- Anyone here have a successful and durable experience in fo

how many times have you posted this thread OP?

I'll post this reply...

most forex 'brokers' are a scam, most people will lose money trading forex...

as a retail trader you've got places like LMAX and interactive brokers or you could try FX Futures on the CME

even then, though those places are fair, you're still more likely to lose money doing this

>>1064124
Are forex.com and fxcm a scam?

>>1064117

you trade with success the forex ?

what's your perfomance per year ?

>>1064172
nope, some other guys using my clearing firm do but they're more of a high frequency marketmaking operation, they started out trying to arb between one ECN and the CME but I think that dried up for them as they weren't quick enough

I trade futures(Brent, WTI mostly, have scaled back massively at the mo) tis pointless me mentioning % returns as you'll get some numpty who doesn't understand the business getting rather butthurt over the figures. % returns are kind of meaningless as I've essentially got a first loss agreement with my clearer and access to much greater size than you'd normally get with an FCM. Previously I was fully funded at a different clearing firm, I originally started off trading bond futures - bund and bobl on Eurex before switching to ICE.

>>1064127
I wouldn't call them a scam per say, I just don't see why people would trade at places where your interests aren't very well aligned... fxcm certainly seems to have had a dubious past

bucketshops have some inherent conflicts of interest with the typical retail trader

some ECNs are not very transparent either

FX futures have a level playing field, at least from the point where your order hits CME's servers

interactive brokers is pretty fair, LMAX too - though as a retail client you're basically forced to cross the spread... still no last look provisions for their liquidity providers

>>1063541
Oh look its this thread again. When are you going to realize OP that no one is going to tell you about a profitable trading strategy online for free.

>>1064281
What is ICE

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>>1064114
Dude that's my bedroom wtf

>>1064317
www.theice.com/

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Who know the name of this platform trading ?

>>1064473
that is an actual trading platform. as in, you're able to do the true advanced orders. (not just limit orders, but hiding and disguising your orders)

you have to have serious money to use that.

>>1064483

you know his name please ? what broker use this platform ?

>>1064500
it's not a broker platform. i don't know the name.

>>1064319

you're a rich guy, invest in a beautiful desk

>>1064473
DAS Trader

>>1064483
>that is an actual trading platform. as in, you're able to do the true advanced orders. (not just limit orders, but hiding and disguising your orders)

you do realize how an exchange works??? while you can play around with how you route orders you don't get any special order types simply by purchasing different software

>>1064483
also, no you don't need 'serious money' - its aimed at retail guys... you've got technical analysis/charts etc.. FFS

>>1064541
you can put on the books that you want to buy at 100, but really, you're buying at 95. everyone else will see 100, not 95, as the price on the books.

then there's dark pools.

and yes, where you're routing to.

with that platform, you're not trading with a retail broker, but in the actual exchange.

>do you even realize how exchanges works

>>1064545

it's not a retail broker.

>it has charts
>which obviously none of wall street uses
>so it's obv for the little guy

you need enough capital to open an account, and you have to pay subscription fees, as well. (though, fees and commissions gets smaller with larger order sizes)

>>1064541
>DAS Trader

thanks

>>1064554
>with that platform, you're not trading with a retail broker, but in the actual exchange.

no, you'll need a broker still - who is going to clear your trades for you?

your post doesn't make much sense in general, you didn't know what the platform was before and now you're trying to lecture me on what you can do with it...

you'll need circa $150 a month for that sort of software you don't need 'serious money'

>>1064554
>you can put on the books that you want to buy at 100, but really, you're buying at 95. everyone else will see 100, not 95, as the price on the books.

this is meaningless and you seem confused - the front end you chose to use doesn't change how the exchange functions, the exchange still has the same rules, same microstructure as always

Been involved in Forex trading for 9 years. On average I have made 37.76% ROI and I haven't looked back

>>1064281

you started trading in what year and with how many money/capital ?

Now, you are a millionnaire ?

>>1064586
I started trading with someone else's money... on a grad scheme at a trading arcade/prop firm

spent a couple of months on a sim then went live

>>1064591

you have studied finance ?

>>1064596
nope

math - though some people on the same intake studied finance... bear in mind this was a decade ago

>>1064573
you don't always need a broker to trade...

i can't even continue reading the rest of that post...

>>1064605

what's your opinion about CFD (contract for difference)?

this is a good product for a beginner in trading, with a little capital ?

how to win in forex:

>don't panick when looking at the 1m chart
>use the 2% of all your money
>don't trade too much in the same day
>if you lose a trade or two, don't trade in that day
>never choose your position based on the 5m or 1m chart
>don't look at the money but the percentages
>always trade with the large term trend

>never go against the trend

>>1064605
*bare in mind...

that sort of opportunity isn't readily available these days as most of the low hanging fruit has now gone - the obvious futures strategies have been automated.. it is still possible to make money, my returns are technically very high in % terms... (in another thread this provoked some retard to start banging on about index funds etc..) but basically no one is likely to fund you or spend time training you to attempt this

your best bet if you want to learn to trade and aren't joining a bank on a grad scheme is to apply to options marketmaking firms such as optiver, imc, mako, liquid capital... or one of the various similar firms in Chicago

>>1064578
do you know what a dark pool is?

>>1064619
you need someone to clear your trades...

humuor me then - you pay for this software... who is going to provide you with access to the exchange and clear your trades for you? an intermediary of sorts... oh that's right a broker/clearer...

