Majors Thread

>>1139767
Some of the schools that I'm applying to (Georgetown, Wake Forest, University of Richmond) don't have engineering schools, but instead have this 3-2 program...so maybe that would be worth pursuing.

>compsci
>mid tier
>currently making 100K a year.

I realize the rational for this is because it also includes tech support guys but fuck does that image make me angry.

Also STEM is fucking awesome. Get internships.

>>1139762
Can we split business studies up into accounting/marketing/finance etc?

Accounting is a ridiculously broad field in itself that could be broken down further to taxation (which can be broken down even FURTHER), management accounting, financial reporting, business services, consolidations...

>>1139767
IMO the point of liberal arts education is moot if you are naturally interested gathering information and learning. The same can be said for STEM, but outside of programming the degree matters at the entry level.

STEM gives you proven skills(through that piece of paper) in data analysis, critical thinking, and problem solving. Those skills are universally applicable from temp office jobs though C level exec positions. The best way to grow your skills and pay is by switching jobs ever 1-3 years.

>>1139762
>especially petroleum engineering, to make some bank

Oil and gas is cyclical. Oil is going up now, but there are thousands of unemployed experienced petro grads who will work as field engineers doing 80-100 hours a week in the shit for an OK pay check once you account for the hours worked.

>>1139774

It's good shit.

>>1139794

>IMO the point of liberal arts education is moot if you are naturally interested gathering information and learning

Patently untrue. If you think you understand politics as well as, say, an international relations major who actually knows their business you'd be sorely wrong.

>STEM teaches critical thinking
>STEM
>critical thinking

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. STEM teaches problem solving. STEM majors tend to be relatively poor at critical thinking and remain stuck in narrow confines.

>>1139762
Petroleum engineering is kind of a meme, but you'll probably finish at a good time in the market for petroleum engineers.

If you don't want to sit in an office all the time, you should do something that requires a lot of travel, (something consulting or sales focused).

Don't do political science, or economics since you didn't apply to any good schools in the fields. John Hopkins is okay for economics if you really want to do the major.

Marketing might be a good choice if you want to go into sales, but it's kind of a meme degree so try to double major in something more useful that you can use to differentiate yourself.

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>>1139762
Cultural Studies, Chemical Engineering with CompSci, Applied Biotech. The last one as a MSc. Applying for graduate entry Medicine 2016.

If they don't take me, too bad. but I believe I can make it with what I have already.

I believe STEM degrees aren't a meme, but they aren't needed to make money. It depends how good you are. Not many patents to be made in Cultural Studies, you know. As someone who lacks imagination and genius for novel research, I try to hide in Medicine... it's basically a high brow trade in disguise.

Mechanical Engineering is probably the most sensible major, as it is a producing as well as a proper research area. You can be an entrepreneur, consultant or wageslave. Petroleum Engineering is probably the worst engineering as you'll be an eternal wageslave and work in an extremely boring field. It's a mystery to me why they earn so much.

Economics is a meh degree, because it doesn't give you any skills that let you create something that you couldn't without the knowledge. It's valued higher than Business for its quantitative focus, but at least Business isn't all snake oil.

All STEM degrees are indoor jobs. Even the oil rig Engineer sits inside and does paper stuff.

>>119801
> STEM majors tend to be relatively poor at critical thinking
Absolutely true.
STEM majors are the least intelligent and least critically thinking people I met. If one wanted this, he'd have to check the Philosophy department. Preferably those in the 3rd year, because so many join it without the capacities required to be good at it. Philosophy itself doesn't teach critical thinking either. One either has it or has it not. People learn and understand logic, but they rarely manage to use it intuitively.

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>>1139821
Coming from an accounting background here, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I've found that in my field of work and study, work seems to be based a lot on critical thinking and problem solving in an unstructured environment, where you need find out what needs to be solved before you can start to solve it.

Does this differ from the skills you gain from a STEM degree/career? If so, how?

Sorry if the questions are fairly broad and generic, but I'm not certain about what detailed questions I should be asking. Starting of with stupidly simple ones seems to be reasonable enough.

>>1139762
Honestly, make money first then worry if you'll suffer the office life.

Do Finance/Accounting, Computer Science, or Engineering (if you have a strong background in the physical sciences). There really is no other majors worth studying, and if there were, then you could always get a minor in that subject.

Most private schools have lackluster engineering-STEM majors unless they're well endowed, or outright prestigious. Check out the ABET certifications if you decide to go into that route.

>>1139762
If you're that opposed to working in an office, have you considered learning a trade? There is potential for serious bank, and it will definitely meet your desire to get outside. And unless you have something specific in mind for becoming an "entrepreneur," knowing a trade would certainly provide you that option.

>>1139762
>faggots in this thread hating on economics
Nigger, I went to UPenn for a graduate degree in economics. I can assure you you will be fine as long as you seek higher education.

