Does /b/ believe in God?

I personally do

Imagine Infinite Spirit ever present with loving intelligence.

I do not.

Yeah we just don't agree with him

>>745474416
I don't either. Never saw a reason to believe.

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I believe that some almighty force does exist but those books written about him are a load of shit

>>745474445
Fucking this! OMG these simple words have brought enlightenment towards humanity!

Why would anyone worship any god that allows /b/ to exist?

Lol no

>>745474223
/b/ simultaneously believes everything and nothing.
We're a cross-section of every demographic out there.
Personally I haven't found a religion that I found convincing, but I might be one of the people who has a fault in the area connected with belief in their brains.

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>>745474445
Carl, is that you?

>>745474223
Imods...?are/ god?

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>>745474223
I mean, without a doubt there is something else out there, but written religion is bullshit.

>>745474755
edit: Hopefully GOD doesn't show me this and refuse entry to heaven. Also the 40TB of Cheese. He better have internet and not be a console fag.

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>>745474223
Does God believe in me?

no,since there isn't any evidence that he or anything supernatural exists

>>745474223

I do.

>>745474967
Without a single doubt?
Do you have something to substantiate that?
Personally I'm not against the idea of a god existing, I just find it highly unlikely. So doubt is the basis of my dis/belief.

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>>745474223
Personally? I don't find the concept of a god that created existence unfathomable. Existing within the confines of said creation however, I am unable to verify what is or is not tangible evidence for a creation by a divine being, as being limited only to that single creation, I lack the necessary components to quantify anything beyond said existence.

If you painted a picture, and what you painted suddenly came to life but was subject to only interact with what was on the canvas, would it be able to perceive you or know you, without having the slightest concept of anything beyond the canvas?

I would also wonder in infinite regress whom or what it was that created said god.

That being said, since this thread is about a specific god; no.

>>745474223
Here's the real thing though, what is the lose vs the gain, because if you don't believe and you're wrong you're fucked but if you believe and you're wrong nothing happens

I believe in god but I don't consider him worthy of worship.

>>745474223
No.

>>745475434
What if you believe in the wrong one?

Define god

>>745474223
i could believe in a universe spanning awareness but it wouldn't have thoughts like like we do, and it definitely wouldn't be like the cranky old dude described in the bible.

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I belive in Alluh

I definitely know and believe in God, Jesus Christ loves you and is closer than you can comprehend. Have you ever seen a miracle? I have. Prayed in Jesus name and this man was healed, it works by belief. He believed in Jesus, and by that belief he was healed!

I believe in meme lords

>>745474757

most likely no

There are no gods. You are a monkey on a rock waiting to die. Death is what you were before conception.

>>745475552
All abrahamic religions worship the same god

And I personally do believe

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>>745474223
Something that doesn't require magic and who isn't a dick, yes.

Give me a reason to believe in a good.

>>745475552
just go with Christianity then you'll be with the most people if you get fucked over

>>745475930
You're an app and your beliefs don't matter.

>>745475853
What if the abrahamic religions are wrong?
Also this isn't exactly true, allah and yahweh were gods side by side back when the middle east was polytheistic.

>>745476019
Ape not app. Same dif.

I don't. Probably the reason I don't is because my parents never forced anything into my brain.

>>745476065
Well, who knows then.

>>745475853
yes and each claim that you're going to hell for eternity of choose wrong,>>745475434
this is called Pascal's Wager it's a logical fallacy debunked a long time ago

>>745476065
They are wrong by default. Burden of proof is on them.

>>745475989
I'll stick with atheism. Thanks all the same.

>>745475950
why don't you look for one, you lazy bastard?
seriously

>>745476271
I don't need one. I am not subject to the same hubris as you are. You're an app on a rock and when you die you will be dirt.

>>745476408
APE NOT APP. Stupid machine.

>>745476190
I dunno man, if someone did know we'd all be part of that religion and enjoying whatever benefits being part of the right religion.
>>745476211
I agree.

>>745476554
the right religion has.*

>>745474223
It's bad luck to be superstitious.

>>745476408
Agnostic
Both the religious fanatics and militant atheists dont make sense to me

>>745474223
DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU

>>745476677
Sorry wrongquote

>>745476677
Agnostic is a qualifier though.
You can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist. It all comes down to whether you will claim to know of the non/existence of god or not.

>>745476677
these religious nutjobs are slowing down scientific advancement and the progress of our society just imagine how awesome a world without religion would be,this is why many atheists are militants

>>745475643
God in the traditional sense as in a Christian God. You can believe in a creator but not necessarily God

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Are you for real asking 4chan users if they believe in god?

>>745477230
So Christians want a monopoly on the word God?
That is some manipulative language use if I ever saw it.

>>745477597
Every theistic religions claim to have a monopoly on the truth of which god is real.

>>745477715
Sure, but they don't tend to monopolize the word god, they just claim theirs is the true one.

>>745474223
nope
nor do i believe in unicorns, fairies, or other mystical creatures

>>745477893
"allah" just means "god" in arabic
jews believe in the same god that christians do
that pretty much sums up the major monotheistic religions

>>745476677
https://youtu.be/R66r_XMoDkk

>>745478166
Allah was a moon god way back when though, yahweh was the sun god, I forget what yahweh's wife was called and what she was the goddess of though.

