speaks for its self /b/

So... false dilemma thread?

>>744729085
>Have respect for yourself first
>Then you can have at least as much respect for others
>Everything else naturally follows
/thread

>>744729085
Why not both?

>>744729364
t. edgy suburbanite adolescent

>>744729729
If you had to scratch for a subsistence living practically every waking moment of every day just to stay alive, then you have dickhead warlords that come through periodically and shoot everything up, take away your sons, and burn shit to the ground, you wouldn't have much of a civilization, either.

how about respect the flags and ethics of the country that teaches to respect justice and humanity

>>744729085
Why not both?

>>744729486
Because that would make sense

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>>744730088

>>744729085
without an agrees set or rules and morals there is no such thing as justice

people assume all humans have the same morals and ideals this is false

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>>744729085

>>744730088
>implying that never happened to white people

>>744730088
Africa was one of the most fertile places in the world. They didn't evolve because they didn't have to.

>>744730326
That's hot. That's how they treat women in Saudi Arabia. Like guns.

>>744730449
That's actually almost exclusively what happened to whites.
The Arabs and the Greeks weren't kind to the Whites of Europe.

Where Whites went they actually left behind civilization. Africans chose to destroy it.

>>744729085
"Liberty and justice for all."

>>744730477
see
>>744730192

>>744730477
LOL. Yeah mate and so is out back Australia, just look at the boongs...
Most fertile. You fucking idiot.

>>744730616
Africans aren't exactly great conquers, it's more like they can't build sustainable large civilizations. From what I understand, most of the poverty in Africa is found within their large cities. The small towns and villages don't have starving people, because the population is on a scale they can actually manage.

>>744730661
Except that's provably the case. Fertile crescent? Ethiopia? Babylon and Mesopotamia? They at one point were empire. They had excess, and then better, whiter people rekt their shit. They aren't civilized now because they are either incapable, or unwilling.

>>744730714
>All of Africa is the sahara!
You should look up a vegetation map of Africa, then look at one of the US. Pay close attention to the colors of the zones of the US that produce the most food.

Over 50% of African land is retardedly fertile.
I seriously don't understand why westerners think all of Africa is one large desert with poor african villagers without shoes.

>>744729085
Paying respect to the values that have made the most fair, and prosperous society ever to exist = evil.

Giving a sandwich to a drug addict and degenerate = good

Solid logic I guess.

>>744730714
Was. Learn to read.

>>744730954
This. Tribesmen have it easy.

>>744730835
What I meant was whites came to African and built great civilizations, and the Africans chose to destroy those that were built from it.
There were a few noteworthy African civilizations built by what most westerners would classify as Africans. But I don't know much about any intercontinental expansionist movements by them.

>>744729085
If one stands for the other, shouldn't you teach both?

Bullshit, fuck y'all

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>>744729085
Sounds like socialism to me

>>744729085
(i) Does the US not exhibit justice and humanity?
(ii-a) If the US exhibits justice and humanity, what is the problem with teaching people to respect the US then?
(iii-b) If the US does not exhibit justice and humanity, why does it not? What would make the US become to respect justice and humanity?

>>744731477
I don't understand democratic socialism either, but those are some cool dubs.

>>744730088
You are an idiot. Get your poor africa bullshit out of here.

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>>744731111

Quads don't lie. Also, image completely related.
tl;dr Africans only care about gimmedats and having more meaningless bullshit than the other.

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>>744730088

>>744730000
>I think the audience is listening for my lyrics
>I can't keep time
>I can't play an instrument

>>744731111
Can you blame a dog for pooping on the floor when it can not use a toilet?

>>744730574

>implying it won't just break down a quarter mile down the road

Also that the back end of the tractor.

Also there's nothing worth blocking in bfe

1/10 made me reply

>>744732026
Implying?

>>744730468

do didnt clearly state how many women fled and how many men stayed. your argument is moot femnazi

>>744731477
Only a selfish dick would begrudge a 5% tax increase to make life better for a lot of people.

"But I dun wanna pay fer a deadbeat's schooling and medicine!"

