Are prostitutes more economical than having a gf? Here is my

Having a gf requires taking her out, buying her stupid shit whenever she's in a pissy mood, makeup, tampons, etc.

A prostitute doesn't even cost $200. An escort maybe. You can find any single mother to give you some pussy for $50.

>>1308332
What are you talking about? Gfs are incredible investments, especially hen you live with them.

>Rent and bills go down because you split them with them
>Food costs go down by about 30% as it's cheaper to buy and cook for two. Girls have better cooking skills and will waste less food.
>More free time because she'll do half or usually more of the laundry, washing, cleaning and cooking
>Entertainment halve drop as you share the costs of music/movie/books or vidya (if she's into that)
>Dramatic reduction in money pissed away at pubs/clubs, bullshit social engagements that you were only attending to meet a girl anyway. Staying in becomes the best.
>fuel savings.

From my experience I can say I saved a shitload of money when I moved out of my share house and into an apartment with my gf EVEN THOUGH my rent actually went up $50 a week. The food, fuel and going out expenses were jsut that much reduced.

Literally the only cost is birthday/christmas gifts and you have to spend like 10 minutes a day hearing her yap on about whatever happened that day. Usually then you can proceed to ejaculate inside them or kiss them (kissing is important)

>>1308346
>Usually then you can proceed to ejaculate inside them or kiss them

The kiss goes before or after ejaculating?

>>1308348
Well sometimes they'll be all fickle and not want you to ejaculate inside them because then they have to clean up and they might be bsuy with study or whatever.
Kissing never gets turned downt hough, so kidd either way and offer ejaculation once it looks liek they've finsihed talking.

>>1308348
During.

Girls love that shit especially with the tongue.

>>1308332

Prostitute
1 visit = sex one time = 200 $

If your gf costs $400 a month you break even 2nd time you get laid. After that you will only lower the marginal cost. Just talking about this makes me hard af.


Also;
>implying my gf dosent make me money

Your gf should pay for herself, 1/2 the cost of housing, 1/2 utilites, and 1/2 of the groceries.

So its a good deal.

>>1308332
Neither are those options are optimal anon.

Get a friend with benefits/fuck buddy. I have one, she comes over a few times a week. We fuck, she leaves. $0 spent, ever.

>>1308332

> not having an agreed upon split of shared costs based on income with qt3.14 gf

60/40 here feels alright

>>1308332
you also need to consider the value of having much more variety with a prostitute

asian, european, nigger, older, younger, big tits, small tits, whatever you feel like any day of the week.

just as importantly, if you're a 5/10, you can easily fuck a 10/10 prostitute, but good luck getting a 10/10 gf.

One little sperm = $$$$$ for 18 years.
And you'll pay it whether she still gives you blowjobs or not, or if you're sick of her overbearing fat ass.
And if you lived together and shared meals, bills, goods, etc, congratulations, she's your 'common law' wife now she can take half your shit when she leaves.
This is becoming standard in all Western countries, and some non-Western. Femcunts will make this a global standard sleep watch out.

Also fuck bills, all the unnecessary shit you don't care about? She does. One big purchase can wipe out your 'savings'. And don't think she hasn't done the fucking math, she has 'but honey, you don't go out with the guys anymore, so we fan go to nicer (more expensive) restaurants, and sometimes I get tired of cooking, we can just get takeout, and spend more around the house.
Look forward to arguing over a new carpet, curtains, ornaments, bullshit like that you could have done without.
Men hunt and women nest.
But you'll cave in one day, and just think 'oh, fuck it, splitting our stuff up would be a hassle, I'll just go along with it, I suppose the BJ's are good.
Make no mistake, once they are in, they will have you by the balls, and they will squeeze them.
Until they pop.

You don't pay hookers for sex, you pay them to shut up and fuck off afterwards without getting up in your shit...

Would /biz/ ever consider dating an infertile woman?

A cute chick who works for the same company as me recently got dumped by her longterm bf when they found out it's impossible for her to have children. I'm thinking about making a move. We're both early twenties.

>>1308529
>Would /biz/ ever consider dating an infertile woman?

Pls dont base your personal life on what a couple of crypto neets think. Just make a move unless you are sure you want kids soon

>>1308529

I would, my family is riddled with cancer anyway so if everything changes and I want a kid when I'm 40 I'll just adopt

>>1308346
>Girls have better cooking skills and will waste less food.
too obvious bait.

>>1308332
The big cost of having a girlfriend is the loss of time.

>>1308616
THIS


also another thing

>prostitute = highly attractive physical specimen
>gf = plain and homely average girl

>>1308346
With a GF that moves in with you, the real costs come later in life. Once they move in, chances of a marriage shoot up significantly (they know this). This will eventually lead to a divorce in 1/2 the cases, and ensuing lifetime costs - perm alimony etc.

>>1308641
this

but chads get hot girls for free and bareback them while we subhumans are stuck with hookers

honestly suicide is the answer as a sub8

>>1308339
what a fucking no gf robot retard

gf has job she earns money you need to spend less on living, free sex, she cooks -> less expense on food, definitely worth it.

>>1308332
Your question is like asking: is it more economical to rent a Ferrari each weekend, or to buy a Toyota for daily use?

>>1308796
Except the Ferrari won't give you aids if you forget to wear a rubber suit while driving.

And the Toyota won't refuse to let you drive it unless you buy it new gold rims that make you look FUCKING RIDICULOUS you OLD fucking FAT BITCH Toyota.

If you think your gf is less economical than a hooker then you should break up.

There are definitely gfs out there that are more economical than a hooker. Maybe they're rare but they exist.

>>1309056
The costs for a GF/Wife are backloaded (family law) as opposed to front loaded.

I.e. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

>>1308332
You are making a huge mistake in your calculation.
You are not paying prostitute for sex. You are paying her that she goes home after you are done with her.

>>1309061
Well that's assuming you get a divorce.

There are definitely gfs out there who won't divorce you. Good luck picking them out though.

>>1308332
so you only expect to get laid once a month from your gf? the fuck?

>>1309157
All depends since I am fairly rich a GF would expect a certain lifestyle when living with me plus the risk of golddiggers paternity etc etc.

Hitting up an escort 3-4 times a week for 2 or so hours a week definitely works out cheaper.

>>1309196
youre the dumbest person ive ever encountered on this board

>>1309196
>fairly rich

*tips fedora*

There isn't such a thing as free sex for men. You have two options, the "cheap" one (200$/hour) is the hooker and the extremely expensive one is the girlfriend. You choose.

I know this is 4chan and most of you are neckbeard neets but goddam this thread is sad

>>1308546
I want to become a neet just so someone will call me a cryptoneet

>>1308332
you don't get to feel desired, confident, and emotionally fulfilled from a prostitute (inb4 faggot)

sex with a prostitute is glorified masturbation

>>1309229
there is the option of learning game and bedding random women you meet the night you meet them

>inb4 women would never do that

>>1309268
true you don't have to worry about pleasing them, you can get comfy and let them work to your satisfaction.
sometimes it might be nice. not sure if worth the risks.

Yes, hookers are much much cheaper.

I once had a gf and I ended up shelling out (I calculated) $14,500 over an 8 month period that I wouldn't have otherwise. Never again.

To make this argument you also have to quantify STD risk and how that potentially could cost you in the future.

>>1309291
What did you buy? I cant believe that is true but lets roleplay

>>1309352
Didn't buy anything, just going on 3 flight vacations, 2 road trips, restaurants 3x a week, etc. when if I were alone, I just would have stayed home and ate canned food like normal

>>1308332
Where do you even find decent girls who don't expect you to pay for things (dates,food,gifts,etc) more than 60% of the time ?

We (men) put in all the work and women choose not to give anything back.

How has your gf/wife helped or rewarded you after all the hard work you put in, on a daily basis ?

>>1308332
>Prostitute:
>1 visit * $200 = $200

$200 for each sexual intercourse, with a woman who gets fucked regularly by men of questionable cleanliness... As well as having to use a condom and having a lot less freedom with how you do "things"

>GF:
>4 weekends of entertainment * $100 = $400

What makes you think that's necessary? You can hang out in yours/her home and watch a pirated movie or something, it's not that expensive wtf

>>1309362
Thats your own fault that you cuck yourself famelam

>>1309291
>>1309362
Sounds like you're just a retard though.

Just because you acted retardedly doesn't make girlfriends a bad choice

>>1309362
sorry you had to leave the comforting glow of your laptop to have fun and sex. sounds like a terrible time

>>1309367
you find a backbone and dictate the terms of your own relationships.

>>1309204
And your argument is ... ?

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>>1308332
>he pays for pussy
might as well just burn that money

>>1308339
I fuck my girlfriend at least 20 times a week(she's Italian), good luck surviving that cost on an escort/prostitute.

>>1309407
>might as well just burn that money

This.

Paying a woman for sex takes all the fun out of it.
It's like paying people to attend your birthday party and sing you happy birthday. - Why even bother?