>>745477434
most murricans are indoctrinated since birth to believe in god
even after coming here, god is still burned into their brains

>>745476271
why don't you look for a reason to believe in leprechauns, you lazy bastard?
seriously

>>745476408
Hay wats up fidora. I need Id find you here. Your the kind of guy to get mad when people say "our prayers are with the dead" arnt you.

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I personally don't believe in God, but it's hardly deniable that an atheistic society that pays no attention to the very philosophies and teachings that allowed the early growth of said society, will degenerate rapidly. So no, I don't believe in God, but I understand the importance of the idea of God and religion.

>>745479150
I don't actually get and at other people's beliefs. I leave that to people like you.

>>745479296
I don't get mad *

>>745474223
That scene in Rick and Morty s2 ep 1 or 2 where they unfreeze time and the shit splits up so the world around Rick collapses and Rick is about to die so he frantically asks for mercy/forgiveness only to survive and instantly says suck it God, God doesn't exist... That's 100% how I believe/operate. I nearly die quite a lot because of fucked heart and I do this every fucking time

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like I'd say

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need i say more

>>745479378
https://youtu.be/9aUowoykENE

nope. religion is annoying.

>>745474223
GOD IS A LIE, MAN MADE RELIGION, YOU HAVE A SUPER-MICRO-PENIS, IM HIGH OFF MY ASS FROM LSD AND JUST TOOK AN EIGHTH OF MUSHROOMS!!!

A better question is, does God believe in me?

Most of us do, I personally do.

>>745480101
LSD and Mushrooms at once, isn't that a bit overkill caps lock anon?

>>745474223
maybe

>>745480192
NAH MAN ITS ACTUALLY PRETTY FUCKING NICE. SORRY I HIT THE CAPS LOCK AT SOME POINT TODAY AND NOW ITS STUCK

>>745480131
no
things which do not exist cannot hold beliefs

nope

Yes I do. But God only talks to me when I eat my magical mushrooms.

>>745480332
It's probably not really stuck, you're just too spacey to figure it out.
Do me a favor, go look at some black and white drawings and enjoy the extra amount of perspective for me.

>>745479384
>Jesus promised an end to wicked men
>modern world run by wicked men
vs
>Odin promised to save us from Frost Giants
>global warming

The evidence is clearly in Odin's favor.

>>745474223
Kind of do

Yes.

>>745480589
One snag though anon, global warming will eventually cause a new ice age, all you would need after that is the giants.

>>745480589
Fuck Odin lets join the frost giants

no
why should i give a supernatural reason for things we dont understand?

>>745481211
It's a potato potato situation anyway. The ice giants, Odin and his brothers all spawned from the same creature named Ymir.
The only thing that really differentiates them is Odin asserting that he is a god while the frost giants aren't.

wicked men

Frost Giants
lol

I do not hold the belief in God because I find there is no tangible evidence to support a belief in him. Agnostic Atheist master race reporting in

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>>745474223
I believe in God and Jesus, but the Christian religion itself is really hard to believe in for me. I believe there is a higher power but I don't believe in Adam and Eve, or most of the stories for that matter.

People always say "if God was real why is there war?" and my answer to them is because there's supposed to be war. For one reason or another God knows that the war is supposed to happen for things to be right in the future (think of the butterfly effect).

I dunno. The whole thing is super weird for me. I believe that God and Jesus exist and that there's a higher power, but I also believe in science, the Big Bang, etc.

>>745474223
define god

>>745482718
If wars are needed, how can god be just and good.
If god isn't just and good, why worship him?

>>745481561
>The only thing that really differentiates them
Odin slew Ymir and made the world from his corpse. The land is his body, the oceans are filled with his blood, the sky is the inside of his skull, and the sun and the moon are his eyeballs. Odin destroys that which would threaten us, but also extends the offer of peace to his enemies. He unified the Aesir and Vanir, he adopted a Jotun child, he had a son by an Earth Giant, he's pretty much the definition of wisdom and tolerance.

For example, when his adopted frost-giant son got himself pregnant by a male horse (don't ask), and his son gave birth to an eight-legged horse, not only did Odin *not* disown his adopted frost-giant son for gay bestiality, but he proudly rides that eight-legged horse/grandson into battle.
Odin is the best dad ever.

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>>745480332
kek

>>745483202
Doesn't stop him from being born by the same creature that gave birth to frost giants.
Having a kid with them only supports what i have been saying.
Odin claimed godhood after killing his father and constructing the world from him.
It's still a pretty badass origin story though.

>>745483670
Odin's father was Borr, not Ymir.

A god... sure... but I'm not narcissistic enough to think that it would give a shit about the human race.

>>745484049
Odin cares, anon.
Be brave, be righteous, try to be wise (but don't get cocky).
That's all he asks of you.

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>>745474223
Of course! look around, fur fags, animal mutilations, incest threads and traps galore. /b/ is a proud Christian board!

>>745483874
Okay, so he killed his granddad to create the world, he's still related to the ice giants, they're essentially the same race.

>>745484370
No, they aren't.
Ymir was the sire of the Jotun, not the Aesir. You have been misinformed.

>>745484291
>I was busy telling HIV riddled African men to rape toddlers as a cure for AIDS
get on my level Son

No.