A healthy, educated deadbeat now has the means to STOP BEING A DEADBEAT, you mongoloid!

>>744732773
see
>>744730192

>>744732874
I don't think you've ever attempted to help a homeless person or someone in a bad spot. They literally want to be victims, they don't have the desire to be successful.

>>744730088
Why haven't any of the warlords made the beginnings of a nation?

>>744732874
Or you could donate half your paycheck to support your beliefs and leave us the fuck alone, Faggot.

>>744732924

clearly you're a faggot

>>744733015
I was that person. Somebody helped me. I have a job, a place, and I'm paying my fair due. Besides, even if only half the people the tax increase helps pull themselves up, it's worth it.

>>744733097
That has for to be the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

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>>744733105
No U

>>744729085
You teach them both along with a lot of other things OP.

>>744733212
OK, Snowflake.

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>>744733350
Think about it: Roughly 200 million working adults in the US, paying a ballpark of 20% to taxes. Take an extra $5 from their paycheck every payday. $26B a year can do a lot of good for the price of a burger or a cup of coffee every other week, as opposed to a $50 insurance contribution, plus potential prescriptions, putting your kids through college, letting an already decaying infrastructure continue to decay...

Simple math.

>>744733551
i see nothing wrong with this at all

>>744732026
Yes. I've taught my dog to go outside for that.

>>744733477
This is comically dumb. The british are no longer an issue and it's a terrible point of compariosn, your guns just kill one another, and you lead the developed world in mass shootings and average victims per act of mass violence.

You should care about more important freedoms, like affordable education and a healthcare system that hasn't made you the sole developed nation whose number one cause of bankruptcy was it's own medical system. A kid with no education and a gun is still doomed to work shitty jobs.

And in my country an illegal handgun will run a man about $10K, so no basic criminal has one, because losing it would be like losing enough money for three really good televisions.

But, nah, keep shooting each other, pretend that your lax gun ownership laws aren't arming three bad guys for every good one.

'Merica.

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>>744732874

>>744733797
We aren't some third-world shithole, brain child.

>>744733787
You can't possibly be this stupid.

>>744733881
He is.

>>744733877
see
>>744730192

>>744733947
You got an actual argument there, champ, or you gonna post image macros at me like a sped student snuck into the computer lab?

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>>744733787

>>744729233
doubs speak truth.

>>744734030
see
>>744730192

>>744733735
>Simple math.
At 5%, you are assuming the average American makes 2.6 million a year with those numbers. If you are using the 25% figure (which you shouldn't, because only that 5% increase would go towards what you are suggesting, the other 20% is being allocated the same way it was before) you are still putting the average salary at $520,000. If thst was an average person's salary, the economy would be fucking booming.

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>>744733787
Written like a true ignorant homosex.

Education, healthcare and gun-control are not the responsibility of the US Federal government.

Read a book sometime you retard.

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>>744734113
$5. I meant what I typed. Assuming payment every other week:

($5*200,000,000)*26=$26,000,000,000

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>>744729085
You don't just teach your kids a set standard of social adherence you fucking faggot.

>>744733787
>$10,000
>Three good televisions
>no guns

Nigger are you retarded?

>>744734053
this completely neglects that most murders by a gun are not mass shootings. you want the unbiased picture? put there 65% as murders by guns. then compare it to european average and you'll notice that the average is the same - if you omit all murders by guns

>>744734235
The alternative is people dying who have no cause to.

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>>744734053

>>744733787 is walking around blind without a cane.

>>744729497
t. Liberal goblin shit offended by everything

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americans cannot into both

>>744734443
Nigger learn english

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>>744729085
Agreed

you need to update your home to the death barrier

>>744734516
>Nigger learn English
>>Nigger learn
>>>Learn

I think you overestimate the power of the "dark" side.

>>744733797
Everyone knows the only system that functions is a capitalist republic.

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>>744734352
Learn to Constitution, you backward twat.

Is there anything you really think deeply about?

>>744734531
Didn't know you slice tomatoes with guns in the US

>>744734647
What, a 300 year old document that couldn't possibly have accounted for the realities of modern life?

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>>744734592
Even monkeys can be taught basic English.