>>1064630
holy shit youre retarded.

you can literally trade directly with people. you don't even need software to do it.

>>1064623

>the trend never lies

>>1064626
yes, in fact you can route orders to them via that nice software we're talking about...

and do you understand how an order book works, how people connect to an exchange?

>>1064632
you're talking about software you numpty...

that's OK, you don't seem to know what you're talking about so call me a retard? Well done...

>>1064637
do you understand what a market maker is?

>>1064639
>ok, you need a broker, still

I'm not the one that said that.

>>1064621
I don't think it is a good idea to trade with little capital

CFDs are perhaps useful in the UK in order for a retail trader to trade equities short term and avoid stamp duty/use leverage, you don't have the same issue with stamp duty trading US equities and leverage is already available

though CFDs where the supposed 'broker' just quotes you a two way price are inherently a bit dubious - you really want access to the orderbook - IG Markets provides this and interactive brokers do too - interactive brokers are cheaper AFAIK (check both the overnight rates and commissions)

>>1064641
you don't really know what you're saying

>with that platform, you're not trading with a retail broker, but in the actual exchange.

>>1064647
that is what you posted initially

you seeme to be unaware that you still need a broker to access the exchange, paying for different software doesn't change that

>>1064647

>>1064573

>no, you'll need a broker still

Only responding to what you've said.

>>1064656
have you figured out that you do in fact still need a broker/clearer to connect to an exchange? even when you pay for nice new software?

>>1064660
and what about physically trading on the floor? are you literally going to tell me, that in order to trade on the floor, that i need a guy standing right next to me as i tell him which instrument and which price to transact at?

>>1064660
i mean the fucking broker mentioned here literally is a fucking program to circumvent fucking brokers you god damned fucking retard

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>>1064660
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=direct+access+trading

>Direct-access trading is a technology which allows stock traders to trade directly with market makers or specialists, rather than trading through stockbrokers.

how can people literally be this fucking stupid

>>1064667
we're not talking about a trading floor, we're talking about that super software you didn't even know the name of earlier... but which you spouted a bunch of waffle about

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>>1064681
>getting this fucking #rekt

>>1064619
in the us unless you are a broker you need a broker to get to the exchange

look up the market access rule, in particular the section on "naked" access. even the elite hedge funds and HFT shops who are NOT also broker dealers need a broker to access any equity venue in the us

hell even most HFT shops who are brokers pay bigger ones to be their clearing broker so they don't have to deal with a bunch of back office bs

>>1064674
you are indeed stupid and you seem to be getting angry because you don't actually understand the subject you're trying to argue about - namely you don't really understand how your order is routed to the exchange..

I asked you earlier - how do you think your order is cleared if you don't have a broker - your lack of an answer is clear now - you didn't understand the question.

you've now used google and confused yourself further:

>>1064678

yup, trading electronically, interacting with the exchange orderbook, or with specialists etc.. (depending on the exchange) means you don't have to phone up a broker and speak to them on the phone... welcome to 15 years ago...

you still need a broker - you can't just plug in some software and connect to the exchange.. you need your trades to be cleared, you need a broker with a relationship with the exchange to do that, they need to risk manage you... else what is stopping you from buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stocks you can't afford... you don't seem to understand this - instead you've found some line about avoiding brokers, misunderstood it and you're calling me a retard?

>>1064678
normally its referred to as DMA (direct market access), but market makers and specialists are also brokers

anyway if you send your order to a market maker there is a very high chance they will internalize your order and you will never even see the exchange

>>1064683
hardly - go read up on the subject you're making yourself look stupid... calling people retard when you don't actually know what you're talking about yourself is rather speshul

see this post too:

>>1064688

maybe answer the question I asked you earlier:

>>1064573
>no, you'll need a broker still - who is going to clear your trades for you?

do you understand the question? It seems like you don't because you wouldn't be carrying on with the silly statements you're making

>>1064702
what question did you ask me earlier?

>>1064693
look, bro, you can trade without connecting to an exchange.

>be me
>have psychical fucking shares
>know someone else that wants shares
>offer shares at X
>they haggle for Y
>we settle for x.5
>i hand the paper over, he hands the paper over

Are you literally telling me I'm not allowed to sell my shares?

>>1064698
well the marketmakers in the case of that quote the other poster was using are marketmakers on some stock exchanges that don't have orderbooks open to everyone... rather than say a CFD marketmaker offering its own parallel market away from the exchange... so he'd still need a broker/clearer to deal with them

>>1064705
I didn't - that was aimed at the other poster - your post was just referenced as you're also pointing out to him that he'd need a broker

>>1064710
agree he'd still need some type of clearing broker, just pointing out that his logic was flawed from the beginning

that has nothing to do with the software being discussed or trading on an exchange

>>1064714
semantics is very important here.

>>1064717
in reference to >>1064706

>>1064719
they are and you clearly don't get it. look up the market access rule then come back to this thread

>>1064721
>>1064722

you do NOT need a broker, nor an exchange, to trade. trades need to be cleared if transacted on an exchange.

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>>1064721
you do realize this is a copy pasta thread, right?

it's posted every single day.

>>1064728
what does that have to do with the software being discussed?