>>745484448
huh, you're right, it's been a while since I read about the religion of my ancestors.
Thank you for being calm about me being wrong.

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>>745474223
only god that ever answered my prayers was Kernunnos the horned god, so as far as I know hes the only real god

>>745484175
Odin has limits and a defined personality, not in my opinion a god in the true sense. Although as far as deities go, fuck yah Odin, Valhalla seems like a chill place for an afterlife.

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>>745474223

>>745480589
Odin promised to be eaten by a wolf during the final stand against ice giants just before the death of all aesir, vanir, and men
>lrn2ragnarok

>>745485155
There will be a new pantheon and new people after Ragnarok though. In the christian apocalypse everything just stays broken.

>>745484916
If any religion is true I hope its norse

No because I am enlightened by my own intelligence

>>745474223
no

>>745474755
>honestly thinking this is enlightening or deep in any way

I bet you're a religious retard.

>>745485310
A wise man is aware of how little he knows.
A big ego isn't the same as intelligence anon.

>>745484839
>Thank you for being calm about me being wrong.
And thank you for making the effort to expand your knowledge, brother.
>>745485155
I'm well aware of the legend. Clearly it hasn't happened yet, as man still exists and the sun isn't being slowly eaten by Fenrir. Surtur is still in Muspelheim, Baldr (hopefully) still lives, and we have many nights to drink before the end of times.

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>>745474223
There is no 'god.' There is only us; we are, collectively, "God." Learn about sine and cosine, and the important of Euler's Equation.

Ad Astra.

>>745485756
Well Balder is currently hanging out in Hel, you know ever since that mistletoe debacle, so him dying again is unlikely.
I hope to be one of the few people to repopulate the place once ragnarok has happened, living in a world with active warrior gods would be cool.

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>>745475434
>not taking into account every other religion
>actually thinking Pascal's Wager is rationally sound in 2017

>>745479183
>the very philosophies and teachings that allowed the early growth of said society

I bet you honestly think the US is founded on Christianity.

Kindly drink bleach.

>>745486088
>currently hanging out in Hel
We don't actually know if that's already happened or not. There isn't really a concrete frame of reference for when the events that lead to Ragnarok take/took place.
>>745485992
Euler's Identity is fucking BEAUTIFUL.
So simple, so elegant, using four of the most abstract things in mathematics.

>>745486693
Oh yeah that is true, but he has to die in order for stuff to happen though. He's just lucky enough to come back from death.

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>>745485992
>importance*

>>745486088
>Well Balder is currently hanging out in Hel
or more likely Vallhalla as he died in combat
but he could be hanging out in Himmelheim as he was particularly cowardly but he did not fight back as he thought he could not be killed

>>745486505
>2017
>drink bleach

>>745486811
>He's just lucky enough to come back from death
nope
his mother asked to bring him back and was told that he would be returned to life if everyone said the loved him
but someone (Loki iirc) refused
so he stayed dead

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I can't speak for /b/ but funnily enough /lit/ believes in God. At least 80+%, occasional atheist threads are btfo by Christfags, /pol/ psyops have worked recently to push us further right. There is a Catholic Literature General thread up 24/7, with guides such as "The Bread Pill".

>"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion."- Sir Francis Bacon

http://www.authorama.com/essays-of-francis-bacon-17.html
http://www.literaturepage.com/read/francis-bacon-essays-33.html

>>745487096
Ragnarok is still supposed to end with him taking the mantle of his dad and being the new all father though. It takes the world ending, but he does come back without the love of everyone.

>>745486914
Baldr didn't die in combat.
The Aesir were partying in celebration of Frig negotiating Baldr's immortality, and the celebrated by throwing random shit at his head since they knew that everything had promised not to hurt him. Poor old Hoder was handed a dart by Loki, tipped with the one thing that had not been asked to promise not to kill Balder: mistletoe. It was overlooked because it grows in Holly and was, therefore, the only thing that could still be used to kill Balder.

He basically got darted by a friend of his who thought it wouldn't hurt him. Not a warrior's death at all. And he does go to Hel. Hel (the goddess) tells Frig that he might float out of Hel on a flood of tears if everything in existence cries for him, but Loki doesn't cry since Loki got him killed on purpose to begin with.
Loki's kind of a dick.

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>>745474223
Former atheist.
Still don't believe in grumpy cloud-grandpa

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>>745487267
Really want to be like that guy on the farthest to the right.

>>745487425
Well Loki is half god and half ice giant, his entire nature is divided and explains why he acts like he does.

>>745474223
No, the world is too shit for there to be a god.

>>745487857
>tfw you realize you live in the universe made by the god from the special ed class.
>tfw I have no face.

>>745487724
Thor is half earth giant, fyi.
He doesn't go around pranking everyone.

Personally I don't. I think the reason we humans belive in God and other religion is because we can't accept that there's no life after death so we created something to belive that would make all things better. Just imagine if everyone was an atheist, it would be a total anarchy.

>>745487267
>that Bacon quote

Deepist religious horse shit if I've ever heard it. Do they really offer any arguments for the existence of god or do they just act like your average butthurt religitard and say shit like that Bacon quote whenever they're confronted about it?

No. Too much fucked up shit in the world. If 'he' exists he's evil.

