Hey /b/, how do you know God exists?

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>>744677484
how do i know i exist?

>>744677484
Given the size of the universe and the number of potential life forms living in it. It is possible one of those life forms, should we ever become aware of each other would be indistinguishable from a god.
However since you used capital G in god, I'm assuming you mean the Christian God. Personally I find that prospect highly doubtful. The idea that some superior being plays an active and selective role in human events is disproven by just how fucked up the world is. There are no 'chosen people' and no one country seems to have any benefit that cannot be explained by random chance.
PS I know this is bait, but I'm curious who the blond is.

>>744677773
I actually met Spiderman at a convention once, but I looked everywhere for God to no avail.

how do you know god doesn't exist

>>744677484
I read somewhere that the odds of life forming spontaneously was something like the odds of a wind blasting through a parts warehouse and assembling an airplane.
The odds of God existing seem about 50-50.

>>744679036
You're very observant. Yes, I did mean the Christian God or a similarly 'all powerful' one.

I do agree that if we do come in contact with a super intelligent alien being that it would seem god-like to us just like we may seem like that if we ever meet humans from thousands of years ago. But that's not what I'm asking here.

It's not necessarily a bait thread. I'm just bored and I want to hear what people have to say, especially people who truly believe in a God.

>>744679224
But you didn't sauce the blond pornstar.

>>744679191
Sure, the odds of life spontaneously forming are very low. But it's not spontaneous, it takes time and many tries that fail. There's been billions of years already for that process to happen slowly.

Also, it's not 50/50 for God to exist. It's not 1) God Exists 2) God Doesn't Exists, but rather ,1 )This god exists, 2) That god exists, 3) that other god exists, 4)... and so on. It's pretty much impossible for this ONE god to exist.

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>>744679336
Right, sorry about that. She goes by the name Makenna Blue among 1 or 2 others. She's fairly new it appears but I like her so far.

>>744679191
no one knows for sure if God actually exists, some people just believe that he or it does and (mis)interpret the Bible and life events based on that belief.

I choose to believe he exists, but im struggling with the fact that he gives 2 shits about me and my shitty life.

>>744679481
Alright, so tell me; why do you personally believe in a God? What's your thought process that ends with "Yes, God exists".

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>>744679224
OP what makes you ask the question?

>>744679364
I get that the typical materialist answer to everything is 'anything will happen if you wait long enough,' but I don't find that very persuasive. I feel like I could sit in a field of airplane parts and wait eternally for a wind that would assemble them into a 747.
The question also isn't which God exists. That question comes after you accept whether or not there is a supernatural at all. And most gods (those of the Greeks and Romans, for example) aren't even supernatural. They exist wholly within nature in their mythologies. It narrows down pretty quickly if you are thinking, when you speak of God, of some force or person that exists outside of nature.

>>744677484
I can feel it.

>>744679460
I likes this blonde pixie

>>744679612
Honestly, I'm just bored right now.

I'm fairly convinced that there is no god. But sometimes I wish there was because it'd be awesome to know there's more to life after 'death'.

So far, not a single religious person has been able to provide any evidence/proof for the god they believe in. And they repeat the same non-arguments against everything else like "Evolution is just a theory booohoo".

>>744679481
The one way I find it more than possible to believe that God cares about my life is that an infinite eternal God would have more time and more mind to think about me than would anyone else, including me. That is, it's a failure of understanding to imagine God is too busy and there's too many others for him to give a shit about you. That imagines God in time with limited resources.

>>744679191
Lol "I read somewhere that..." hahaha. So basically a half remembered guess of a half guess of probability with no context or understanding.

I know this thread was just to ridicule people, so I had to come here for things like this since it's almost exactly the same as asking "How does the vodka taste in Russia? Oh well Bob told me that rice from china makes good wine. Therefore 50/50 it's great vodka."

>>744679568
I was born to parents who were really into the whole church/bible thing. a lot of it is my childhood always being told that "God is always watching and there for you." thats a large part of why i believe that.

Secondly, in my opinion, evolution doesn't make sense. Like the odds are too astronomical for the entire universe to get that lucky. it also has several plot holes, but to each his own. the other alternative is that (a) God exists and made us, directly or indirectly.

