Why doesn't the United States have universal health coverage?

>>744877312
Because I'm rich and don't want to pay for your shit you commie faggot. Get a job

>>744877312
Because our healthcare is expensive but the best in the world. FDA has the most stringent requirements worldwide.

>>744877392
It's just a question I have you dumb cock guzzler.

>>744877312

The rest of the developed world and half the third world has health care that doesn't involve bankruptcy. The US health care system is a Jew scam to drain money from citizens. We can afford to enjoy perpetual war, but cannot provide health care for our citizens. SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.

>>744877312
Americans are raised with a selfish mentality and see paying for healthcare for everyone from their taxes as an afront to themselves, even though it works in other countries. They tend to care only about themselves and maybe their families or ethnic groups and think everyone else can get fucked. >>744877392
See this guy

>>744877312
Because its too expensive. Those countries with UHC, look at how much the average Joe pays in taxes. That's what would happen here. The whole "soak the rich" argument falls apart when the numbers get run, just look at California and their recent study. UHC, just for Cal. was going to cost $400 billion per year, that is just for healthcare. Their entire state budget for last year was around $150 billion.

>>744877554
I'm having a hard to trying to understand this post.

>>744877312
when you make something free you create near unlimited demand

>>744877472
Medfag here. It is NOT the best. It is the bleeding edge but as far as public health we rank toward the bottom of industrialized nations. We sell treatments noy cures.

>>744877804
Its true that the average joe pays more taxes, but we also make a lot more money, have better holiday and weekend pay, can afford housing and schooling and a better quality of life. The average joe is not too disturbed to put his taxes into healthcare since it effects him too. Your taxes already go to roads and police, these are thing deemed so necessary that you pay for them without batting an eye. How is affordable healthcare different?

>>744877312
Part of the money i pay for health care is used to fund elections. Elections for poiticans who keep my health care prices so high. Yaaaaaaay capitalisim!

>>744877804
I am an above average income earner in Australia, universal healthcare here. I pay about 25% in taxes, suck my dick you US fags, because if i get your Syphilis I will just go to my GP, get it fixed and it the only cost i'll pay is for a course of antibiotics, probably about $9.

Suck.
My.
Dick.

>>744877472

Nursefag here. No not really. In fact everyone already gets treated for every little thing and most of them don't pay the bill. They get zero followup care and end up in the ED 10 times a month. Shit is inefficient as fuck but good luck fixing it when you have people who live insulated from the problem not realizing it exists.

>>744877312
Lel, I live in country with universal medicare, its worse than no medicine at all

>>744878139
I want to live with the wallabees and vegemites and std's.

>>744878196
No you dont.

>>744877312
>Here OP if you want a good list of reasons why you should watch Ben Shapiro Debate Stink Yogurt

https://youtu.be/SIAyudtNicY

>>744878139
As an American living in Australia i can confirm the healthcare here is amazing and i can definitely afford it as a lowish income earner. My question for you is: I thought above average was a much higher tax? Like 46% if making over 100k per year?

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>>744877472
one of my best friend is an italian medicine student, one of his teachers allow 2nd years students to teach for a month in a NY university

you're not the best, at all

>>744878196
Which country?

>>744877312
We have too much of a fetish for "market competition" to make the transition. Despite the fact that the health insurance companies we have don't freely compete, profit at the expense of taxpayer-funded subsidies, regularly defraud the government, we have no political willpower to nationalize them because "muh socialism" and lobbying.

Any industry where the primary customer is the government should simply be nationalized, as the profit margin earned by that industry is literally a direct transfer from taxpayers to the company. Removing this transfer would drive down costs, likely more than "competition" lowers them as there is barely any competing once long-term government contracts are established.

>>744878399

Currently $72,000 last FY. Over the next few years i'll be hitting up that way though, but even at that income, it wont hit 49%, will probably be around 35% or so. Still way better than what's in the fucking US. We spend something like $8k per person per year on healthcare, the US spends something like 17k - it's fucking stupid over there. They're getting raped, and no one will do anything or say anything except bernie sanders!

>>744878546
Wow hong kong, guess theres something to all the powdered rhino horn and grasshopper dicks.

>>744878546
>>744878188
>>744878037
When people look for world-renowned surgeons and hospitals that won't make you wait a month or die from septic shock, they go to the USA.

>>744877312
because when i need to go to the hostpital i dont want to wait in line for 8 hours only to be told to go home and come back the next day, u cant have world class healthcare ad have it be paid for with only taxes

>>744878669
Thanks for answering that. And yeah... i didnt dare go to the hospital in America unless i was on my deathbed. Been in Australia 5 years and love it, not just the healthcare.

>>744878813
Kek Ausfag here. I went to the ED because it was late at night and had urinary tract infection symptoms, 2hrs in and out, all fixed.

Fuck your system.

>>744878813
The US doesn't have world class healthcare AND it's paid with taxes. You could instead have a government-run model that adds an increased tax but removes the requirement of buying a private plan.

>>744877804

It's only expensive because your disparate insurance system makes it so you have no purchasing power at all. A 1lite bag of saline solution costs the National Health Service in England $2.

In US it ends up on your bill average $700

UK population 65 million. NHS budget 114 billion. Zero co pay.

California has 35 million population

>>744878922
Source on that price please? Sounds kinda right but just curious..

>>744878813
nice cognitive dissonance

Unfortunately there is no cure for stupidity.