>>1309430
>I fuck my girlfriend at least 20 times a week(she's Italian)

What did the Italian part have to do with this? Is there some meme about Italians and high libidos that I'm unaware of?

>>1309407
Kek, like any woman would just have sex without wanting something in return.

Nothing is free, especially not pussy.

>>1309430
>20 times a week
lol. if youre gonna lie try like 10 or so.

>>1309441
you give her something in return: fun and good emotions and a chance to be part of your life

>>1309441
>Kek, like any woman would just have sex without wanting something in return.
>Nothing is free, especially not pussy.

You provide a fun time and companionship in return.

>Sex without wanting something in return
>Nothing is free, especially not pussy

You do know that women like sex too, right? Sex isn't something that women just "give"

>>1308346
This anon knows what's up. I'm way better off financially living with my gf than I'd be if I was solo.

>>1309432

Well duh, we wouldn't otherwise get that pussay. Also, no part of "the hunt" is fun, fuck you.

>>1309492
Maybe for a beta

>>1309492
>Also, no part of "the hunt" is fun,

because you take yourself too seriously and get butthurt by rejection.

>>1309517
This desu too

you probably take yourself way too seriously, learn to relax and enjoy all aspects of it.

It's like going to the gym, you can't simply enjoy your big muscles, you need to also enjoy the struggle of lifting heavy shit sometimes to failure, eating well and sometimes failing lifts, sometimes even getting injured.

>>1309517
this. im engaged now and have never been happier but that doesnt mean i dont miss the hunt or going out to bars and parties with my boys knowing i could get laid. other than going to catch a game with my friends at a bar i dont even enjoy the party scene any more. kind of pointless now tbqhfam

>>1309523
> doctor, this thing hurts and makes me feel shit
> learn to enjoy every part of it

>>1309541
You knew what I meant idiot

>>1309541
confirmed for never gonna make it

>>1309544

No, I don't. You told me to learn to enjoy all aspects of something that directly causes suffering.

>>1309541
flirting with girls isn't painful you gigantic pussy. you're causing the pain for yourself with your judgments and shitty negative beliefs

>>1308346
The key element here being investing in a woman not a gold-digging whore

>Rent and bills go down because you split them with them
True. Seek someone who is competent enough to hold down employment, or failing that is frugal AND actively improving their station via education or training. NEETs and welfare scroungers be damned.

>Food costs go down by about 30% as it's cheaper to buy and cook for two. Girls have better cooking skills and will waste less food.
From experience and first-hand accounts over many years, it is my understanding that men (at least in my field) are better at cooking, while women are more capable bakers. If you as a grown man are incapable of cooking well then you are actually at a huge disadvantage in finding a good women.

>More free time because she'll do half or usually more of the laundry, washing, cleaning and cooking
True, but home-makers are timebombs for leeching and being influenced by daytimers and womyns media. Its a red flag if she does spend too much time doing housekeeping.

>Entertainment halve drop as you share the costs of music/movie/books or vidya (if she's into that)
Definitely.

>Dramatic reduction in money pissed away at pubs/clubs, bullshit social engagements that you were only attending to meet a girl anyway. Staying in becomes the best.
Too much of this and it starts to beat on your testosterone. Same goes for too much time with the missus.

>fuel savings.
True.

>>1309555
>having fun with beautiful women is suffering

lmao I can't even take it.

>>1309555
>No, I don't. You told me to learn to enjoy all aspects of something that directly causes suffering.

Okay maybe if social interaction and having a good time with cute girls causes you pain then maybe oyu really should pay women for sex for the rest of your life

>>1309563
>>1309566
You idiots, he's not saying that you suffer, he's saying that the women suffer, due to being trafficked and such.

>>1309577
>he's saying that the women suffer, due to being trafficked and such

wat

>>1309577
lel

>>1309407
Everyone pays for pussy.. Next you'll tell us it doesn't matter who sucks your dick so long as it is for free.

>>1309577

kek. No, they are right, which ass did you pull human trafficking from?

>>1309563
>>1309566

It's not fun nor a good time to me. That's my point. People aren't alike, how dare someone not have fun at this thing that's fun to me!

>>1308529
Yes.

If you want kids and think this will be a long-term thing, then maybe no (unless you both go into it with the understanding that it won't be serious/long-term).

If you don't care about/don't want kids, she seems like a decent option (from the outset, anyway). Give it a go.

>>1309588
>>1309593
>>1309594
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/legalizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking

>>1309593
but this is true

>>1309035
>unless you buy it new gold rims that make you look FUCKING RIDICULOUS you OLD fucking FAT BITCH Toyota.

kek

>>1309594
>It's not fun nor a good time to me.

because you're a self hating beta male. I'm telling you that you can change if you're willing to put in the work

>>1309541
Wow, seriously? Do you really not want to do anything with your life?

Literally everything you do has the potential to lead to some level of discomfort or pain.

Do you not drive your car because you might get in an accident?

Seriously, you're a pansy. "Enjoying the hunt" is a mindset; it's all about building confidence in yourself and hardening yourself to criticism/rejection. Once you get good at it, it no longer affects you, and that's the greatest part of it all; you can do whatever the fuck you want, and the way others react to it can just roll off your back. You're you, and you're fucking awesome, and nobody can tell you otherwise. That's the true point of the hunt, because learning to deal with rejection is the same no matter who it comes from, and knowing you can handle that rejection is a freeing feeling.

In the same way that lifting weights frees you to do things with that strength, "the hunt" teaches you important skills for building self-confidence and dealing with rejection that make you a better, stronger human.

>COPE

>>1309633
>Seriously, you're a pansy. "Enjoying the hunt" is a mindset; it's all about building confidence in yourself and hardening yourself to criticism/rejection. Once you get good at it, it no longer affects you, and that's the greatest part of it all; you can do whatever the fuck you want, and the way others react to it can just roll off your back. You're you, and you're fucking awesome, and nobody can tell you otherwise. That's the true point of the hunt, because learning to deal with rejection is the same no matter who it comes from, and knowing you can handle that rejection is a freeing feeling.

T H I S
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Life is one big struggle, everything needed to achieve success causes some form of pain or discomfort.

In order to get rich you need to spend a lot of time working when you could be playing.

In order to get rich you need to sometimes lose money, sometimes make poor decisions, sometimes waste your time on ideas that DON'T WORK OUT.

In order to be well-liked you need to also experience what it's like for people to hate you.

In order to get a beautiful gf you need to also experience rejection

>>1309633
>Seriously, you're a pansy. "Enjoying the hunt" is a mindset; it's all about building confidence in yourself and hardening yourself to criticism/rejection.

This guy gets it.

>>1309631

You're telling me to become a masochist. I can do that, but I see no point in it. Just like I could condition myself to like pony porn, but there's no point in doing so.

>>1309633

Projecting. I'm successfull otherwise. with my body, my skills and my finances.

I'm not saying I won't hunt. I'm saying I don't like it, and you guys keep repeating how it's fun to you. It's not fun to me, why do you keep trying to force it?

>>1309653
>comparing enjoying flirting with hot girls to pony porn
holy shit youre a lost cause

Why not both?

>>1309653
>I'm saying I don't like it, and you guys keep repeating how it's fun to you.

it wasn't fun for me. but I practiced, got good, and now it's one of the most enjoyable aspects of my life. I still get scared but it's a fucking rush to meet a new girl and bond with her. there's nothing like it.

>I'm successful otherwise with my body skills and finances

who gives a shit about any of that if you're alone?

>>1309653
>I'm successful otherwise

How so? How can you possibly claim to be successful when your life appears to be driven by what is less "painful"?

If you just don't like dealing with women, that's one thing. Considering the concept of building a tolerance to rejection seems more like a coping strategy with insecurities and self-doubt. "I'm not going to open myself up to the risk of rejection, because I don't like the way it feels, and I don't see the value in taking the risk."

You sound like a terribly uninteresting person, imho, and if that's the way you're leading your entire life, then you're probably not living up to your potential. Just sayin'.

>>1309653
>I'm successfull otherwise. with my body, my skills and my finances.
False. If you were rich and attractive hanging around girls would be easy mode and thered me no rejection or discomfort to it.

>>1309668
> wanting gold-diggers

What is the purpose of marriage?

To have kids.

Get a girl to have kids, have other girls on side.

>>1309673
That's how you get the girl you had kids with to leave you.

>>1309671
Its not a matter of wanting them. Its a matter of every girl using physical attraction and wealth as a metric in that order. You would literally have your pick of the litter and clearly you dont. So obviously your not that attractive and not that wealthy. And since even average guys like to flirt/pick up girls that leads me to believe your a fat piece of shit neckbeard who hates social interaction because hes a pariah to society

>>1309678
Not if you're too big to lose.

>>1309671
just sit down dude
it's time to stop making excuses and reflect on your life

>>1309693
With divorce and child support laws being what they are, "too big to lose" does not exist. They'll get half your money just for putting on a ring, and a guaranteed income for 18 years just for pushing out a brat. What's "too big to lose" about a guaranteed paycheck?