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>>745487857

>Implying the free will of men to do evil but choose to live well is not better than God forcing everyone at every minute of every day to be "good"

Tell me anon, what sort of goodness is there if no one can choose to be good?

>>745488049
Do the earth giants get systematically killed and have their stuff stolen by the Asir and Vaenir?

>>745488055
This

>>745488055
I disagree. I think people tolerate an enormous amount of shittiness in life because they think they have to and it's okay because they'll be rewarded in heaven. I don't think a world of atheists would find this acceptable.

>>745488254
I don't really care about good and evil. I'd just like a more tolerable standard of living with less suffering.

>>745474223
I used to believe but not anymore. Was raised a Christian but somethings just don’t make sense to me. Sometimes people have strokes and their personality changes based on what parts of their brain are damaged. There have been cases where mentally insane people have committed “sins” like murder based on the brain damage. The whole thing about having a soul that is judged when someone’s brain is what controls 100% of their actions seems disconnected. There’s plenty of history that points towards god and religion being used to control people: the crusades, kings being appointed by god, the requirement to separate church and state because of the power churches gained so much power. Just makes sense to me when you die your brain stops working and that’s the end for you.

>>745488254
>implying he meant only human-willed shit and not other natural shit like disease or natural disasters

>>745488055
You're equating anarchy with chaos anon, anarchy means without a leader, not without rules.

>>745488447
Congratulations, you're too clever for religion.

>>745488306
No. Jord was the Earth Mother, basically what most people think of when they think of Gaia, the spirit of the eath.

>>745489016
There you have it then, Thor doesn't have a bone to pick with the gods, because half of his family isn't being casually genocided.

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>>745488182

Mostly the former. I'm not sure you read the rest of the Bacon essay that the quote is from, despite the fact that it is less than 2 pages long and I included a link to it in my post. Bacon even gives a rather good explanation on Atheism, without trying to justify religion.

More on the phenomena of Atheism can be found in Soren Kierkegaard's The Sickness Unto Death. Almost all ontological arguments (logical arguments for God) are found in the annals of literature. My background is in neuroscience and admittedly /lit/ can get into the "What if our connection with the Universe/self is God?" territory.

I'm also not sure what you mean by butthurt quote. No one is mad here. Bacon wrote about 56 essays in his spare time, not for Atheism in particular.

>>745488445
>Implying free will is not the most neccessary element in the standard of one's living.
>Implying living totally without free will would not be constant and undiluted suffering on every existential level.

>>745488556
>Implying the construction of the universe and the uneven heating of the Earth's surface, and geological mechanics that make it liveable do not naturally imply such happenings.

Admittedly though, humans have made the climate significantly more dangerous, spread so much that natural disaster can't happen anywhere without 100s of us dying. It is a bit of a cuck that the same volcanic soil that grows crops so well attracts the citizens of Pompei.

For the spirit of the board? Hell no it believes in chaos

>>745489317
Then please, try to offer one argument for the existence of god that hasn't been shit on by skeptic arguments.

>"Implying the construction of the universe and the uneven heating of the Earth's surface, and geological mechanics that make it liveable do not naturally imply such happenings."
>Implying an entity asserted to be all-powerful couldn't easily make a planet where natural disasters didn't exist.

also

>Ignoring the fact of deadly disease

Got anything good?

>>745489624
So this boards official religion is discordianism?

>>745476471
>APE NOT APP. Stupid machine.

Give a 1000 APPs 1000 keyboards and you'll eventually get a /b/posting that makes sense.

>>745474223
sometimes I do

>>745489317
>http://www.authorama.com/essays-of-francis-bacon-17.html

>2017
>believing the teleological argument is good
>wew lad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R97IHcuyWI0

>>745476554
>and enjoying whatever benefits being part of the right religion

What you're implying is the consideration that a religion is a correct thing?

>>745474223
Yes.

>>745478166
Christians believe in a godhead, not YHWH God (i.e., not a monotheistic God). for 2000 years, no one has been able to give a coherent account of the trinity, but just hide behind "mystery," as if that means something.

But, there is no mystery about a contradiction. Contradictions are necessarily false.

>>745490106
Well if someone knew for sure and could prove it, there would be such a thing as the right religion.
Now depending on how that religion is formed and what rules it has, it can be either a bad thing or a good one.
So a religion could only be correct if it turned out to benefit the most people.

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>>745489796

Why ever would you want that? Do you feel attacked enough that you believe us at fundamental odds?

I'm not here to prove God or flay the atheists. I just stopped by to comment on the prevailing opinions of another board, and give a different perspective here and there. If you're reeeaaallly looking for ontological arguments I'll drum up a few links. Despite a reading habit, I find I'm not an expert theologian.

Some authors off the top of my head would include:
Augustine of Hippo
Thomas Aquinas
Soren Kierkegaard
Leibnitz
Heidegger
And while you're at it, look into New Sincerity. You might find something you didn't know you were looking for.

The same natural disaster *are* the mechanics of creation. Volcanoes formed the landmasses. Hurricanes create groundwater. Wildfires renew forrests. Microscopic germ organisms are a natural byproduct of the evolution process, filling niches as they can over time. They are no less natural to us than we were to the dodo. Further than that, the same cruel God gives us the means to fight infection. Just my point of view though, I haven't read so much on this specific topic. I could be wrong.

