thing, and they certainly cannot predict the future.
Nice attempt to move the goalposts and avoid the question. I'm not asking about the future. I'm asking a simple question that you're unable or refuse to answer.

>With some study an intelligent person can beat the market, and indeed many of them do.
Less than 5%. Bleak numbers indeed.

>Posters of your type
You mean people who ask for proof of claims, rather than accepting conventional wisdom? You mean people who are aware of the dismal track record of stock pickers? Or do you mean people who aren't beholden to Wall Street, like you?

So I'll ask again, and keep asking until I get a direct answer: do you have any evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return?

>>1467204
>How about when your position sizes in the millions and there is simply not enough liquidity in the orderbook to do things that you could do with a smaller position size.
No trading firm or hedge fund is required to invest all of their capital into any single investment. If they wanted to do small plays, they could. If they wanted to do hundreds of small plays, they could.

Stop with the "muh small trades" bullshit. There's no evidence that small trades are more profitable than large trades, or that trading firms are precluded from making small trades if they wanted to.

In reality, they do whatever is sufficiently profitable to keep their investors and their board happy. Even though in 95% of cases, that means underperforming an index after expenses.

>>1467220

>do you have any evidence

Yes, I do. Investors who beat the market using their effort, hard work, skill, time, and commitment.

>>1467223
>Yes, I do. Investors who beat the market using their effort, hard work, skill, time, and commitment.
Who are they, how many are there, and by how much did they beat the market? What's the correlation to effort, hard work, skill, time, and commitment? Where are the numbers?

I'll ask again, and keep asking until I get a direct answer: do you have any evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return?

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>>1467234
>I'll ask again, and keep asking until I get a direct answer
Would you stop if someone slapped the shit out of you?

>>1465750
If your good at picking losers, then put a limit order a few percentage points below the market price.

>>1467039
You should really start trading. I actually fell into that trap up there at 1 trying to go long but I also had a short a but above it waspretty risky though as the price had been spiking lately and completely blown through a couple of my limits so fast that it actually hit their stop losses which on the charts were about 10 to 30 pips away and the limits were even further from each other.

Some sort of weird slippage happened where I was charge for 0 pips for both orders being activated.

I also set a limit there at the end of that too and made another quick 60 pips or so right before the market ended too.

I'm no expert myself but I like the way you see the charts. It's similar to how I see it. You would probably be pretty good at this.

Too many people are focused on chasing the trend in too short of a time frame and lose. They don't see the traps which you should be doing the opposite of the masses to actual win good trades

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>>1465934

Clouds actually have really nice patterns.

>>1467088
Going to take a look through these

>>1467433
from chapter 2 on the history of technical and fundamental analysis in the book "Investing With Volume Analysis: Identify, Follow, and Profit From Trends"

>>1467354
this is actually a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
>is the human tendency to perceive meaningful patterns within random data.

>>1467322
you might be interested in the book "Daemon Goldsmith Order Flow Trading for Fun and Profit"

>>1467599
I'll look into it but I honestly have trouble understanding this kind of stuff from books. Much easier if I see it on a chart

>>1467093
This is a pretty good read so far. Sounds like technicals got cucked by fundamentals even though technicals were clearly predicting shit and making people into millionairesome.

Then some guy told everyone not to worry about learning the markets and dealing with manipulation(which I doubt can ever be stopped) and just focus on fundamentals and long term trades.


Reading this makes a lot of things clear to me and answers some questions. I've always wondered why the average person thinks you can't predict the market and thinks it's all random.


Thanks for this. This is really interesting so far

>>1467096
OK now this makes things much much clearer holy shit. The SEC basically brain washed everyone.

Well if these fools want to believe that the market can't be gamed and like that dude said don't want to learn the laws of supply and demand then that just makes it easier for people like me to slaughter them in the markets.

>>1468259
>>1467599
>>1467798

Don't mean to bother you guys, I'm a newfag on this board and I was wondering how you guys got to where you guys are now?

