Why the fuck should I ever give anyone advice on how to make

>astronomy
>God Tier
wot

Let's see if this holds up. I'll confirm/debunk your tiers post by post.

GOD Tier

>Mathematician

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-2021.00

Median wages - $49.86 hourly, $103,720 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Physicist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-2012.00

Median wages - $52.69 hourly, $109,600 annual
Projected growth - Average (5% to 8%) Average (5% to 8%)

>Chemist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-2031.00

Median wages - $35.33 hourly, $73,480 annual
Projected growth - Slower than average (2% to 4%)

>Astronomer

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-2011.00

Median wages - $50.68 hourly, $105,410 annual
Projected growth - Slower than average (2% to 4%)

There's tons of different engineering fields, so I'll pick just a few.

>Mechanical Engineer

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/17-2141.00

Median wages - $39.93 hourly, $83,060 annual
Projected growth - Average (5% to 8%)

>Petroleum Engineer

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/17-2171.00

Median wages - $62.53 hourly, $130,050 annual
Projected growth - Faster than average (9% to 13%)

>Industrial Engineer

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/17-2112.00

Median wages - $39.18 hourly, $81,490 annual
Projected growth - Little or no change (-1% to 1%)

>>1101648

GOD Tier (Continued)

>Doctor - Family & General Practicioner

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/29-1062.00

Median wages - $86.63 hourly, $180,180 annual
Projected growth - Faster than average (9% to 13%)

>Dentist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/29-1021.00

Median wages - $71.90 hourly, $149,540 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Registered Nurse

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/29-1141.00

Median wages - $32.04 hourly, $66,640 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>>1101648
Retard, the real money isn't being an academic or entry-level worker in those fields. You're supposed to go to a prestigious university, major in such a field, and then work in consulting or finance if you don't go to medical school.

>>1101650

TOP Tier

>Lawyer

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/23-1011.00

Median wages - $55.27 hourly, $114,970 annual
Projected growth - Average (5% to 8%)

>Statistician

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-2041.00

Median wages - $38.46 hourly, $79,990 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Pharmacist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/29-1051.00

Median wages - $58.15 hourly, $120,950 annual
Projected growth - Slower than average (2% to 4%)

>Geoscientist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-2042.00

Median wages - $43.22 hourly, $89,910 annual
Projected growth - Faster than average (9% to 13%)

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>>1101608
>Chemistry above Law
>Philosophy and Economics Low/Shit-tier
>mfw
Economics is highest paying degree for the top 10% of earners. Philosophy is up there too (ahead of half the engineering degrees).

Stay pleb for instant gratification fellow millennial.

>>1101671
Also, mfw half these engineers will be past their prime when they hit their late 30s, capping out at 100K/yr ready to be replaced by a pajeet.

>>1101608
for fun

>>1101658

MID Tier

>Biologist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-1020.01

Median wages - $34.59 hourly, $71,940 annual
Projected growth - Slower than average (2% to 4%)

>Computer Systems Analyst

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-1121.00

Median wages - $39.76 hourly, $82,710 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Software Developer, Applications

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-1132.00

Median wages - $45.92 hourly, $95,510 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Physician

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/29-1069.08

Median wages - $90.00+ hourly, $187,200+ annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Physical Therapist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/29-1123.00

Median wages - $39.61 hourly, $82,390 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>>1101689

LOW Tier

>Psychiatrists

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/29-1066.00

Median wages - $87.44 hourly, $181,880 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Counseling Psychology

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-3031.03

Median wages - $33.12 hourly, $68,900 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Accountant

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/13-2011.01

Median wages - $31.70 hourly, $65,940 annual
Projected growth - Faster than average (9% to 13%)

>Financial Analyst

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/13-2051.00

Median wages - $37.80 hourly, $78,620 annual
Projected growth - Faster than average (9% to 13%)

>Market Research Analysts and Marketing Specialists

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/13-1161.00

Median wages - $29.47 hourly, $61,290 annual
Projected growth - Much faster than average (14% or higher)

>Human Resources Specialists

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/13-1071.00

Median wages - $27.60 hourly, $57,420 annual
Projected growth - Average (5% to 8%) Average (5% to 8%)

>>1101636
>business low tier, these are always made by some entry level engineer who dum enough to not know about wage caps.

>>1101698

LOW Tier (Continued)

>Economist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-3011.00

Median wages - $46.02 hourly, $95,710 annual
Projected growth - Average (5% to 8%) Average (5% to 8%)

>IT Technician

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-1151.00

Median wages - $22.89 hourly, $47,610 annual
Projected growth - Faster than average (9% to 13%)

>>1101608
Tell them to read Mr money moustache

>>1101702

SHIT Tier

>Musicians and Singers

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/27-2042.00

Median wages - $24.16 hourly
Projected growth - Slower than average (2% to 4%)

>Gender Studies Majors

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/35-3022.01

Median wages - $9.01 hourly, $18,740 annual
Projected growth - Average (5% to 8%)

>Editors

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/27-3041.00

Median wages - $26.39 hourly, $54,890 annual
Projected growth - Decline (-2% or lower)

>Writers and Authors

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/27-3043.04

Median wages - $28.30 hourly, $58,850 annual
Projected growth - Slower than average (2% to 4%)

>Philosophy

They...teach more philosophy?