>>744877312
because in america staying alive isn't a right, it's a good

>>744878990
Just Google NHS budget 2016

>>744879034
well hey if your sick there is more money to be made off of you. Why fix someone when you can milk their insurance with shitty and expensive meds. I think restructuring/fixing heallth insurance would do a lot more than socializing healthcare.

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Amerifags are the most controlled population in the world. They think they know everything despite been led around by their puppet masters...

The reason there is no universal health care is that US puppetmasters convince their sheep that health care like every other nation somehow wouldn't work... Just like global warming and a host of other issues. Amerifags are stupid, naive, and easily duped.

>>744877312

they have extreme insane prices at hospitals.
For example one pheblo that in EU costs circa 2$ in USA the price is boosted up to 127$

Theyr price are insane due to the insurance lobby that pays congressmen.
So is quite impossible to them to have an universal care healt because they will go bankrupt in less than one year.

also the idea that inherently paying more = a better service is retarded.

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>>744878139
No! You have Syphilis!

>>744878914
guess where the majority of medical practitioners learn. pro tip, its not europe

>>744878922
Conservatives passed a law making it illegal for medicare to negotiate drug prices with pharma...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/drug-industry-pharmaceutical-lobbyists-medicare-part-d-prices/

>>744879381
Dont we wish the schools being good meant are care was good...

>>744878730
>When millionaires and rich fuck people look for world re....
Fixd

>>744879528
yeah cause US doctors all train abroad

>>744879528
US Health Care most expensive but literally the WORST in the developed world in terms of outcomes/results.

http://www.munknee.com/u-s-health-care-most-expensive-yet-worst-in-world-which-is-the-best/

>>744879381
Unfortunately, that doesn't have much to do with what patients end up receiving. The US certainly has superb practitioners, but the quality and consistency of care is pretty iffy. Some of that can be explained by the sheer size of the US, but not all.

>>744878730
How cucked do you have to be to say "I am willing to sacrifice the lives of tens of thousands, including myself, so that Soros can skip a 30-day queue when he gets prostate cancer".
This is your argument.

>>744878059
you also don't have tons of illegals or niggers to fuck the system up

>>744879635
Like good doctors = good care/system for providing care. Been to a hospital lately? The doctors are not the ones deciding how things go. The doctors are expected to see far more patients than is reasonable and to fill out too much paperwork. The combination means very little time for the "good" doctors to see their patients and actually give the care that they have been trained to give.

The US is last in health care because people in board room trying to maximize their profits are making the decisions on how the hospital operates, not the doctors.

>>744877312
It's cos the USA are backwards fuckers, too busy wanking over each others guns to get anything done.

>>744879806
This is what most people end up with in healthcare debates, they devolve to racism saying that niggers are expensive, ignoring the fact that ird white rednecks that account for 80% of medical bills and government assistance.

White niggers are not to blame for healthcare

>>744877312
Because we are a nation of states, not a single nation state.

Universal coverage also universally sucks. People in countries with such that can afford it use private clinics that charge rates closer to the US for actual good coverage.

I personally wouldn't want to live in a country where the death rate increases in the 4th quarter, not because of seasonal illnesses, but because they put off procedures until the next fiscal year because they ran out of money. This happens in the UK.

>>744878008
Yeah I'd say good health is very much IN demand

>>744879699

EU pharmafag here.

I have seen a lot of cases of USA average joes that come in my country for "tourism" only for have free acces to our hospitals and treatment.

>>744878922
this the problem isn't healthcare it's the fucking insurance wringing every cent they can out of everything.
>Obama says healthcare costs are high because not everyone has insurance
>Obamacare makes it so everyone has to have insurance
>insurance companies and healthcare systems just jack the price of everything higher because they know it will get covered

>>744878578
>>744878268
Russia, fags

>>744877312
Universal health coverage really can only work in homogeneous nations. It works alright currently in many European countries and Canada. With time though and them letting in more and more immigrants who will put further strain on the system. Those social benefits wont be possible.

>>744880027
If only the house or Senate could do something with their majority to negotiate prices with insurance companies. Its weird they don't, like they have some kind,d of interest it it being expensive...

>>744879973
those rednecks that account for 80% of med bills are niggers too bud, nigger doesn't mean black it means nigger

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The US if full of sheep. Somehow big corporations running pharma and insurance companies have convinced the public that good affordable health care is not possible. This despite it being in every other country. Instead Amerifags think everyone else has worse care and that to save money we would have to lose quality.

Somehow Amerifags think that wealthy investors making millions of dollars on the backs of our poor couldn't be cut out without sacrificing quality. Like corporate profits in the insurance market somehow makes for quality care. lmao

>>744879993
Which is why it works in conjunction with a good educational system, teach people how to take care of themselves, recognise things, etc.. And it works quite well.

This is why it doesnt work in the US. Because you're all fucking retarded as fuck.

>>744879973
Except when you look at percentage. More blacks and Hispanics are on welfare and stay on welfare for longer than whites.

>>744880173
yeah but funny how no matter which party controls Congress that stays the same and never changes

>>744880175
I call white niggers rednecks, but that's just me. I only clarify cause here in tx people think its the blacks fault and I find it hilarious

>>744880173
Literally their only plan thus far was to give more power to insurance companies

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>>744877392

>>744880225
Per capita its still more whites. You might be right if you put blacks and Hispanics together wi

>>744880173

You do not have to negotiate the price of the insurances, but the price of the medicine.
Is useles to have an insurance that will cover only a maximum of 300$ bill if you end up spending 10k$ for a broken leg.

The exchange of a dollar for service or product defines modern america.