You guys seem to have heads on your shoulders. I'm new to business and finance and wanted to start learning as a hobby mostly and perhaps as something profitable in the future. Is there anything I should focus on as a beginner?

Im looking for some guidance or some general direction to steer. I was thinking of learning what I could on Khan academy and see which way the wind blows from there. Anything would be helpful

>>1468329
I haven't gotten anywhere yet. I've only been learning how to trade for the last year and I only started to have a better understanding of the market very recently like maybe the last 4-6 months. And on top of that I seem to only be able to trade gold well.

I guess you want to study supply and demand and the way the ways the market moves.

Most of what I learned is from watching some videos on how the market traps the average investors into fake out moves and then watching the charts and learning why what I was learning as a beginner wasn't working and seemed to always have me trading the exact opposite of what the market was doing for the day.

And then lots and lots of live trading experience over the last year and looking at other traders charts and entries to help structure the way I see things and building from there.

It's probably a good idea to just read some of those books the other guy is recommending. Will save you a lot of pain and money learning those same lessons from the market at a premium price.

>>1465757
>technical analysis
lel that shit's a meme, it doesn't work

>technical analysis
"see dey beez 2 hills on dis chart here? dat means da double top pattern gunna go downzies"
It's just pseudo science garbage

>>1465934
>"I like to talk complicated talk and look smart but can't be bothered with a fundamental and mathematical understanding of what I try to make money off of"

This sums "technical" "analysis" up.

>>1466132
DELET THIS!!"!1!!!

>>1467003
LOL ROBOTS BTFO
HOW CAN HE EVER RECOVER

>>1469394
Some technical analysis is okay if there's a logic to the patterns.

For instance heads and shoulders. It's the point where an up trend fails to make a new high.

Trendline break is a natural point where stoplosses are. When stoplosses are hit, people that have bought expecting a bounce all 'sell' accelerating the price.

Supply and demand just represents unfilled orders. So a bank tells some trader to place 500lots of EUR/USD at 1.1 price. Lets say 400 of those 500 gets filled. There's 100 more lots sitting there at that price.

So when price goes around and comes back to 1.1 it jumps up again as those orders are consumed.

>>1466504
nicely wew'd my lad

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>>1465853
Lol, my thought. "Buy one share, then sell one hundred, then buy 99 to cover the gap."

>>1469465
lolwut

>>1467185
Lol bro
Go try to buy 50 BILLION dollars worth of any stock lol just try. That's the cash Berk is sitting on right now. No they don't need to invest every dollar, and they don't! All that waiting for the right, big opportunity is harder than just buying memes on Robinhood.
>tfw you are sharing a board with people that honestly think investing is linear

>>1469657
BRK doesn't buy public stock, moron. Well, they do buy some, but their trading activities are a de minimus percentage of their income.

>tfw you are sharing a board with people who don't know the difference between M&A and stock purchases

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>>1470297
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Berkshire_Hathaway

>>1465750
The stock market is not for you.

>>1465750
Most institutional investors are in it for the short run. Most stockholders outside of Wall Street are in it for the long run.

Think about the long run. By seeing the stock going down, you are guaranteed to lose money. 99% of stocks will not plummet to zero.

>>1465914
Except you do. Companies can go under and have their stock ticker removed from the system. No penny stock starts as a penny stock.

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THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, THIS IS NOT A DRILL OR A SHILL.

>>>>>>>>>SWHC + SLV<<<<<<<<<<<<
SWHC ER (EARNINGS REPORT) COMING IN
SILVER WILL RISE BECAUSE OF DOLLAR CRASH

INVESTORS ARE JUMPING ON THE SILVER (SLV) BANDWAGON AND GOLD,
THE USA HAS SO MUCH DEBT THAT THEY ARE JUST PRINTING THEIR OWN MONEY.

THE DOLLAR IS SAID TO CRASH NEXT WEEK.

INVESTORS ARE BUYING SILVER (SLV) BECAUSE GOLD IS BECOMING TOO EXPENSIVE.