>>1309727
Then don't get married, don't have kids. Just trying to help.

>>1308774
not worth

>>1309430
epic :))))))))) :) :)
>>>/reddit/

>>1309734
>>what is common law marriage
>>contraceptives are 100% infallible

Well considering I have sex with my gf anywhere from 20-30 times more than once a month...

>>1309727
Don't forget alimony. In most states that's another additional amount calculated by taking 1/3 of the difference of your gross incomes.

>>1309787
>common law marriage
what if you have two girls you are living with one and fucking the other, which one is your common law wife then?

Common law stuff varies by country, but in the anglosphere countries like Canada it's usually the person you are living and sharing bills with.

>>1309441
>Nothing is free, especially not pussy.
yeah you need to give a good dicking in return not just slopping around with a semi flaccid white-worm.

Once you realize love doesn't exist, whores are the clear winner

Also same gf for 3 yrs? Do you know how many times I fuck her now? Almost never I want her to lose weight. Then a gf who doesn't work? Jesus fuck gotta get rid of this parasite fuck me

>>1309926
unless the one you're living with is paying rent, you're common law with the one you live with, so long as you're in what could be considered a romantic relationship.

>>1308494
>"common law" meme
one of the requisites for common law marriages in the states that even recognize them (in clapistan, if in canada apparently youre fucked) is the intent to be married

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While companionship has benefits the laws currently on the books exist to fuck men over.

I pay for it and I enjoy the variance of the women I have available to me without the extra bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERcVF7_SAHg

TFW no condom tho.

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>search hookers on backpage
>jerk off to pics
>save $200

Frugal lyfe

>>1310065
> "her fair share"
> fair

>>1310065
I'm very sorry to say this, but:
fuck canada
srsly WTF

also nice video

>>1308339
Stop being 13.

My girlfriend has a job, and I've never paid a cent for her, ever. When i offer, she tells me to fuck off.

>>1310069
>implying
>not living dangerously
>do you even #YOLO

>>1309684
Lol this

>>1308332

If you're looking for "economical" then you should jerk off for the rest of your life.
Women are meant for guys who can afford them, who can provide for wife and children.

>>1310065

That video is the epitome of infantile behavior.
Men are born providers. When a male earns enough money he seeks family life and children, it's only natural. Videogames and gadgets will not comfort you when you're old.
If everyone thinks like that guy in video then the West is doomed to extinction.

>>1310354
> I've never paid a cent for her, ever.

I don't know how long your relationship is, or how many other women that you dated prior, but you realize your GF is the exception right?

Is a prostitute really much better than just jerking off?

I feel like the point of a gf is more the emotional/intimate aspect, having someone that likes you and cares about you to spend your time with

>>1310408
>gadgets will not comfort you when you're old

You realize how much technology has changed in the past 30 years and how much it will change in the next 30?

>>1310516
> I feel like the point of a gf is more the emotional/intimate aspect

Ah the innocence of youth.

>>1310536
> gadgets will not comfort you when you're old

Neither will an ex-wife. Just ask Robin Williams.

The biggest downside with prostitutes is the fear of STDs. Unless you go to areas where it is legal then they are more likely to be clean as they are required to get checked.

>>1309562
>The key element here being investing in a woman not a gold-digging whore

Well yeah obviously. I mean I met my gf lurking around the veterinary science building at my university (I study arts) if anything I'm the gold digger.
(Then I looked up what veterinarians actually earn and got disappointed)

>cooking vs baking
My anecdotal experience mirrors yours. I hadn't baked a thing in my 6 years out of home and now there are weekly baked treats. It's the best.

>>1309664
> you're probably not living up to your potential

What do you consider living up to potential? By whose yardstick?

Say young Buffett hated investing, and went to play jazz instead. Is he not living up to his potential, even if doing so would make him miserable?

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>>1310080
'Ho, you can't get a dollar outta me,
I'm a muthafuckin' P.I.M.P.'

Even better is to fuck at least 10-20 hookers and film it secretly. Better than any porn.

Some find it off-putting, and I admit I did at first.
But over time, you will improve on the lighting and angles, and can even improve your body language and 'moves' lol.

>>1308332
I dated a model tier gf who payed for my drinks and picked me up and drove me home. She was one those girls who was kinda average but grew up to be beautiful and nice. I'n this case no.

But I compare all girls to escort cost based of their looks. $300 (aussie dolars here) per hour for average, 400 for above average and 5-600 for model tier.

So I only break even if I get to fuck an above average girl more than once if I spend $400 but I would say over four weekends of entertainment you would fuck at least 6 times which means gf is more economical.

But that does not count in the time opportunity cost spent on your girlfriend. So I would say having multiple fwb's is the most economical sex accruing method unless you earn like $200 per hour.

I swear... this whole thread, all the comments.
I love you guys.

>>1309432
>paying a woman for sex takes all the fun out of it
Literally the only guys who say this have never had amazing sex with a gorgeous, friendly, happy, sexual woman who is more sexually free and less repressed than most women.

If a woman fucked 5 guys in one night, shit, even in one week, and her social circle found out, she would be outcast as a slut, if she charged for it, she would be a whore. So why not just be a whore & get paid too?

I'm not saying it should be that way, but for most of society, that slut-shaming leads to this justification to many girls who are more sexual than the 'norm' - they repress it, under society's suppression.

>>1309555
>>1309577
>>1309604
>Le 'trafficking meme'
Don't fall for it suckers, I fell for it and went off whores for a while - the femcunts got me brainwashed, I'll admit, I took the bait - hook, line and sinker.
For an antidote to this, consider the following -

>This NYT article links directly to the author's charity, which 'raises awareness' (does nothing - google 'slacktivism') so isn't biased or anything.

Does the Jew York Times seriously call this an article? Ironically, this would be considered shilling, even under /biz/ rules!
>hey /biz/realis, I have manufactured some victims and created a charity, here's a link to my article explaining why I'm right

2) Amnesty International recently reversed it's position on prostitution, saying it should be legalized, and that empirical studies have found not one genuine testimonial of sexual trafficking. In many cases, the legislation seeks to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Girls from poor economies will seek self-employment for he highest pay.

3) Several keynote speeches by Dr. Brooke Magnanti, PhD, ex-call girl, author, and research scientist (studies paid for with sex work) calling for the legalization of prostitution. She has been consulted by UK parliament on this. Currently hookers are legal in the UK.

>>1310767

You think sex-drive goes up with age? I thought it was the opposite.

sex really only seems interesting to me as validation of being desirable, paying for it sounds so useless to me if you could just masturbate instead.

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>>1311456
Also, of anyone chimes in with 'citation needed -

From the NYT comments -

http://feministire.com/2011/10/04/swedish-police-stats-show-more-not-less-prostitution-and-trafficking/

https://feministire.com/2015/04/13/a-favourite-piece-of-research-for-swedish-model-advocates-throws-up-a-few-surprises/

Feminist charities with an agenda have been using flawed methods to cry 'trafficking' -
If Swedish girls go to the UK to work as a prostitute, because it's legal here, not there, or a Thai girl comes to the UK to earn more in one 'rub & tug' session than she would in an average night in Thailand - femcunts would find 'evidence of trafficking' - god forbid a brothel manager should network and find her a job at another brothel abroad, (for the above reasons, or just wanting to travel) the femcunts and whiteknights would paint this up as an 'international criminal human trafficking network'.

>>1311485
The sex-negative-feminist crusade against prostitution is nothing more than union labor tactics.

>>1309035
kek

>>1311449
this, hilarious lovely threads like these is why im so bored with most regular conversation

in the long run it makes me a worse person but in the short run its great fun

>>1309430
I also fuck your gf 20 times a week (I'm Italian)

>>1309939
>tfw i lose my boner half way through every time.

If you don't want to pay for restaurants nad fancy shit, then don't. You just have to wait 30 minutes until she's done being pissed.
>>but anon, she'll dump me after that
she won't if you're not a complete beta

>>1308346
implying she can cook and have a job. So the best investment is making looks secondary and looking for a hardworking girl with cooking skills.

>>1312115
> So the best investment is making looks secondary
> Lock yourself into a lifetime of meh sex, with a woman of meh looks

Then why live, anon?

>>1312131
to fullfill your perverted desires with not so good looking girls obviously and profit in the process. Having a good looking girl is good for impressing your friends. but there is more than looks when its about sex. And if you look for a hard working girl instead of a good looking one we can agree its more profitable.

>>1308346
Goddamn my gf sucks.

>>1312159
Does she suck good at least? Cause i'm willing to give you some bitcoin for a night with her.

Oddly enough the hottest woman I dated actually split costs better than every other woman I've dated.

>>1312182
Deal. Her bjs are okay, I just face fuck her til I blow.

>>1308332
im sorry but everybody missed this; youre fucking stupid if you buy shit for your girlfriend. literally a cuck.

been in an LTR for 2 years+. told gf i aint buying her shit, most im buying her is a packet of skittles. you gotta boss her around to let her know that SHES gotta work for YOU. YOU are the treasure in the relationship, not some fucking cunt who looks pretty below the age of 25.

