Getting Billed For Not Meeting My End of a Deal

Dont pay it.

Send them a letter back with the invoice and say you are disputing it.

If you didnt sign a contract with them then they cant do shit.

Disclaimer: im not a lawyer, but it's what i would do in this situation.

>>1036131
I think you can actually sue them for paying you less than minimum wage/hiring you without proper documentation. Regardless of what they were giving you off of your rent.

Send them a bill for 312$ to cover the harm they gave you from food poisoning

>>1036131
>If you didnt sign a contract with them then they cant do shit.

This.

You don't owe them shit, but it looks like you lost a lot of future business because you're a giant fucking pansy.

>>1036144
I am under contract.

>>1036148
I agreed to do the first several for free with the understanding that they were expecting me to do them and that it needed to get done. As far as the $20 per building per snowfall, I can get the buildings each done in less than an hour so it's not less than minimum wage.

>>1036157
You should've gone to where the Mexicans hang out (Home Depot or 7/11) and paid one to do it for you while you were sick

>>1036131
>Am I obligated
Yes. I'm not going to tell you what to do because I'm not your lawyer, but you're absolutely liable for their damages including the reasonable cost of them hiring a replacement service. And that'll apply going forward too.

>>1036144
>If you didnt sign a contract with them then they cant do shit
He did sign a contract, and it wouldn't matter anyway. Oral contracts like this are binding too.
>Disclaimer: im not a lawyer
Then don't respond to threads asking for legal advice.

>>1036148
>I think you can actually sue them for paying you less than minimum wage/hiring you without proper documentation
Nice troll post, or were you being serious? What do wage laws have to do with the service contract he signed? He's not their employee.

>>1036149
>Send them a bill for 312$ to cover the harm they gave you from food poisoning
Best post in the thread, including my own.

>>1036186
Yeah, I think I'm going to call, apologize for the inconvenience, and pay the bill. It sucks because I'll spend much of the winter making back what I'm paying them in the first place.

>>1036186
I would still just not pay it. I have been in similar situations in the past and have got away with not paying and disputing the invoice.

I mean what are they gonna do? Take him to small claims over £200?

>>1036193
Dont do it you mug

Take it from a fellow small businessman. Just dont pay it. They cant sur you for money you dont have.

The worst thing they can literally do is take you to small claims and the judge makes you pay it back $20 a week.

Dont listen to ihaz hes not in the same game as us.

>>1036195
>>1036198
There has to be some form of redress they can take. Also, it doesn't say that I'll pay for other people to do it but it does say in the contract that if it snows more than 2" that I'm responsible for getting it done.

>>1036200

You could go this route but it would probably fuck with your credit score having a successful claim against you

>>1036193

Consider it a lesson learned, next time you enter a contract like this you'll be more careful

>>1036206
For sure.

>>1036200
>Dont listen to ihaz
Look dumbass, I never told him what to do or not to do. In fact, I specifically said that I couldn't give him strategy advice because I'm not his lawyer. I simply answered the question whether he's liable or not, and left it to him to make his own decision.

You're a weird little spazz.

>>1036209

Next time you get sick do this >>1036170

>>1036209
If you seriously think these twats will bother taking you to court over $300 you're not thinking straight.

If i recieved that invoice it would be going straight in the bin. And then id call them and literally tell them to fuck off.

>>1036215
Youre a silly man who thinks he knows everything.

>>1036219

Why though, you are clearly in the wrong. Why burn the bridge? Accept responsibility for your failure, make it right, learn a lesson and move on.

>>1036131
Do you still want their business and references? If so, pay them.

>>1036219
You don't think that the management of a bunch of apartment buildings wouldn't follow through? I feel like they probably don't have a problem going to court with anyone. Imagine someone not paying amonths rent and always being behind. They'd probably sue for that.

>>1036215

>I couldn't give him strategy advice because I'm not his lawyer.

Why do lawyers always use this hedge? I mean, it's implied or understood you're not his lawyer, especially to the person you're talking to. I have an acquaintance who has said something like this to me and was confused; it sounded like something you'd say to a potential client, not someone you've had beers with and whose wives are friends.

>>1036224
Bridge? Lol sometimes as a small business you have to tell people to fuck off with that kind of bs.

No one in their right mind is going to take some snow shovelling guy to court over $300 the judge will look dimly upon it and also take into account the defendants ability to pay. So good luck to them.

>>1036228

Because you can sue someone for giving you bad legal or financial advice if they represent themselves as qualified to do so

It costs nothing to type a quick disclaimer, and the potential cost of not doing so is massive

>>1036233
Sue someone who gave you anonymous advice on a chinese cartoon forum that probably lives in a foreign country?

>>1036239

It's unlikely, but it could happen, especially if you really are a lawyer. And it costs nothing to put IANYL at the end of a post so why not do it?

>>1036241
This. Rule 2 of lawyering.

>>1036241

Is this a concern for anyone who is not trained?

>>1036131
I would pay it.