>>>BUY SLV
(iShares Silver Trust (ETF))

AND

>BUY SWHC
(Smith & Wesson Holding Corp)

I KNOW THIS SEEMS UNSURE, BUT SLV WILL RISE IN PANIC OF DOLLAR CRASH, MANY INVESTORS ARE BUYING SLV... ITS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER THAN YOU THINK IT IS.

>WITH A MIX OF SWHH , YOU GOT YOURSELF SOME GUNS AND SOME SILVER, FEAR MONGERING AND NEARING THE ELECTION SWHC WILL SKYROCKET, AND BECAUSE OF PANIC IN DOLLAR CRASH FOR NEXT WEEK, PEOPLE STOCK UP ON SILVER.

SLV IS A SECURE INVESTMENT
AS WELL AS SWHC.

SWHC + SLV ANY NAYSAYERS ARE KEKS


>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z5py1098RA [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR6p4vPck9A [Embed]

SLV AFTER GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN mooned CONTINOUSLY.
IM HERE TO SAVE YOU ALL.

>>1470309
Owning shares in a public company doesn't mean you bought them off an exchange, idiot. Ever heard of a tender offer?

>Jesus, I'm getting cancer just dealing with these morons.

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>>1470369
tender offer means you payed above share price because you are buying so many shares.

its painfully apparent that you are indeed new 2 the game. while i ,intact , am TRUE , to the game, keep playin tho playa. .

>>1470397
>tender offer means you payed above share price because you are buying so many shares.
It's called a control premium.

Are you the same moron quoting investopedia in the other thread? I hope so. I'd be even more sad if there were TWO people so stupid. I'm honestly hoping it's just you.

>>1470366

Silver could go down to 17 dollareedoos yet. Even lower.

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>>1470403
Tender Offer Definition | Investopedia
www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tenderoffer.asp
Investopedia
A tender offer is an offer to purchase some or all of shareholders' shares in a corporation. The price offered is usually at a premium to the market price.

>>1465760

"lmao"

>>1465951

Look at the fucking Nikkei cunt

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>>1470366
>THE DOLLAR IS SAID TO CRASH NEXT WEEK.

Yeah and Russia is going to invade USA next week too.

>>1467594

ordo ab chaos or some shit nigga

It's called having a fucking brain

many investors much smarter and successful than you lot attribute a lot of their success to technical analysis

Just because you're shit at it and can't combine it with a fundamental view doesn't make it useless

>>1466132
This

Just use finance ratios to make sure the company isn't fucked before you buy it.

Enough muh super intelligent speculation

I'm going to buy 10K of AMZN monday and it will assuredly crash and burn for the rest of the year.

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>>1470642

>>1472244
>>1470642
You are going to try to catch that falling knife?

I learned about that term on investipedia.

>>1465750

IT WONT STOP HAPPENEING

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>>1465750
what criteria are you using to pick stocks?

I used to be a prop trader, and I used what I learned about institutional algorithms to develop my own indicator. But it's not like I run around applying my indicator to anything with a pulse. I am very particular about my short list of stocks. Then I apply my custom indicator to my short list and:

>pic related.

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TA is a meme, all you should do is buy Bitcoin on every dip or cry later.

>>1465750
cuz ur too big of a pussy to sell

>>1473473
What would you say are the different risk/reward ratios that the institutions use in trading positions (not market making)?

>>1473523
I wouldn't say. Nothing personal, it's just how I feed my kid. I have no incentive to see my strat diluted by posting specific details online.

>>1466510
Give good luck to other anons you retarded cunt

what other use do you think it has?

>>1465967
>>1465966
>>1465961
>>1465951
>>1465943
>>1465934
>>1465931
>>1465914
I bought a meme stock (AFPO) and it has gone down 90%. All of my bluechip picks have soared 20-40% in a year. Lesson learnt. Not penny stocking again tbqh.

>>1465757
But it becomes more and more popular, when a majority of people will do it, won't it be usefull, or true more often, not always because of luck ?

>>1465757
who the fuck orders shots of espresso?

>>1473543
Exactly. People don't understand that if you share what you know and everyone starts using it then it won't work as well anymore.