>>1312986
> LTR

Yeah but the judge doesn't care once you say "I do".

>>1309662

>who gives a shit about any of that if you're alone?

Self-efficacy and achievement can be pretty satisfying on their own, man. Don't you get a warm feeling from just bettering yourself for you? Why cheapen it by making it totally contingent on impressing another person?

>>1313063
A successful man will never be alone.

>>1309432

> takes all the fun out of it

>Why even bother?

The physical sensation of sex is literally all that I need out of a sexual encounter to enjoy it. That's the fun part for me. I enjoy physically thrusting into an attractive young woman's vagina and mouth until orgasm. Not looking to impress anyone or get validation from it.

>>1313065

What about conventionally successful men who get divorce raped, like Johnny Depp and Hulk Hogan?

Considering their stature and subsequent terrible experiences with the fallout commitment, is it not more rational to pursue success for personal enrichment instead of wagering it on someone else who may or may not stick around it?

>>1312986
This. Anyway, cheap or free time with girlfriend is better than the expensive stuff.

When you have sex, you're not paying. Talking, you're not paying. Strolling, you're not paying.

Only restaurants, holidays and fancy stuff cost money, but that mustn't be overdone.

Spending $100 per weekend on your girlfriend is cuck as fuck.

t. Millionaire who barely shells out €30 per month for his gf

>>1308332
If all you want is sex yes.

If you want to further your bloodline however, you should aim for someone respectable with good genes.

Even if all you want is the first right now you will want to second eventually and wish someone kept your dumbass in line until you understood why the second was far more important to your life than the first.

>>1313084
That's what I mean. I was replying to the guy who stated a man will be/die alone if you he doesn't commit to some chick. Successful men don't need to commit. The women stick around on their own.

>>1313123

>wish someone kept your dumbass in line

How about self control?

Keeping a notebook with a Things to Do list in it on your nightstand is pretty effective.

>>1313128

Ah, I see. You are correct. That is the right way to look at it.

>>1308332

yeah but if you make actual (more than engineer/STEM cuck) money it isn't really the cost, more the company and that you looks cool at stuff with your gf.

>>1308332
When I met my wife i was finishing my degree and she took my ass on dates

You fools need to up your game so you can be the scrubs in the relationship

She probably dropped like 10k dating me year one , I convinced her to go on a cruise and shit .

>>1313411

That all sounds very lovely on paper, though personally I wouldn't aspire to being the girl's girlfriend

>>1309073
I heard this quote somewhere. too true

>>1309640

>Life is one big struggle, everything needed to achieve success causes some form of pain or discomfort.

Really depends what you define as success. I know for a pleb like you it probably means enjoying cookie-cutter lifestyle that society shoves down your throat since before you knew your ass from your elbow

>In order to get rich you need to spend a lot of time working when you could be playing.

Implying working hard is the only way to get rich. What about getting lucky or simply being born into wealthy family or maybe actually enjoying what you do.
>In order to be well-liked you need to also experience what it's like for people to hate you.
Well liked by whom? Your family in most cases loves you unconditionally and you never have to experience being hated to be loved by them. Whether other people like you or not is not entirely up to you no matter how good of a presentation you make for yourself so you experiencing other people's hatred makes no difference to those people's disposition towards you.
>In order to get a beautiful gf you need to also experience rejection
No, you do not. Google "arranged marriage" for starters. Or maybe you're just a natural born baller who never has to face rejection but is instead able to cherry-pick until he thinks he's satisfied with the choice made


Bullshit normie logic

>>1312986
>been in an LTR for 2 years+. told gf i aint buying her shit, most im buying her is a packet of skittles. you gotta boss her around to let her know that SHES gotta work for YOU. YOU are the treasure in the relationship, not some fucking cunt who looks pretty below the age of 25.
You sound like an absolute cunt, I highly doubt you are the treasure in the relationship, and what you're doing is basically the same thing as gold diggers and emotionally abusive women that use men.

>>1313648
The fact that you've used normie unironically automatically cancels out everything you said in this, and every other post in this thread. Remember, they're called normies for a reason, Because they're normal. You are not. You are the exception to the rule, and in this case, that is not a good thing.

>>1309941
>Once you realize love doesn't exist

This right here.

How can anybody 'love' someone who isn't a close relative ?

That person won't help you when your ill, physically disabled, depressed, etc.

I swear this whole 'love' thing is a joke.

>>1308332
>Me
>married 20 years
>Filed for Divorce
>No prenup
>Knew ex would take me to the cleaners
>I wanted out that bad

Just as a point of reference, the math came out to something like $1,300 per blowjob/fuck.

(I have no use for prostitutes but it does get one thinking)

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>>1309684

Women's idea of "average" begins...*begins*...at the 85th percentile.

Keep that in mind.

Biology, son.

>>1310408

>the West is doomed to extinction.

As we know it, yeah.

Look, humans respond to incentives and dis-incentives.

With the way things are right now socially, sexually, politically, legally, and technologically, there is no incentive for men to be that provider anymore. Women sling pussy like it's on clearance if you're hot enough and have enough social status. They can get on Tinder and fuck more men in a year than you even have in your contacts list and think nothing of it. They can have kids out of wedlock with unstable men and then have the kid paid for with taxes. Then they'll look for a "good/real man", i.e money-machine, to shack up with and bitch if they don't get one.

At the same time, being a man who follows the traditional model of school>work>married>kids>retire>die is now an extremely risky and arduous proposition. There is no stability or respect in it anymore.

Most often, the woman can end it all on whim. And other women don't seem to mind; they used to sort of police each other, but now they cheer on the destruction of the family by fellow women.

That traditional "family life and children" model is NOT natural. That kind of man has to be created through generations of cultural conditioning, and you have to give men incentives to become that man and take on this monumental task. No carrot, no jump.

What IS natural is actually the pump and dump "low investment mating strategy" that we see so much of now, and which is fully incentivized by the welfare state which, oddly enough, mostly women wanted and voted for.

Fact is, between their own make-work jobs and the welfare state that transfers the taxes of mostly men to mostly women, women are no longer directly dependent on men...which means they no longer need to choose dependable men to mate with.

The traditional model was functional only because it was embedded in a traditional culture and traditional society.

It's been over for decades.

>>1314880
Confirmed missing out on one of the best reasons to live.
Love definitely exists beyond infatuation, anon.

>>1312075
underrated

>>1314903
I'd be willing to bet that if you charted the effort men and women put in to look attractive it would follow the same path.

Essentially, dude's don't give much of a fuck. The one's that do are for the most part gay.

Women OTOH spend an insane amount of time, money and energy to get their look just right via accessories, makeup and clothes.

>>1314899
This. Young guys need to hear this.

>>1315031
women base their net worth in sex appeal so it pays to get dolled up

>>1315031

The study was based only on looks.

Women judge men based on that and more though; social status (do people like you, like being around you, and seek your approval? Do you have power over others in your hierarchy?) money (the more the better), clothes (men like pictures of naked women, while women like pictures of clothed men, maybe to judge how expensive the clothes are or something, I don't know) and yeah, looks (tall, lean, masculine face, tall, bigger than average cock, tall, wide shoulders relative to waist, tall).

So it makes sense that women would be more focused on their appearance than men are on theirs. Women are born with a precious resource: eggs and the female reproductive system. They can get by on just being. Whereas men have to *do* to have value. So women's looks are more important to their market value than men's are to theirs. This is why they "objectify" each other as often as men do. And of course, they objectify men much more so than men do them, just in more ways; financially, socially, physically, etc.

>>1315056
Not really. Either he married into a dead bedroom or was a billionaire at 1300 bucks a bj

>>1308455
This nigger knows its business!

>>1315137
>Women are born with a precious resource: eggs and the female reproductive system.

this biological argument is bullshit to humans. A 15 years old man is not fucking because a woman has eggs. He can fuck anything that moves. For the must part he just masturbates. Mostly because of a biological fact. Now woman are valued not because of their eggs. Its because they have pussies, tits, ass and looks good. Period. there is not a single biological fact in that. That makes humans far different from animals. All our sexual behaviour has a huge social component. If you study it enough you will realize one of this : or every single human is a pervert that desires parts of a body or there is not normality or a reason to fuck. By that i mean other than the will to fuck there is no ultimate reason to fuck. We dont fuck to make babies we fuck because we have this huge desire to fuck and cum. By the way this desire is bigger on man and fades slowly due hormones. And in woman sex is important but its not fundamental in a scale. Sex for men is normally the first or sencond most important thing. For woman its the third of fifth in the scale. also because hormons. Thats gives woman a huge advantage over man if they are able to control the sexual impulses. They can have power over man and even profit over that fact. Just stop playin the "egs" card its just retarded. I heard philosophers talking about that its just laughable.

>>1315190
>dead bedroom.

This. Avg once a month over 20 years. Divide that into the $350k of assets and legal fees she cost me. Comes closer to $1500 a blowjob/fuck.

