AR vs AK? Solve the great debate that has stumped /k/

AR cause you aren't a commie. Are you?

>>744818041
¿Porque no los dos?

Can you translate to spanish please?

AK has more cool factor AR is a better rifle

>>744818041
Hasn't the AK killed way more commies than the AR?

>>744818403
Supposed to reply to this
>>744818097

>>744818403
>Hasn't the AK killed way more commies than the AR?

probably. Soviets got the BTFO in afghanistan with their own AKs

>>744818041
AK for reliability AR for everything else

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>>744818041

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>>744819523

>>744819523

Cute, but unless that's a .300 BLK that barrel is way too short for any effective fragmentation with 5.56 FMJ

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Here's the real question.

>>744818041
All that AR's need to be completely superior is to be chambered in a better cartridge, such as 6.5 Grendel. AK's are beyond any hope of being improved measurably. Therefore, AR's win. The end.

>>744819804
tell that to the guy breaking in to my house

>>744820425

I hope you're loaded up with softpoints or heavy grain OTM boattails. Just sayin. 55 grain FMJ won't do shit outta that baby dick barrel.

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AKs used to be cheap

Now ARs are cheap

Buy one before the next panic

Guns are for the weak.

>>744821402

>said the faggot who threw a punch and got shot and killed

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>>744821402
So?

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>>744821402

ARs are the firearm equivalent of modded vaping pens (aka Mouth Fedoras), where boys stick all kinds of shit to them in hopes of impressing other boys.

Therefore, AKs are like Marb Reds - they just get the job done.

>>744819523
is that like a 20 shot sbr? Christ how long is that thing?

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>>744821402
Good luck going up against a group of niggers, strongman

>>744818041

AR no fucking question. In fact it's so clear that I think that anyone who prefers the AK is either mentally ill or trolling.

>>744818041
FN FAL so you don't have to shoot a second time.

>>744819840
dont know shit about guns but im assuming glock vs m1911?

>>744821814
not very

>>744821402
bet you cry when firing .22LR because "the kick back is too much"

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bullpup>conventional

>>744822288
ARpups are okay but the trigger pull weight ridiculous

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>>744819840

For civillians? 9mm because you can have like 18 rounds and un trained hyped up civvies tend to miss A LOT of shots in self defence situations.

For the military? The 1911 is a good gun but obsolete now. Something more like the FN57.

It's like comparing an 1851 Colt Navy to a Schofield.

AR for accuracy and versatility
AK for stopping power and reliability

>>744822535
what about NATO grade Five Sevens?

>>744822535
why not just have 18 rounders for both?

>>744822288

Bullpups are the classic"good in theory, bad in practice" idea.

Both the french and the New Zealand militaries are in the process of switching for bullpups back to a traditional assault rifle layout weapon.

>>744818041
Is this still HBO

>>744822625

>what about NATO grade Five Sevens?
that is an FN57 you dolt.

>>744822659
extended magazines that go beyond the grip are impractical.

>>744819840
No I'm a 1911 guy and I think glock is better.

>>744822840
no this is Starz

>>744819840

I own both. 1911 is what I show my friends. Glock is what I show my enemies.

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>>744821531
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>>744822144
:^)

AR all day. in the end you want to be able to hit your target with minimal rounds spent.
If you're into a "spray n pray" then go with that sloppy ass AK.

>>744822579
We have a winner

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>>744823027
>glock is what i show my enemies

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meh

>>744822710
So what's wrong with them?

I shoot the AR because it is more accurate past 30yds than an AK. When I go shoot for fun I tend to shoot at longer distances, AR is better hands down.

In the very unlikely SHTF scenario, I want what I practice with, which is an AR.

>>744822844
still one of the best hand guns of all time

>>744823321

Bad triggers due to long trigger linkages, slower to reload, more difficult to reload, more difficult to clear certain types of malfunctions, not usually lefty-friendly due to where the spent cases eject. They certainly have their applications, but most militaries are realizing they do not fully replace traditional rifles for the above reasons and are only useful in special circumstances where short overall length is more important than all of the above.

>>744823321
The anerican made bullpup tends to jam a lot.

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>>744822535
The 57 is shit too long and not long enough to be armor piercing sorry and this is a real m4/ ar15

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>>744822710

I've used an Austeyr F88 quite a bit which is the Australian licence production of the Steyr AUG. I think it's great in every aspect except it gets dirty pretty easily and the trigger is heavy.

>>744823864

If I had to use a bullpup the AUG would be top of my list. That trigger is definitely mushy however, due to that stupid light press for semi, full press for full auto nonsense.

>>744824082
That is a true two stage trigger though.

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>>744824082

Yeah the 2 stage trigger shit is good in theory, if a haji jumps out infront of you, you can just spray him down or whatever. Or just switch to full auto immediately whenever you need to.

But that just doesn't happen and over complicates the trigger group more than it is, being a bullpup.

My one gripe with it in general though is I prefer a hand guard or barrel shroud to hold instead of a fore-grip, and flipping it up to hold it like a traditional rifle just doesnt do it for me. Though it's nice when the barrel starts to really heat up.