>>745490402
>So a religion could only be correct if it turned out to benefit the most people.

The most common definition of religion:

religion |rəˈlijən|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods

Superhuman, controlling power. Seems a bit antiquated of an idea, don't you think? Devised when most beings never traveled further than 10 miles fron their birthplace? Back when the Church (insert your choice here) devised the ways to get people to submit to their whims? Their need for control over land, resources? Their need to accrue the majority of the available wealth?

That said, I need to go now. As the "head" choirboy I have to attend to the men in black.

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>>745490736
Again, a truly all-benevolent and all-powerful deity would easily be able to devise a system where no such harmful disasters or diseases cause suffering to innocent people. As is also touched on in the video I linked to, in a theistic model of reality, the world would be essentially just, with suffering only caused by malevolent, free-willed agents.

I just want someone one time to offer a cogent argument for the existence of even a deistic god, let alone a theistic one.

>>745491276
Well lemme correct myself.
It would only be correct to join the religion if it benefits everyone.
If it were true, but had tyrannical tendencies, fighting against it in spite of it's veracity would be the right thing to do.

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>>745480589
You should really READ what he said rather than to trust others.

Armageddon and Anti-Christ happen after Wicked Men rule for a time. Anti-Christ will not be a human but instead a super natural being and will be mistaken for the second coming offering a lie that is actually fairly popular belief called "rapture".

When Christ does return he will no more then to touch his toe on the top of Mt Zion and all flesh will ceases to exist in the blink of an eye.

Wickedness ends with flesh being destroyed.

There will be wickedness as long as mankind exists.

So many of our traditions do not at all convey what Christ actually taught us.

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>>745482718
Yeah traditions of organized religion have perverted so many of the stories and lessons especially of the old testament. Adam and Eve were not the first humans they were the first Hebrews other humans already existed when the story of Adam and Eve was supposed to have occurred.

>>745492301
So the world ends with everyone getting annihilated?
That sounds bleak.
Also hi again, this is Tom anon, we've talked a bunch of times before.

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>>745474223
No.

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>>745485288
It does not stay broken.

After Armageddon and the destruction of all flesh.
We all gather in Heaven and are educated on the truth. The devil is held in a pit where we all can see him as this period of education under Christ happens for a period called the millennium. Then after that education the devil is released for a short time and we are all offered one last chance to choose.

Then the white throne judgment occurs and all who chose to follow the devil and the devil himself or thrown in to hell / the lake of fire.

Simply put this life is a lesson but the result of it is not going to be hell this final time.

this is simply the lesson for all to be fooled and tempted so that we will be more merciful to those who were fooled and tempted before.

We are here to put an end to the war that has raged in heaven.

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>>745493016
just wanted to let you know that what you just posted is possibly the cringiest thing I've seen this year and I've already assumed your station in life is pathetic and that makes it so much more cringe. Instead of posting cringey top text bottom text memes pretending you're some christopher hitchens why don't you go get some friends or a worthwhile job? fucktard

>>745474223
It's not that I don't believe in the Christian (Or any Religion's) god. The thing is I believe in things that have good evidence, and religion specifically demands I take things on faith instead of giving anything for evidence.

I also don't accept logical arguments that have no evidence fed into them. Things like Sye Tan's "It's reasonable to believe what is true. It's true that God exists. Therefore, God exists." Shit is a terrible argument.

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>>745493235
TRIGGERED FAGGOT

>>745493305
ooooh another toptext bottom text meme from the OG christopher hitchens, summers over you should be in bed you faggot

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>>745492756
Flesh gets annihilated.Yes we will all eventually die at least once. there is no escaping that. Christ himself died. But he over came and arose again. We will one day be gathered as Souls and that is our eternal form. The Earth may have animals on it several thousand years from now but it is doubtful there will be humans.

Greetings and peace to you Tom.

Thanks for giving me the chance to share all this again with your questions.

-Parrot Guy.

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>>745493369
Bitch at me more.

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>>745493235
I'm not the guy you're replying to but wow, you sound severely butthurt.

>>745491767
>>>745491276 (You)
>Well lemme correct myself.
>It would only be correct to join the religion if it benefits everyone.
>If it were true, but had tyrannical tendencies, fighting against it in spite of it's veracity would be the right thing to do.

ALL religions attempt to monopolize. All religions attempt to instill into their subjects a fear and a reverence for a supreme being.

This concept in itself, as one that can be regarded as a valid way of life, is bullshit.

It's time for us all to grow up and realize that we ourselves are hope for the future, not a belief that we are being guided by a higher power.

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>>745493446
I'll stop as long as you know deep inside and at face value that you are a pathetic waste of life with nothing to believe in and no one who believes in you

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>>745493520
Keep it coming.

>>745474223
Yes. The universe exits. Everything that exists had to have a beginning. The universe must have been created by something greater than the universe, which is God.

>>745493609
>Everything that exists had to have a beginning

Then what created god?

>inb4 special pleading

>>745493609
>Yes. The universe exits. Everything that exists had to have a beginning. The universe must have been created by something greater than the universe, which is God.

Oh my. Such incredible reasoning you have put forth.

You've instantly changed my longtime disbelief of a higher power. I have seen the light.