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/25-1126.00

Median wages - $63,630 annual
Projected growth - Faster than average (9% to 13%)
(I hope that PhD was worth it!)

>Political Scientist

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-3094.00

Median wages - $50.44 hourly, $104,920 annual
Projected growth - Decline (-2% or lower)

>Anthropologists and Archaeologists

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-3091.00

Median wages - $28.50 hourly, $59,280 annual
Projected growth - Slower than average (2% to 4%)

>mfw these salaries in the USA
>tfw Mathematician making 29k GBP in the UK

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>>1101723

CONCLUSIONS

>Engineering has some so-so fields, but it's still the best considering how much you get with just a Bachelor's. Definitely deserves God Tier
>Medical is overwhelmingly good. You won't make as much with just an Associate's degree anywhere else.

>Math, Physics, and Astronomy are all overrated. Not that many jobs and you need a graduate degree.

>Law is good but way overcrowded. Probably deserves only Mid Tier

>Stats pays well and doesn't have nearly the same educational requirement. Deserves Top Tier.

>Some Mid and Low majors, like Kinesiology and Psych only are so-so within their field (therapists), but can be used to jump to medical applications (psychiatrists and physicians) and thus are semi-God Tier.

>Computer Science deserves Top Tier

>Business belongs in Mid or Low tier. People only look at manager salaries, but the majority of these majors make much less.

>Economics actually is underrated

>Humanities and the Arts are just as shit everyone says they are. If they make decent money at all, most of the fields are actually shrinking in jobs. Professors can turn out alright if they get a PhD and teach postsecondary, but that's literally it for many of the majors.

tldr: engineering or medicine or bust

>>1101745
Medicine has too much survivorship bias and opportunity cost isn't factored in. It's overrated imo.

A McDonald's franchiser is a better paid better, but most business majors work as wageslaves. This is why you see Indians have high salaries, risk = reward.

If you rate medicine high, business should be high as well.

>>1101745

Some other things to mention:

>These stats show the expected growth in job openings, but not the ratio of graduates trying to fill those jobs. Some fields, especially Law and Computer Science, are very crowded and that's not reflected well in Onet.

>The educational requirements for these fields isn't easy to copy and paste. If you start drooling over doctor salaries, remember the costs of medical school. In fact, when you consider the mountain of student loan debt and the opportunity cost of years in school vs. working, nursing arguably has better ROI.

>There are many, many subfields with better/worse salaries and prospects than the ones I listed here.

>>1101754

>Medicine has too much survivorship bias and opportunity cost isn't factored in. It's overrated imo.

Agreed, but only at the graduate school level.

There are many, many medical subfields with Associate's Degree requirements (a year or two of schooling maximum) that pays better than many jobs that require 4-year Bachelor's.

http://www.onetonline.org/find/result?s=medicine&a=1

>A McDonald's franchiser is a better paid better, but most business majors work as wageslaves. This is why you see Indians have high salaries, risk = reward.

Hard to quantify, or at least out of my scope here, since Onet doesn't try to capture entrepreneurship.

Online Merchants do pretty well though.

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/13-1199.06

What engineering is best engineering?

>>1101779

Probably Petroleum. Oil companies are desperate. Just be prepared to live in Bumblefuck, South Dakota.

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/17-2171.00

But you can browse the whole list of engineering fields here:

http://www.onetonline.org/find/result?s=engineer&a=1

>>1101779
>Petroleum.
Average mean salary ranges from 130k~150 with the top 10% being about 200k+

how fucked am I if I study English, Media and cultural studies in college?

>>1101789
>>1101791
Yeah but oil is shit atm and I don't want to risk being laid off

What engineering has the best stable high income/lots of jobs for the future/overlap in different fields in case I end up hating direct engineering jobs?

I assume it would be software or computer because everybody needs one of those to do shit??

>>1101794
Idk about the U.S., but couldn't u transfer to something related like marketing that isn't so shit tier?
>>1101796
I mean laid off whenever the market goes bad

>>1101798
do you mean transfer as in switch degrees or pursue a career in marketing? the course I'm looking at says marketing is a big career pathway after but i'm pretty sceptical desu

>>1101820
Switch degrees?

>>1101859
I'm not from the U.S but I believe there's an option to switch your major a year in.

>>1101731
come to the promised land my friend
just don't bring european politics with you

>>1101754
My aunt had brilliant idea of going to medical school in her mid 40s for some reason. She was already well educated at this point and had enough to make a good living. She finishes the schooling, but is unable to finish the residency either due to her age, or more likely her poor temperament. At one time she had 100k in student loan debts, and is now 62. She works as a nutritionist for a farm workers clinic. I guess the lesson is you can be a good academic but that enough does not guarantee success. You need people skills and realistic expectations

Biotechnology rank?

Geology/geophysics is a god tier major, pretty much guranteed a 70k starting salary in petroleum/mining/natural resources/gis

>>1102403
>he actually believes this

I have a question. What does network administration fall under? Computer Science?