>>1139825

Not him, but I'd say that what you do is advanced problem solving, not critical thinking. Problem solving is straightforward, when you're given a problem and have to come up with a solution. Advanced problem solving is figuring out what's going on or what the problem is by reverse engineering the process and coming up with the problem, then solving it.

Critical thinking is nothing like the above. Critical thinking, to use that example, would be re-examining the entire process, it's goals, and outcomes, raising it to a level of abstract examination, and inventing new paradigms that entirely bypass the set of processes that you're fixing with problem solving. To whit, problem solving is figuring out A x B, advanced problem solving is figuring out that you need to solve A x B, and critical thinking is realizing that you don't have to do anything with A x B because you can do something else entirely to get a favorable outcome.

>>1139801

>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. STEM teaches problem solving. STEM majors tend to be relatively poor at critical thinking and remain stuck in narrow confines.

This is actually pretty accurate. I work in a government research institution and we hire on arts majors (particularly psych majors) precisely because Engineers and Mathematicians are poor when it comes to critical thinking skills - which causes issues when human factors problems need to be solved.

>>1139825
I have often heard that accountants need analytical, logical, systematic and creative thinking. However I don't know about it. I've never done accounting. I imagine it to follow very clear structures, but apparently it is not so.

>work seems to be based a lot on critical thinking and problem solving in an unstructured environment, where you need find out what needs to be solved before you can start to solve it.
I'd love that kind of work, to be honest. I think work like this rarely gets boring.

Theoretically as a researcher you'd also first try to think about what problems exist (rarely obvious) and how to solve them. In MechEng one can quickly think of something and the challenge is to make it cost efficient and worth the hassle. in Chemistry it needs some deep insight into the science itself as well as ingenuity to develop a new material or specific compound. I wouldn't have that skill. Most Chemists just aimlessly experiment around until they get something that somehow works. However most Chemists aren't working on new materials at all. Same for engineers. The STEM wageslaves work in front of computers doing routine work.

The broader one looks at a job, the more one realizes that at the end everything is some sort of routine job, except if you are the manager, perhaps, or extremely skilled in something which allows you to further your field. So I'd rather select a field that you'd consider a neat environment to work in. Do you want to work a labcoat and work with a dropper all day? Or wear a suit and do that same movement with your pen? If you abstract far enough all is quite similar. I realized that I wouldn't want to work in an office, lab or with large machinery.

Get one of those career/degree books that list all occupations or degrees of your country with a short description of what people do in that field. Maybe you find something you didn't consider before. Advertising for example is a rather cerebral field. No routine there.

>>1139843
Good insight. Interesting take on it.

>>1139801
>Patently untrue. If you think you understand politics as well as, say, an international relations major who actually knows their business you'd be sorely wrong.

You don't need a degree in international relations to make logically sound decisions regarding who you will vote for.

One of the best classes I took in college was a literature class. Learning about themes and how everything is about sex except sex was cool. Heat and mass transport is a much more valuable course in in my job.

>STEM majors tend to be relatively poor at critical thinking and remain stuck in narrow confines.

They will still dance circles around high school and most college grads. Knowing how to work with what you have in the system is valuable.

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>>1139849
> I think work like this rarely gets boring.

Don't get me wrong - it's not boring work. It does, however, require quite a bit of research.

In my limited experience of a few years, I can honestly say I've never come across two problems that are the same. That said, the area I work in is dealing with ridiculously large international groups of companies, so I guess that'd explain why.

It can do your head in ridiculously easily, however.

>>1139821
>Medicine... it's basically a high brow trade in disguise.
Do people honestly think of Medicine as anything other than a high-brow trade?

>>1139880
I think the older generation still sees doctors as a "sort of scientist", like engineers. Meanwhile a medical thesis is a barely scientific work on hospital statistics that a Biochemist couldn't pass with.

>>1139863
Look at it like this:
Everyone can philosophize, but when the amateur opens his mouth studied Philosophers scream internally. Of course what the amateur says might make sense, if he makes a sound argument. The problem is that he is unaware that the problem has been discussed hundreds of times by dozens of thinkers far more advanced than him. He lacks the foundation he needs to discuss current problems of the field meaningfully.

Meanwhile even someone who never studied MechEng can build a crossbow. But MechEng isn't about building crossbows, just like PolSci isn't about making you vote candidate x or y.

There is no point in ridiculing the liberal arts. They are studied for other reasons than the sciences, obviously.

>>1139863

>sound decisions regarding who you will vote for

Actually, it would have more to do with realizing that various areas of policy are far removed from who you vote for. In fact most political scientists hold that being something called a Joiner is more important than being a voter, and most International Relations majors would point out facts like our foreign policy under both Bush and Clinton was run by people connected to Josef Korbel, namely his daughter Madeleine Aubright and star pupil Condeleeza Rice.