>>1064728
or an ECN/ATS

if you want to trade shares for cash physically go for it

>>1064735
>>1064728

any platform designed to facilitate trading would be considered an ATS, so if the software connected you to one or provided it themselves there would be a broker in the middle

>>1064733
im dfd here, you seem like a good guy hopefully i'll see you around more

>>1064739
I think it might be sinking in... thought he seems to be changing the subject to try and point out that some private deal between two buddies doesn't need to be cleared... which is rather irrelevant

>>1064743
I've posted in a couple of these threads, problem is you get a few posters who don't seem to really understand the topics they're posting about and then go off on some big rant if corrected on anything

>>1064745

see
>>1064732

this thread is literal copy pasta. why do you think you're going to get anything serious in this thread?

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I'm here from Alaska posting more wins for this week.

>>1065163

greed is good ?

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greed is eternal

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Now I'm in position for another win ;)

>>1065223

you take how many position per day ?

>>1065234
Depends sometimes I won't even trade for a week if I don't think I'm going to make money. Sometimes I'll tradw 6 times in a hour. Depends on the zen of the market

>>1065252

forex.com authorize scalping ?

>>1065223
>shorting the dollar
>ever

>>1065163
kek

this guy again...

>>1064751
>why do you think you're going to get anything serious in this thread?

no reason why you can't... but if we get people like you who don't know what they're talking about filling the thread up with shitposts then the thread becomes pretty useless

>>1065529
the entire premise of the op is a troll
>lets run 100 into 1k, withdraw, rinse and repeat
>lets never actually run our money up to 1k, withdraw 100, and freeroll literally the rest

>>1065223
this chart right here
im looking at the 4h chart of usd.jpy, and those candles are nowhere near close to what I see.
the first three candles have a high of 118.94, with the last one having a high of 119. the first candle opened much higher, while the second one closed much lower. you don't have an honest broker.

>>1065736
Usd didn't even break into 119 last night it stopped at 118.880. Then it sank all the way to 118.575 I raked in another couple thousand. If my broker (forex.com) is dishonest? Why do I keep making money? I know the spread is different because forex.com makes money off the spread but I kept a good margin level and I still profited more in 2 hours than a full week of being wagecuck so :) I'm very happy

>>1065270
They make money off the spread so Im sure they dont mind. I don't always scalp but I'm more profitable than not and they don't seem to mind that I'm still playing with the houses money on all my accounts.

>>1065840

not with those babylots you didnt lmao

>>1065861
I have more than 8 accounts

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lol wins

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Holy shit!!!!!! Right after I took profit I reversed position and didn't set a stop loss and usd jpy rocketed to over 120 I just doubled almost all my account!!!!!!!!!

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Damn that was awsome I just raked in mad cash guess I'm going to have money to spend in Hawaii on my rich grandpas sailboat after all lol ;)

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Right now I'm waiting for the low then I'll buy again. Anyone have any good guess on where the floor might be on this one?

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I'd say we might go to 123 again and after that we enter bear country

[email protected]

-I wanna make you biz cucks rich
-alaskafag

>>1066580
>I just doubled almost all my account


So you have poor money management, imagine that you have been in the opposite direction, you have lost half of your capital on 8 your accounts ?

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>>1066631
Nope! I took profit! Waited for a signal for the trend to reverse and I saw the signal candle placed a trade with over 2000% margin level. Then when the big green boner got even bigger I placed more orders and a take profit and raked in mad cash. Just placed a withdrawal to bank account can't wait to get that sweet cash. And even if it agent the wrong way I would have had over 2000% margin to start with so I would have been able to wait it out and take a small loss. ;) I know what I'm doin that's why im Bonn at this. But Im having some trouble trying to play dota2 every time I get to the loading screen it crashes :( it's really messin up my life right now. I

there is a half hour, there has been a huge bearish downtrend on EUR / USD (loss of 80 pips in a matter of 60 seconds), then it's back as if nothing had happened.

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>>1066631
Seeee now if it was a losing trade I started out with a super high margin % so see how the wave came back? That would be what I was waiting for so I can take a smaller loss without blowing out my account and gear up for a more profitable position or I can wait until tomorrow and take profit. THATS CALLED BADASS MONEY MANAGEMENT!!! That's why I'm a forex tradeing pizza loving dota2 playing NEET Alaskan 4chan loving mofucker I told you I'd post my wins! I told you I'd make 10% a month 3 weeks ago and post in these threads and guess what!!! I've already made 158% since I said that and the fucking month isn't even over mwahahahahaha!

>>1066666
>THATS CALLED BADASS MONEY MANAGEMENT

yes, on your 8 demo account !!!

>>1066666
>made 158%

158% now and -900% in 6 next month !

>>1066684
Nah I'm to good to lose -900 I would stop before I lost even 59% I keep my margin level high so I just have to be patient and confident and not emotional and I make money duuuuh

>>1066693

did you read some good books on the trading ?

>>1066666
>made 158%

with all that money, you'll be able to buy you a new tablet to play dota2

>>1066697
No never. Got most of my experience tradeing from btc-e was hedging there for a while and someone told me about forex in 2013 after Bitcoin crashed! Forex volatility is perfect for me I love it! It's great and I move funds from forex to Bitcoin from Bitcoin to forex often and I always diversify into other cryptos! And it all started from tradeing items in dota2 and team fortress;)

>>1066707
>into other cryptos


this is legal ?

>>1066703
I just bought the fucking tablet! I have a laptop I can use but the tablet was for on the go and shit! I'm pissed cuz dota2 just stopped working I'm reinstalling it for the third time if this doesn't work then I'll have to play on my laptop

>>1066711
Yes it's legal I'm in th usa! Any profit I make in cryptos I have to claim as a digital asset or whatever but I'm in cryptos for the long haul I'll cash those out in like 2020

Btw I'm done tradeing for the week so I'll post some wins maybe next Tuesday eh?