I can tell you firsthand that non-consensual sex is not just for women. The final years I flat out gave up. I could barely look at her. She made some lame/surprise attempts at sex. Creepy as fuck. I "performed" to avoid conflict. I should have shut that shit down. Which I did when I handed her the papers...

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>>1315228

>this biological argument is bullshit to humans.

Human Reticence Effect. If we explain the behaviors of moths or groundhogs or sharks with biology and evolution, it's readily accepted. But humans? It's considered offensive because so many dumb cunts like to pretend we've somehow outgrown our own biology.

Get fuckin real.

> Now woman are valued not because of their eggs.

Yes they are, on a fundamental level.

>Its because they have pussies, tits, ass and looks good.

They have pussies, tits and ass and look good...so that we will want to fuck them and fertilize their eggs and make more people.

Because that is the fundamental purpose of sex.

Next you'll say some dumb cunt shit like "then why do we use contraceptives now?" But this is immaterial: our 1,000,000 year old instincts do not account for something that was invented and made widely available in only in the past few decades.

>We dont fuck to make babies we fuck because we have this huge desire to fuck and cum

Sooooo...the whole "sperm fertilizes egg, genetic recombination, zygote, fetus, baby, birth, repeat ad infinitum" is just a side effect of fucking? Really? Really?

It feels good to ensure that we'll do it, which will thereby make more genetic carbon copies of ourselves. How can anyone not understand this in this day and age?

>By the way this desire is bigger on man and fades slowly due hormones.

It's "bigger on man" (holy shit I'm dying over here as I type this) because sex is not such a risk for men as it is women. Men do not get pregnant and give birth, in case you didn't know.

And women's desire IS extremely intense...if you're hot enough.

>And in woman sex is important but its not fundamental in a scale

It's absolutely fundamental, male or female. Women are just much more selective than men.

The fundamental purpose of fucking is to make babies.

End of story.

http://thedailyindignity.com/2014/03/13/economist-prostitutes-cheaper-than-wives-over-20-years/


Shelling out $200 or more to have sex with a prostitute is an expensive way for men to get their rocks off but it’s much cheaper than getting married, an economist says.

Matthew Barnes of the University of Chicago says it’s pricier by a factor of 10 for men to get sex regularly through marriage than to hire a prostitute on a regular basis. Behind the huge gap are the long-term costs associated with marriage—mortgage, college, groceries, vacations, clothes—that don’t apply to a weekly fling with a prostitute.

“There’s more to marriage than just sex, but strictly from an economics standpoint, if the primary reason that men marry is to have a steady outlet for sex, then they’re much better off just having sex with a prostitute, says Barnes, lead author of a study that appears this month in Economics Journal.

>>1315737
Barnes and his research team compared the costs of getting and staying married for a 20-year period to 20 years of weekly sex with a prostitute at $200 a pop. Barnes says $200 is the median price for sex with a prostitute who prices her services at the midpoint of the market in the 20 largest metropolitan statistical areas in the United States. High-priced hookers and drug-addicted street walkers weren’t included in the sampling.

The result is eye-opening. For marriage, the 20-year price tag comes to $2 million, on average, 10 times more than the roughly $208,000 a man would pay over the same time period for a weekly liaison with prostitutes. “And the prostitutes don’t nag,” says Barnes, “or, if they do, you can just go to another one.”

Of course, with marriage you get a life companion, says Barnes, “someone to share your hopes and dreams and be there for you when you’re down, and you often get kids, which are another quality-of-life consideration. But we’re not looking at these larger issues; we’re just pulling out the sex function of marriage, and on that point, the economics couldn’t be clearer.”

Barnes says he’s not advocating for men to divorce their wives and find a hooker that they like, but for a man whose main motivation is just to have a regular source of sex, then he might seriously consider just going the prostitution route. “Or, better yet, get a girlfriend that you don’t have to marry and who doesn’t expect to eat at fancy restaurants every week,” says Barnes. “But the problem with girlfriends is they eventually want you to put up or shut up—that is, get married or take a hike. So, unless you can either find one that’s willing to go the distance without marriage or you’re such a charming guy that you can always have a girl on your arm by the time the weekend rolls around, you might as well go with the paid sex.”

>>1315740
/thread

>>1315737
>>1315740

>“And the prostitutes don’t nag,” says Barnes, “or, if they do, you can just go to another one.”

>"you can just go to another one.”

Aaaaand boom goes the dynamite.

When you make it clear to a business that there are alternatives to them, and that you can leave them for a competitor, this gives them an incentive to perform and keep you around. They can't deny you business and then tell the government to force you to keep paying them.

Or in the case of the Soviet Union, businesses knew they would be paid no matter what. This assurance of support resulted in a lack of competition, which in turn removed any incentive to provide quality.

But that's exactly the dynamic in marriage right now; once married, a woman doesn't need to worry about the competition and does not need to provide quality to her husband, because like the Soviet businesses, she is guaranteed to be supported no matter what. Her husband can begrudgingly stay with her and pay for her, or she can divorce him and...still pay, but now for her and her new fuckboy.

Women on average are massive cunts now because they have no reason not to be.

>>1315999

Still you need to worry if they (or anyone else) get knocked up. If DNA testing shows that you are the baby daddy, you're fucked.

Hence why, despite the appeal, I have no interest in pussy. Seriously. No homo. I've had my fill (as opposed to the young studs on this thread). Not only are the laws against us, I don't want my progeny being raised by some fucking gold digging whore.

Dudes without assets or a future, sure, knock yourselves out. Well...., honestly...., no...., I know a baby daddy who is couch surfing broke because he's paying support to some slut.

Tinder literally scares the "fuck" out of me.

>>1316092

and that's the reason why I'm one of the first one who will get a Vasal-gel injection when it is available in my country in 2017!

Search Vasalgel, the best thing that could happen to us. FINALLY it get's on the market.

for the lazy guys:
Vasal-gel is a gel injection in the spermatic duct which is so fine that all the fluids can pass except the sperm itself. tested succesfully in india for centurys (pharma is against it since it is fucking cheap and safe for years)

>>1315740
>For marriage, the 20-year price tag comes to $2 million, on average,

Sorry but what insane fucking leaps of logic has this economic study gone through to arrive at the conclusion that 20 years of marriage costs on average much more than the average person earns in a lifetime?

There must be some insane mean average distortions going on at the top, like various celebrities getting divorced hundreds of times and shit for this to make any sense.

I also think it's fucking sad here that any of you think that a hooker is any replacement for a nice girl.

Haven't you ever met a nice girl that's good to hang out with?

Girls I've met vary pretty widely, yes some of them are vapid and useless in terms of their personality, but those are the pretty perfect princesses. There's girls out there who have much better personalities and can be really cool to hang out with, it's just sad that you've all lead each other to believe that girls having cool personalities and any sense of loyalty to you are impossible.

A lot of it smells of you being defensive because you find it hard to date. Yes there are risks in marriage, but there are also proven health consequences of staying single, and a lot of the divorce statistics are heavily distorted by blacks/working class/trailer trash. If you're middle class, and marry someone who is not some genetic disaster, chances are you will actually have a happy marriage if you get on with them.

Christ the autism on here exceeds Neil deGrasse Tyson's most extreme readings sometimes.

>>1310409
Every single woman I've dated has been this way, because i don't scrape from the bottom of the barrel. I date intelligent, interesting, educated women.

But yes, I realize that this is a small percentage of women, and that most want to be treated like a princess.

My point is that if a girl expects you to pay for dinner (or anything else) on the first date. Tell her you had a good time, but wont be seeing her again.

I just see endless posts from stupid men who knew what they were getting into, but still did... then come complain on the internet about women being monsters.

>>1316109
Anon, you are a God among men. You don't state where you are but I'm in the US.

I did Google Vasalgel. Very interesting to see a viable birth control method for men.

I think my ex never encouraged me to get a snip job due to her Hyper-Catholicism (it's "birth control" and against "the church teachings" ya'know... such bullshit) and her paranoia that it was an incentive for me not to cheat (not that I ever would, see my comment about my progeny above, I'm a respectable, hardworking "family" guy, also I want to look my legit kids in the eyes, especially my daughter, and say that they don't have any random half-siblings out there.... somethinng that MY EX CAN NOT SAY... fucking cunt....no, our legit kids don't know anything about THAT... Goddamint....).
>>1316145

>Haven't you ever met a nice girl that's good to hang out with?

Yea, lasted 5 years. After a 20 year downward spiral, she fucked me and my family royally. Our legit kids too.

>Girls I've met vary pretty widely
Yea, and yet "the one" gets through.

> you being defensive because you find it hard to date
No, not the case. You are painting with a very large brush there my friend

> Yes there are risks in marriage
WHY IS THIS???

>marry someone who is not some genetic disaster
Good luck with that.

>Christ the autism on here exceeds Neil deGrasse Tyson's most extreme readings sometimes.
Dissing one of the most respected minds in modern times. Good Luck my friend.

>>1316179
> I date intelligent, interesting, educated women.