>>744679624
I understand your argument with the airplane.

However, we don't need to have life as complex as humans to 'pop' into existence. THat's not what happened over the many years of the universe. We're talking about the most minute form of life, just one cell, which wen you look into it is quite possible with certain chemical reaction which COULD happen among this storm of uncertainty. After that it's a matter of time for this one cell to slowly change into something more complex, and again, and again, until we end up with the complex life we know today.

Airplanes weren't invented in one go. Electricity came first, other mechanics were invented and tested over the years until one day all that was put together to make a plane. It all started with the simplest Wheel, remember that.

>>744679753
its all what they call faith. you will never know for sure whether God exists or not, much like you can never know for sure whether evolution is the reason for life or not.

>>744679888
Thanks for sharing your story. I was born into a mixed religion family myself and I've grown up in several countries each of which had it's own 'main' religion so I learned about many of them and I even grew up fearing a 'god' and 'hell' simply because I was told to fear them.

As for evolution, I can understand why it may seem to not make sense, especially given the scale of time that it takes place in, and even the sheer number of planets in the universe that had the chance to roll the dice. It's almost unfathomable, so I understand the confusion.

As for the plot holes you mentioned, could you elaborate? If it's something new and unheard of, perhaps you've unlocked a path to a Nobel prize (highly unlikely), but I'm interested.

>>744679973
No one is claiming Evolution is the 'reason' for life.

It's simply an explanation of how it got to where it is now, not why.

>>744679973
I think you are confusing evolution and abiogenesis

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>>744680284
He sure is! ;)

>>744679753
It will always come down to what you mean by evidence or proof. In my experience, atheists want material, physical proof for an entity that is neither material nor physical. "Give me natural proof of the supernatural" is a confusion of categories.

>>744679866
Well, no, I remember exactly where I read it. It was in a chapter in A Short History of Nearly Everything. I just don't footnote my informal comments for neckbeard faggots.

>>744677484
There's a book written about him and billions of people who believe.
This necessitates that he exists, at least as a concept.
Harry Potter also exists as a concept. As does Batman.

>>744679964
The example I mentioned wasn't about complex life but life at all. The leap from inanimate matter to life is much, much wider than the leap from an amoeba to a person.

>>744677484

because nihilism is inherently correct.

no one sane would tell a child with cancer "dont worry lad your immense pain doesnt mean anything" and everyone suffering in intense pain thinks it would be better if they were not.

>>744680599
And there are books about Obama and Julius Caesar. So they also exist as concepts.

>>744680747

>inherently incorrect

is what i meant

>>744680467
Alright, good point. There's a claim of something 'beyond' the physical world, then perhaps direct observation or evidence may be impossible.

When why not provide any other legitimate proof that we can start with?

For example, if you claim to be psychic or a house is haunted, why not film furniture being moved under controlled conditions? That way we know there's no hidden wires or green screens. With witnesses too if possible.

Some people claim that miracle healings are such proof. Great, that's a fantastic start! Are there any properly documented cases that are confirmed by a medically trained doctor? No? Interesting. How about the fact that every miracle healing is of a ailment that can be faked simply by sitting in a wheel chair, how come it's never an amputee magically regrowing a limb?

It's just there's never anything concrete, it's always "The bible says" or "You have to feel it".

For fucks sake, get real....

>>744680583
Here's the actual quote. By the way, the author, Bill Bryson, is an atheist (so far as I can tell) who denies intelligent design.
"For random events to produce even a single protein would seem a stunning improbability—like a whirlwind spinning through a junkyard and leaving behind a fully assembled jumbo jet." Bryson footnotes the probability data, which he takes from the best science. If you're interested, get the book. It's a fucking brilliant read.

>>744680747
>>744680766
Yeah, I know... :/

>>744679086
>quick, shit the burden of proof

>>744679191
how did u calculate the odds? Cuz it seems the odds r 50/50 for the hurricane also - either itll assemble a plane, or not, right?