The idea of socialized health care belongs in a place where it can be widely accepted. Where people have it.

In america, you have to force people to enroll or face fines.
Because according to the previous president, the incentive is there, but the people were too racist, fickle, and stupid to want what someone told them to want. (In a sense, government has to hold a gun to your head).

To answer your question op, no. Not all americans want it.
Not when capitalist economy is in motion.

>>744880216
>>744880209

/thread

>>744880216
that's because we literally have schools were teaching proper English is banned cause 'it's racist" and nothing is ever the students fault it's the systems for not understanding them and people pick which University they want to go to based on what the party scene is like or how good it's football team is. the goal of schools here isn't to teach anyone, its to babysit brats for bad parents

>>744880009
Yeah, I've heard about that. IIRC one of Donald Trump's pals broke his leg on one of Trump's golf courses in Scotland. He went to the local hospital, got fixed up straight away, and then asked "what's the bill?". He was shocked to find out that it was free of charge, and that it was all covered by the government.
I can't find a source on that, so it might be hearsay, but it's still a realistic scenario, and Trump has cheered for single-payer before, even specifically mentioning Scotland.

>>744877392
A state at its finest.

>>744880173
It's legal for them to invest in individual companies, which is some fucking bullshit

>mfw a biotech goes bankrupt and congressmen lose millions by being retarded
>http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/chris-collins-biotech-stock-loss/

>>744877312
because corporations run America and want to keep profits high

>>744878813
Oh yeah. In the US we get our surgeries immediately.... Or actually we wait longer than the rest of the developed world

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/25/gp-appointment-waiting-times-in-us-worse-than-nhs

>>744880507
There are plenty of 'capitalist' economies with universal health care, it's just americans who have been brainwashed to think it wont work. YOu can't have all capitalism, it's just as bad as all socialism. Retard.

>>744878730
No, Italian here, if I have a silly problem I want to solve fast without queues I go to a private hospital (we have that here) and the treatment is deductible from taxes. If I have a major problem that must be solved fast I jump ahead in all public hospitals in the country and I only have to chose the best one for my particular problem (there are cities better for stomach issues, other for bones ecc)

And as you can see it works really well , actually too well, we can't afford the current retirement system cause people live for too long

>>744880547
Bullshit, link a school that wont teach English cause racism. You must believe anything

>>744880216
>This
As an average retard American, I agree with this 100% our country is build on some pretty cool foundation but our people are nothing but shit filled, vile creatures who do absolutely nothing but walk all over whoever they can, and then complain and cry about it when someone finally stands up and says 'fuck you fatty' America is nothing but a business. If you're sick or poor, you aren't worth the time. Why do you think poverty stays how it is? Sure most people blame blacks or immigration, but I don't see any white person out there actually trying to make a difference. If it doesn't make you a profit here, then seriously, it's a waste of time. That's just about the only thing the American government, people, and public schooling has taught me here. AND I can't go anywhere else because nobody likes or wants Americans in their countries and I don't blame them. So I'm stuck here listening to all this bullshit that's caused by our own self-doing. A nation of nothing but ignorance and "victims"

>>744880209
this is why most middle class jobs in the US have health benefits, we arent paying over 50% of our income to the government and can still get in and out of a health clinic in 30 mins or less

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>>744880507
this is the answer to OP's question now everyone go to bed.

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>>744877312
Someone shop a Bernie face onto her.

>>744880712
Well name a few just to clarify. Since im retarded and cant think for myself.

>>744880851
dont u wish...

only emergency room care works like that

check this
>>744880685

>>744880931
fuck off newfag

>>744880851
>his is why most middle class jobs in the US have health benefits, we arent paying over 50% of our income to the government
No, you're paying 30%+, plus private health insurance costs that increase 20%-30% per year, and your employer is paying the rest instead of paying it to you, contributing to the stagnation of wages as necessary benefits rise.

>>744880851
You're right, the government dosent take 50% its closer to 35% .

>>744880942
There's been plenty of examples in this thread if you would bother to read it..

Australia
UK
Canada (although not the best implementation)
Ireland
etc.

>>744880992
If u think your employer paying is magic, your wrong. You would make a lot more if they did not have to shoulder that burden.

>>744880913
No it shouldn't be. Americans should wake up and stop being frauds. The American people is just as much to blame as the people in power they put there. America is ignorant. That's why. This has absolutely nothing to do with money at the end of the day, but all about 'you get a job cause I'm not paying for your shit' when honestly it wouldn't make that much of a fucking difference.

>>744881097
That is literally what I said my dude

>>744880963
>buzzword buzzword
>do i fit in yet
Shoop requests have been made here since the dawn of /b/.

>>744880851

Wow. Another american who has been brainwashed. How surprising. I'm an upper middle income earner and dont pay anywhere near that. Go do your research and get your mind out of your american shithole gutter.

>>744881209
your still a newfag

>>744881145
Not as much, they're completely to blame. We get what we deserve, I hate the fucks but America deserves trump and the rest of its leadership. It pains me cause I love my country, but its full of retards

>>744881277
Wow the sage is strong with this one

>>744880992
the only people getting stagnation of wages are the lower class working for fucking minimum wage. I'm getting paid with health benefits and im still making over 1k a week after taxes with no degree

LOL u eurotards mirin our glorious monetized healthcare system? You wish you could pay 50k+ for a simple medical operation. Enjoy your working healthcare system fags LOL

>>744879973
Yes redneck account for 80% of medical bills and the pay 95% of thier medical bills niggers account for 20% and pay 3%.
So in total 17% of medical costs are not paid for because of niggers and another 5% because of white people.
Stop trying to display the facts in a different light so you can push your agenda commie

If you have nough money to buy health. Why wouldn't you fuck on the country you're living in.