Pic related, it's OP

>>744731231
>enslaved by white people
this myth again

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>>744734531
Wow, so the object that is significantly more available to the general population has more murders?

Golly jeez, that is quite a conundrum!

>>744734531
>it's an equivalence because the intend behind knives and weapons is both unrelated to murder

ok

>>744734702
Wow this is fucking dangerous thinking. This is what created the soviet union.

Enough shit stains like you and it will come back. I am getting out of here before it's too late.

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>>744734702
Lmfao, are you really trying to say that the constitution has never been amended?! What kind of a retarded faggot are you???

The special kind I'm sure...

>>744734759
Its the same people perpetuating round earth no doubt

>>744734812
>duhhhhhhhh wut 4 mean coconut drum?

Youre speaking above this guys level of fucjing existence.

>>744734746
Exactly my point.

>>744733877
Not until we turn socialist

>>744734816
I'm not saying throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it needs an overhaul. The country can't stand on old precedent.

>>744734890
You can only repair something so many times before it's better to replace it.

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>>744734702
You sound British.

>>744735062
I am not.

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>>744734777
Niggers comparing Individual countries in the EU to the USA for crime percentages...
>not accounting for the huge difference in population.

>>744735040
>I'm not saying throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it needs an overhaul. The country can't stand on old precedent.

>people shouldn't be enslaved
>old precedent

Lol I am getting out of here before more of your kind of people pop up. They've been getting more common lately.

When slavery is legally reinstated again for the ultra rich only, it will be to thunderous applause by millions of poor.

>>744735207
So you're uncapable of rational discussion. Run along with your fingers in your ears, then.

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>>744731477
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>>744735311
*incapable

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>>744735040
Good god, you're an idiot.
You can always fix it you millinial shit stain. That's what you did before the advent of Amazon.com and cheap shot from China. If you want a new constitution go to China...
>no civil liberties
>government literally owns everything you own
>talk bad about elected official and face prison
>executions for drug offenses

>>744735311
People like you are extremely dangerous to all of society and future children. You are not worth a discussion trust me.

jews

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>>744732284
she broke no laws. dirty donnie cannot say the same.

>>744735392
>>744735402
So you honestly believe things are working out as they are, yet I'm the idiot/dangerous element.

>>744735419
>implying there is anything wrong with bribery

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>>744735104
Too bad, sounds like you enjoy being emasculated of individual agency.

>>744735495
No they aren't stupid because the constitution ISN'T being respected and we are returning to slavery/fuedal serfdom. But people like you will always blame the things preventing outright slavery, for the results of the people eroding your rights.

They fuck everything up, create a false flag, and then shit like the patriot act gets passed to thunderous applause by serfs like you. You love being enslaved and that's fine. But you bring that to the rest of us for generations to come.

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>>744735419
We must protect the Dreamers.

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>>744735495
Anyone who thinks civil liberties proclaimed by the constitution are in any way less important or impacting on your life. You are the problem with America today.

Bunch of whiney little faggots confused about their own gender but somehow can figure out complex social structures implaced by civil liberties in the constitution.

The only reason you can even say this stupid shit is because of the effective liberties instituted by the very thing you want to change.

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>>744735419
At least Trump saved us from having Crooked Hillary back in the White House.

We can all agree that is a good thing.

>>744735920
Protip: Whoever wins, they are both in the white house.

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>>744735820
In other words.
You're hypocritical, bigoted, and generally retarded.

How about you behave like the man in
>pic related

>>744729439
respect even for one's self must be earned. a lot of people walk around thinkinking they are something special. they are not.

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>>744735419
Bill likes to campaign for perjurers.

>>744735990
Dude what is even your point? That the constitution is outdated and we should return to slavery? You seem like more of a fucking idiot every time you post.

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>>744735990
You make a powerful case with that rapier meme.

>>744735637
Oh, so the constitution that you hold in such high regard can be ignored or edited to suit a powerful? Sure is a great thing, then.