>>744680800
You literally just demanded scientific evidence for a category that is beyond science's scope.
What I find meaningful as evidence is reason. Reason is not synonymous with science, as so many dumbasses think it is. It's practically the opposite - the sequence of thoughts of which conceptual systems are built. So, for example, I think Aquinas' argument for a prime mover is quite persuasive. Is it something science can observe or discover? Not at all.

>>744679692
wine tasters can feel the price and brand
they r equally wrong

>>744680881
I read that book a few years ago, it's definitely an interesting read.

But notice again how he says it's "improbable", not "impossible".

Just because something 'feels' like it could never happen, doesn't mean it can't. The odds are low, sure, but given the insane size of the universe and how long it's been around, the chances definitely go up.

It's almost impossible for us to imagine, we live for less than a 100 years, we're very tiny creatures, so imagining the universe in it's full scale and understand what 1,000,000,000s of years feel like is inherently beyond our capabilities. But that doesn't make it 'impossible', just extremely hard to imagine.

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>>744677484

>>744677484
He simply does not.

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>>744677773

>>744681124
Alright, I guess you're right, I did demand scientific proof. But would YOU believe ANYTHING else in the world if someone can't prove it to you?

I say that God told me that everything you own must be sent to me before the end of tomorrow or else you'll go to Hell. God said it, I have it written down actually, funnily enough His handwriting matches mine. We're created in His image after all.

>>744679888
oh, so hats true is determined by tradition, not verifiable obsesrvation and u r too dense to understand the best documented theory we have?

>>744679973
>i have this irrational, unsupported by evidence belief
>and thats somehow a virtue

>>744678029
/b/ is the worst.

It is full of white trash making racist remarks exclusively about blacks. 90% more than any other group. Then, these same fucking whites make the racist ass "whiteboi, u mad whiteboi, whitebois can't compete, blacked, bbc, my wife/girlfriend/goldfish/sandwich says he/she/it wants to try BBC, team black boys, c o l o n i z e d, cuck, FUCK WHITE PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE HATE THREAD, SIZE MATTERS, LUR HURR DURR BBC THREAD, etc." racebait threads and abandon it, in which other racist whites will come in the thread, crying about black people with the following : "Niggers have aerosol space AIDS, niggers don't pay taxes, muh bell curve, niggers this, niggers that, niggers love to rape, niggers don't shower, niggers don't bathe, niggers steal, niggers inbreed, niggers steal bikes, no nigger has 130+ IQ, blah blah blah," as if black people made the thread, as if all people act the fucking same, and I have to fucking sit up here and take a confidence blow, feeling bad about my fucking self over it, when I paid for everything I have and worked for it, including my damn 4chan pass that I don't even fucking want anymore because of this shit. Jesus Christ.

When Moot was here, this /pol/ Project Normalise Stormfront recruitment shit was not even fucking happening. And what the actual fuck is wrong with you goddamn people. You enslave people then let them go and then you segregate them. Then YOU, the dumb ass redneck think giving them something will close an IQ gap? You think money and funding in the hood will fix things? YOU SERIOUSLY THINK GIVING BLACKS SOMETHING WILL FIX IT?! HAHAHAHAHA, OMG. GODDAMN, YOU PEOPLE ARE DUMB. You dumb fucks deserve every nigger problem you have now. You didn't try to fix shit at all. You just tried to pacify them and all it did was put you fags in the gibs trap. Hahaha.

That dumb ass gook that bought this site is fucking stupid. His slanted gook eyes can not see accurately enough to show him he should stop this shit.

>>744680467
so u r saying, there cannot be an evidence for supernatural? Why the fuck would u believe in god, if theres literally no proof or evidence for it, then?

>>744681094
How did I calculate the odds for God? I didn't. I just guess that it's 50-50 based on my sense that smart people disagree. It could be 90-10 or 1 in 1000. I've no idea.

>>744677484
Blacked is fucking raceporn from cuck Jew and white dorectors portraying black men and hedonistic fuck apes obsessed with white pussies.

>>744680599
sure, but we want the confirmation of existing currently in reality outside of our minds

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Guys, honestly, I'm not here to start fights or insult anyone, believe it or not.

So far however, I haven't heard anything beyond "Just cause" or "Evolution doesn't make sense, therefore God."