There has to be losers so the few can win. Everyone can't win or it doesn't work.

>Short a ton of stock
>Buy a small amount of stock
>Sell portions of that stock for lower prices that would almost certainly be immediately snatched up
>Do this over and over again until you create a panic-sell situatoin
>MASSIVE gains on the shorted stock
So why wouldn't this work

>>1474337
I don't do stocks but apparently people used to do things like this and now there are rules against shit like that.

>1467138
>1467143
>1467185
>1467196
>1467220
>posting your blog on a self destructing image board

>>1474337
One thing to consider is that your sell orders would only be filled on an uptick after a decline activates this uptick rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptick_rule
>The uptick rule is a trading restriction that states that short selling a stock is only allowed on an uptick.
>It is triggered when a security's price decreases by 10% or more from the previous day's closing price


Another thing to consider is that there are plenty of examples of traders entering incorrect prices way below/above the market and they lost hundreds of millions or even billions to the other sharks in the water who smelt the blood because when you are offering APPL for $7.71 instead of $771 they are willing to buy as many as you can give them. And then these typo traders got hit with huge fines from the regulators for manipulation and causing halts.

http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2007-03-12/the-fat-finger-points-to-trouble-for-traders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat-finger_error

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46835129
>Shares of Apple plunged 9 percent on a single trade, causing it to be halted by the single stock circuit breaker rule
>A single trade of 100 shares at a price of $542.80 hit the tape at 10:57
>The previous trade seconds earlier was at a price of $598.26.
>“It looks like a fat finger mistake,”

https://www.quora.com/In-securities-trading-what-does-fat-finger-trade-mean
>Apple's share price fell today because a trader supposedly entered a price for Apple stock that was much lower than the market. He essentially gave away apple stock at a steep discount and the market responded with confusion and selling. The activity was so significant that automatic security protocols were launched resulting in a "halt trading" in which Apple's stock stopped trading until the mistake was uncovered. Apple's stock recovered promptly after the error was identified and the shares resumed trading.

>>1474696
But if you have deep enough pockets to exhaust the buyers you may get 'lucky':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash
>detailed how a large mutual fund firm selling an unusually large number of E-Mini S&P contracts first exhausted available buyers, and then how high-frequency traders (HFT) started aggressively selling, accelerating the effect of the mutual fund's selling and contributing to the sharp price declines
>determined that a large seller, a mutual fund firm, exhausted available fundamental buyers and then triggered a cascade of selling by intermediaries, particularly high-frequency trading firms.

>>1465750
lol I know the feel anon, I know the feel

>>1474337

That's called "painting the tape" I believe and it is illegal

Do not do it. Ever ever

>>1474704
>>1474337
interesting, not tryna to do that just curious. dont you need massive amounts to do that, like millions?

Does anyone here actually make decent profit from stock investments and how much?

>>1466011

I believe you'll find it's the "farting duck" pattern.

>>1465853
Topkek

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>>1466768
>i knew it

>>1465750
shoulda bought Rich Dad, Poor Dad

THEN and only THEN will you be financially successful

>>1473917
>I got burned once and now I'm too much of a pussy to ever do it again

Not really a good attitude for life tbph

>>1474325
The stock market isn't a zero sum game. Companies are creating value and grow in size organically. Companies develop new tech and new products. Markets expand, economies expand. Zero-sum is just a child-tier meme.

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>>1475176
deal with it.

>>1474337
lol, the fucking amount of illiteracy on this board. 4 people replied to you, and none of them hit the mark.
>if you short a ton of stock, then buy a small amount of stock, you are now short slightly less than a ton of stock and you do not own any. Short 1 million shares, then buy 100,000 shares, you are now net short 900,000 shares. Period. End of story.
Also, thinking that you can just sell your 100,000 shares down to shittier and shittier prices. There is such a thing as a bid/ask spread. You cannot sell at a price lower than the current highest bid. You can try, but your broker will just match your retarded sell order with the NBBO (National Best Buy or Offer). So right now, you could go out and put in a sell order on AAPL for $0.01 and you broker will just execute that order at $106.38 for you.
So much fucking stupid. I don't know why I even.