>>744735820
I think I understand the gist of what you're saying, and I think you misunderstand what I'm proposing. It needs to be rewritten to better support the civil liberties you're bitching about me taking advantage if - hypocrisy, might I add. It needs streamlined and brought into the modern era, not flushed entirely.

>>744736141
>Return to slavery

At what point did that come up, you insecure nigger?

>>744736256
>Oh, so the constitution that you hold in such high regard can be ignored or edited to suit a powerful? Sure is a great thing, then.

No, it's very difficult to edit. Which is why it's outright ignored. Because they can't legislate to edit it, so they just pretend it doesn't exist in the first place with all the new laws that keep passing.

People like you make it easy.

>>744730468
implying they fled isis and didn`t just take the chance to live an easy life on german welfare

>>744736337
The solution is easy. The method for bringing it about would be a nightmare.

>>744730954
because the MSM tells them to

>>744736337
>Prople like you make it easy

Without Googling, who are your elected officials? What level of civil involvement do you have? How fo you go about making your voice heard? Did you vote in anything besides the last presidential election? Did you even vote at all? Before you cast stones, you might consider your glass house.

>>744736558
None because they are all in the rich buddy-buddy club and I will never be a part of that club nor do I have an interest in joining.

People like you are also part of the problem. Elections are bought and sold and guaranteed to favor one side, but morons like you still pretend there's political competition so you waste your gas driving to the polls to "make your voice heard" when the agenda and laws are the same exact shit no matter who is in office.

People like you would build a shelter in the middle of a tornado and then proudly exclaim to yourself and those around you "IM HELPING HURRR" while your fucking tent shelter blows to the wind.

You are part of the problem pretending like you still have a voice, while anyone with an IQ over room temperature sees the duopoly for what it is: A monopoly made of two. Nothing more.

>>744732043
kek

>>744736733
I miss being young, but I sure as hell don't miss this retarded thinking

>>744736937
The fuck?

>>744736733
Okay, then I'm confused. You prop up the constitution as inviolate, but you claim that the normal methods of the citizenry impacting the government, i.e. elections and contacting their governors/congressmen, doesn't work. It sounds to me you just enjoy bitching. What's your solution, then, besides griping on a Tibetan air guitar forum?

>>744736937
>HURR DURR IM HEWLPING!!!!

>>744734399
FACT!

>>744729085
11/10

These hipsters here will reply to anything vaguely moral

>>744736988
It is way too far gone at this point. The normal methods don't really work anymore now that the country is owned by a powerful few. You can take part in the duopolistic system if it makes you feel better, but it's a lot like going to church. A bunch of morons doing nothing pretending they're making the world better when in fact they either do nothing at best or make it worse by feeding more money into the already corrupt system (usually what happens).

The best solution is talking to people about it basically. A youtuber who talks about this shit r serves as an unpaid news outlet for something the media is blacking out, does A LOT more to preserve your freedoms than some idiot who puts an ignored ballot in a box then pays a fee to the corrupt system and pats themself on the back.

That's just the modern reality. This isn't the 1950s anymore after all. And yet alt news "terrorists" like that receive the most ridicule.

>>744730088
The entire history of Europe is predicated on violence and war between tribes, factions and empires, not only from within, but also from outside: mongols, Arabs and moors...
Have you ever picked up a history book, you literal cuck

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>>744729085

why not both? Cause that shit would naturally make sense.

>>744737182
I agree with you that the world's changed. That's why I advocate a new constitutional framework, one that actually spellsnout penalties for abuse of authority, and why I think a bettwr social welfare system needs to be in place: to prevent these abuses from having so far reaching an impact. I mean, do I necessarily want to pay for somebody's Gender Studies defree? No... but for every one I do end up paying for, I could also be helping fund the education of the doctor who will save my life someday, or the engineer that eventually makes robot waifus a reality. In my mind, the good outweighs the bad... and I think an educated society is for the good of everyone, and if that means I have to pay a bit more in taxes, so be it... and these things aren't going to happen without serious reform. You may hate millenials, but at least they're making waves.

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>>744729085
> black kid in class still
kek, sure op

>>744729729
If Africa was so backwards how come they singlehandedly crashed the economy by just going on hadsh by bringing so many riches in circulation ?
Really makes you think

>>744729085
lazy propaganda.
the "cant have both" strategy. to think kids are too stupid to learn both.....