>>1066600
>[email protected]

How many persons have contacted you on this email adress ?

you have a girlfriend ?

>>1065840
forex.com is dishonest

>>1066734

you use what broker ?

>>1066728
>>1066734
>>1066754
I use forex.com and fxcm. They do things differentlybso I use both. The spread and order book is different and that's why the charts are different but they are not dishonest. They give me my money when I ask for it they close my positions when I close them. They are both good brokers in my opinion. I don't have a gf. I don't see how that's relavant. I do produce a group of teenage dj girls and they are all very hot and they have hot friends and I go out with them and invite them over but no serious relationship. No girl is worth it but if I met a girl who I really liked I'd put the effort in. No one has contacted me on that email but i made it specifically to find people on 4chan who want me to make them money! Why the fuck not? No sweat of my back I just push buy or sell at the right time! You can call me forex4chan and I'll make you money ;)

>>1066754
i use tos

why do you guys want to waste your time trading forex when you can just buy ethereum?

>>1066801
>ethereum

a new sect ?

>>1066796
you trade on what market ?

you earn a lot of money ?

what's your capital ?

>>1066801
Lol alaskafag here! Don't worry 5% of my wins here today will go to cryptos and you can be sure I'll be investing in the top 20 coins including ethers

>>1066796
Think or swim is cool if use it on a pc but I use metrader 4 just for the phone mostly so no matter where I'm at im ready. With think or swim you have to connect to a brokers server. As with any tradeing station.

>>1066820
>cryptos

you trade cryptos on what website ?

>>1066827
Many websites! Like I said I started tradeing in the video game second life and dota2 and team fortress then moved to Bitcoin 2012 and traded on btc-e in 2013 then learned about forex there in the trollbox when I was hedging cryptos after the crash. That's when the mt gox can't get your coins they are gone Bitcoin is 200 bucks and five minutes later it's 140 then it's back to 700 in a hour lol! That was good stuff. Forex is much more exciting especially once you get REAL money in. Once your doing 5 digit account the fucking rush and high you get turning it into a 6 digit account is unparalleled to any drug you could take! Btw steam just fixed a bug a couple hours ago I'm able to play dota 2 again!!!! Bitcoin is a buy and hold game for me now it's impossible to know what cryptos are doing except long term to the moon lol!!! Don't put all your eggs in one basket! But ether buy oil stocks on one account. Short term short sell oil on another. Do spot gold. Buy stocks! Trade stocks! Mine cryptos! Start an ice cream truck buisness ( I've got one tax free) ;) and open an account tradeing forex then open another where I trade for you! Once you got so much money places you bound to succeed eventually just nurture them and do your best to make all your investments grow!

>>1065736
maybe it is maybe it isn't... but you are also pretty ignorant on the subject and still decided to argue for several posts over something you clearly didn't understand

>>1067235
semantics is very important here
i very clearly stated that you don't need a broker to trade. fact is, you don't. simple as that.

>>1066580

you bought at the top you cuck lmao

>>1067255
no you should probably go back and re-read the posts... in particular the ones where you seemed to think paying for some software meant you didn't need to use a broker or that brokers weren't required for DMA...

>>1067255
having a basic understanding of what you're arguing about is rather important... but you're also lacking reading comprehension:

>>1064573

as a retail trader, if you want to trade on an exchange, you need a broker regardless of buying a subscription for some software

>>1067303
yes, paying almost 2k a month for data is the same as not having to have a broker to trade shares with another person...

amazing reading comprehension. /biz/ literally needs to be shut down.

>>1067305

i was never talking about being a retail trader trading on an exchange. i simply stated that you don't need a broker to trade. if i wanted to privately sell my physical shares, then i have the right to do so.

>>1067313
no one was talking about privately transferring shares, you just brought that up after you made a bunch of stupid posts about how supposedly using software meant you didn't need a broker or how direct access trading meant you didn't need a broker etc...

your posts are still here at the start of the thread and are complete nonsense - there isn't much you can do to defend that, you posted rubbish and illustrated that you don't know what you're talking about

>>1067322
>with that platform, you're not trading with a retail broker, but in the actual exchange.
>>1064554


You know when I said this, I was meaning that you aren't directly trading WITH the broker? As in, he's the broker AND the market maker? Not just matching your trade up with someone else? As in a bucket shop?

>>1067362
explain this post then:

>>1064678

in reply to me pointing out you still need a broker to connect to an exchange... you went and used google and confused yourself...

>>1067366
>rather than trading through stockbrokers

What part of that are you having trouble comprehending?

>>1067368
the whole post itself... I make a factually correct post:

>>1064660

and you reply with that garbage...

do you now understand that even when using additional software... you'll still need a broker/clearer to trade on an exchange?

do you understand that you'll need someone to clear your trades still (we're not talking about you privately transferring some shares to a friend here but trading on an exchange or ECN)

I get upset every time I see this picture. Please stop using it.

>>1067255
But you do need a broker for leverage. But you don't need one to trade if you already have 10 million.