Which is exactly my point: someone who hasn't studied political science or international relations might have some interesting insights into surface level politics, but they really don't have enough in depth knowledge of how things work to say that they have informed opinions.

Basically no, you have no idea whether or not the person you are voting for even remotely matters or why it does or does not matter.

>>1139896
>Meanwhile even someone who never studied MechEng can build a crossbow. But MechEng isn't about building crossbows, just like PolSci isn't about making you vote candidate x or y.

And I know some awesome union guys at my mill who will never figure out why the draw line they have run for years is putting out shitty wire suddenly. They don't know that going from a single draw to a double draw process increases internal stresses in the wire that make it fail a double shear test.

There are some incredibly talented people in the liberal arts who change the field and deserve to be published professors at prestigious schools. Meanwhile there is a massive need for drawn wire in everything that needs a bolt to hold it together. I don't see there being a revolution in how wire is made. I do see businessmen pushing to bump up coil weight in hopes of pushing out competing mills.

>>1139900
In that case lets restrict voting to only those who hold degrees in international relations.

I studied CS and make 150k a year straight out of college.

>>1139932

>So salty

I knew you'd probably have this reaction.

>>1139774
nice schools nigga

>>1139940
/biz/ is about dollar and cents, not the meaning of life.

OP is looking for a good return for spending 4 years and thousands of dollars on his education.

>>1139951

Except that isn't how life works, or how class mobility works. It doesn't matter how much money you make at your job because that won't transition you into the upper classes.

The upper classes evaluate their finances in terms of assets. They accumulate, leverage, liquidate, and multiply their assets based on their opportunities. They protect these assets by political involvement. Political involvement requires an understanding of the nuances taught to you by the humanities.

Yes, STEM can put you into a position where you can invest in assets more easily, but it doesn't put you into a position to actually make the transit. That's why I advocate the 3/2 program: you are primed with the STEM salary to have the startup money to invest in, and you have the know how with regard to the political and social landscapes function to actually make the class transition.

>>1139821
>Petroleum Engineering is probably the worst engineering as you'll be an eternal wageslave and work in an extremely boring field.
>It's a mystery to me why they earn so much.
>wagesalve
>earn so much

huh?

>>1139976
All people who are employed make less than they could. Okay, okay... it doesn't make him a "real wageslave".

You cannot just plant your own oil rig and call it a small business.

Graduating in one year in a BA in Math/Econ with a minor in Stats.

I just have to complete my last upper division classes and ill be set.
What am I in for?

>>1139964
>It doesn't matter how much money you make at your job because that won't transition you into the upper classes.

You only need 1-2 million to quit working and live off the interest. You will have to be frugal, but it can be done. Real estate can be done easily by less wealthy individuals due to leveraging.

>They accumulate, leverage, liquidate, and multiply their assets based on their opportunities

All of which are defined by mathematics and data analysis.

>They protect these assets by political involvement. Political involvement requires an understanding of the nuances taught to you by the humanities.

The presidential race in the US has a good shot at pitting a democratic socialist funded by small donors against a populist republican the media and the party despise. House and senate races this year are a different story, but the hate for the establishment could spread.

I give Bernie a 50/50 shot assuming shillary does not get charged. Trump is all but a lock after Chicago this week.

>That's why I advocate the 3/2 program: you are primed with the STEM salary to have the startup money to invest in, and you have the know how with regard to the political and social landscapes function to actually make the class transition.

Old money does not associate with new money. You need an a connection via family to old money to make the transition from living off your company or investment returns to working the game.

>>1140012
You should have a job already lined up by now. It's too late.

>>1140015

>You only need 1-2 million to quit working and live off the interest.
>all of which are defined by mathematics and data analysis
>democratic socialist funded by small donors against a populist republican
>you need a connection via family to old money to make the transition from living off your company or investment returns to working the game

You flaunt your surface level knowledge and cobbled together memes like they're something to be proud of in response to being told that your surface level knowledge is nothing to be proud of. This is what I mean by not having critical thinking skills.

>>1140016
Can I still salvage the situation?

I only come from a mediocre West Coast public university.

I don't have any internship experience, but I have already made plans volunteer research work for one of my professors.

I do plan to get internships afterward.

>>1140020
>>You only need 1-2 million to quit working and live off the interest.
>all of which are defined by mathematics and data analysis

4% avg withdrawal on 1 million gives 40k pre tax. Assuming no expensive habits or debt liabilities you are free and clear.

>democratic socialist funded by small donors against a populist republican

Look at the media(read: old money) freakout they are having. They won't have person who will stamp a signature on what they propose

>you need a connection via family to old money to make the transition from living off your company or investment returns to working the game

You really do. Uncle is a priest in the catholic church in the richest parish in my region. I got invites to fancy political dinners and got to meet with a few 3rd generation business owners. Grandfather had a few million from getting lucky with his business. My grandmother was right to throw the most attractive and charismatic son into the seminary.