>>744737665
In this era, the good does not outweigh the bad.

Whatever technology is created will be hidden from the public to benefit the ultra rich alone.

There is no real solution aside from all the evil people magically dying and all the good people magically becoming free. There just isn't a solution, but at least don't be part of the problem fueling a sense of false freedom, paying into a corrupt system. You're no better than a fanatic christian paying his tithe for your personal religion of comfort.

I don't hate millenials or really make a distinction between them and other people. All people are being played like ping ping balls against two paddles for generations and generations. This goes way way back.

>>744737971
The worst thing fornl the elite is a healthy, educated population that knows what a raw deal they're getting, so I think we'll have to disagree about the good v. bad thing.

guys we should be nice to each other. we are all humans and should take care of each other. Except for you right wing nuts. Except for you christians. Except for you white guys.

>>744737927
kids are fucking retarded
have you ever met one?
if you want to brainwash them you have to make the message simple and repeat it every day

we have that one opportunity at the start of each day, and we waste it on some symbolic nonsense

>>744732049
>Also that the back end of the tractor.
>being this retarded

>>744737927
respect for symbols takes the place of respect for values

>>744738125
It's so ironic though isn't it? They hold the key to absolute unquestioning control over everyone and choose to squander it.

If I was the ultimate unquestioned dictator my first move would be to simply give everyone a shitload of money and make them loyal to me. Not piss them off so they fight me.

What are these inbred hillbilly trillionaires even fucking doing? Just sabotaging themselves. It's so fucking easy to control people. Just PAY THEM.

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wow, get this dumbass facebook shit out of /b/, this is pathetic

>>744738204
maybe you we're retarded as a child, hopefully special needs classes helped with that.

>>744738377
If I were retarded, everyone would seem smart to me.
Your logic makes no sense.

>>744738263
so you can't respect an object and have a set of moral values? that sounds pretty dumb

>>744738281
The problem with that is if you just make a bunch of money, it devalues the money. There would need to be hard limits placed on inflation and spending in irder to mive eberyone back toward a better middle class existence. For all the 1959's lacked in civil rights and liberties, it was prosperous. That would be my first dictation, is to find an equillibrium where a single working oarent household (as an example) could once again be the norm. Just dumping a bunch of money into the economy is kind of short sighted.

>>744738529
then perhaps the special needs classes you took caught you up to reality.

>>744729233
It's more of a question of priorities. The way it's worded is really simplistic, though.

>>744738581
Huh? If it's gold backed or attached to something like land then it couldn't be devalued.

1959 was better because the dollar was gold backed unlike today.

I wouldn't print more money, I'd just pay people with the money that's currently sitting in Sir Richingston Scammingtard the Third's 500+ various estates all over the world.

>>744738662
Retards don't learn to be normal. They learn how to cope with their disability.

>>744738744
You'd never get it. If the rich know one thing, it's how to squirrel away money.

>>744738821
And how to cause unnecessary self-sabotage among themselves.

>>744734399
this, statistically, is true

>>744729085
You can't have one without the other.

And in fact, you can't have one without the other.

We rebuked the Old Gods of the Copybook Pages and have in turn been rebuked by the very concept of humanity.
Raise a generation of children by telling them they're nothing but animals with no true purpose in life, and animals who were supposed to have been humans is exactly what you can expect to reap.

>>744739371
Is what makes one human their respect for flags , anthems and their citizenship?

>>744735313

If those descriptions were true, you might have a point. Too bad they're garbage

>>744730954
It all starts in school.

>>744733551
This is stupid.

I dont need a purpouse.

I own guns because it's my right, and it shall not be infringed.

>>744730976
"the most fair" ??

>>744733050
They have they are called dictators, weird huh?

What I love is the fact people always had something like 4chan even though it was a different format. The shitpostings on walls written in ancient history are very entertaining to read.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/926/744/93f.png (too big to upload sadly)

It's interesting to see how the people were like us. They just didn't have a black mirror.