Could you please now tell me which god I should give all of riches to? Is it the same one as that preacher that needs the new jet so that he may spread your word? Or do you call him Allah?

>>745493728
>>>745493609
>>Everything that exists had to have a beginning
>Then what created god?
>>inb4 special pleading

Crap. You just opened up the box of total inanity. Best if we all get the hell out of /b/ right now.

I was raised as a Catholic, but converted to Islam a few years back.
I have my doubts, but generally I do have faith in the existence of a God.

>>745493055
Sounds like a custody suit gone bad. Why can't both our daddies just reconcile, settle their differences and look out for the needs of us kids?
>>745493420
You're welcome, I like talking about this stuff in spite of not believing any of it.
>>745493471
I agree, I was using a person who knew for sure and who had evidence to prove it as a rhetorical device to show when I'd actually join a religion. Contingent on that religion not being tyrannical, if that is the case I would fight the creator with all my might.

>>745493728
Nothing because God isn't a single 'thing'. Its everything... it forms everything like a giant, mutating blob. It always existed.

>>745494044
>pfft, well if you don't let me make up special powers for this thing that I say can't be true for anything else, then of COURSE I'll sound dumb!

So you admit special pleading is all you can give for that? Excellent work.

>>745494277
Pantheism is empty hippy bullshit.

>god is everything man. it's just another word for the universe

If god is just another word for all of existence, why not just cut out the unnecessary bullshit and call it the universe?

>>745494370
Why?

>>745474223
no. because i am not an idiot who needs an imaginary master to feel some kind of purpose in life.

>>745494247
>"I'll show them how unoriginal they are by reposting this picture I took from someone else!"

I find it as unlikely that there is a god, as why would it torture it's own creation for no reason but "they harm each other", even though said creator gave humans the capability to do so? If a god does exist, then he made us it's punching bag.

>>745494463
It's rather difficult to anthropomorphize an entire universe and giving it opinions that coincide with what we think a society should be based on.

>>745494616
And yet that's what you're trying to do.

>>745474660
Hell yeah

>>745494277
>Nothing because God isn't a single 'thing'. Its everything... it forms everything like a giant, mutating blob. It always existed.

Kek. Again, the reasoning put forth here is astounding.

But you've managed to increase my knowledge, and faith, in an invisible overlord.

How do you do it?

>>745494658
Oh, no not at all. I'm an atheist, I was just making a snarky remark about religions.

>>745494789
gotcha

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>>745474223
God exists, her name is ViVi.

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>>745493945
I am not the anon you replied to.

these are my posts here:>>745492301
>>745492591
>>745493055


But to answer your questions...

DON'T give your riches to men behind pulpits or wearing funny hats. Save it and give it to those who are poor or who ask you for your help.

God never asked us to give money to liars behind pulpits. In fact go here and read what he actually told the Apostles (Matthew 10:10-12).. Men who pass offering plates are almost always ignorant of what Christ taught.

So don't be fooled you do not need a Church you need to listen to your heart and do unto others as you would want them to do unto you, That was the highest of the law. It was what Christ taught us. Then read Revelation chapters 2 and 3.. Seven types of Churches described all using Christs name. Only two were found to be acceptable to God. Called Smyrna and Philidelphi. So Five of Seven fail to live up too Gods demands. As it is today,so it has always been.

The pope does not teach with more Authority then Christ himself did. Nor does Joel Osteen, or Benny Hinn or even the writer of much of the New Testament, Paul himself.

Christ taught what needed to be taught read it and struggle to understand what he said and no other.

>>745485498
Nor does a big ego exclude intelligence, Anon.

i do, and belive in mainstream religion as well

>>745494463
>If god is just another word for all of existence, why not just cut out the unnecessary bullshit and call it the universe?

Most members of the christian faith can't spell universe. 3 letter combinations are their limit.

>>745494868
True, but it can exclude the state of being wise.

>>745494463
Cos some nutjob on a mountain decided God was a good word for it.
I dunno. I don't believe 3/4 of the shit in the many, many bibles. What fucks me is I can't disprove God, so I figured on a solution that I can grasp without having to buy into the bullshit that is organised religion.

A priest tells me God is real... I can't prove or disprove.
A scientist tells me about the Big Bang... I can't prove or disprove that either.

I got 2 guys telling me different shit that I can't personally prove or disprove. So I figure on choosing what I want to believe and can personally observe until some fucker gives me absolute proof one way or another.

>>745494961
There is evidence of the big bang though, you can hear it in the cosmic background radiation.

>>745494773
Whiskey. A lot of whiskey with too many Star Trek reruns thrown in

>>745489821
I think that's too monotonous. Sometimes playing along just so you can fuck up more later is a pleasant strategy. Someone just have built in order to destroy. To adhere too closely to pure chaos is boring.

>>745494863
>DON'T give your riches to men behind pulpits or wearing funny hats. Save it and give it to those who are poor or who ask you for your help.

This is a hard thing to avoid. I own property (actually multiple locations) and I pay what property tax the city tells me I owe them.

By doing this I am subsidizing any and all property owned by a "bonafide" religion.

Is this the right thing to do?

