What is the best time for /biz/nessmen to move out?

28-32. Depends on what is your most monetizeable course of action however.

>>1145762
>30

Isn't that kind of too old?

It would be a little surprising for parents not to make you pay for your own shit or move out at least when you're working a full time job.

After high school

>>1145852
How can they afford it?

>>1145757

18.

Its not about what's financially prudent. Its about living life to the max by enjoying the freedom of having your own place.

Ofcourse this requires you live in a socialist country where the government is willing to pay for your livelihood as long as you are a student.

>>1145929
But is the freedom a meme?

A lot of conflicting opinions on biz. Some seem to think as soon as possible and some, as late as possible.

>>1145757
Depends where you live. In the US there is a great push for you to move out after highschool. I have a ton of friends that live in Europe though and they almost never move out until their mid 20s to late 20s.

>>1145938

For me the freedom is very real. My parents live in the countryside far away from the city, so going to parties and such would be a huge pain in the ass. Also I have certain habits my parents would not agree with, that I can now indulge freely.

>>1145939

I'm from the Netherlands and here its expected that you move out after high school too, at least if you intend to go to university.
People who don't go to university will usually wait till they can afford their own home.

>>1145948
But how do you afford it? Don't you feel bad spending so much money you could be saving living at home?

Also what habits? Drugs are bad for you.

A true /biz/nessman realizes that moving out without there being a solid income opportunity just leads to you hemorrhaging more money for the sake of looking "mature" for others.

Leech until you die

>>1145960

Socialist government student loans. I don't feel bad because I feel its truly worth the money. I don't think i'd be better of by saving up money but not enjoying my young years as much as I can. Also I'm in a situation where its expected of me that I live on my own. It would be considered very strange if I didn't.

Smoke weed erryday

>>1145962
Although it makes sense financially, this perspective(>>1145965) seems important too. What good is money if you can't spend a little of it in your youth?


>>1145965
Makes sense.

Moving out and becoming a easy target for people who want cheap labor and a debt slave is a narrative pushed by the very people who will benefit from it.

Building a home with your parents that you will live in help keep up and set your own rules with as an adult will be far better for your pocket book. Don't move out unless you have real problems with your folks, or there is a real opportunity to make money.
But if you want to move out and live life and don't care about financial security then go for it.

>>1145998
Is it even that bad financially?

It's ridiculously cheap with roommates in most cities and I'd reckon it could help a lot of ambition-less people earn more money to compensate anyway.

>>1145967
what's your major?

>>1145965
fuck, what's your major

Well?

Bumo

I'm not extremely social, but if I were I'd move out. As is I don't care much so living in my own confers little benefit

Well, /r9k/?

>>1145769
You can live with them and pay for shit, but unless they are paying a mortgage there's no point in renting. The only time it's actually fruitful to move out if when your parents are shit with money but still require you pay mortgage, because then you're just pissing into the ocean.

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>>1145757
>Move out directly after high school.
>Then go to some university that no has ever heard of and has never in come close to ranking anywhere.
>Have your parents pay your tuition, rent, groceries, laundry, while you spend your summers minimum wage pay on bar shots and cheap pitchers.
>Graduate with a 2.0, no major, and an "only on weekends" cocaine addiction.
>Become junior manager at your dad's used car dealership
>Knock up that "hot chick" that waits at Denny's

>>1145929
>Its about living life to the max by enjoying the freedom of having your own place.

so you moved out to enjoy the freedom of shitposting on 4chan?
well.. I am starting to see the benefits now

>>1145939
North Europe.
moved out at 28.
no problems with folks. Last 2 years used the place mainly only to sleep, since I am away all the time.

>>1148389

american dream baby

I moved out when I was 19, I'm 21 now. I'm honestly doing better than when I lived with my parents.

Moved out at 18 too, current undergrad at top 10 public in US applying to med school next year. Helps that I grew up poor because I pay nothing for tuition and get aid to pay rent. Live comfortably with 3 roommates, not a big deal since we'll tag team a bitch anyway. Eat well since I have a job. Also currently saving to invest.

Yeah I lost out on saving more money by staying home, but what is a few thousand in comparison to what I'll be earning as a physician? I traded in that money for invaluable life experience. Then again people on here already have a career but are still at home in order to save a good amount. It just depends on your situation.

>>1148611
What do you do?

>>1148611
Give us more details fampai

>26
>parents get a bigger house and invite me to move back in with them
>say I'll think about it
>Dad tells me how much money I'll save in rent, and will have a floor to myself

I think my parents are just bored empty nesters. The average house here costs over 400k, so ownership isn't a possibility for another decade and rent ads up.

The whole move out when you're 18 made sense when families were larger and houses were smaller. The average parents then had 3+ kids in a 1500sqft house, now it's 2 kids in a 3000sqft house, and real estate prices are higher while wages are lower.

>>1148998
I would move back in and save cash. It doesn't hurt to spend time with your parents either considering they will be around a hell of a lot longer than some of your friends.

>>1145948
>>1145965
You are the prime example of why I don't want Bernie sanders for president. I should screen cap these posts and spam reddit.

>>1149097
Bernie's long gone senpai.