>>1067280
No I didnt I bought at the bottom and placed .02 lots as it when up and closed them as it whent up. It's how I trade. I do lots and lots of little micro trades during a trend so if I run out of margin it only closes a couple positions but I still have more to gain from ;) the picture just shows my last two trades before I closed but I did something like 30 trades. I had to close them BECAUSE making money was more important than posting on /biz/ but I still posted the last 2 before I closed

>>1067370
https://www.tradeking.com/trading-stocks/trading-without-a-broker

please prove me wrong
you can be your OWN broker, bro.
it IS the CURRENT YEAR after all

>>1067468
you really are retarded... do you understand what marketing is?

that is an online broker you muppet!

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>>1067479
why are you so easy

>>1067492
you're so clueless... trying to pretend you were trolling earlier that you've been shown to be clueless is a bit dumb considering you were still trying to defend your retarded posts recently

>>1067653
you still haven't proven me wrong bro

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>>1063541
bumped for great justice

need more dank strategies/indicators brehs

>>1067895
proved you wrong about what - you still think that an individual trader can trade on an exchange or ECN without a broker/clearer?

>>1068902
either this is an elaborate troll thread or he is so deluded about how the market works that he will never listen to the facts

> i read flash boys and now i know everything about trading

>>1068979
I think he's just deliberately posting nonsense now because he got called out on it earlier

>>1068902
prove to me that you need a broker to trade. not on an exchange, not on a floor, not through a retail broker. just simply that it's illegal to privately transfer shares for monetary compensation.

though, im sure you could show me your portfolio and you'd be a winner, right?

>>1069154
no one is talking about privately transferring shares you spaz, you're the only one who has brought that up after making a few naive posts

the initial posts were about some trading software, that you didn't even know the name of but then proceeded to make a bunch of claims about....

so you do understand that you still need a broker/clearer to trade on an exchange?

>>1069417
do you understand that you don't need a broker to trade?

reminder of the following:

>>1064554
>with that platform, you're not trading with a retail broker, but in the actual exchange.

you still need a broker to do that and with that software it will likely be a retail one!

then getting confused by google here:
>>1064678

then getting confused by marketing here:
>>1067468

and you occasionally point out that you don't need a broker to privately transfer shares to someone you know... well no shit... that is completely irrelevant - the posts are about your claims re: some trading software not transferring some shares from Granddad's portfolio

>>1069421
you can transfer shares privately by agreement with another person if you like - that has nothing to do with anything that anyone else has discussed in here... it certainly has nothing to do with the trading software you were making various claims about

do you now admit you'll still need a broker/clearer to use that software?

>>1069429
when I said you're not trading with a retail broker, what I meant is that you're not trading WITH the broker. As in, market making. how retarded can you be?

like brokers don't have to load your risk up and then offload it, you can directly trade, using a broker to match the trades up, with a market maker. you don't need the broker to buy the shares from.

>current year
>not getting the joke

>>1069437
you can backtrack all you like but my posts were factually correct - you then took issue with them

you demonstrated a complete lack of understanding with the waffle you posted in your first posts and you made a bunch of claims about some software you didn't even know the name of until I posted it

perhaps you should try to be more coherent in future as you've filled up this thread with a whole load of nonsense

>>1069442
so you do agree that brokers are not always market makers?

>>1069447
brokers aren't marketmakers

those are two completely different roles - some FX bucket shops call themselves call themselves 'brokers' but they're essentially making their own parallel market

>>1069450
the software in question is used by people to connect, to retail brokers or used in day trading firms etc..

it has nothing to do with agreeing to transfer shares between someone you know, before you start getting side tracked by that

it doesn't give you any additional features from the exchange itself either - before you start waffling about showing 100 but buying at 95 etc..

it also doesn't cost much - you don't require 'serious money' to use it

>>1069450
>brokers aren't marketmakers

before you get side tracked on this, yes plenty of firms do both - for example interactive brokers was set up by an options marketmaker and with smart routing turned on you can get a better price when orders are sometimes routed and matched internally rather than passed through to the exchange - customers can confiure this

also institutional OTC markets are rather different too where dealers will take on inventory risk - but those have little relevance to retail trading

>>1069456
you've never seen disguised orders?

>>1069484
perhaps you can expand on what you're referring to exactly:

reminder I posted this:

>you do realize how an exchange works??? while you can play around with how you route orders you don't get any special order types simply by purchasing different software

you replied with:

>you can put on the books that you want to buy at 100, but really, you're buying at 95. everyone else will see 100, not 95, as the price on the books.

>then there's dark pools.

>and yes, where you're routing to.

>with that platform, you're not trading with a retail broker, but in the actual exchange.
are you referring to orderbook spoofing on an exchange? are you referring to execution algos? there are lots of ways to break up an order or try to optimise execution... what you originally posted though wasn't coherent and doesn't make sense - you might want to expand on it using complete sentences

>>1069498
Lol can't wait for forex to open tomorrow at 1pm alasks time forex=life

Anon idk why your wasting time with this cuck he's s fool

>>1069498
>put order of 100 at 100
>order pops up on book
>but you actually put order of 1000 at 90
>doesn't show up on book

What do you not understand?

>>1069610
>calling me the cuck here LOLololreoarleajfiltrjao b esai
HSHAHAHAHFHDSAFKLHDSAFH

>>1069629
>you might want to expand on it using complete sentences

I don't think you actually trade - you've read some things but you're not quite sure how they work

>>1069629
actually - is English not your first language, that could explain a few things here

>>1069639
>>1069640
>ad homs

Nice argument.