>>745494961
>What fucks me is I can't disprove God

It shouldn't fuck with you that you can't prove a negative. That's not how the burden of proof works. Does it fuck with you that you can't disprove the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster? If I told you there's an invisible, intangible, silent flying dragon hovering above your head at all times, would it fuck with you that you couldn't disprove it? No. It's rational to withhold belief in things until there's good reason to believe in them, not the other way around.

Also, the Big Bang IS proven. It's the cause of it we don't know shit about...

>>745494262
>Why can't both our daddies just reconcile, settle their differences and look out for the needs of us kids


It would be wonderful if they did.
But the Devil refuses to learn and has already fooled so many. God wants us all back and so is doing this lesson to eventually convince us all that he is right and the devil is wrong.

The lesson sucks I agrees, but you are already here doing it in the flesh as am I..

God did it too.

the trick is to try not to fall in with the majority or to listen to men in funny hats.

Just love every one as best you can treat them with respect. OR Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I say this over and over as much to remind myself as to teach others.

It is easy to get angry and confused.

Once again links to all my posts in this thread for consistencies sake.

>>745492301
>>745492591
>>745493055
>>745493420
>>745494863

>>745494959
It sure seems to have. The potential irony is not lost on me.

>>745495322
The burden of proof is your God?

>>745495048
Or that could be the sound of the cosmic creator.
Or 'God' made the big bang happen.

It wasn't the best example. I was trying to draw the comparison between priests and scientists, how we take their word for gospel in all things we cannot personally explain without question.
> inb4 experiments bitch
Most experiments we do merely replicate the experiments, and results, of others. Science has a lot of answers and has given us better lives, but the question of God or some Creator entity still remains

>>745494961
>A priest tells me God is real... I can't prove or disprove.
>A scientist tells me about the Big Bang... I can't prove or disprove that either.

With that logic I'd like to invite you out for a few beers. I'd like to tell you all about the Little Men, the leprechauns. I can make a really good argument for them.
Then we'll go off on a quest to prove they are indeed real, and exist. And I know a lot of good pubs between here and there.
I promise you it will be an enlightening journey.

>>745474223
>aspie

Fuck you, mean [B]. Y'all aint asperger nor faggots. You're all just people afraid to fight back because of how capitalist society had portrayed the world; the baddies lose, the goodies win, when in reality there is no such thing as a one sided faction-ism but rather a personal battle between the good and the bad. Look at the world now, we see young children creating their own factions, cults, religions, genders. The capitalists gave them the escape from the binary choice of reality. We have given them the ability to undermine the long standing foundations of humanity. The americans, knowing how horrid life is in their "homeland" is now venturing to wherever their money can bring them. Watch how the chinamen, knowing how horrible their conditions are in the mainland, are now flooding freedomland. Everybody are fleeing from where they came from. See the mass exodus of people. Where is home if home is nowhere to be found? I suggest a cleansing. A cleansing of the ranks. Instead of feeding the young minds with the peacefulness the capitalists teaches us, we should teach them the reality of fear and respect. That no money can buy the respect one earns in their understanding of another man's ailing wails. Let the typhoons and hurricanes roar over the men and women, children and elders, so that in what remains of the society that exists grows camaraderie and fraternity.

>Shitpost it now redpilled /b/tards

>>745474223
personally, yea, im not SUPER religious tho, i would just rather not be fucked if i wake up after death in hevan

>>745495430
I don't worship the burden of proof or think it's watching me masturbate.

Was that supposed to be some clever, knock-down quip? Fuck me, that was cringey.

>>745495322
>Also, the Big Bang IS proven. It's the cause of it we don't know shit about...


Damn it, aren't you listening to what we are saying here?

God did it, he made the Big Bang.

Well, it was either him or Biggus Dickus.

It's turtles all the way down...

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>>745495298
Christ said to give unto Cesar that which is Cesars. There is very little you can do to avoid paying taxes or to control where they go..

You are the only one who can decide if you are paying your fair share or using loopholes you should not be?

I was referring more to money given as tithes and offerings directly inside a church.

If they ask for it or demand it by passing a plate or bucket like on a pole during the service? I would leave that Church and never return.

If they have a poor box by the exit and most of the money actually goes to the poor then perhaps I would give/

But as I said most Chuches are full of vipers and wolves.

The Church I attended had its pastor die a few years ago and I stopped going when the new fellow took over.

>>745495107
It's almost impossible for us to be truly chaotic, we're creatures of habit.
>>745495371
Sounds like a lot of fuss that I didn't sign up to be a part of, if god and the afterlife turns out to be real, I might end up telling the devil and god both where they can stick it.
>>745495430
The burden of proof is a scientific tool, not a theological one.
>>745495512
I wouldn't be against a god causing the big bang, I would like proper proof for it though.
Scientists don't go trust me like priests do though, they ask you to prove them right or wrong.

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>>745495371
>the trick is to try not to fall in with the majority or to listen to men in funny hats.

Kek. MAGA.

Not a god in the religious sense. I highly doubt any omnipotent being would create us, and then sit back and watch his creation go to shit in this manner.
That said, it is entirely possible there are beings that would be all but gods to us. In the same sense that we're essentially gods to a hive of ants. And, just like with ants sometimes, those beings might not even recognize that we're here.

I believe life is a book, everything we do is what was supposed to happen. I was suppoed to make this post. Like how the fuck does someone even start building medicine, internet, cameras...HOW

>>745495753
>God did it, he made the Big Bang.