>>1466768
>Taking a picture of his screen
Trading geniuses in this thread

>>1475180
>I got burned once and now I'm too much of a pussy to ever do it again
That's what I said about Three Card Monte.
But now I realize that like penny stocks, I should try again, with more money.

>>1467039
Where did you learn how to do this? Because of you I recently started looking into this and stumbled upon some videos that teach what I've been painstakingly teaching myself from scratch.

Seems like my crude and simple view of the markets is about to get expanded on exponentially .

I didn't think I would actually learn anything useful here but you helped point me in the right direction.

I'll probably take a break from trading for a while and at the very least skip out on nfp while I study this shit.

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Anyone else make money on the brazil impeachment? I'm up 120k this year.

Put $50 in 4 days ago, up to $120 today. This shit is so easy come on senpai you got this

I've got one
>Buy cryptocurrency
>It goes up 10%
I had no idea it was such a small currency

>>1477066
I already recommended the book I started with:
>>1467599
>you might be interested in the book "Daemon Goldsmith Order Flow Trading for Fun and Profit"
since this was one of the first books I read I see the rest through tinted glasses because now every other book I read I see these concepts between the lines, even going back to Edwards&Magee I these concepts being hinted at.
From here I was able to find a lot more information and ventured out into other concepts related to this by searching for things like: order flow, trapped traders, depth of market, price ladder, market microstructure, tape reading, metagame concepts like lots of traders placing their stops at the same level, institutions with large positions hunting for liquidity.
Al Brooks talks about trapped traders in his price action books.

>>1477255
I see thanks. So if you have all this knowledge why aren't you trading? You would make a killing.

>>1477407
Like I said I'm very new to this and I still have a lot to learn and plan on reading many more books first. I enjoy learning as much as I can anyways so I'm enjoying the journey.

>>1478336
Look up a guy named Mike j huddleston of ict.a lot of it you may already know but I'm sure you will find it very interesting.

>>1465996
if you see that beautiful duck pattern and don't buy it you only have yourself to blame

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It can't be this easy

>>1465750
>you see a stock go up
>you get excited
>so you buy it too
>it goes down
Turns out when the stock is going up, the people and institutions who bought before you were taking profits, causing the stock to go down.

Why don't you do the opposite? Buy during the accumulation phase, after a decline, then sell when the stock is going up and distribution phase.

If you're thinking that doing the opposite is scary, remember that buy when it's scary for ordinary people, and sell when ordinary people are excited and positive.

>>1465750
What stocks are these my shorting budda

>>1479479
This anon knows whats up

i usually do this.. got burned a few times by bull traps. I bought the dips and it kept dipping. But thats part of the game. sometimes you learn to cut your losses.

>>1479479

so buy low and sell high?

HOLY SHIT WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT

WE HAVE A MODERN DAY GENIUS HERE

>>1479714
It's a lot more complicated than you are making it seem.

>>1479706
This guy seems to know what's up to.

There are trap moves that make you think it's going one way when it's really going another way and it happens very very fast.

You have to have a great understanding of what's going on. I mean honestly would you have sold into this here or bought it? It moved down in seconds and back up in seconds.

Of course you can set limits but you have to know exactly where to place them and it takes either a lot of luck or a great understanding of what's happening

>>1466975

>>1478408
I looked into ICT back when I was researching hunting for liquidity but I didn't look into it any further but now you've brought it to my attention that it is much much deeper than than. I really like it so far. I especially like how it unifies a lot of concepts from different camps into one framework. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

>>1465853
And then it goes up
kek

>>1466504
Nicely wew'd my lad.