I suggest going to Dubai. They get what they want, do what they want.

>>744881448
Show us where you got your facts and ill correct myself, but you won't have a link cause those numbers are close, but pulled from your ass

>>744881574
that oil money is going to run out at some point

>>744881347
Same here my dude. I guess that's what happens when you can only be on ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE OR THE OTHER. There's no in between here. If you're not on one side, then you're the enemy, and vice versa with the other side. We're all here so why can't we all just quit acting like such entitled little fucking twats and actually do something great again. We put a fucking man on the moon, created rock and roll, and the blues. We got such a rich and cool history only to have crumble because we couldn't keep our children's children educated enough to see past all the superficial bullshit. It's a shame but I guess it is what needs to happen.

>>744881375
What does that have to do with what I said? If your employer is paying a rising value of health costs, that is an increase you are not receiving. What you're paid at a given time isn't relevant by itself, you need long-term context and more than one fucking data point.

I'd explain more details but it's quite evident why you have no degree.

>>744881574
You're again talking about the top 5% of a country at best. You think there's rich fuckers spending their afternoon talking about healthcare of a fingerpainting board?

>>744877312
Because here in the good old USA we live in a capitalistic society and all health care providers, big pharmaceuticals, small retail pharmacies, and all related are raping those in need of health care. The insurance companies are also in on the raping, with panels of lawyers that deny simple claims, outrageous out of pocket expenses that are paid first before they pay anything, virtually a completely worthless product. But hey who the fuck are the citizens to stand up and demand better, when money talks and bullshit walks, after all we can not cut the balls off of those raping us when they are the ones making all the money and forcing the rest into bankruptcy in their time of need.

OP here. Thanks for all the answers. But no I'm even more confused.

>>744880034
Well your country sucks overall, so you can't really complain about healthcare

>>744881375
so lets just assume i was paid in full and expected to buy that health insurance myself, and compare that to a universal system. id bring in maybe $200 more a week compared to paying an extra 20% more of my income to the goverment. I have not in my entire medical history ever spent more than an hour to wait to see a doctor even on a sunday. compare that canada, ever hear the phrase "dont get sick on sunday"

>>744877392
/thread

>>744877312
The thing is we should have the fucking choice, this isent communist Russia, if I wanna fucking die for not having fucking health coverage that's my business, you fucking socialist commie scum, this Obama care shit is so fucking anti American anti capitalism it makes us sick.

>>744882061
>Why doesn't the United States have universal health coverage?
caus muh Socialism

>Is just that Americans don't want it?
Basically. Muh socialism. Muricans have all been brainwashed to 'fight for themselves', which doesn't work if you're in freaking hospital with cancer and lost your job.

>>744882061
I'll simplify if for ya.
Health care is big business.
Big business runs this country by buying congressmen, and senators
Hence the reason why we have shit teir health insurance in this nation.

>>744877392
That's weird because I'm poor, and I'm paying for your shit.

>>744882311
>>744882276
Kkk, makes sense. I was just kind of overwhelmed.

>>744877712
>They tend to care only about themselves and maybe their families or ethnic groups and think everyone else can get fucked

What's wrong with that? Get you priorities straight :

1) Family
2) Friends
3) Native fellow Whites

99) Faceless strangers from 3rd world foreign lands

>>744877312
Corporations control the US. Voting is a joke

Nobody is stupid enough to think someone else cares about them.

The same souless giants and politicians run europe similarly to their kin of america.

Difference is the europeans are fully converted to cattle minded hobgoblins, and are screeching for america to be the same just so some shitty pills made in sweden can be imported.

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>>744882591
Not all Europeans..

>>744877312
>Why doesn't the United States have universal health coverage?
americans are too unhinged
it works in countries that can actually make people watch what they eat or at least encourage a healthy lifestyle
in murrifat this isn't doable
so any universal healthcare plan would lead to a collapse due to so many fatties clogging up the system like the burger clogs the artery

>>744882736
That is a bullshit attempt at a troll

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>>744877392
I'm rich too but don't live in the city, so why am I paying for your roads and law enforcement? If you start a fire in your house, why am I responsible for paying a fire department to put it out?

1. Most of the "civilized world" with free health care has been looking for ways to end it because of cost.

2. Most of the "civilisation world" with free health care has 50% of its population being paid to not contribute.

3. Most etc doesn't have a massive illegal I migrant problem that just ferries $$$ to other countries.

4. When you pay $100 in taxes just to pay $2 the one time you need an iv bag, you're not saving $100 on the bag you use, you're paying $1100 for ivs you'll never use. Each month, every month until you die.

The govt doesn't provide anything, it just distributes your money as it sees fit.

>>744882855
>"posted from my Ifreedomscooter"

>>744882736
You wouldnt pay for a fatty to eat. Why cover his blood suger tests?
Because it is moral?
Congrats. You now kind of see what half the nation has been upset about.
Or maybe not, since health care seems to be a sensative subject with certain people.

>>744877804
> pays $10,000 a year for health insurance plus copays plus coinsurance plus prescriptions
> but muh taxes

>>744877312
Serious answer: It's mostly a combination of the "American Dream" mindset and the health industry

In America, from day one they're taught that as long as you set your mind to it, you can do anything you want and make a fuck ton of money from it. Therefore, why should a rich American pay more taxes for something they can already afford without the government getting involved every time you stub your toe? That being said, medical bills can be very expensive and the idea that you don't get to live as comfortably as someone with one extra zero to the bank account doesn't sit well with a lot of Americans.