>>744680881
I read part of it, but I went to some of sagan's books for a while instead of finishing it.

The actual question that's being dealt with is that of abiogenesis. And that's actually not really lumped with evolution or intelligent design except by religious folk that just don't understand what is being discussed.

There is still the underlying question of animate to inanimate - is protein the reasonable cutoff or is there an even more simplistic breakdown (just as you think of going a level lower than atoms). But then again, to be fair to the exact quote, that's not totally unreasonable to show how stunning of an improbability certain things are. The thing that puts it into perspective is how stunningly remote many many other possibilities are as well put into similar contexts.

And jackasses that argue with themselves in the mirror too much and jump to neckbearded faggot style insults are bound to be stuck in that mud because of their inability to cite source and information when they run across someone that isn't.

>>744681733
And yes, I said dorectors not DIRECTORS.

THESE FUCKS GET PAID TOP DOLLAR FOR THIS SHIT

>>744681222
Nice trips.
And I wasn't claiming it was impossible. I was simply suggesting that the odds of life spontaneously generating seem, to me, much lower than the odds that there is a God.
Someone else could believe that if they waited long enough, a whirlwind would assemble a Jumbo Jet, and they might consider those odds better.

>>744681733
>>744681807
So what's your point? What do you want?

>>744681690
so how bout u stop pulling numbers out of your ass, if u have no way of confirming it?
u dont know the odds. It might as well be impossible. How would u go about convincing me theres any chance god could exist?

>>744679191

> ...the odds...

Those "odds" are entirely speculative, thus worthless.

>>744677484
God exists. Her name is Haruhi.

>>744681438
Atheism is so disappointing to anyone who's read any serious Christian writers.
Like, 1 & 2: God waits forever. That puts God in time. But Christianity says God is eternal, which literally means outside of time. So "forever" is a meaningless concept in eternity.
I have yet to encounter an atheist who has even the most rudimentary grasp of what intelligent Christians actually believe.
>inb4 there are no intelligent Christians, you narcisissistic fucks

>>744681474
>would YOU believe ANYTHING else in the world if someone can't prove it to you
All the time. All my relationships with other people are based on faith not proof.

>>744681862
THanks, and that's fair, I understand what you mean.

To me personally, the odds are reversed. We have some sort of explanation of how life may have come to be. Some scientists are even trying to recreate those conditions that they believe started the first instance of life on this planet. There is a starting point to this in science.

God on the other hand, is just a story. It 'feels' right because it's an easy explanation to literally everything. But in the end it's just a story with nothing we can even begin to test. So for me the odds of that being the correct answer is much lower than that of what science has proposed.

Thanks for taking the time to discuss this on here. I know there's no way for us to come to an agreement today, nor will either of us change their mind today, but it was definitely interesting.

>>744681586
It's not irrational at all, and it is supported by reason.

>>744679086

Because by Occam's Razor until a god is proven it's more reasonable to not accept the mere assertion one does.

>>744682029
You are a single drop of water in the ocean yet at are a part of the whole - that is eternity, that is infinity.

How can an omnipresent being be aware of itself and retain its individuality?

Ho ho ho.

>>744681653
I said natural science can't provide proof for the supernatural.
Think that through.

>>744681647
So what is the point of all of this text if it's true about stealing, welfare, fatherless kids. And you complain that giving blacks something won't fix anything call people dumb, yet you offer no solution

>>744677484
I dont know. I believe

>>744682072
Please take a moment to think about that. Are you telling me your relationships with people are based on literally nothing?

Will you approach a random person on the street and invite them to baby sit your child, go to a wedding, etc?

Think about the people you currently do have a relationship with. Why do you trust them, even if a little? Don't you think your preconceptions of them are based on previous interactions and perhaps stories you've heard? Its never completely faith, and even then this 'faith' is built, not simply accepted.

>>744682245
Why?

>>744682117
oh yeah? Like how?

>>744677484
Perception is everything. If you truly believe something exists, then for all practical purposes it exists. Some people are overzealous to rationalize against the benefits of faith, but never have a definitive answer for the creation of the universe. God gives people something to believe in. And that's a good thing.