>>1466504
nicely wew'd my lad

>>1468329
>heads on your shoulders
Kek
>>1465934
>>1465943
>>1480450
Man you guys are actually idiots
There are many successful traders who use fundamentals, technical analysis and quantitative as well as qualitative analysis to make decisions. TA is not a meme, you're on a 5chan finance board lol. Of course no one here would know how to use it, but it works. Paul tudor Jones etc. When certain ratios reach cyclical lows and macro sentiment is smooth and there's an RSI & MACD bullish divergence near a key fibonacci retracement level it can indicate a reversal you cuck. Its a cyborg finance world, not your dad's 1980s human only market

>>1465750

>not staying the course

>>1480491
No thank you friend. I was starting to put together a lot of the little pieces from teaching myself how to swing trade basically.

And some of the things you mentioned like order blocks got me digging and looking and it led me to this guy.

I've been watching his stuff and it's starting to fill in the gaps of what I've been discovering on my own.

I think I'll take a break from trading for a while and study.

I already have some new ideas on how I want to eventually trade. Thinking of trading somewhere between how a hedge fund and an institutional trades.

I want to position and swing trade while stacking orders for my position trades and unload them at the end of the cycle and then do it the opposite way back every cycle.

I thought I couldn't find anything worthwhile here but I found you and it helped lead me to where I needed to look next.

>>1467017
>mutual funds
Enjoy your high MERs when you can get the same or better returns with ETFs

>>1465750

retard

Been on this thread for almost 20 and still don't know wtf is being discussed.

Finance grad here lol

>>1466504
nicely wew'd my lad

Buy stocks.
Stock goes down.
Buy more of said stock.
Stock goes down.
Buy even more of said stock.
Stock goes up.
Profit.

Literally half of every stock I've bought goes down when I buy it.

It's difficult to pick the perfect time to buy, so you just get as close as you can then average down until you feel comfortable holding or it bottoms out.

This thread has been here like a week now what the fuk is even going on in it?
How come my "every stock I buy goes down thread" didn't last a week and have 200 replies?

>>1483592
What the fuck actually over a week now

>>1483535
>buy stock
>stock goes down
>buy more stock
>stock goes down more
>buy more stock
>stock continues to fall
>buy more stock on margin
>stock stays at bottom
>stock doesn't rise for 10 years
>all your money you ever had is tied up and you have absolutely nothing to show for it.


this WILL happen to you the more you work in the markets. its up to you how much money you want to lose.
This is how great wealth dies.

>>1483535
More like

Buy stocks.
Stock goes down.
Buy more of said stock.
Stock goes down.
Buy even more of said stock.
Stock goes up.
Doesn't go above your average price/share.
Falls down again.
You buy more.
Falls more.
You buy more.
Stock rises.
Still doesn't go above your average price.
You by more.
Stock falls more.
Stock is flatlining.
Stock is in danger of delisting.
You panic. But because it will go up you don't sell, though you're down 90%.
Stock gets delisted.
Stock is fucking dead and your shares are worth less than a penny.

Add some stock splits in there so your shares really do end up worth less than a penny by the end of the day.

>>1478408
>>1481392
Have you looked into analyzing volume going off at the bid and offer? This nicely complements with orderflow analysis. Some call this footprint charts of volume delta or volume profile and there are several products that offer this such as sierra and marketdelta and ninja. here are just a few examples of what this looks like but there is plenty more out there on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abH9NkZev68
https://youtu.be/oZ_9GksAGms?t=1098
https://youtu.be/fEcTYDrDuUA?t=1573
https://youtu.be/9vtb10g7oHs?t=2857

Buy a stock, stock goes down.
Buy more of said stock, it goes down even more.
Stock stays at the bottom for months, you wait patiently.
It falls even more after months of waiting.
>"Well, I guess I should cut my 60% loss"
Sell stock.
Next day it goes up 40%.
>"I'm not falling for that trick again, I'm not buying you, only to go down the next day."
Stock goes up 25%
Stock goes up 30% again the next day.
>"alright, I guess I should buy. Don't wanna be left out."
Buy stock.
It goes down 50%.

>>1484587
This post is perfect.

/thread

>>1478615
Only if the duck is facing upward. The duck is looking straight down so it's imminent doom

>>1465750
So I checked a paper trading account I hadn't used in a year and I made about $1500 profits in that time. I'd say that's pretty fucking good but what do you faggots think?