That's what I thought. My ex graduated medical school with honors. Still got fucked royally. Just sayin...

>...women being monsters
Ok, I still have some optimism in me, I won't put the onus entirely on women. Society and the law made them that way. The psychology in America is that someone is always the "victim". Now we are dealing with the fallout of that.

>>1316233
"Family Law" brings out the worst in people.

>>1316179

>I just see endless posts from stupid men who knew what they were getting into, but still did... then come complain on the internet about women being monsters.

Well, on average they kind of are, because they have no reason not to be unless they're conscious of themselves and their behavior.

Don't pretend the decent ones grow on trees, for fucks sake. And the few that are? Gresham's Law.

>>1316145

$2,000,000 did seem kind of high for an "average" to me too, but all things considered...mortgage, pointless renovations she wants, 2 cars, kids and the expenses that come with them, and of course divorce and the lawyer fees, alimony and child support, I still see how hookers would be cheaper in the long run.

No, hookers aren't replacements for nice girls. Prostitution, like Tinder hookup culture, still severs pair bonding and reproduction from the act of sex, so I still regard it as degenerative.

Young women are overvalued, young men are undervalued. So I always tell my younger friends to stay the course and don't lose hope, because eventually the shoe is on the other foot and the 30 year old woman who wants a diamond ring, a house and kids ends up competing with the 23 year old who wants to """find herself""". At that point, it's a buyers market.

But anyway, nice girls aren't exactly abundant, and the law doesn't give any incentive for women to be good to their husbands after the honeymoon phase.

It's not like women are inherently evil, they're just responding to their environmental incentives like any other mammal. And men of course are responding to the dis-incentives.

>>1316213
I'm from Austria.
A fool proof birth control for men, that is an great invention!
Just do an regular sperm test to make sure that it is still intact.

>>marry someone who is not some genetic disaster
>Good luck with that.
This, if you improved your life to some higher level, 95% of all females not worth the time.

>>1315369
>>They have pussies, tits and ass and look good...so that we will want to fuck them and fertilize their eggs and make more people.
Today i will go out fuck and not make a baby. because :
Condoms and pills. Actually thinking about babies when fucking is a turn off. I just enjoy those nice titties and pussy. You are really trying too hard to force animal evolution into culture and a sexuality that only touches the nature in humans. Humans have such a complex sexuality that we can cum without ever touching our sexual organ. Teens cum just dreaming about it. What about people without the sexual organ ? they can cum too we have such a crazy sexuality we can learn how to sexualize other parts of the body. Its not about eggs enymore dude we passed that evolutionary state.

>>1315737
>>1315740
>>1315828
>>1315999
You gullible fucks there is no Matthew Barnes at University of Chicago, and really? Economics Journal? They could not have tried less.

>Barnes says he’s not advocating for men to divorce their wives and find a hooker that they like, but for a man whose main motivation is just to have a regular source of sex, then he might seriously consider just going the prostitution route.
This is true regardless. People don't get married to get laid, I don't know why you people can't get this through your head. Whenever I see you /r9k/ fucks whinging about how bad marriage is, I never see people talk about the wife not caring, not being emotionally supportive, not having an interest in you, no, it's always 'when you get married the sex goes to 0'. Anyone who gets married for sex is an idiot who deserves to have their wallet raped.

If your girlfriend has a fucking job and can support herself, your numbers change quite a bit.

Instead of costing you money, living with her cuts all your bills in half an saves you money.

Honestly, I'm surprised at the lack of frogposting on this thread, is almost as if we were on /r9k/. Well, this is 4chan after all.

Now, on topic:

http://healthresearchfunding.org/married-men-live-longer-single-men/
>Married men certainly have a much higher standard of living compared to men who are not married.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/027795369290259S
>Mortality rates are lower for married individuals than they are for unmarried individuals, and marriage seems to be even more beneficial to men than women in this regard.

How much do you value one year of your life?

>>1308332
As cheesy as it sounds, it is true: a worthwhile girlfriend will bring more to the table than just money. She also soaks up more time than a prostitute, so there's that too.

>>1316856
They live longer because of lifestyle choices, not because they are married.

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>>1316994
>Marriage isn't a lifestyle.

>>1317007
I guess it is, but what i referred to was things like eating healthy, exercising, visiting doctors more often, etc.

you can do that unmarried

>>1316856
> Mixing up correlation and causation.

Women are attracted to thriving and healthy men, and as a result more of these men end up in the "married" population than the control group. This then reflects in life expectancy, lower disease rates, etc for men in the married group.

Getting married doesn't magically make the guy healthier.

comparing a loving gf to a hooker is fuking ridiculous its like comparing a greasy kebab to a filet mignon.

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>>1308332

> 196 replies

Jesus, how are we still discussing this?

I know the board is mostly acne ridden faggots who rarely see sunlight, but I also know there are some smart, respected, and outgoing people on this board. Are we really debating whether fulfilling sexual needs via a prostitute is more advantageous than a GF or wife?

A GF/wife is one of the best things a man can do with his life. That is IF, and ONLY IF he finds a truly good woman, who loves him for who he is and is 100% loyal. The problem is, that this situation is a rarity, perhaps now more than ever in history. So my advice, (A) fucking prostitutes is soulless and your mind knows the difference and (B) keep up the search for a good woman for as long as it takes, and if you don't ever find her, then don't ever get married. Nothing worse than marrying a woman because, "oh, uh, well this was the best I could do..."

>>1308529
I hate you son

>>1308529

Can't you just science a baby?

>>1316702
And when you get her pregnant,
And you will, she will want to become a housewife,
So you will work to pay for her and a kid, and your life too.

3 x lives to support on 1 x paycheck.
The economics don't work.
And she will have all day to spend watching the home shopping channels and spending more.
Which she will.

She can also refuse to clean the house because she's tired (try that with your boss) and sleep in whenever she wants. She can also refuse sex for any reason, for days, weeks, or months.

Don’t want those new curtains?
Look forward to no sex as a punishment.

Like forward to your wife getting less attractive and fat and old, while I have 'soulless' sex with teenage girls, despite being 40+

>I get older
>my sex partners never do
>only singles can know this life, married cucks never will

>>1317211
Implying you know how many cocksucker have been in your wife in her 'finding herself' years.
Protip - you will never know.
She will discuss maybe 10-20% of it.

I once dated a 'nice christian girl' - I fingered her in a bar once, I didn't ask, I just did it. You think she's telling her new husband that?
Nope.jpg

I also tongued and groped a 19-year old with a fiance. You think she's gonna share that?
Nope.jpg

A FB friend is married to some chick. She has just pics of herself on her profile. He has proud pics of his new family - her & their kid. I have proud pics of her too - begging for cum in her mouth from me and a co-worker at the time when we doubled down on her. She was hot then. I guarantee you her new guy is getting vanilla sex in missionary, not that kinda sex. Truth is, she got sick of working for a living when she was a teenager, so just got wifed up so she could get fat.

Another guy I know - lived with GF for five years, sometimes he has droughts of no sex for months, finally she decides she's a lesbian and ups and leaves with new GF. Guy is devastated and confused. more socially retarded now because out of the game for 5 years.

>>1317680

Jesus Christ.

See, this is why people want to marry anime characters.

>>1317680
>I have 'soulless' sex with teenage girls, despite being 40+

Yeah this doesn't happen

>>1317294
> That is IF, and ONLY IF he finds a truly good woman, who loves him for who he is and is 100% loyal.

Good fucking luck on that one mate.
Srsly....

>>1317700
It does if you have money.

>>1309633
a) Putting lots of effort, time, money, weightlifting and gym effort, years of frustration and rejection to finally after years of training "game" you archive that once every two or three months get some ugly drunken used up slut in some shady dirty night club for 3-4 years until you are too old to go to those sites, your muscles disappear and all of this shit becomes fucking useless anyway. You also have to waste your weekends sleeping bad and wasting most of those nights. If you are "lucky" one of those used up whores will end as your girlfriend and then your wife, draining all your money and time for yourself in the process.

b) You live your life, use your time to learn new things, read good books, listen to good music, pursue the things you really like, work in projects and archive amazing things. When you feel sexually frustrated you just spend 200$ to fuck an exotic girl that is way more attractive that any girl you can get on those clubs. You have sex regularly with very good looking girls, without the problems, frustration, massive money and time loss associated with women. You just spend 200$ and one hour whenever you want and you just get pussy and you can get on with your life.

/R9k/ is leaking

>>1317797
>implying I don't do both

Those two aren't mutually exclusive. People are multi talented and some of us just happen to be attractive and smart, so things just come easy to us. Sorry you're not a 6'4" Nordic God with a high iq and high drive; good luck with your intellectual pursuits or whatever the fuck you're promoting; I'll just enjoy having it all.