It's Hillary vs Trump

>>1145757
As soon as you can afford it and have some money saved up for all the fucking hell life throws at you.

>TFW mother forces me to go to college in exchange for shelter
>I am doing phenomenal at work
>just withdrew from a course to work more after bombing my chem exam

I will be somebody. Its a long way but its easy to climb the corporate ladder if you just fucking try and sweat everyday. Don't go to bed until you've had some reflective thoughts. You can improve anything and everything you want, if you simply try. Reading books on materials that actually interest you helps. My goal is to be an assistant manager. I've been with my company for a year and I'm two promotions away from it. Long term goal is DM or higher. As far as I can go.

You don't become a adult until you are independant.
Its pretty rare for people to become independant before 23, even if they finished certification for a full time trade by like 19.
So like, they have normal wages at like 19, but most of them practically lives at parents house a lot of the year, even if they rent somewhere else.

>>1145852
This is objectively correct. Anyone who didn't do this is a failure.

>>1145897
By living in a dorm (lol) or off-campus apartment/house after getting a scholarship to college. You should not need a minimum wage gig on the side, instead you should be getting paid internships in your field every summer (or you majored in the wrong thing/didn't do well enough) to sustain you. You should have a job lined up before you graduate, at which point you obviously move into a house or apartment close to it.

Do not fall for the "live with your parents and save money" meme.

>>1149127
I've already fallen for this meme.

Why the fuck does everyone on pol and here say that's what you should do

I'm making 27/hr and still live with my parents at 20 y/o

hoping to save a few years for a nice down payment, figure out how many of my friends want to live with me (they all make 100k+) and buy a house with the appropriate amount of bed rooms (maybe 3 or 4, minimum two)

>>1149136
HOW

>>1149137
22 making $22.5/hr living with parents here

close to $30k in the bank and another $10k in a p2p lending account.

It's not that hard if you aren't a scrub, also if you're given a pity job by your dads boss

You move out a soon as you finish high school and house-share. You learn to compromise and negotiate. You learn the value of work and money. You learn how to open accounts with utilities and banks. You learn how to save the hard way (by not and being broke). You learn financial stress and how shitty it truly is.
Most importantly, you learn how to by a fully independent adult and functioning member of society. Anything else and you're an abject failure of a grown human and I don't believe you should be allowed to label yourself an "adult".

>>1149127
>>1149128
Well?

>>1149148
I am 20 years old and my parents are holding me back tbqh. Should I move out?

It's scary out there.

>>1149201

It stops being scary very quickly, we're a very adaptable species. What it is though, is hard. It's hard work and not as comfy as letting mommy and daddy keep you safe in your little hugbox world.
It's also freedom. Freedom do pretty much whatever the fuck you want, when you want and how you want.

>>1149215
I dont even have a job or a clue on how to live on my own senpai.

How the fuck should I do this?

Is it even possible to pay for College while living/working on your own? Seems nearly impossible to put in enough hours min wage to afford it.

moved out at 22, my dad moved out at 13 (because parents left to live in fiji)

i don't think it really matters, some people stay at home with their parents to milk their money situation and/or are just not responsible enough to clean up after themselves etc

i don't think there is a set age, it's more when you feel that you're ready.

>>1145757
Immediately.
>tfw 23 and still live with parents and still in uni

>>1150972
Know feel

>TFW wish u moved out ages ago

It only gets harder the older and more accustomed you get tbqh

>>1149127
>>1149128
How exactly does removing multiple sources of money wastage constitute a meme - I'm super curious

>>1151558
I'm thinking this must be an american thing.

If you're practically anywhere else, there's next to no reason why you can't pursue internships, work a part-time job, **and** live at home.

>>1148634
You'll fit right in as a surgeon

>>1145852

>Endure poverty and lose most of your income to housing and other costs for no other reason than to prove that you've "made it".

Absolutely retarded.

>>1149128
Because it's unlikely you already live near the top companies in your field, unless your parents work and live near the top companies in their field and you're going into the same field in which case you'll be fine because of the nepotism.

But for the rest of us, staying at home means working in a mediocre company. I moved across the country to work at a household name for six figures right out of college. Even with all the living expenses I have to pay that I wouldn't have to pay if I lived home with my parents, I come out way ahead because the salary is so much higher than I could have ever hoped to make living with my parents.

>>1149217
Like I said in >>1149127, you shouldn't be doing it on minimum wage. You should have enough scholarships for the first year, and thereafter you should be getting high quality paid internships each summer to pay for your subsequent years. My first internship paid $6000/mo and I was a loner with no connections. It's possible to perform well enough in college to get a good job and live on your own.

Don't go to college unless you're going to work hard in a competitive major. And if you are, moving out will be easy and necessary.

>>1152416
wats ur major m8

You know when you can make the monthly payments on a somewhat nice place to live hear you. For ex... if the rent is 750 a month, then you know you can make it if you can cover rent and some modest food expenditures.

Basically, how much do you make a month at your current job.

A few other things:

Make sure that you have good transportation (city bus or car) to and from work. Saving is going to be long and painstaking.

Make sure you get rid of extra shit that will make it hard to move. You also need to be able to pay for moving costs.

That's about it. Make sure you can afford car insurance+rent+health insurance+food+internet and you're good to go.