>>1487432

Utter retardation. Price is a reflection of fools fears and emotions over it. All the good investors like ben graham and buffett agree with this.

Do good fundamental analysis and find companies that do good business.

>>1487894
>Price is a reflection of fools fears and emotions over it.
>Do good fundamental analysis and find companies that do good business.

That's a contradiction. No matter how good a company is, if fools aren't emotional about it, price won't move. No matter how shitty a company is, if people are emotional and positive about it, price will move up.

Fundamental analysis doesn't matter. It's a waste of time. Same with technical analysis. Better do a psychological analysis.

>>1487495
Buy and hold works in an uptrending market. If the market was trending down for the past year, you would have made -$1500 in losses.

>>1487495
Depends how much you started with.
$2000? Fucking great gains.
$50000? Fucking pathetic.

>>1487914

That's not true though. Only a fool would buy a stock on the price alone. If the company is great but nobody is excited about it, then the price is probably undervalued and you can make good money on it as its earnings increase (and thus, its price will increase anyway).

>>1466768
what app is that?

>>1488389
>and thus, its price will increase anyway
Why would its price increase?

Earnings don't make a stock's price increase. It's possible that a company can have growing earnings but flat stock price.

So why would an undervalued company's stock price increase? Answer: When people get excited about the company and start buying. So why study fundamentals when it's the people that make the price move, for both undervalued, overvalued, good, and bad companies.

The most important single factor in making money in the stock market is public psychology. The fact that people think prices are going to advance or decline very much contributes to their movement, and the very momentum of the trend itself tends to perpetuate itself.

An understanding of mass psychology is often more important than an understanding of economics. Markets are driven by human beings making human errors and also making super-human insights.

>>1488488

>Why would its price increase?

Because:

>Earnings are the engine that drives the share price. If the engine fails or falters the price will come down. There can be no doubt that earnings per share growth and the performance of share prices are umbilically linked, though there may be long periods during which they get out of kilter

t. Jim Slater, a guy who has been investing successfully longer than you've been breathing, ran an investment conglomerate, and also made himself and many of his friends rich with his method.

>>1488497
>Earnings are the engine that drives the share price.

Nope. If no one buys the stock, or if there's no demand, the price will not go up. And who buys the stock? the irrational humans

A fundamentally good, undervalued company with good earnings can have a flat stock price for a long, long time.

John Maynard Keynes said,
>"The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."

>>1488497
It's the people's expectations that matter, not the earnings. If a company has negative earnings, lots of debt, but people expect the company to make it big in the near future (because there's a new CEO and it's the Google guys, for example), a lot will buy it and the stock price will go up.

That's just an example. Negative earnings, lots of debt, but people are excited because they believe in the CEO, its price can go up quickly.

>>1488516
Oh I don't disagree with that at all.

But going back to my original point, and it seems you agre with me here, people's expectations can hugely influence the price.

And like Graham said with his analogy of Mr Market, you shouldn't pay attention to the whims of others.

Instead you have to do good fundamental analysis and find companies with intrinsic value to invest in.

>>1465757
Is it possible to be successful at technical analysis by checking stocks occasionally throughout the day?

>>1466940
>I used my heart
Never change /biz/... Never change.

>>1465931
5 year plan dude. dont watch the market every other day. look at months, and years. thats the big win.

>>1488681
this

don't be a day trader unless you have tons of fun money to play with that is separate from your day to day expenses.

buy into total stock and total bond market index funds or etf type blends weekly or monthly.

Over a lengthy amount of time doing this you can start generating decent passive income monthly, all while not having to worry about anything other than rebalancing your portfolio between stocks and bond funds.

>>1488529


more to my earlier points:

>In the heyday of strong “efficient market” views, the accounting that
fundament investors so rely on was dismissed: accounting does not
matter, it was said, for the market can see through the accounting. What
then, one might ask, does the market see? The standard answer is
that the market sees through to the future cash flows. But one cannot,
of course, see the future. The market must see something observable,
something real, and that reality must be some form of information that
forecasts future cash flows. We, of course, do see factories, employees,
the movement of goods and delivery of ser vices, but accounting produces a repre sen ta tion of these realities appropriate for valuation.