Also, the vacuum created by the lack of universal health coverage has allowed the market to create a ton of private health insurance providers and hospitals who are also very expensive and work for a profit. This does wonders for the economy by bringing in tons of money and creating new jobs in all sorts of sectors. Since these private health providers are businesses, they are one of the main driving forces for keeping universal health coverage from becoming a reality. They get the politicians site all my previous reasons I've given as to why with a dash of "don't tread on me" but in reality, they're a business who wants to grow and become more profitable

The question is what does the United States value more? A stronger economy or a higher standard of living? With the money that would be used for universal health care could be used for other things that Americans might see as more worthy (i.e. increased defense spending, border patrols, or a border wall with Mexico)

>opinion
I believe that the US should provide universal health care to all it's citizens, but keep the option for private health insurance available. The individual should be free to chose weather to put their trust into a government or a private corporation, but the US should be there to provide a Natural Right (see The Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 25)
>inb4 libtard cuck

It all comes down to the brain washing mantra that is being spewed in this thread and has been burn into the feeble minded fools over the last 12 years in this country, if you ain't rich it's your own fault, even with all of its fallacies.

>>744882858
Also, I'm a pacifist, so why am I forced into paying for wars that I have no say in? Should I get to decide when I want my money funding war?

>>744883017
>You wouldnt pay for a fatty to eat. Why cover his blood suger tests?
exactly
hence why countries that have universal healthcare encourage people from a young age to watch their weight, do sports and other shit
to reduce the pressure on the system
and that's why it wouldn't work in murrica, a country so fat that a call for more sports and healthy school food lead to autistic rolling

>>744882981
Maybe you should find more reliable sources for info, cause that is nothing but a bullshit excuse

>>744882505
yeah it really pleased the corporations when trump got elected

>>744877312
We rather use our tax dollars to vaporize not-whites far away. Also medical corporations lobby the Republitards to keep shit unregulated and stupid expensive because "greed is good', so sayeth America Jesus Reagan.

>>744882465
i know right, the fucking virtue signaling from all the commie yuropoors is amazing

>>744877312
The reason is money.

>>744883219
When people recite "corporations control teh US!!!" because their sociology teachers said so in high school, what they're trying to get at is that individual or collective corporations can lobby to affect specific related issues, not that corporations can literally dictate what happens on a day-to-day basis as a gestalt entity.

In this case, it means that it's quite difficult to shift the status quo insurance system.

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>>744883219
>mfw they didn't buy enough votes over retards with guns and angry nerds that didn't want hillary

>>744883057
murka created a bunch of jobs for people in healthcare that don't exist (or are done better and cheaper) in other countries.

Billing specialists. Coding specialists. Insurance specialists. The people who make clipboards. The people who fax all your shit from place to place. In eurofagland they're done by one person and a computer.

>>744883611
This is a legitimate point, and I've literally seen op-eds talking about how we might have more efficient and cheaper service under a nationalized single-payer system but we'd need to consider the lost jobs from the process. That's not a totally empty point, because those people vote.

However, it can't be an argument for not doing it any more than it's an argument to say we should replace excavation machines with shovels to employ more people. Shit's inefficient.

>>744883057
But that's the problem, the 'public option' is the same as 'public insurance'. Insurance only works when everyone is in, beacuse then the healthy cover the unhealthy - same thing happens with insurance companies - but muricans dont realise that, because they are dumb.

>>744883770
Sure. Those jobs are middle-class jobs with skills that don't easily transfer into other sectors (medical coding shit is especially crazy) but they need to go away just as we don't need as many blacksmiths to shoe horses any more.

>>744884278
Best scenario in that instance is charge a fixed % of income, like 1% over a certain amount of income, then if you're extra rich you charge more. Like they do in australia.

>>744883418
Not realizing that corporations are people too. How does one become so naive?

>>744882858
>>744883173
Evade taxes, moron. You don't do it because you're not the local monopoly on firepower/water/food/human interaction. Start your own cult then you can have the things you want.

>>744884557
Thinking all corps are one single evil monstrosity is easy and lets people think of themselves as victims. It's also a common idea in a lot of babby-tier sociology, even at the college level. Never mind the degree of inter- and even intra-industry lobbying efforts as corps fuck each other over.

>>744884402
I agree.

>>744877312
selfishness. companies want more money, rich people dont wanna pay more taxes

>>744877312
name of the girl?

Medical assistance is astronomical expensive in USA

30 years ago when I got sick and went to the doctor, I walked waited my turn the doctor came out called the next in, he weighed you, took your vitals, and heard your symptoms, and treated them, all for 10 bucks + prescription expense. Today
I check in with receptionist
Wait
Get called back by a long for my weigh in and vitals, get to tell her my symptoms
Wait some more for doc
Get to repeat symptoms for doc
Today 30 dollar copay+ what they rape the insurance company for.
Money making scheme, and very inefficient.

>>744877312
nice t-shirt. I would like a similar one with trump's face

>>744884905
When you grow up and realize the influence the corporate world and their money has over politics come on back and we can have real conversation.
BTW it was the government that ruled and passed into law that corporations stand as people during the Obama administration just a even struck down union lobbyists standing administration's people.

>>744880333
soon

>>744885613
I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue, anon. The corporate world does have tremendous influence over politics. What it is not, is a single body with one mind, but rather a lot of entities with their own goals. Nothing you've said is mutually exclusive with what I've said but you're sperging out anyways so I have to assume you're a retard.