>>1036254

If you ever give someone legal advice it is good practice

>>1036266
I am. I should have thought this through better before commiting myself and signing a contract. It's my fault and I should take responsibility.

>>1036268
itt people are shocked by risk management

ITT >>1036282 outs himself as gay

>>1036292
guilty as charged, women are a liability

makes sense that straight guys wouldn't understand risk management

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>>1036303

Please leave me out of your homosexual fantasies.

>>1036270
This op

but also, did they make any reasonable attempt to get multiple quotes? I mean that sounds like a lot more than what you were getting paid. They have to be fair, they can'l lump you with an expensive snow shovel service just cause its was the first one.

I would pay it, but at an amount deemed more appropraite.

Secondly, sounds like you should be charging more man.

>>1036131
So op, how's your coffee business?

>>1036357
It didn't look like I was going to much or any business at the time. When I made the offer of 5 free jobs and then $20 per building, I was kind of begging. I won't do that again though.

>>1036251
What's rule #1?

>>1036370
do not talk about lawyering.

>>1036131
>getting billed for not meeting my end of a deal
Yes and? That's what happens when you breach a contract.

>>1036432
I think I was just a little shocked when I realized how much I was paying. I'm going to be out there shoveling dutifully from now on. I can't afford that. Still. My bad and I'm going to pay.

>>1036186
nvm, i thought he said he wasnt under a contract

>>1036131
In my opinion, you should pay it. You had a contract and you didn't do anything to solve the problem, so do this to solve the problem. You will get business from them next year for being responsible and it will make up for it. I worked for a dealership where the owner would buy people phones or give free service if something was lost from the car. Weather it was lost at the dealership or not, because that is just a cost of business. We even had signs to remove all valuables from vehicles, but he still covered the cost of lost items. In return he had the customers come back and not choose a different dealer.

So you shoveled snow for 4 buildings free for five snowfalls and they have the audacity to charge you 312 dollars for missing a single snowfall when you were only earning 80 dollars per snowfall yourself?

Rofl. They just made it perfectly clear how underpaid you were.

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>>1036131
>>1036449
>LITERALLY paying to be allowed to work.

>>1036449
This OP dont fucking pay it.

Or be a little pussy bitch

>>1036449

He's not being underpaid, they paid someone $80+ 20 in cash to draw up an invoice for $312.

Good. Taught op a lesson. now he is a better worker

>>1036131
Pay it, next time you're sick, just drink a cup of man up and get to work, pussy.

pay it then next time fake injury and hire a semetic lawyer to sue them for millions

>>1036254

Applies to any qualified person talking about their field, even if not in a professional capacity. People have been successfully sued for off-hand advice they've given someone they met at a party, because that person knew that they had some kind of professional qualification in the area and followed the aforementioned advice without getting a proper consultation or second opinion. Professional liability is a thorny area.

>>1036642

I manage a company that does snow removal in winter and OP is vastly vastly underpaid. For someone to drive to a location with nothing other than a shovel, we bill it at $149, there is then a 100 an hour labor fee.

So if OP can get the 4 buildings (in a single location) done in <4 hours that would be roughly $449 give or take 15 minutes of labor.

To compare, we also do snow removal for a Home Depot in the area (not only parking lot and sidewalks, but the entire dock area, and brine everything) For me to send 2 loaders and a bobcat to that location for the average 2" snow fall, billing starts at 6k. Last year when Chicago had the Super Bowl blizzard 2 Home Depots, 3 Walmarts, and the CXI rail yard earned us a little over 80K per day (it was a 5 day snow event for us)

So yes OP, your pricing is extremely low. You are in the tier of homeless guys shoveling for food.

>>1036131
You entered into a contract where you offered your services below market value, there is no protection for this. Breach of contract makes you liable for the cost or damages incurred.

But the management knows that you must be almost homeless and unable to pay because you're shoveling buildings for $20. They probably plan to have you work off the money if you continue with them.

>>1036859
then their lawyer says there is no written contract and op is SOL

>>1036131
5 free? Are you kidding me.

And then it apparently cost them $312 for one week.

I would pay them back on the condition that they pay you $300 per job. And when they disagree get some muscle and go fuck them up just for being faggots

>>1036907
This

>>1036873
Hehehe, fucking US of A failing at basic justice. As usual.

If you're European don't worry about any of this: you can only be held responsible for your advice if you present it as a professional opinion, or if you're being paid for it and/or profit indirectly from the suggestion you made.

>>1036131
You shouldn't have sold yourself so cheap. Call around and ask other people in the business what they charge and work from that. If they don't like your prices then go somewhere else. Also, you don't sound that motivated if you laid out because you had food poisoning. If they didn't pay you anything then don't pay them.

Don't pay it, scrap the contract and dissolve the company

Pay it, cheapskate. You failed to meet your obligations and therefore are not immune from having to pay just because you got sick.

>>1036958
>the company
>he thinks OP actually registered a business instead of putting the responsibility onto himself personally
>business where owner is the only employee