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>>1467096

>2016
>still falling for the stock market mem
ISHYGDDT

>>1483681
Seems cool but I'm not interested in any fancy expensive indicators. And my technical analysis skills and ability to read market structure is growing much quicker than it could have on its own. I can now see more complex price action so I'll just keep honing this skill.

>>1485595
Why do you waste your time with these fools? They'll never appreciate what you try to teach and most won't even understand.

Business is more about rocks and shit than your pathetic existence.

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>>1488437
robin hood.

let me know if u want some recommendations / strategies.

i can break u off 3 really hot tips for the coming few months.

>>1489669
lets hear it

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>>1489698
buy MEET at around 6.00 if you can , they were hit in publicity and are about to start buying back shares, seems kinda insider, but what do I know. who would say....

trade the swings on KO , you can get in now.

trade the swings in FOX.A
(or b, i happen to prefer a shares)
you can get in now :)
<3

>>1489669

why would i possibly care about someone pulling in sub 3%

>>1489669
how about you post the "ALL" chart then we can talk

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>>1489724
if u like low risk?
instead of putting all ur cash in meme stocks with scary looking balance sheets?
i run a fund and an online bank/brokerage soo i dont have a need or want to pull death defying financial heroics.

>>1489732

You are showing me a 3% increase on $1000, if you are doing that with a well-balanced hedge fund then congrats, but with $1000 I don't see the point. Why not make 10% trading AMD and just let profits sit in BRK.B?

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>>1489727
cuz its the same , but with a longer tail. i haven't had robin hood on my phone for that long, didn't know it existed. i been throwing some spare change into it, testing out some strategies for the fund.


>>1489738
its only 3 percent so far, thats more like the taste, im actually telling u when 2 get in so.... i expect all three of those to deliver upwards of 30% but. u wouldn't want me to tell u after i took down the profits and they peaked would you?
or are u one of those buy high sell lows?

>>1489744

I appreciate the calls. It just seems a bit silly to be posting a gain of 3% in a month and acting like that's a lot of clout. I would recommend AMRS, anything gold related, and buying the AMD dip. Maybe SWHC. MSTX if you are a memer.

>>1489744
the "ALL" chart doesn't show the tail.. the year chart would.. so stop being a faggot and show it or else nobody cares about your little gains

>>1489756
in all the time that i posted here , have i ever posted negative?

>>1489767
feel stupid.
now.
not about being wrong.
about being rude and wrong.

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>>1489772
and now apologize, for using ur online anonymity to be a real lyfe jerk

>>1465750
>tfw I made 15% in the last 2 weeks on asx.RAP

>>1489772
proove me wrong then

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>>1466504
nicely wew'd my lad

>>1484587
quit investing i n shitty pump n dump schemes retard

>>1489715
Tfw bought meet at 5.28

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>>1490766
its still a good time to buy meet.
im gonna hold mine for a few years.
teens aint gonna stop being horny, and advertisers aint gonna stop capitalizing on them.
internet stocks make huge gains. and this companies got solid books.
that price is gonna hit at least 25 before i sell... but thats just me

>>1466504
nicely wew'd my lad

>>1489715
How do you know about the buybacks?

>>1491470
i work with a highly compensated research team that procures cutting edge information , in an extremely timely manner. they're are certain questions I don't ask them, and they're are certain answers they cannot legally disclose, but , you nor i wouldn't nor couldn't be legally liable for acting on this information.

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>>1491486
Thanks. It's just hard to trust an anon on 4chan (and especially one who works for a research team yet can't type 'there are' correctly :^))

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>>1491490
yo, i was being sarcastic . it on their investor relations .

when u go to the site, create profile, link it on ur fb and twitter, recruitment adds to their bottom line marketing pitch to advertisers.

this is the best kinda business to be in right now but if you cant research ur own due dilligence, honestly, you dont deserve to make the money.