>>1069668
no it was a straightforward question as your statements are rather confused

I can guess at what you're referring to but your posts are still confused/muddled

for example are you referring to routing to a dark pool - in which case the bid at a higher price on the exchange makes no sense

try to actually explain what you meant by:

>you can put on the books that you want to buy at 100, but really, you're buying at 95. everyone else will see 100, not 95, as the price on the books.

using complete sentences... break it down, where are you buying at 95?

>>1069679
>where are you buying at 95

You said it. 95. How can you be SUCH A DUMMY?! (bing bing)

>>1069684
>where are you buying at 95?

on an exchange?

>>1069684
I do have to ask again, is English your first language?

>>1069691
well, you can't put orders on a book without going through an exchange...

>>1069696

Do you not understand English?

>>1069698
>well, you can't put orders on a book without going through an exchange...

yes

so lets look again at your claim:

>>you can put on the books that you want to buy at 100, but really, you're buying at 95. everyone else will see 100, not 95, as the price on the books.

how is your order, that is on an order book, at an exchange, not visible?

try to explain what you meant with complete sentences, it might make sense to you in your head but you're avoiding any details which indicates you're lacking some understanding here

>>1069705
tell me why you can't see dark pools...

>>1069698
You've ruined the thread with this bullshit. I don't know why people are wasting time on you, you're clueless.

>>1069715
>this wasn't a shit thread to begin with

>>1069711
lol

this is why I asked you to explain what you were referring to in complete sentences...

I asked you here is the order at 95 was on an exchange:

>>1069691


now you're talking about dark pools...

make your mind up

English is your second language isn't it? Or perhaps you're dyslexic? Next time try to explain what you mean a bit more carefully, your post might have made sense in your head but it was actually pretty ambiguous and even when you've expanded on it after some probing it is still a rather confused scenario. I'm guessing you've not had much practical experience of this (you seemed to think the software mentioned required 'serious money' etc.. and didn't now what it was called). I'm guessing maybe you've read just Flash Boys or something and now think you know what you're talking about... that would explain your inability to actually put in any detail.

>100% gains

>>1069715
you're right, it probably is a bit pointless

>>1069722
already done did talked bout dem dere dark pools

>>1069743
yup... this is pointless, if you can't even communicate what you're trying to argue for then you're a waste of time

>>1069787
you clearly understand what im saying, though. otherwise, you'd have to be completely retarded. like, im sure your mom dropped you or something retarded.

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>>1066836

How quickly you grow (with prudence) an account from 2000 dollars to 4000 dollars ?

have you lost an account of your customers ?

Or all your 8 accounts are positive ?

>>1069808
no, you're just waffling, I can only guess at what you think you're saying and your inability to expand on it or go into any detail illustrates that you don't really have much understanding of this area

>>1069846
>waffling

Speak English, bruv.

>>1069869

He's saying that you're full of shit and I'm inclined to agree.

You're the one that needs to 'speak' english.

Bruv is not a word. dem and dere are not words.

If you speak like an idiot, I will just write you off as one instead of trying to translate your writing into English

It's your prerogative to write in a way that lets us understand your points, not ours to learn ebonics so we can talk to someone who, with all likelyhood, as nothing of worth to say

>>1069874
>ebonics
>clearly never seen a texan before

>>1070001
This a thread for bread makers/earners, we do not enjoy your presence and exacerbate the purpose of this thread.

Please leave and contribute to a level that speaks to your language and understanding along with the endorsement of other upset users of your childish behaviors.
>>1069869
>>1069715
>>1069787

>>1070782
>this thread is only for earners

Don't kid yourself. LOL.

>i've ruined a literal troll thread

Complete dumbfucks.

Forex is more now open I'll look for some entry points and post some wins. Right now I'll bullish on usd jpy and a little bearish on eur usd

bumped for the forex f a m

>>1071192
>bullish on negative interest rates

Okay, guy.

this thread accept only long term winner on the forex and CFD market.

>>1071655
Yes if you see the charts I'm posting im bullish on usd/jpy not jpy/usd notice>>1066666
So it depends on what side your on and your point of view.

>>1063541
stop posting this fucking thread every day

>>1067377
me too

>>1071002
most of the garbage in the thread has come from you, next time perhaps don't post so much about things you don't really understand

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>>1071655
More wins from your anon from Alaska :)

>>1071938
you didn't clarify that it was the pair. you only stated you were bullish on both usd and jpy...

>>1072246
btw you leave a lot of money on the table

>>1072578

he said he was bullish on usd jpy

FX is traded in pairs you numpty, quite obvious what he was referring to

>>1072579
I leave a lot of money on the table?
Is this a gambling reference?
Please explain what you mean by this

>>1072997
he believes you could have made more from your trades

given that he didn't understand that this statement from you:

>Right now I'll bullish on usd jpy and a little bearish on eur usd

was a reference to the pair usd/jpy and the pair eur/usd, I wouldn't pay too much attention to his criticisms

>>1072613
yes, usd jpy actually isn't usd/jpy... surprising i know...

>>1072997
instead of letting price go down and then start shorting, try building your short position from a higher price...

>>1073098

reminder again he said the following:

>Right now I'll bullish on usd jpy and a little bearish on eur usd

how could you read that as not being about his views re: two pairs(USDJPY and EURUSD) given he mentions USD twice in the same line?