>>744885808
Yup you are a fucking retard, with absolutely no comprehension skills. Stay happy in you ignorance, after all I have been told it's bliss

>>744877312
>Why doesn't the United States have universal health coverage? Is just that Americans don't want it? Or is because it simply can't be implemented? If so, why? Should it be implemented?

way way too many fat people, smokers and diabetics. These fucks can cost like half a million dollars in end of life care. That more than they'll ever pay in taxes in their lifetime. Social medicine works great when you have a largely healthy population but it would just ruin our existing infrastructure. Half the reason why everyone comes to america to practice medicine is because there's money in it and we have good patents for drugs that lets them recoup r&d costs.

>>744885808
>What it is not, is a single body with one mind
US chamber of commerce's (yes it's a lobbying group despite it's official sounding name) spending completely eclipses everyone else because most corporations are part of it. So yes they're more of one body one mind than you might think at least in the sense of lobbying.

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>>744886766
First sensible post in a while, thank you.
Have some tits.

>>744877392
You pay for it anyway. Just 100x more when they go to the ER for it instead of getting it checked out and treated early because of the cost of seeing a doctor.

>>744877712
there's a general issue with not being able to see the forest for the trees. A healthier population, is a happier population which improves your individual life. Goes for education funding too. There is nothing more important to personal happiness than the happiness of your neighbors.

>>744878813
If many of the fortune 500 companies actually paid taxes we absolutely could.

>>744878546
Life expectancy has nothing to do with it, we are also the fattest...

>>744887835
>life expectancy has nothing to do with a healthcare system
Well genius what does it have to do with? Healthcare is ONE of the factors...

>>744886766
>>744887107
The insurance shot up at my job every year, I talked to our HR person, and she said pretty much this. We had so many pregnant, fat, diabetic, asthma, autism, wheelchair, cancer, fucking sick people that it's expensive now (mostly a few peoples kids I guess), they kept buggin me to get on it because it would help their numbers...

>>744887052
Save your time anon you can't explain such things to a retart.

>>744878730
implying all American doctors are world renowned surgeons.

don't make the bleeding edge treatments free then. Nobody should have to choose between paying rent and getting a chronic condition treated.

>>744887835
i get you like mcdonalds and enjoy shooting eachother but life expectancy is the no.1 objective of a health system, keeping people alive and healthy

>>744887908
I think what he's trying to say that it's a poor indicator of how healthy a country actually is. Because you can inflate a 50 year old's life expectancy 20 year without increasing the quality of that life through medicine. So you can have a lot of sickly people non-enjoying life but still have a high life expectancy. Inversely you can bunch of people dying at 60 with a relatively high quality of life or any mix of the two. They're not exclusive values.

>>744878546
I've heard of people going to Cuba for healthcare. Embarassing.

>>744880027
>this the problem isn't healthcare it's the fucking insurance wringing every cent they can out of everything.

That's not true. Insurance is only a small problem. Hospitals, surgery centers and drug companies charge obscene amounts for procedures, tests and drugs that cost only a fraction in other countries. Read the old Time magazine article "A Bitter Pill" to get the real scoop on where the high cost of medical care in the U.S. comes from.

>>744888174
>>744888174
It's already happening and has been happening

>>744878675
wtf? Hong Kong is like Japan-lite. Bladerunner's aesthetic was inspired by it.

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>>744882858
some states in the US literally have only volunteer-organized firefighters and paramedics.

I don't know about the rest of you, but if I'm dying in a fire I'd rather trust a highly paid professional than some fucking scrub with nothing better to do and a need to feel better about themselves.

Did anyone else catch those fucking hilarious "let the president do his job" ads they're starting to run on TV? What a crock of shit! They don't seem to realize they could just photoshop trump's actual face over alec baldwin's and run segments of last year's SNL to get the same effect. Savvy businessman, my ass.

>>744888374
come one that's not true at all, statistically you have to be healthy to survive many years more.

of course there are 95 years old zombies and people suddenly dying at 60 for a heart attack but when we talk about big numbers (japan and italy are like 130 millions people and 60) truth is that quality of life is higher

>>744883048
Better 10k a year in insurance than 20k in taxes. Go eat a dick retard.

>>744888398
Yeah, Americans actually take medical "vacations" to get much cheaper treatment in foreign countries. It's a fucking embarrassment.

>>744888647
Everyone is entitled to their opinion

>>744878859
And that's what Americans do too. Which drives up the cost. And if the person is poor and can't afford to pay the emergency bill, guess who pays it anyway?

>>744878139
Get raped by a kangaroo, Aussie faggot.

>>744877312
Because long ago, at a time when Americans should have taken a step back and said "whoa, maybe we should take better care of our people," they instead went with "Hey, how can we make more profit off of the healthcare industry without actually providing fair and affordable healthcare?" and mass collusion between hospitals and the American insurance industry was born.

>>744878922
True. Which is why it would make more sense to reform the insurance and medical provider system, rather than nationalize 1/6 of the US economy and place it under Gov't control.

>>744888281
even the years listed is 79, vs like 82, which is like 3%, basically margin of error. There is actually a bigger margin INSIDE the US, so you are saying West Virgina has worst health care in the world (Average life of 75) but Minnesota is better than most countries you just listed...

>>744888563
Our broken, bloated insurance industry is the entire reason all of those things cost so much more in America.