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>>1317018
>>1317022
Not a single paper have suggested marriage is a direct causation to increased life expectancy. In fact, most of the papers agree on something: the more likely reason for the increase on health quality is because by begin around another person made that one partners plays a care/control role in the relationship, so the other partner is more likely to watch his/her own behaviour and keep healthy. Do you remember that scene with JJ Jameson on the spiderman films when his secretary is remembering him to take his pills to control his bloody pressure? ("Not that one... bzzzz... don't forget the water") Yeah, married people tend to have a dynamic where one guy with poor health behaviours is being watched by another person who's worried about him/her. Usually, not always, is the female who plays the one who watches the health, hence is usually the male who benefits the more from this dynamic.

Also, it have been found that single people is more likely to engage in non-healthy behaviours, like drinking too much, drugs, and such, which eventually takes a toll on the body. Just think about it, how often do you heard "what's the point on being single if you don't party hard every day?". Mind you, this thread is promoting to remain single so you can have more sex with hookers, sky rocketing the chances to catch a STD disease so high, you literally become non-eligible to donate blood. Fucking hookers is as bad for your health as having serious permanent diseases like hepatitis or AIDS.

Really, guys, from a health scientific perspective, remaining single and fucking hookers is one of the most idiotic suggestions I ever heard. There's no price on your health, so even from an economics perspective, is frankly stupid.

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>>1317211
>MFW your filet mignon turns into the greasy kabob that she truly is.

>>1317893
>from a health scientific perspective....

After blowing the last 10+ years trying to keep my marriage and family together and keeping my youngest kid from committing suicide due to a psychotic wife, I've pondered whether my stress levels were the equivalent of a bottle of Scotch and smoking 2 packs a day, taking years off my life...

The interesting thing is that if I had to do it all over again, I probably would. My kids (college age now) are epic.

>>1317680
And see this is why you guys will never be in a stable relationship. You assume that if a women is trying to get with you it just HAS to be a plan to steal all of your assets or to trap you into giving her everything she wants. I dunno, that MAY be the case for you, but it's not for average, normal, people.

>>1317680
Just because she's slept around doesn't mean she can't be loving. Given the content of the entire post I highly doubt what you say is true.

>>1318208
> Le stable relationship meme

>>1318208

That's exactly it, it's the new normal. That 50% divorce rate didn't come out of nothing.

Like other anons said, marriage is not worth it unless you find the unicorn. Lots of men settle with less, and then get divorce-raped.

Have you read "The misandry bubble"? It goes exactly into this, women's behavior turning men off, which in turn has huge economic consequences, already visible in Japan with the herbivore men causing stagnation. When all those expensive restaurants and gifts in hunt of pussy don't happen, men work less, and what do you know, it turns out most of the local economy was actually just because of pussy.

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>>1308332

Prostitute:
1 visit * $200 = $200

GF:
4 weekends of entertainment * $100 = $400

Wife + Family:
Lifetime of happiness. Pic related.

>>1318208
>Just because she's slept around doesn't mean she can't be loving.
yes, it does. a normal woman, or at least one worth marrying, doesn't find the need to sleep around. there is always something wrong with promiscuous women and sleeping around is nothing but a way to validate themselves.

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>>1312075

>sex once in four weeks of dating
When I'm seeing somebody please believe she's taking dick at least twice a day. And there's no time limit or std worry.

Working girls accept TrumpCoin, when?

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>>1316690
If being caring, offering emotional support, splitting the bills, etc is what mattered, then just get a roommate.
Why did Joey & Chandler split up?
Oh, that's right, because they don't suck dick.

>>1316702
...said a single person who has never been married yesterday.

Get married, then wait 5+ years, come back here, tell us how that plan is working out for ya.

>>1318505
never they accept drugs tho.

>>1318567
how about not get married?

>>1318573
enjoy your common law marriage

>>1318573
>>1318580
>common law marriage

Just know the rules and you will do fine.... Separate residences, don't co-mingle finances, don't get her knocked up. There's more but that's the start.

Knowing what I know now, I'd *never* get into a serious relationship without privately consulting a lawyer. No. Fucking. Joke.

Funny how the one and only goal here... all that angst.... all that time, money, energy, the drama, the emotional toll.... IS TO GET PUSSY and maybe enjoy that honeymoon period regardless how brief it is.

>>1318455
That was my family 10-15 years ago. I miss those days. Enjoy it while you have it. Hopefully you will go the distance.

Seek help (privately on your own) if something doesn't seem right. If you are forced into a position to seek real marriage counseling, make sure you've used up all your private options to fix things on your own. Once the Marriage Counseling Genie is out of the bottle there's no putting them back and the wife will start having doubts about the future. I sincerely wish you luck anon.

Kike

>>1317768

It does exist.

Rare in the west though.

>>1317700
It does happen.
It happens to me.
Because I pay for it.

>>1317797
>>1317886
In a nutshell, I think what the first anon was saying, and I tend to agree,
Is that you can calculate it any way you want,
But nobody can accurately predict or calculate...
THE OPPORTUNITY COST.

Not just the opportunity cost of marriage, kids, etc, but simply just spending time with a girl.

If she's not sucking you off, you have to listen to her inane conversation. You'll have a business idea but you will get sidetracked and find yourself in Ikea looking at sofa cushion fabrics, or buying her a birthday present, or texting her back for the millionth time. It will drain time, energy, and focus.
And the emotional rollercoaster can literally inhibit your IQ.

One of my favorite quotes is -

'focusing on women never leads to more money,
But focusing on money usually leads to more women'

>>1308774
>free sex


"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""free"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>1318208
I didn't say it was necessarily a conscious 'plan' - it's subconscious, it's insidious, it's a natural instinct for women to nest. And shop.

>average, normal people
You wanna know about averages?
Because I study social psychology, and how it applies to marketing, because it’s relevant to my income and profits.

You want the 'normal, average'? Okay, Mr. Average has a GF or wife that controls 70-80% of the purchasing power in a relationship.
Look at the commercials on TV, the papers, magazines, supplements, etc - most of it is aimed at women, because women are an easy sell, and more tribal / conformist than men.
Men will scrutinize something and debate it, whereas women will jump on the bandwagon to fit in.
That's why LuluLemon yoga pants / Ugg Boots / Starbucks cup was like a uniform two years ago.
You rarely see that kind of fad with guys.
Men are more individual and habit-forming, most will happily wear the same shoes or shirt for years.
Women always want another pair of shoes or a blouse or some shit.
It's not a plan - it's a habit, women are parasitic by nature and have 'Shiny Thing Syndrome'.

>given the content I highly doubt what you say is true

>Costanza.jpg
What part seemed untrue?
I'm not saying she can't be loving, I think you missed the point. I'm saying women's sexuality is like a bank vault - most won't tell you what really gets them off, or got them off before - you have to be like some safecracker figuring it out, and one false move, and the alarms go off.

Example -
>you suggest a threesome with her GF
>she likes the idea
>'I tried that once / fantasized about it, sure anon'
>she doesn't like it
>'jesus, anon, are you serious? WTF? You want to fuck Becky instead of me? You're disgusting, etc etc'
>you sleep alone tonight, maybe all week

Every alpha who didn't really give a fuck, got animal sex the way they wanted it, and regular BF's or husbands get 'vanilla sex'

>>1317294

Oh, it's that easy, just find a 'truly good woman' - should I give her a psychometric test first?
Are you implying that past behaviour is a reliable indicator of future behaviour?
Because there are countless stories of divorces ending after 10 years+, so things change.

>fucking prostitutes is soulless and your mind knows the difference

Well, my mind is less involved in this decision than my dick is, and my dick doesn't know the difference, all it knows it it likes teenage Thai pussy the most, because it's a nice, tight fit.

Also, you say 'soul' as if it is a real thing, instead of just a word that psychologists, philosophers and theologians have debated and tried to define or prove or disprove for aeons.

Perhaps I'm soulless.
Perhaps I believe it is just a concept, as some do.

>>1308494
Did you get cheated on anon?

>>1319095
Well, I wouldn't say cheated on as such, more that I got cucked a few times and was a 'beta orbiter' of more girls than is healthy, and got dicked around by too many, and fucked like 3 girls on rare one night stands, who had men already dating / fucking them, which I would have appreciated knowing about, I felt like a scumbag, I was trying to be 'the guy' not 'the other guy'.
After that, I saw and heard too much (the surprise benefit of being a trusted beta orbiter who gets into the inner circle and hears some of the sex talk that gets edited out of most girls conversation) and too much 'bro' talk about guys cheating on their GF's they should be grateful for putting up with their bullshit.

I'm all for open relationships, fuck buddies, whatever, but allergies should know what's going on.
To be fair, I was probably naive or out of touch, because I technically didn’t 'qualify' my first couple of girlfriends. I didn't get the memo that you have to officially declare you are single and not currently seeing/fucking someone and this is exclusive.

One time, I'm sitting with this chick and three other dudes and she just straight up tells me she's fucking another guy behind her boyfriend's back, but it's okay because she only did it when she found out her boyfriend is cheating on her.

And this is a week after she already was banging some other guy I know, but she called off their FB gig because he was fucking another girl (on top of his GF, which both knew about) and that girl had a kinds FB and a kinda boyfriend but in another country.
Are you even following this?