>>1073164
cause i stopped reading at usd jpy...
immediately had to post my thoughts on that bit right there. maybe if the guy had actually used the proper pair terminology (usd/jpy) i wouldn't have stopped reading his post half way through.

bumping for a serious lack of dank indicators/strategies

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>>1073098
No..... I have to manage margin% appropriately.I took profit again now I gear up for maybe another trade

>>1073673
quick question: is the forex.com margin amount based on the total you have in the account OR is it based on the lot size you trade with?

i ask that in the general sense, not necessarily based on how you change it up btw.

>>1073717
I'm pretty sure both lot size and amount in account effect your margin

>>1073730
i noticed that it would tend to change as i had more money in my demo account with forex.com. at a 200,000 lots size, it would generally be between what looked like 9% to 11% of the total account. is that about right? also, i noticed there was an option to change your margin with a live account. how does that work?

>>1073584
you're chasing the wrong thing - markets are constantly changing... the game is analysing data and finding edges then trading them for as long as they're profitable

some people might do this through technical analysis and charts... if you want to be more rigorous about it then you want access to the raw price data yourself to analyse using R, Matlab, Python or whatever you're comfortable... Learn statistics/time sereis analysis. Get some inspiration from some of the ideas behind the less dubious areas of Technical Analysis and be a bit more rigorous in applying them.

>>1073673
you're a fucking retard

>no, i must leave money on the table, for margins....

>>1074042
given your earlier posts you're in no position to call anyone a retard in this thread

>>1074082
okay, bro.

>i dont want to build a short position at a higher price because of margin
>that's not retarded

>>1069421
Please Elaborate.

>>1074042
But I'm the one winning trades on multiple accounts and for clients. So I'm the retard. At the end of this year I'll be one year away from being a millionaire doing this sooooo :/ whatever dude

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>>1073673
did you make some sweet usd/jpy gains today anon?

>>1074610
No I didn't trade yet was busy today I'm waiting for the floor then I'll find the resistance point then maybe enter tomorrow unless I find the floor sooner it might be 119.200 or lower

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>>1074610
Here's the floor for now

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3 weeks in a row posting over 10% gains a week dedicated to everyone who thinks you can't make a living tradeing forex

[email protected]

>>1073832
>>1073730
please respond breh

>>1075296
I'm not sure what your asking

>>1075295
I'm very jaded, but at this point you sound very much like the kid who goes to the casino, wins a few times on Blackjack and comes home saying it's how he's going to get rich.

And you know, maybe you will. Equally, maybe you'll lose the shirt off your back. If you win, you'll be saying "I told you so" for the rest of your life. If you lose you'll convince yourself you were so, so close and it could have worked out.

But from our perspective you don't look wise, you look like you're falling into the honey trap so many have found themselves in before you.

>>1075300
well, lemme try splitting it up into 2 smaller questions

1. can you change your margin amount on a live forex.com account? if so, how does it work?

2. do you know what the default amount of margin you need to trade a particular pair is? if so, how much of it depends on lot size? how much of it depends on amount of money in the account?

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>>1075335
>And you know, maybe you will.

he wins ... for now, but the next January 15, 2015 ...- 900% !!!

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>>1063541
took me a few years of trial and error, dozens of blown demo accounts, hours of backtesting, a few blown live accounts, and i gave up on it several times and quit for weeks at a time (eventually coming back to it).

my strategy now is semi automated with my own EA (bot). i am currently running my EA on a eur/usd pair but i am also sandboxing my EA running on 6 correlated pairs (pic related).

i usually encourage my other forexbros to get into using an algo. either for placing trades, managing trades, or both. try something off the shelf like EquitySentry (manages open orders).
https://www.ea-coder.com/equity-sentry-free-mt4-ea/

>>1064114
>DAW
>Vidya
>Terminal
are you me?

>>1075402
here is the growth on my 6 pair sandbox. the EA is based on an indicator called "sliding channels".

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>>1075403

>>1075402
>a few blown live accounts


how many real money have you loss ?

>>1075407
1200$ across 5 accounts. obviously you dont put down big money till you can get a good track record with a low budget account.

>>1075363
1.Yes you can. By adjusting you lot size to tradeing smaller lots your margin % goes up

2.) I think it depends on money in your account. The currency being traded , and lot size can effect it to

>>1075839
Your welcome cool guy #1 now watch out there will be a floor get out while u can and wait to sell at higher price

>>1075851
Man it is taaaaaannnkkkkiiiing I bet floor is sub 116

>>1075747
i think i've seen you talk about using high % margins in trading. how does the margin % affect the trade? i noticed when i traded with 200,000 sized lots the margin % relative to the account total was about 9% to 11%. is that typical for that lot size?

>>1076324
lol you must risk a l ot of money dude and have a lot of money because thats some huge lot sized and i never go below 1000% margin level if i can

>>1077173
well, if you consider the fact that my wins are generally between 70-100 USD and generally last about 5-20 minutes to be 'huge' then i guess so.

>>1077232
Lol nah I thought you might be moving more than that. That sounds about the same as my trades. Idk 11% seems dangerously low. My broker closes positions at 100%

>>1077264
you mean the position gets closed when the value hits 100% of your margin total?

>>1077232
>70-100 USD
how much percent growth is that?

Are there any automated forex trading bots that actually work?

>>1080091
Not that I know of. I feel like it's never as simple as pressing a button sitting back and making money. There's so much more to it

>when people don't realize you don't have to have a retail broker be the counter-party to your trades

>>1063541

OP, I know your feel. Forex forums are their own phenomenon.