The argument is completely redundant at this point in this thread. If you pay more than 90 dollars a week for insurance that is as worthless as tits on a board hog youre a moron. The fine is 4500, and either way if you need serious medical treatment your going to be bankrupt afterwards anyway or seriously financially impaired from being raped by the medical and health care insurance industry.

>>744878730
>that won't make you wait a month or die from septic shock
this meme has got to fucking die. There are no lines outside doctors offices in relatively well off countries with socialized healthcare (ie. most of western europe, canada). Believing so means you fell for the thinnest, shittiest pseudo-propaganda to ever air on TV. The US has SOME of the world's most amazing doctors because the very best among them can rake in more cash operating in the US than anywhere else. The only people opting to come and pay in US from other well-off nations where they are entitled to healthcare for free are already rich, old, and suffering from rare diseases that CAN'T be treated anywhere else, because standard methods of treatment haven't even been developed yet.

>>744888733
>statistically you have to be healthy to survive many years more.
or have stints and vale replacements every-time you run into trouble.
I think japan and Italy are outliers in this because of their diets and preventative medicine. So their quality of life tends to be higher as well as their life expectancy. I don't think they're indicative of what you could expect in say america or bongland.

>>744877472
>but the best in the world
i'm not sure where you heard this, but it hasn't been true for a very long time. healthcare in the united states is not only expensive, but it's actually ranked one of the very worst among western nations.

>>744877312
Because our government sucks balls at everything it tries. No one trusts the hapless niggers in bureaucracies to get anything right.

>>744888751
Except that most of those procedures are either plastic surgery or experimental treatments that are not yet legal in the US. Not quite the same thing.

>>744880225
Horseshit. Whites abuse the welfare system more than spics and niggers

>>744889346
>Our broken, bloated insurance industry is the entire reason all of those things cost so much more in America.

You need to do some actual research, because you're just dead wrong.

>>744889569
>it's actually ranked one of the very worst
according to criteria like 'is it free?'
but for those who have good insurance, it beats the shit out of socialist healthcare

>>744889665
no

>>744877312
so hospital fags get paid a lot of money because they are gay.
actually i heard some shit like doctors need mal practice insurance and it costs them like 100 grand a year its all fucked up.

>>744889749
Yes.

Canadian here, universal health care is actually a hybrid of systems and not just free. I'm actually surprised that most americans dont realize that people still have to pay in a single payer system

"The Canada Health Act does not cover prescription drugs, home care or long-term care, prescription glasses or dental care, which means most Canadians pay out-of-pocket for these services or rely on private insurance."

>>744881375
You're a special case then. Nobody really makes that kind of money without a college degree.

>>744889842
not true

>>744889931
What a coincidence, most Americans in this thread don't even know that the insurance they have is worthless because they never had reason to use it.

>>744889338
there are 323 million people in the US, 3% is too much to be considered error

>>744889694
>but for those who have good insurance, it beats the shit out of socialist healthcare

again, no, it doesn't. healthcare in the united states is ranked among the worst in the western world by virtually every metric.

>hurr durr muh socialist boogeyman
how are your roads, your schools, your fire departments, your police, etc. working out for you?

>>744890304
I don't think you realize just how geographically large and socially/economically/culturally diverse the united states actually is

>>744877312
I unfortunately don't think it can work well. We have VA for veterans, which only 8% is our military, and less than half use the medical services, and it's absolute shit, using military money, which is what our money goes to more than anything. I wish it could work, I really do, but we can barely take care of our troops, I can't imagine trying to take care of the other 96% and expecting anything good.

>>744889931

This

Single payer health care covers point of use, not ling term care. Every citizen is guaranteed a free trip to the ER but not free lifetime care.

>>744890249
How funny, my wife and I have used it for three visits to the hospital for childbirth, and she's had a subsequent surgery, and our kids go to the doctor once a year for wellness check-ups, and for another dozen times for various illnesses, and all our drugs are free out of pocket, and our co-pay is ten dollars. So pull that dick out of your mouth, fagboy.

>>744882146
you don't pay $800 in healthcare a month.

>>744877312
Here in the USA we've had several opportunities to implement universal healthcare. Candidates run in virtually every election, every two years, who state they are in favor of universal healthcare. However they do not get elected. Stated briefly, not enough voters want it.

Who knows why because our healthcare system is completely fucked up by all the half-measures in place today.

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>>744890500
Americans insured under government plans are more satisfied than those with private insurance.

>>744890316
It is, though. Look at the time one waits for an MRI in the U.S. versus the time one waits for one in Canada. Look at the boom in Canadians seeking healthcare in the U.S. at border hospitals. The only metric where those well-insured in the U.S. suffer is in listening to the bitching and moaning of parasites.

>>744877392
This is what's inherently wrong with a society that emphasizes individualism as much as America does. People are cunts.

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I'm not a fat piece of shit, I don't smoke, I don't do risky shit, so why should I have to cover the medical expenses of people that do?

>>744890810
Read your own poll, retard
That's satisfaction with the system, not satisfaction with the care they get

Nothing is free, we will all pay for it with our taxes.

>>744882211
should be able to choose healthcare

>>744890865

A government should take care of its citizens

>>744890956
And what do you think being happy with the system means, dipshit? You think they're asking about how hard the paperwork is?