Add information systems to top tier.

Combines CS and Bus.

What do you guys think of Law/International Relations double degrees? Should I just stick with a single?

>>1139762
uhh what job isnt in an office all day?

Don't be a retard anon, look at the fucking oil prices right now. Petroleum engineering has been on the decline for years and has reached a new low with the recent developments. You'll be in a totally over saturated field with useless degree. Just to chemical engineering and then go into the petroleum indsutry if it happens to bounce back up by the time you graduate.

>>1139762
>Business
>Low Tier

fffucck, what do i do next year? i thought corporate finance was a commendable area of study?

anyone here major in math?

>>1139762
Geology major in Cali. Would personally drop it to low tier. Good money tho.

>Economics
>Low tier

wot, Economics is one of the most challenging majors with extremely lucrative career prospects if you get a masters/phd.

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>>1139762
fixed it

>>1139775
What is your profession?

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>>1140238
shit, i didn't even see the top

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>>1139762
Currently a physics undergraduate. I'm gonna go for a graduate degree in either
>applied physics
or
>applied mathematics / mathematical finance / financial engineering

what do?

>>1139801
>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. STEM teaches problem solving. STEM majors tend to be relatively poor at critical thinking and remain stuck in narrow confines.
I've heard a ton of non-stem people make this statement. "STEM-people are lost when they have to think beyond a correct answer with double underlines" is usually the narrative by people who hasn't studied STEM themselves.

This may be true for other universities, I wouldn't know, but at least for my uni this is completely false. The STEM fags here are very well-versed in pretty much any topic imaginable, from history to politics to economics.

So yeah, in my experience, the popular narrative that STEM-fags are retarded beyond their specialisation is completely false. I suspect it's the same thing as when poor people just assume all rich people are assholes because that makes the poor people's lives easier to cope with.

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>>1140245
>Bumping up econ to god
>Bumping up Economics
>Economics
b8

>>1140207
>extremely lucrative career prospects if you get a masters/phd
Can be said with nearly any fucking major. Econ stays low, not shit, but low.

STEM is not going to help you become an entrepreneur if that's what you want, you'd be better off being a business drone if that's what you want to do.

>>1139900
>Joiner
What is joiner?

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>>1140286
Well if you don't have an entrepreneurial nature to begin with you'll never be good at it, sure, but let's assume that you do. In that case,
>Become an expert in a certain area of science and technology in addition to gaining a deep understanding of problem solving skills, numerical skills and computer/programming skills
>not helping you towards becoming an entrepreneur

The only world in which this is true is a world where entrepreneurs never ever base their business on improving and innovating on a certain area of science/technology

If you didn't already know (I assume you don't since you even brought this up), this is, to a large extent, the very definition of what an entrepreneur is.

So in summation you are fucking retarded and as a consequence, STEM will not help *you* become an entrepreneur.

>>1140082
Why? I am going from CS to geology. Not for the money though, I just got tired of working with software and computers.

How is the job market? and internship market?

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>tfw shit at math

I wouldn't even have to pay, but should I just not go major in anything and instead become a janitor right away/ kill myself?

Anyone have any input on accountancy?

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So /biz/, after this semester I'm going to enter university, going into either international business or business management at Ryerson University. I'm also learning programming on the side. Am I doing it right?

>>1140033

You keep on doing this thing where you don't get exactly why the old money aren't happy because you have no read on the situation beyond "billionaire runs as populist on the Republican side" and "democratic socialist funded by small donors".

Sociology, if you studied it, would tell you that social mobility involves acculturating to the new social class that you are joining. Being elbow deep in STEM but being a layperson with regard to the humanities isn't acculturating to the norms of the wealthy, and being a layperson in those areas aren't something that the wealthy can afford.

>>1140268

I'm in a 3/2 program. Your experience must be atypical, or you're assuming that STEM-fags being able to spout off some very surface level knowledge equivocates to actually knowing something.

>currently a physics undergraduate

Ah, okay, so you're a STEM major who doesn't know enough to know that other STEM majors don't know much outside of their specialty.

>>1140390

Someone who becomes active in civic organizations.

>>1139762
I do Psych BSc, it's alright, I probably won't go for a career in psychology but we'll see

>>1140078
dont put finance with management and marketing majors

Is it possible to become a net admin or sys admin by just getting as many certs as possible and not spending thousands on a degree? I don't do well in a classroom setting and I don't want to be stuck in blue collar hell forever.

>>1139762
>especially petroleum engineering, to make some bank
Nice long term carreer plan

>>1139762
If you want something outside, try ecology. They do a crazy amount of work outside

>>1140245
>>1140238
Bringing down geology

Shit son do you know how much money those rock nerds get?