Love-hate relationship.

>>744818041
AK
can be made with specific metalwork tools
can be easily modified to be fully automatic

AR
chambered in common round
highly modular
reliable

These are just the advantages off the top of my head. If i had to pick one I would get an AR.

>>744818097
Well he'll if you're going to go that route than are you a sand bigger because CNN MSNBC NBC FOX all show those fellows in the sand box carrying AR type rifles.

>>744823636
>optics mounted on handguard.
What a fucking idiot.

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If you live in the US, an AR

AR is: Cheaper, more accurate, just as reliable/rugged really, lighter, more flexible, more modular, etc

Aks are: Cool

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>>744823603

que

The only American made bullpups I'm aware of are the best bullpups with good triggers

MDR, RDM, RFB...

I have poked holes in skinnies and they got up useing 5.56. I have poked holes in skinnies with a 7.62x39 and they did not get up. I prefer targets to stay down.

>>744818041
Unless your AK is the export model chambered for 5.56 NATO (which will also fire .223 Remington), I'd stick with the AR.

>>744818041
Quality vs quantity. The AR is a superior rifle, the AK is dirt cheap. Unless you carry regularly, go for the AK, it'll work just fine for home defense and plinking.

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>>744818041
Neither

>>744823544
Also, that blast of hot gas from the ejection chamber is a lot closer to your face. Rather uncomfortable.

>>744818041
Why not both?

AR is the better option.
>5.56 ammo is mass produced for military so no need to worry about ammo in a bad scenario
>most americans own an ar, more ammo, spare parts, etc...
>very simple to fix if there's a malfunction
>larger magazines
>more accurate
Not saying the ak is bad by any means but in the world we currently live in, the ar is a much better option.

>>744818097
AK ras. Made all in usa. Best ak on the market.

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>>744826070

As a battle rifle i'd rather an AR still

>>744825744
is that a keltec? I'll pass

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German oldfag here. Obviously my weapon of choice would be the trustworthy G3. Frankly I'm not familiar with newer guns, so between the AR and AK I'd go with the AK.

>>744818041

The correct answer is ONE FUCK TON OF A LOT OF SPARE PARTS FOR EACH. Keep 'em flying.

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AR i guess since I live in the US, but I prefer anything on 7.62 nato like a fal or a g3 tbh

>>744822087
Yep. 1911 is the winner though.

AK because you wouldn't carry a .22 caliber pistol for PP so why the fuck would you carry a .22 caliber rifle?

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>>744826323
>ras

>Century Arms

>Cast Trunion

Enjoy your missing fingers when it grenades, poorfag

>>744818041
I have both. why not both?

>>744818041
which one is an AR in the pic

The ak is the better option, it is a simpler design thus more reliable with zero maintenance. The .223/5.56 is good for woodchuck hunting. I'll take my Romanian sar 1 over my ar any day for shtf scenarios

>>744818041
I prefer AK - easier to clean and maintain, and has much looser tolerances so works when it isn't pristine.

>>744830695
Both are Glocks.

The answer is an AK with a rifle dynamics stock adapter, a good adjustable m4 stock and a muzzle break.

In AR vs AK

The answer is always SKS

Always

>>744832198
An AK is a better SKS. Literally.

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AR all day, err day

>>744832330
The only real perk is detachable mags and you can get an SKS-D from the factory to take detachable magazines

An SKS is a heavier, sturdier platform and arguably a prettier gun

>>744832487
You've got the heavier part right

>>744832572
It was originally designed to fire a bullet almost double the caliber of the one it fires. You could beat niggers to death with it all day and it would still shoot fine

>>744824912
I don't know shit about the AK mod so I don't know how easy we're talking, but with a little preplanning and having completely legal parts on standby, you can have AR back to proper select fire in not much time at all

>>744824912
7.62x39 is as common as .223 and reliable should really go under AK

>>744833580
You're right about AK being more reliable.
Maybe he meant
>can "relable"y hit the same square meter twice in a row

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Scar 17 fag reporting in

>bow down plebs

>>744833748
>Needing to hit a target more than once

Sounds like a .22 caliber problem to me

>>744821815
Where was this at?

>>744821402
What is "arguments people who live with their mother who doesn't want them to have one, and can't afford to buy anyway make when online to try and save face" Alex

>>744822406
wat

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>>744834498

>bow down plebs
>spent all his good boy points on a gun
>no optics

>>744819840
I'm pretty sure the one that goes full auto is better.

>>744820425
No one wants to break into your house because your broke ass have nothing to steal.

>>744834738
probably south africa

>>744819670
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

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>>744819840

>>744826323
Your trolling right? Most aks made in the us are absolute garbage. The best on the market would be an arsenal or a vepr, unless you get a custom one.

>>744818041
>Too poor to have both

I mean seriously. you can easily pick up decent base models of both for less than 1000 altogether.

There is no debate. It is a fact the most killingest platform is the ar platform.

AR. Next question

>>744830695
You obviously wouldn't know which is better if you can't identify which is the AR