>>1101608
God tier: running your own business
Low tier: Giving somebody $50K for an academic blessing
Shit tier: making a chart out of low tier

>>1103060
Plus does getting an associates lower the worth of it much?

>>1103066
Running your own buisness ends in failure and/or debt for 80% of people

for 18% of people break even or make under 100k a year in net profit

2% have successful business making over 100k a year profit

im sick of this small buisness meme.
Dude im gonna be rich im starting a buisness XD
what do you mean do you have any startup capital ill just get a loan bro
what do you mean i dont have enough industry experience or connections my uncle owns a buisness fixing cars or some shit ill just buy parts in bulk and pay my employees to fix shit i dont even nee to do anything XD

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>>1101608
whatever you do, whether you study or learn a trade be sure you know about compound interest and pay more than your minimum if you take a loan. don't be like this girl

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>>1103114
>paid back $32,700 in 23 years
>has a degree

This stupid bitch paid $27 a week from her student loans, WITH A FUCKING DEGREE she could have only been spending 10% of her income earning $6.75 an hour and paid that

MFW if she actually paid off the amount she claimed evenly, aka $1422 dollars every year she would actually still owe $20,144 dollars, she probably let her debt sit for 10 years and didnt start to pay it off until it ballooned to 50K

MFW if she stopped going out for lunch or buying shoes or some shit she could have spent $37 a week ($1924 a year) paying off her degree and she would have no debt by now.

MFW normies cant into maths or finance

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>>1103177
>MFW normies cant into maths or finance

best part is when they make terrible choices and expect YOU to pay for it.


>all dem pets
>expensive vehicle
>buying a house beyond your means
>having a child that late in life when you probably won't be around to see her grow up
>GIBS ME DAT FREE MONEY!

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Hey guys, I'm 26, have no health insurance, no debt (but an English B.A. paid in full), and literally no job experience or history. I've only worked very briefly under the table with huge 2-3 year gaps.

How fucked am I? What should I do? In assets I have maybe $500 in gold/silver, $3000 in guns (which is hard to liquidate), and a T.V. + PS4 to my name. FYI I'm not a Bernie supporter, I took no money from the government (education paid for from a trust) and am overall ashamed of myself.

>>1101679
Hell yea. Finance and Math student here and I agree and I am also a pajeet, so double rekt

>>1103187
first stop being so pride full and take all the government benefits you can, you can pay back the country later when you actually start paying serious taxes, you can't afford not to be a hypocrite now.

second try to get a job in sales or any other job which requires good communication skills on paper, sell your degree on your resume mention all the projects/work you did in it and how it relates to how good you are with people, communicating with others, writing concise reports etc any leadership skills you can shill are a plus. for the employment gap make up some fake work experience working for your parents business, for enter level jobs no one checks just don't say you worked for a fortune 500 company or a company that any one has heard of or you will get found out

good luck anon and keep applying for work, most importantly DON'T rely on internet job searches as your primary avenue for finding employment, networking is the most effective method for finding employment so leverage all your friends and family and check if anyone they know is working in a field you can claim you have experience in through your degree.

>>1101608
>information technology.
>low tier.

Being the boss over every single damn employee and even the boss without the actual status is the best ever.

>>1103102
>18% of people break even or make under 100k a year in net profit
>2% have successful business making over 100k a year profit

So what the hell is going on with the other 80%?

>>1101796
Don't do petro. My school has one of the best petroleum engineering programs in the country, but none of the petros are getting hired atm or if they do get hired they get laid off in about 6 months. Electrical is probably the best. High salary and high demand. Mechanical is also a good choice if you want a wide range of fields to go into.

>>1101608

Why is Mathematics God Tier?

anyone here an actuary or planning to become one?

>>1103201
Interesting. So fabricating a history of manual labor in the summers during my education is probably viable. I could probably get some warehouse work through a family friend, which would be my only real "connection".

>>1101745

So wise one, what would

geographic information systems architect be on your tier system ?

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>Worked at environmental focused startup that is valued at $2 billion now
>go to ivy league school for environmental science
>decent grades

How fucked am I to find a job after college?

Also I hate my major and feel like I have no useful skills

>>1103261
>Also I hate my major and feel like I have no useful skills

Pretty sure that's how it works

>>1101608
Using this image in the OP should be a bannable offense on biz

>>1103319

is haram. we delete very college thread inshallah

>>1103206
Is that what you tell yourself to help cope with reality?

>>1103216
Electrical is probably the best. High salary and high demand.

the fuck are you talking about. the bureau of labor statistics just published an estimated 10 year job growth for EE at literally 0%. meaning no new jobs yet shit tons of new students graduating with bachelors, masters, and doctorate degrees in EE every year.

>>1103494
sooooo

Computer/software/computer/chemical/civil are the options?

>>1101608
>business and economics in low tier

why

>>1102529
he's right about the latter half but the job market is utter trash

second-year econ major here. ive been thinking about whether I not I want to set my goals for law school. what do u guys think?

>>1103213
they end up running at a lose during the first few years so they give up and sell