>mfw a bunch of NEET faggots come ITT and try to disrespect Economics
>Implying Economics isn't the fabric the holds all society together/ an important field of study that significantly affects the lives of almost all on earth. Without the study of economics hundreds of millions, maybe billions, would still be living in poverty.
>implying that Economic isn't routinely rated top 10 on pay scale in regards to median career salary, and median starting salary (only counting undergrad, grad school econ has insane salary)
>Implying Economics doesn't have the highest salary ceiling out of any other major except maybe finance. Instead of leveling out at 100-120k as you would in STEM

Fuck off weaboo faggots. Look at the mot successful people to walk this earth, you know what a lot of them have? ECONOMICS DEGREES. Do you know what Donald Trump studied? ECONOMICS. Are you saying TrumpgotCucked?

Fuck off and hate while i rack in 300k starting and laugh at you from my upper west side condo overlooking central park where you will most likely than not be begging for spare changed you cucks!

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>>1142941
Economics is literally something you can figure out yourself in like, 5 minutes.

>>1142977
actual shit bait

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I will start chemistry engineering next year

>>1142941

These are all true. If economics wasn't a pseudoscience with no rigour I probably would have devoted my life to it.

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>>1142941
>Fuck off and hate while i rack in 300k
top kek you do that anon

>>1142941
Okay, Econ PhD here, if you think that economics is what holds society together then you're wrong. What holds society together is productive entrepreneurs going out and starting/running businesses and being productive members of society. Economics helps us understand the phenomena of markets, trade, and the institutions under which trade takes place, but its study is not a vital part of society.

Just like we don't need sociologists in order to form a good community, we don't need economists to form a robust economy.

>>1143199
Also, I will add my suggestion that Econ major be moved to shit tier. There is a purpose for economics, but the undergrad econ that goes on outside of the top 10 schools is hot garbage.

An econ undergrad will not help you understand anything because you won't get deep enough, and it won't help you make money because that's what the business/finance majors were spending their time doing and they'll do it better than you.

Pursuing economics in graduate school is okay, but not always great. If you get a masters you'll get a pretty good job, but it probably wont' be worth the tuition that you pay because all of the econ departments use their masters student tuition as a farm system to pay for their research.

An Econ PhD is purely academic unless your research ends up being important down the road. For example, Varian wrote a series of papers on what an economy would be like if information search became virtually costless back in the 80's and was ignored, but now Google pays him millions. Outside that small chance you'll make between 100k and 200k if you get tenure at a good school, which you could probably do much better than if you had applied that same level of intellect to business or finance.

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Would Business Administration be a good major?

>>1143211
If you want to be a manager, yes. But the best thing that you could do is get actual experience managing people.

>>1140261
>applied mathematics
This is far less applied than you think it is. I live with a guy getting a PhD in applied math. What they mean by applied is "applied to shapes/spaces/sets" not actually applied to being useful in real life.
>mathematical finance / financial engineering
Are these meaningfully different?

>>1143222

He might mean "Engineering: Applied Mathematics/Physics", which is what the Nuclear Engineering program got rolled into at Columbia.

>>1143216
Honestly I'm not sure what I want

Nursing. Great job security caus there's always going to be sick people and can do the same job anywhere in the world.

>>1142977
>> LE BERNIE MEME xDDD

>>1139767

literally all you need to know from humanities is that woman are a shit, people will manipulate always, and history are the same morons jerking off to some distant culture because they couldn't think that Romorious from the 82 BC could jerk off to other distant cultures too

>>1142941

I suppose that economics taught critical skills? We call them bullshitting-skills and every middle manager knows how much bullshit you sput on a daily basis but he ignores it because it would mean that he will get his ass fired

Economics should be called "Machiavellionics" because getting a grade out of it means that you are qualified to bullshit your way up in a company, business faggots are always the most manipulative people you will ever meet and probably they were born like that and the title were just made as a containment grade for bigoted faggots

I'm doing information systems. Not sure where /biz/ would rank me but I'm enjoying it.

>>1142474
Certifications and experience, hell yes

>majored in anthropology and minored in econ
>making 110k per year at 25
>Teaching myself programming and paying down student debt so I can start my own business.

Only cucks let themselves be limited by their major.

>>1143352
It's the best of the technology related field.

>>1143352
teach yourself some python or other scripting language. if you go into business learn VBA.

>>1143356
Why would you major in anthropology?

>>1143359

Thanks, I'll make sure to.

>>1143361
I wanted to be an archeologist.

Once I realized that the job field is non existent, the salary is terrible and the odds of you being on national geographic are trash, I decided I wanted to make money

I taught myself web design, created a few basic websites. Got a marketing internship and then went into enterprise SAAS sales after doing well in it.

From there I've moved up the ladder and am now doing well for myself as a marketing consultant.