I stopped giving a shit after that, and probably grew bitter, but my next GF was really jealous and suspicious and bitchy so I just started fucking hookers. The first couple times I genuinely thought we had broke up, then I just carried on because fuck her, that's why.

I read up on PUA, got refilled, got more game & more pussy.
Still love paying for it though XD

not being a filthy animal and not succumbing to lust is more economical than both

>>1319426
Living a pleasureless life and dying beside a large pile of unspent money is most economical of all.

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yes, you can fug a different chick evert week.

Chocolate Saturdays.

>>1319337
Not to sound beta or anything, but why are girls/women so fucked up ?

I know guys are shit/bad too, but not socializing with a 'decent' slighty unselfish girl (in 4 years) just sucks.

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>>1312075

>>1308332
>fuckbuddies cost nothing

>>1319879

They'll cost a fair amount if you get them pregnant.

Escorts use BC.

>>1319337
*allergies
All parties
*refilled
Redpilled

>>1319521
I love chocolate XD
Moar?

>>1312075
Lost
Totally underrated post

>>1318803
well i'm not spending a dime on her.
she used to support me when i was still neet she already worked i kept house. but now we both work. we don't do presents either because it's retarded. if any of us pay somewhere we keep the block and split the costs monthly.

so yeah you need to sacrifice things in a relationship but not money. in fact it's worth it for me not to live alone rent costs less food costs less because she cooks sometimes.

>>1308332
OUT MONTHLY:
>Rent $1335
>Internet $100 (unlmimted not capped plan)
>Netflix $10
>Power $30
>Buy gf starbucks shit like that $200

IN MONTHLY:
>GF pays $500 for rent
>Sex at least once a week.
>Barely cooks. Maybe twice a month (isn't good).
>Pretty much doesn't do anything around the house. Been cleaning lately because she wants to quit her job and stay home LOL.
>Nags all the time. Always moody. Aggressive.
>Calls me a piece of shit passively daily. Bad mouths me to her family and friends.
>Cats meow and shit/puke everywhere

You tell me anon.

>>1308332
i spend about 50$ a week on my girlfriend. holidays I spend about 100$. but if all you want is pussy there are plenty of girls in the world who are looking for strictly sexual relationships and would be much more morally sound than dating a girl whos looking for something serious when you arent.

>in a happy relationship with a girl im head over heels for and her feelings are reciprocated.

No. Having a gf means she can wear whatever the fuck turns you on 24/7 and you can slam your face into that ass/tits. How much is that worth in money?

And you can do it any time you want, unless you're a cuck and have shitty GF that blocks you when you try it.

>>1321569
god damn nigga get the fuck out of that relationship

nothing wrong with a housewife but 2 full meals a day + daily bj/sex + spotless house + protects your image to friends and family is the bare minimum if you are paying all her bills. When you have kids you can cut her some slack

>>1316179
This, most guys are fucking retards when it comes to women
>Ugh, all the women I know are parasitic bio cunts, reee
THEN WHY DO YOU LET THEM INTO YOUR CIRCLE???

>>1323575
> just choose better women

You say that as if they exist. Good women are as rare as unicorns, you may not find a single one in a big city.

>>1323789
So pick one up from a third world country meeting them via interpals and woo them, you unsavvy poor little fruitbowl

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>>1314899
>>Just as a point of reference, the math came out to something like $1,300 per blowjob/fuck.
I'm seriously impressed this nigga did the math on this.

>>1323801

Unlike you, I've actually been on interpals. 99% of them are greencard-golddiggers, which isn't much of an improvement over a local golddigger.

>>1316333

>condoms and pills

What "things our instincts don't account for?"

you stupid cunt.

We have not passed any evolutionary state and never will.

>>1316856

> is almost as if we were on /r9k/

It's almost as if the sentiments you see on /r9k/ are actually how a lot of men feel.

But keep telling yourself that only some malcontents on an image board ever get tired of women's bullshit.

It's nothing new.

>>1318208

>You assume that if a women is trying to get with you it just HAS to be a plan to steal all of your assets or to trap you into giving her everything she wants

Because, with the laws and culture arrayed as they are for women's every short term benefit, that is a very likely scenario.

How is it wrong to test and determine a woman's mate-worthiness? How? Why are you trying to convince us that our preferences and needs should not matter?

The fact is, as I said earlier, women's most destructive instincts are incentivized now. It's not necessarily that they are inherently pieces of shit, it's just that they are responding to incentives as living sentient beings are wont to do.

>>1321569

Get the fuck rid of her.

Now.

What throws me into a rage isn't the fuckin Starbucks or the fact that she doesn't contribute nearly as much as she consumes, it's the un-fuckin-mitigated gall to slander and libel and nag you on top of it all.

God fucking damn...these cunts don't understand how easy they have it. I can't remember the last time in my adult life (30 y/o)I got a free anything.

And I NEVER got a free anything and then shit talked the person I got it from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PauvVc5Rvpc

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>>1308346
live in Imoutos give you similar experiences. >>1309035
>>1312075
lulz were had

>>1309387
I actually think that between my phone and computer screen I've got something like a sunburn on my lips.

>>1309441
a good 50% of people actually think sex in and of itself is a good thing requiring no additional exchange rates or interest claims.

>>1318448
we knew this. It is a prime motivator.
>>1318711
another benefit of the Imouto, no common law marriage.

>>1321569
You need to strengthen your pimp hand anon.

>>1324258
Shiro is a miracle of the universe.

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>>1324308
She is likely a miracle of All Creation. I believe this universe is indescribably too small.

>>1308346
This man is a prophet.
Truer words have never been spoken.

>>1318448
The 50% divorce rate doesn't apply to college-educated males, which I would imagine we all are here, who have a divorce rate of less than 30%.
>Lots of men settle with less, and then get divorce-raped.
That doesn't mean you should never get married, even if you want to. You said it yourself, it's their own stupidity that leads to divorce. You're not stupid, are you anon?
I'm not going to bother with the rest of this post for thinking Japan and the west are comparable.

>>1318463
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here (which is my fault). A lot of the people on this board, and the one they come from seem to think that someone who isn't' a virgin has 'slept around'. That's the definition I was using (well I was thinking more of 2-3 a year, but not you know, 2+ a week). You're right that those levels of promiscuity are huge red flags, but not for the reason you posted.

>>1318799
>If she's not sucking you off, you have to listen to her inane conversation. You'll have a business idea but you will get sidetracked and find yourself in Ikea looking at sofa cushion fabrics, or buying her a birthday present, or texting her back for the millionth time. It will drain time, energy, and focus.
And the emotional rollercoaster can literally inhibit your IQ.
Here's an idea, don't date women that offer you nothing intellectually.

>>1318857
>I didn't say it was necessarily a conscious 'plan' - it's subconscious, it's insidious, it's a natural instinct for women to nest. And shop.
No, it is not in a woman's DNA to fuck over men. That serves no biological purpose.

>You want the 'normal, average'? Okay, Mr. Average has a GF or wife that controls 70-80% of the purchasing power in a relationship.
Source.

I don't get this gf is expenive meme.
She buys her own movie tickets, food, etc.
Why should I pay for it if we're both students? Is this an american thing?

>>1308332
How about you stop looking at a girlfriend to only have sex with and instead find someone that you actually enjoy being around. Asshat

>>1318857

>Men will scrutinize something and debate it, whereas women will jump on the bandwagon to fit in.
That's why LuluLemon yoga pants / Ugg Boots / Starbucks cup was like a uniform two years ago.
You rarely see that kind of fad with guys.
For girls that are below the age of 23.

>What part seemed untrue?
Alphas don't think women are out to get them, because they aren't.

Rest of the post is opinions are things that aren't end all be all.

>>1319337
So I was right.

>>1321569
Here's another idea, for what is apparently one of the most idiotic boards on 4chan, don't date a girl that's a massive pain in the ass, not worth the effort, or who you don't connect with.

>>1323789
This is not at all true, unless you're boring and smell.

>>1324066
It's not at all. I see people talking about white genocide on every fucking board, even /n/, but nobody in the real world cares.

>>1324118
>Because, with the laws and culture arrayed as they are for women's every short term benefit, that is a very likely scenario.
Laws, yes. However, despite what you may belief, the average person, and yes, that includes women that aren't bimbos, have morals. Culture is most definitely not on their side, despite what a few whales on tumblr had to say.

>How is it wrong to test and determine a woman's mate-worthiness? How? Why are you trying to convince us that our preferences and needs should not matter?
What are you talking about?
>The fact is, as I said earlier, women's most destructive instincts are incentivized now. It's not necessarily that they are inherently pieces of shit, it's just that they are responding to incentives as living sentient beings are wont to do.
In some cases yes, but not in all, or even the majority.

>God fucking damn...these cunts don't understand how easy they have it. I can't remember the last time in my adult life (30 y/o)I got a free anything.
Sounds like you're a little jealous.

>>1324402
It's a beta thing.

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>>1324312
>tfw cliffhanger season

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