>>744891071
It means that people getting free healthcare are happy to be moochers

>>744882465
>whites
>native

pick one

>>744890676
>free out of pocket
>10 copay
Why do lie Anon? I am part of the insurance committee at my place of employment, it know you're as full of shit as a constipated elephant

>>744877312
but the US does
anyone in the US can go into any hospital in the US seeking medical care and the hospital must provide them with care regardless of whether they believe the patient is able to pay
the US just puts the responsibility of paying on the person receiving the treatment until they admit that they can not pay by filing for medical bankruptcy

>>744891047
lol, the state is here to bottle feed you now

>>744883384
poor, but can afford healthcare.

>>744891133
>not knowing native means born here
>immigrants over land bridge from asia aren't immigrants tho!

>>744891129
Right, because if your access to care is shit, but free, you're happy with how the system works, right? We should all be so unhappy.

>>744891183
Forcing people to pay your way makes a lot of things affordable

People forget the difference between dependence and independence

>>744890983
what gets subtracted from the cost is the largest part... the profits. It gets less expensive because you aren't paying for the insurance executive's gold plated lear jets.

>>744891148
>anyone in the US can go into any hospital in the US seeking medical care and the hospital must provide them with care regardless of whether they believe the patient is able to pay

Wrong. This only applies to emergency care.

>>744891311
Still the haves are paying for the havenots join the military, do your 20 and earn healthcare for life.

>>744891159

>ensuring your citizens can afford to not die of easily treatable conditions = bottle feeding.

Most (if not all) universal health care doesnt mean you're set for life. It's actually supplemental and doesnt include long term care or prescriptions.

>>744877312
After WWII America was the only industrialized country that still had its industrial infrastructure unharmed. Because there was a shortage of workers because of the people who died in the war many companies started offering health insurance as an incentive to sign up with them instead of the competition. It was cheaper to do this back then than it was to offer something similar in direct compensation (because of the bulk rate discount on the insurance because of the buying power of having 800 or whatever employees).

Companies soon realized that many people would avoid changing jobs if their insurance was tied to work because they didn't want to die. People that used to move from company to company stayed longer at one place. This means that they workforce was cheaper because a new hire comes in close to the modern rate of inflation (or used to, they've found ways to depress this in 2017) and old hires will stay at a 1 or 2% raise each year most of the time and it saves on administration staff and training headaches. So companies began lobbying to prevent universal health coverage. This kept it from being generalized through the 70s.

In the late 70s and early 80s the financial industry managed to get certain regulations removed that allowed them to interfere much more with the general economy. Because those people make money on commissions and most of what drives the populace is fear what they generally want is a steadily growing national economy that is easy to invest in (so they don't have to think about what they're doing and keep their customers on the line anyway). This mean not rocking the boat, so they went in with the companies themselves for lobbying. When further regulations were removed and the distinction between an investment company and an insurance company was no longer important the one possible source of competing products (insurance industry) came into the lobbying bloc. That got us to where we are today.

>>744877312
Because the healthcare insurance industry is run for profit.

>>744891333
and court rulings have made "emergency care" anything that is not cosmetic and anything that is cosmetic that a doctor can be convinced to testify in court that the procedure is necessary for the patients mental health

and the medical bankruptcy covers ALL outstanding medical bills, the creditors can't seize any of the patient's assets, has little effect on the patient's credit score, and remains on their credit record for half the time that a normal bankruptcy lasts

>>744891501
There are no haves, we are all being punished by a failing system. The only haves in this system are those getting Medicaid, or their insurance 100% subsidized

>>744891726
And that profit goes back into research and development to stay competitive. Billions poured into new medicines and treatments. You want an ear woodpecker for brain cancer or shit that works. It takes money not hopes and dreams.

>>744877712
Ethnic groups can go and get fucked.

>>744891782
>and court rulings have made "emergency care" anything that is not cosmetic
That is just plain bullshit. Emergent care has a very specific medical meaning. You can't go in with the flu and get free treatment. You can't go in with herpes and get free treatment.

And regardless of whether it is emergent or not, you will still get billed for it.

>>744891148
This only applies to emergency care in the emergency ward of a hospital that is licensed to receive emergency patients. If you're going to die from cancer you cannot get treatment for it until it puts you in a live or die situation, at which point they are only obligated to try to stabilize your vitals and not actually treat the cancer. The effort here is a lost cause and the determination is made as such by an attending physician after a perfunctory effort at fixing the person to ward off lawsuits and the person is then allowed to die.

>>744891280
Yes, parasites are happy when things are free.
On the other hand, I love my healthcare insurance. It's part of my benefits package from work, and it is truly a "Cadillac" plan. I even have dental insurance, which is awesome, and eyecare insurance. It feels good to have earned this quality care, and to have access to the best doctors (who are no longer taking medicaid patients).
And yet, and yet... I pay for the moocher brigades, too, indirectly, both through taxes and the fact that doctors will bill my insurer more to cover the charity work they do on the hapless.

>>744891590
right, it leaves out the expensive things

>>744891726
and is more efficient than any government program

>>744892030
And when you lose your job and your coverage, you will be crying for a fairer system like all other entitled assholes.

>>744886766
side note: Japan has a fuckton of smokers and some of the longest life expectancies globally. what is even going on with that?

>>744891234
Suppose just depends on how far back you want to set the time table. Depending on when, you could call everyone in America immigrants.

>>744892189
They have practically no fatties.

>>744892030
I see because others can not afford your Cadillac plan they're mooch erst, nny how that works...............and now please explain why your life is more precious than any other

>>744892189
no fatties, good genes, they don't smoke as much in terms of smokes per day, they eat a ton of sea vegetables, walk a lot, drink a ton of green tea, live with a sense of purpose. Okinawans even exceed mainland japan because they exercise a lot more.