One day once I'm able to pay off debts and create a stable financial base for myself. I would love to go back to school and study ancient civilizations.

>>1142917
the fuck, how the fuck are geologists in demand at all right now?

>>1143469
geologists know stuff about the ground. oil is in the ground.

>>1143356
Wanna give job background?

What's good to dual with Accounting? I was thinking of Statistics or Economics, but anything else? Any accountants here?

>>1143508
tru

>>1143429
No you didn't

>>1143469
oil baby
Plus fracking is basically all rock. Along with measuring the risks of earthquakes and shit like that.
Also, you may not know this, but gold, uranium, silver, and many other resources we need come from the ground.

Those rock lickers are somewhat helpful

>>1143562
now i almost want to be a rock licker

Pure Math, Comp.Sci Senior Yr. Anon Here.
Just ordered custom /biz/cards, doing lectures and pentesting

>>1140238
>>1140245
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>>1145034
I've heard that Mathematics + Computer Science is not the best since, from what I've been told is the "at a certain point the math doesn't help." I dunno, thoughts?

>>1139762
I got a International Econ/Finance degree and couldn't do shit with it. Then 3 years into engineering school, not even gradutaing, i get a $70,000/yr job. i'd say more, but i'm tired. Get a science degree if you want to be white collar. Either engineering or medicine, anything else and you will be on the bread line

>>1145127
Enginnering > Comp Sci

Engineers can get jobs that Comp Sci can, but not the other way around

>>1145133
>>1145133
Kind of engineering, computer or electrical? I'm thinking of going to school in September. Kind of anxious about it

>>1145154
I'm computer engineering and i sit in an office with 2 electrical engineers. There is tons of overlap. Decide if you like hardware or software more, the hiring rates are very similar (get an internship)

>>1145162
Both my and their official titles are "Controls Engineer" ..again ..overlap

>>1140624
learn math you retard. 2 months of studying and you'll have a good base for Calculus. I was bad at math, had to choose between accounting vs CS degrees. Was going to bust my ass for both so decided to bust my ass in the better degree. Relearned math during the summer. Calc was a breeze.
>desu I just want to drive trains man

>>1139762
Physics with ADD masterrace reporting in !
take an office job if you wanna be a wageslave

I'm gonna need some advice here. Long story short, I've been a failure all throughout school and now college. I've been studying for my bachelors degree in business administration (with focus on business law and business informatics) for like 7 (? I don't even know anymore) YEARS and there is a decent chance I might drop out without a degree and I am 29 years old already. Other than starting a career flipping burgers, what are my options? Learn a trade? Get an apprenticeship? I have certificates for almost all SAP modules, is there a chance an SAP consultant firm would hire me, even if I don't get my degree? I used to gamble to support myself for the past 5 years and I was doing well, so I didn't really worry too much about my future, but I have taken a few big losses this year and my bankroll is dwindling away, so I'm gonna need some financial security.

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>>1145127
>at a certain point the math doesn't help
It never did.
I use my "math skills" to test my interpretations of the world (direct/Indirect fact checking). B -D grades but my high understanding of theory and application off balances this (got trade skills/job exp/avid researcher/linux user, not ubuntu). Once I understood enough different high level theorems and relations to other fields the CompSci came easier. Math has really helped my ENTP nature. In the future hopefully more people take the the time (before 21) to atleasts take Intro to Proofs or Logic and Reason; there better learning materiel for the AVERAGE person.

i took off this semester as a 2nd sem freshmen because of family shit. do you guys think those coding bootcamps are worth it? they boast pretty good job statistics

>>1145484
>and I am 29 ye
I went to engineering school at 28. I'm 33 now with a good co-op. Im old for a co-op, but it'll lead to 70k salary sometime next year when i graduate

>>1140022
>gaucho who didn't make it into the big 4

Ahahahahahahah

Mech or Comp Engineering

What do you pick and why?

> Law in top tier

You realize law is just a set of rules and precedents? Contemporary machines could handle that if we spent some time making them handle it. (i.e. on the Information Technology. Yes, the "Shit Tier".)

>>1139762
have a bachelors in math, graduated with a 3.8 gpa from a shitty public school. couldn't find any white collar work so im making $35k/yr as a manual labor wageslave. going back to school in august for a masters in accounting with plans of getting my CPA and working in public accounting. feels good desu. don't fall for the STEM meme.

>>1146527
thank you for the insight, autist.

>>1146579
>don't fall for the STEM meme

I really don't want to, but what's the alternative?

>>1139762
Why is Information Technology so low on the list?

>>1146619
2 year health sciences degrees, nursing, accounting. i mean STEM isn't all bad if you go into it with open eyes. as an example, nearly all hard science degrees are worthless at the bachelors level because the pay is atrocious, and at the masters or doctorate level you're fighting h1b pajeets for jobs. engineering can be good but you have to be open to moving to find work and certain fields like electrical, chemical, and petroleum engineering have shitty job markets and job growth projections. math is useless unless you go to a good school and are smart/hard working. statistics is pretty good but again, you need to go to a good school and do internships.