This is what I see- people treating speculation like its a bond fund. People who cant make things work the way they want, even when they are doing good, and telling others not to expect much based on their experience.

They say 99 percent lose money. Bullshit. Everyone loses. And everyone wins. The barrier to entry is low. So if 90 percent of humanity couldn't find its ass if it had a bell on it, why should you expect great numbers from forex? Of course most will lose because most people are fucking imbeciles with no balls.

Ive heard all sorts of bullshit. "You need 10k to begin. Never risk more than 1 percent. Dont expect more than 0.25 percent a day, or 5 percent a month."

So if you merge these common warnings together, you'd end up putting 10 large together just to risk 100 on a trade and expect no more than 25 bucks a day.

Its the internet. I get it. Honest, and theres nothing wrong with it. But see it for what it is- people posting on the internet. Internet forums are a combination of a magic 8 ball, an etch a sketch and the graffiti covered walls of an overpass.

And then there are these fucks who invoke 'trader psychology', on my top 10 list of people I'll put in front of a firing squad someday. They admit they have nothing to teach, just 'psychology'. Its always 'this works... unless it doesn't. This doesn't work... usually." Utterly worthless fucks who will waste your time. This are the cunts that make a fortune in a gold rush selling picks and shovels but cant tell you shit about the trade.

Half of the web tells you that you can make a fortune in a day, the other half assure you that there is no gold in those hills, they just like the view and refuse to leave it.

Yes, you can lose money. Its a discipline that is easy to mistake as gambling. Patience. Small, even token trades. And learning. For gods sake, have fun with it.

>>1080954

... When you are good at it, you will truly know, and your approach will change. There is nothing wrong with shooting for making it your income, but you dont give up your other income to do it until you know it. It is risk, not a mutual fund. Use the former to build the latter.

If you're not having fun with it, you're doing it wrong, that much I know. As for some spreadsheet view, forget it. When you want to know what your compound returns will be, its too soon to say. By the time you can honestly say, you wont care any more. Its a very 'today' and in the moment proposition.

Some people really are nice people but not cut out for it. God bless everyone of them, they keep hope alive for all of us. They just haven't found their niche.

But for all these people who 'lose money' and hang around forums drunk on despair, I firmly believe they just need patience, self respect and education. Desperation, self abasement has no place in it. If you fuck up, you find out why. The only failure is when you knowingly act against yourself. You can do everything right and still lose the game, champions do it every day. So all that sadsack shit I hear in fx forums can hit the bricks.

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>>1080977

If you can read, arent on crack, can use a mouse and keyboard and can tell up from down, goddammit there is no reason you cant learn what it takes to trade fx. Do you make it the primary component of your portfolio right away? Of course not. But it is a fun and educational start, and you decide your level of involvement.

But for gods sake, enough of these sadsacks I've been hearing lately. Occassionally I get emails from sites I joined years ago, and when I visit, I read these forums and all these poor souls clamoring for a positive word, and all they get is replies from other terrified despondent people. Its awful.

They never stop to think about why they are all in the forums and who they are getting opinions from.

Im not rich OP. Ive had losses. Ive had a lot of gains. More all the time. And most of all, I have fun. I refuse to let the chase, the game, the pursuit, whatever you want to call it dictate my enjoyment of the day.

I want you to succeed OP, and I want you to enjoy doing it too. Health, time, attention, and THEN money. Remember to choose your wants carefully, even the buddhists know they end up controlling us if we aren't careful.

And if you need some psychology, ignore the fx whacks. The only good legit instructor I know of on the web is Richard Krivo and Thomas Long. If you want mental tuning, get some Tony Robbins (no, serious- his older general stuff is pretty good; I cant get into his health and finance stuff though).And Krivo has his own yt channel

Here have a TR link

And good luck!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbxJQpPKygU

>>1080954

in any game you should be playing to win, but amateur traders say they have set aside x amount of capital and are expecting to lose it

>>1080979

Not OP but that was an awesome write up, good job

>>1080479
a retail 'broker' acting as a counterpart isn't really a broker

use an actual retail broker - like interactive brokers...

what fx broker is good?

>>1080979
GTFO.

>>1081008
How is it "awesome"? It's just feel-good garbage from some fantasist that takes Tony Robbins seriously.

Usd jpy going up

This is the most poppin thread on biz yo

This is alaska guy. I havnt placed any trades yet I'm waiting to sell at a higher price. I think usd/jpy will reach 119.800 or more any thoughts?

>>1081069

see:

>>1064124

:)

>>1075402
>i usually encourage my other forexbros to get into using an algo.

How complex is the math in algo trading? As a programmer I'd love to get into this but I've been told the math is very inaccessible.

>>1083343
>How complex is the math in algo trading? As a programmer I'd love to get into this but I've been told the math is very inaccessible.

to do what the other anon is doing - not very... he's building EAs using off the shelf software aimed at retail traders... and making use of technical analysis which is popular partly because it isn't very mathematical

on the other hand if you were to take some of the ideas from technical analysis and apply them a bit more rigorously using more robust methods from statistics, signal processing etc.. - i.e. the sort of thing the PhDs at various large CTAs do... well that then becomes rather more mathematical

>>1083868
also this is generally called 'systematic trading'

algo trading tends to refer more to execution algos used at sell side firms... i.e. breaking down large orders to avoid moving the market etc...

>>1083871
you'd also perhaps refer to the marketmaking carried out by those firms as algo trading