Belief in nothing creates apathy. Belief in something greater than yourself inspires you to strive to be greater than you are. Little good comes from religion. Nothing good comes from apathy. We're moving toward an apathetic world of know-it-alls who know nothing at all. It's not a world that I, and even less you, wish to live in.

>>744682162
is there any other science?
how do u go about proving god, then?

>>744682156
You're applying mundane concepts of finite space / time to God which by virtue of itself must exist outside of these constraints.

>How can an omnipresent being be aware of itself and retain its individuality?
A literal nonsense question. The human idea of "individuality" has no application to a Being which exists outside our limited understanding of consciousness.

>This Being exists in 5D, possibly higher
>HAHA BUT HOW DOES THAT RECONCILE WITH MY 3D UNDERSTANDING OF THE UNIVERSE? CHECKMATE
Dumb.

>>744682427
Fucking Christian fag talking about being a "know it all".

Holy shit.

>>744681894
The question anon asked was how do 'you' know God exists. I was suggesting what I think are the odds for there being a God vs the odds for complex life generating spontaneously and accidentally. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm saying why I find the God hypothesis credible.

>>744682029
>what intelligent Christians actually believe

>you narcisissistic fucks

Oh the hilarity of someone who clearly implies they are smarter than their opposition, ironically calling them narcissists... misspelling the word in the process.

>>744682427
I agree. I don't think religion will ever go away completely, and it definitely has it's place in society like you described.

I just sometimes wish god did exist, not just in our minds. Some sort of eternal heaven were I can have fun forever sounds great, I wish it was real. :/

>>744682427
>If you truly believe something exists, then for all practical purposes it exists
even for others? Like the bridge over the chasm? Does it exist in reality for u too, then, if u believe it does and try to walk on it?

>>744682572
Not a Christian. Nor a fag.

I just know a lot of atheists who are far more self-righteous and judgmental than any street preacher or bible salesman I've ever met.

Hey guys, this is fun, but I'm getting hungry. Ordering a pizza, anyone want anything?

>>744677877
Cogita ergo sum

>>744682539
The reason people smartly used the word natural science when science first emerged was that science was simply synonymous with discipline or field of study. If you want to give yourself an aneurysm, google the phrase 'queen of the sciences.' Protip: not realizing that there are other fields of inquiry besides physical science does not make you smarter than others.

>>744682590
why the fuck do U find it convincing, if not only do u have no way to determine the odds, but also u dont understand how the complex life forms came to be now?
U r literally deluding yourself to feel better and disregarding reality

>>744682330
No need to invent straw men. I didn't say my relationships were based on nothing. I said they were not based on iron-clad proofs like those in math or hard science.

>>744682378
It makes more sense to me than "we exploded out of a ball of nothing because reasons" and I was raised this way

>inb4 indoctrinated

But of course there's no hard evidence. The whole point of faith is believing without knowing for sure. Even the most faithful are scared shitless to die deep down, because no one KNOWS what happens after, they believe.

>>744682616
atheism wins debate on a typo

>>744682787
i love ho u totally disregarded the point about actually proving god
i take it u cant. So why believe it, if u can come up with no reason for it?

>>744682807
Not at all. If I wanted to delude myself to feel better, I'd tell myself it doesn't matter if I cheat on my wife or steal from my work, because no one is watching and there are no consequences. I don't find the idea of dying and being nothing scary at all.

>>744682684

> more self-righteous and judgmental than any street preacher

LOL. No one is more judgmental than a man telling complete strangers walking past that they are bad people.

God is Dead. Nietzsche lives.

>>744683154
Is that not what's going on in this thread?

>>744677484
Because I exist, and know God exists... because I know, then God exists.

If I did not know God existed, then God wouldn't

>>744683107
hell is. And gods watching u always
so whats the proof for god?

>>744682898
That's the thing though, even when things are uncertain such as being in a relationship with someone, there's still 'something' that be traced to explain why we're in that relationship in the first place or why we trust them, no matter how small.

With God on the other hand, there's nothing real, nothing small, not at all. At least I haven't been presented with any reason at all to believe, any real reason.

>>744683280
how do u know?