>>1146646
OP's never heard of cyber security

>>1139829
i would argue that finance is worthless unless its math finance with a minor in CS. but yeah ..this

Don't even have my associates degree. I'll have it by next fall. Getting work experience over the summer. I'm probably going to do a trade, idk what I should do? I'm 21 btw.

>>1146672
Thats actually one of the things I am considering.

>>1139939
bullshit. Unless you have a masters and live in a New Yorkish sized city. ...Otherwise bullshit.

>>1146684
You got options. And idea for your path to mastery ?

>>1140050
Law is a post grad degree. You can get anything from basket weaving to nuclear science as an undergrad and still do law. My advice, get a 4 year degree that will pay if you can't get to law school. Also, patent law is the way to go if you undergrad as an engineer. They make stupid amounts of money.

>>1140261
if you do applied physics, you will cover all the the equations used in other fields in some form or another. No financial engineer i ever met actually started in financial engineering. They honed their math skillz elsewhere and then moved into finance.

>>1142474
actually, yeah it is. But it has to be your life. You coding right now?

>>1143207
this man speaks truth. International Econ degree here ..then recession ..then engineering school ..then finallly money. I wish i never lived in the 80s. It made me think business was worth a damn as a field of collegiate study.

>>1146520
Computer Engineers can get jobs in the fields of Mech, Electrical, Coding (obviously). Computer Engineering is the jack of all trades of engineering. Comp engineers have the best hiring rate of all engineers except chemical./materials. check the fed facts

>>1146646
the engineers and comp sci people will take your job in a down market

>how the fuck are geologists in demand

Oil mostly, but water is the new big thing.

California is having an irrigation crisis and thus hydrology is the biggest growing subfield of geology.

>>1146694
the sad thing is he's probably not far off from the truth for some people. One of my friends (who is brilliant) was hired by google for $120K/annum

He's probably lying, because that $105K was housing my friend in california, so i dont know where else property is that god awful expensive.

>>1141172
Except that is so untrue. I'm a mechanical engineering student, yet I play 5 instruments at high levels of proficiency and regularly read non fiction history books for fun. You must know some retards if they refuse to expand their knowledge beyond their own little niche.

>>1146703
No

>>1139762

Geology is top tier!?

What are you five?

EROS is like the most famous facility in the U.S. and its in like "butt fuck nowhere", south dakota,

>>1145085
wow, great rebuttal!

>>1147123
Read anything?

>>1147145
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>>1139767
>anime picture in post

Dont need to be getting advice from fucking weebs. Dropped

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>>1147116
Yeah I'd move it to low for undergrad
>Good Money
>Shit job market
>too many people out of industry trying to get masters/employment
>have to move to bumfuck nowhere
>very little social life once career kicks off because above
>half department are backwood rednecks
But I only speak for the states.

>>1146743
looks like im doing comp then, thanks

Doing psych for undergrad, and then med school. Almost fell for the STEM meme. I'd rather enjoy my time in college than memorize the Krebs cycle.

>>1147356
med school sucks. i dropped out after a semester. if you're concerned with "enjoying your time" you're going to hate yourself because med school, even at the pre-clinical level, is a MASSIVE time sink. memorizing the kreb's cycle will be one of the easiest things you'll ever have to do, not even kidding.

>>1146743
This is fucking bullshit. Do not listen to this guy. CompE is a branch of EE. It's more narrower. Go for EE or MechE, which is the most versatile.

>>1147356
>>1147422

More like the PLEB cycle amirite

I know a guy who majored in mathematics and physics, still hasn't got a job because autism.

Meanwhile my shit tier linguistics degree got me a cushy job where I choose my own hours, and I'm going back to school to be a business corporatecunt. Feels fucking smug.

>STEM people are narrow minded and dumb
>Artfags learn dumb pointless shit

When will these memes die?

>>1146646

Over-saturated market for a meme degree, not enough jobs to go around and most employers prefer to abuse the H1B to hire foreign workers with years of experience for entry level pay

>>1146672

Cyber security is extremely hard to get into, not only are the standards high most of the time to get a foot in the door and gain an entry level position you need to know someone who knows somebody who's is already in the field. The only real viable way for most people wanting to go into this field is to go into the military and land an intelligence MOS.