I can tell you're being sarcastic but
>prove it

>>745495783
>The Church I attended had its pastor die a few years ago and I stopped going when the new fellow took over.

The previous pastor left a funny taste in your mouth?

>>745476869
I'm very sleep deprived and currently rocking a toddler to sleep, can someone break this down further? I can't wrap my head around it.

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>>745495821
Ref 371..

I understand.

But you are here now so you did sign up for this. You were not created the day you were born. Your soul existed long before that.(Jeremiah 1:5) You agreed to do this thing and were made oblivious to the "before" as we all are. This is so we can discover who we really are.

But too be sure God did this, I am doing it, and so are you.

Remain a skeptic nothing wrong with that but read stuff and seek out the truth if you can.

>>745495322
> can't prove a negative. That's not how the burden of proof works. Does it fuck with you that you can't disprove the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Its not a negative, its an unknown.

And the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster... I don't feel the need to prove or disprove that. It was conceived as a parody, so I treat it as such. If one showed up, I'd feel pretty fucking silly for doubting it.

>>745496025
>>>745495753 (You)
>>God did it, he made the Big Bang.
>I can tell you're being sarcastic but
>>prove it

Prove Biggus Dickus?

Stop by sometime, I'll give you a swell hello.

>>745474223
Of course I do.

>>745495555
Shit, I'd do it just for the quads.

But if there's beer and questing involved, I'm in.

>>745495662
>think it's watching me masturbate
Made me laugh, thanks.
>Was that supposed to be some clever, knock-down quip? Fuck me, that was cringey.
No, and you obviously didn't get it. I was being euphemistic. It's okay. It wasn't that witty to begin with; just shitposting, man. Now this whole interaction is cringey. Thanks for that, too.

>>745474223
No reason to believe in a magical flying old guy

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>>745495913
I suspect Trump to be the false prophet who will introduce us to the Anti-Christ. I may be wrong, but that event is called the final Trump so his name would be ironic.

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>>745496136
<SIGH!>

>>745495993
How?
By starting simple and working your way up, thats how. Don't discredit thousands of years of figuring out how this stuff works.
>>745496187
Think of it like a coordinate system, one side of a vertical line is theist, the other atheist. Then there is a horizontal line that divides people in agnostic(not knowing) and gnostic(knowing).
People fall into either of these four categories depending on their assertions of what they believe.
>>745496194
See that is an assertion from a book I don't find credible though, if I were made as a skeptic, god and the devil gotta forgive me for telling them to fuck off with their pissing contest.

Anyone who believes in God needs to be in an asylum. Its date('Y') and we understand much of how the universe works, there's just no excuse at this point.

I don't

>>745496220
>Its not a negative, its an unknown.

No, the statement "God doesn't exist" is a negative, which is unprovable. You're not saying the statement "it is unknown wether a god exists or not" is provable or not, because it is.

>[the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster] was conceived as a parody, so I treat it as such

Yes, it was conceived as a parody... to illustrate the absurdity of believing that unfalsifiability is actually a positive point towards the credibility of an idea. The funny image of a sentient blob of spaghetti just helps illustrate that.

>>745496324
>>>745495555 (You)
>Shit, I'd do it just for the quads.
>But if there's beer and questing involved, I'm in.

And that my friend is how religions start.

I just offered you 3 things you desire:

--Quads (I admit this was pure luck, or, maybe this god we've been speaking of was involved?)
--Sustenence, with the idea that there will be more if you join my way of thinking
--And the quest, a reason to get up in the morning, which brings us back to the beer.

Sounds like we may be able to get some others to go with us?

Who's in? There just may be a pot of gold at the end...

>>745495821
> Scientists don't go trust me like priests do though, they ask you to prove them right or wrong

I don't strongly disagree with this statement. I do find science to be very... faith-ish.

> the earth is round
I agree. I can offer no personal proof, but the concept makes sense to me. I have observed things that make me believe it, but I have nothing empirical to say it is so.
Yes, there's photos, but for all I know flat-earthers could be right. I don't think they are, but if they are and offered absolute proof I'm going to look like bit of a dick.

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>>745496413
Forgive me, anon. Have a file for your wank bank.

>>745474223
I do, 100%. I sin like a motherfucker but it comforts me that he'll forgive me as long as I repent under Jesus' name.

>>745496925
Take a transatlantic flight over the other hemisphere anon, then you will have the same proof of a round earth as I do.
You might think it sounds faith-ish, but there are rules and regulations in place to avoid the "trust me" sort of scientist.

>>745496817
Give me enough beer and I'll catch you a leprechaun, the Loch Ness Monster, and the Missing Link.
I doubt any of it would stand up in court, but we'll find the bastards

>>745496925
>I do find science to be very... faith-ish

That's because you're autistic. Science proves the truth of its claims through engineering. Religion can't do that.

>>745496554
>>>745496136 (You)
><SIGH!>

Talk to me about the wrongs of the church in the past 500 years. Talk to me about the church's inability to control their followers.

Yeah, yeah, I know, That was then, this is now. That's why we have the New Testament.

So maybe just talk to me about the resons for the failings of the church in the last 50 years. Is that a reasonable timeframe?