>>1148478

>Got Security+ for fun during CS studies
>Make 65k doing infosec for a small bank first week after graduating
>Didn't even do an internship

So hard

I'm starting a PhD in chemistry next fall. How do I make enough money with this degree so I can live in my dream of a high rise apartment in Chicago (roughly $2000/month housing)

>>1148488

Win a nobel prize

>>1146667
>>1146619
>>1143238
literally why i dropped chemical engineering halfway and started working on a 2-year nursing program at the local community college.

the great thing about nursing is the relatively short amount of time you can take to graduating. work on getting your CNA (1 semester, part time), then your LPN (~2 years) or RN (2-4 yrs), later you can get into specialized fields where the pay is mad decent. studying for 4 years in a big state uni and finding jack shit to do is pretty disheartening.

nursing is always going to be in demand because there are way too many old people.

I hate when people say they can't find a job. If you're willing to move, and you should be, you'll find a job in <1 month. I lived with an old lady during college who got laid off from her secretary job at age 59 and couldn't get a job for over a year and I told her all she had to do was fucking move but she wanted to stay in eastern Iowa and refused to commute more than 15 minutes.

>>1148485

>thinking that doing security for a small bank is the same as doing security for a major company or financial institution

I live in a major tech hub, if you're trying to find a cyber security job without a CISSP your resume won't even get pass the automated screening.

>>1148516

I thought the discussion was about getting an infosec job in general, not finding one in Austin or Palo Alto -_-

>>1148521

I base my knowledge on the job market of cyber security field from my own observations and the experiences of my friends in the field. I'm sure it's easier in other places but where I'm at just trying to find an entry level IT position is extremely difficult because of all the competition.

>>1147546
yeah but compE's make more money

>>1148488
>PhD in chemistry

hahahaha oh god. spend an afternoon reading about how shitty the chemistry job market is on chemjobber or /r/chemistry, and dont for a second buy into the bullshit that the american chemical society pushes about the 'shortage of phd chemists' or the 'low unemployment rates.' even with a phd in the most employable subfields of chemistry (analytical) you're going to be fighting to find a job and when you do find a job, you're going to be moving all over the country to get it -- you don't choose where you want to live, you follow the work. if you're doing your phd in something like organic synthesis, youre unlikely to even find a job.

>>1148505
People with kids, a mortgage, and extended family don't want to move away for Mr.Shekelberg

>>1147422
Omg I'm soo scared. You just changed made me rethink my career choice!!! Is that the reaction you wanted?

>>1147547
That's because he was one of those kids who thought doing well in school was all they had to do. In reality, no life experience fucks you

>>1149054

>Getting a mortgage in 2016

Company loyalty doesn't exist anymore

If people don't want to move for Mr. Shekelberg then I guess they don't want a few shekels

>>1139762

Not gonna read any of the posts in this thread, and barley read your OP.

Business is fucking stupid, we are in the height of a bubble and by the time you graduate we'll be in a massive economic recession as it pertains to banking. We can only have 0% interest rates for so fucking long.

Computer Science is by far the best major for quality of life after 4 years of college. I'm a mechanical engineer, but I've worked with Comp Science and Comp E majors and their job oppertunities are by far a step up.

Mechanical Engineer, in America expect 50-55k starting out of college if you're in a low cost of living area, or if you're in a major city that can go up to 65-70 usually.

Student loans are real, as a potential faggy-business major you should know this. Pick the school that makes sense financially. If you graduate with 60k in loans at 5% and want to pay them off in 6 years, that would be equivalent to someone without student loans walking into a Honda dealership and buying 3 honda Civics..

>>1149235

It still blows my mind that Ameriburgrrs have to pay interest on their student loans.

>>1143231
Then do engineering, at the very least you'll get very good at bullshitting seemingly complicated things. Like as long as you pass (no one has to know you were bottom of your class), you might not get a good engineering job but you'll be better off then being a mediocre business administration major.

Also people always overestimate the difficulty of engineering...

>>1149242

God Bless America

I'm gonna leave the country and skip out on mine :^)

>>1149078
i really dont give a shit what you do because you are the one that will have to live with the terrible decision to be a physician, if you even get into med school.

>>1148849
No, they don't. I've been working in the Aerospace industry for 2 years now doing framework. I've met numerous CompE's that got beat out by EE's. The statistics you read from site represent the average. Most guys don't intern and build a good resume in college. Network and do this and you'll be looking at a decent salary no matter what. Since most guys are CAD monkeys and so many CompE's go into software, of course the statistics show compe's making more money. But antyone can teach themselves code, get experience, and work in software. But these guys are outsourced so easily.

>>1139762
Why is business so low?

>>1149251
Sadly I lack the math skills for engineering

>>1149441
okay, well my other interest is mechanical engineering, thoughts?

They make less money

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>>1139762
god tier here

feels good man

>>1139762
I'm thinking of doing a civil/mechanical engineering degree at UCL and then head over to middle east and grind over there for a few years. Anyone here know what the pay prospects can look like?

>>1151040
A beheading

>>1149331
Obviously going in for derm residency

>>1151278
I'm myself from that region so that is unlikely.