>>744683190
Wow, look at you. You know things!

You're such a clever boy!

>>744682981
It may shock you, but I don't think an internet image board is the place to prove serious, complex concepts. I don't feel like typing a tome. If you ask me what reasons I have for believing, all I can do is point beyond myself to texts I read that persuaded me. I'm not ambitious enough or interested enough to type up their arguments. So, to cite one example, I find Aquinas' argument about the prime mover persuasive. So if you want to know that argument, you have all you need to look it up.
I wouldn't be able to convince some faggot on /b/ that Emma Watson is a 6 at best or that Trump is a cancerous piece of shit. I don't for a second think I can convince an atheist to believe in God. I can only say why I believe, which was the question.

>>744682963

It does not win the debate, it just undermines their own narcissism and false claim to greater intelligence.

>>744683365
"The" proof?
LOL, not everything is as simple as you demand

>>744683477
universe was the prime mover
>>744683574
u want this made easy for , dont u?
what reason do u have for believing in god?

>>744683535
You used their, which is plural, as a singular pronoun.
Christianity 1, atheism 1.

>>744683626
Not familiar with Aquinas' theory? I am not surprised.
>>744683626
I believe in God for about a hundred different reasons, one of which is that I find the God hypothesis more compelling than the idea that the universe wasn't and then was for no reason at all.

>>744681890
I want you people to fucking fuck off with this shit.

>>744683214

I imagine everyone in this thread actively clicked on the link, purposefully engaging in the debate.

Also, the OP didn't accuse us of sin, but asked about belief.

>>744682192
It is not fucking true, you hillbilly fuck.

Every group has that problem in some way or another.

And I have a solution.

>>744683806
looks like u r not familiar with aquinass nonsense
universe was always there

I remember one time, I had a $50 and I was going to buy some drinks in a gas station. I asked for change. He said he had no change. I had to leave and go to a different store. Meanwhile, I come back in, some spic pulls out a $100 and the gook now has change.

And I never stole in my life.

>>744683895
Calling people stupid and telling them to fuck off isn't much of a debate.

Also, I didn't mention OP.

>>744683676

"... it has become common in speech and in informal writing to substitute the third-person plural pronouns they, them, their, and themselves, and the nonstandard singular themself."

Christianity -1 point

>>744679612
Yeah, I agreed with this guy.
That makes the atheists mad though. They are the vegans of the religious spectrum.

>>744677484
Define God.
I know nature of our existence makes a creator likely. I know explainable things exist in our universe, hinting at something beyond it. I know that the information encoded within us by the universe drives us to seek those things beyond our comprehension. I know religion exists because we, as a species, are better at finding things together. I see atheists as those who gave up looking.

>>744683806
yeah, so since u cant get a handle on all of this, why dont u go and look for materials debunking aquinass 5 roads

>>744684453
> I see atheists as those who gave up looking.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on that.

I don't think they gave up looking, but rather acknowledged a dead end and chose to not waste their time and instead try find out the truth about all these questions that still need answers.

>>744684857
>acknowledged a dead end
What is perceived is rarely known. One can continue down the path of human understanding while exploring the unknowable, and often it leads to finding more of that which is knowable. For this reason, the pursuit does not..
>waste their time

Instead, it often makes their time more valuable.

>>744685077
>sophistry

>>744685168
Why so hostile? I'm happy to offer examples. I am no deceiver (today), only a student of both science and the human soul.

I say that seeking the unknowable leads to finding that which is knowable. Are you familiar with Einstein's thought experiments? For years he tried to envision what it would be like to move along side light. It was in doing so that Einstein realized what was knowable, and proved special relativity. Einstein was a man of God, so this sort of "hopeless" endeavor, seeking that which is unknowable, came easy to him.

>>744685456
>soul
>science
uh-huh
>Einstein a man of god
pantheist

and he was seeking knowable, as in NOT GOD

ho bout instead of the sophistry u just give us some evidence for god? How bout some verifiable, repeatable observations?

>>744685738
Einstein sought the knowable through the unknowable, and I don't believe the specifics of his religion beliefs are the point. You raise a good concern, it might be easy to mistake my point for false equivalence. So I should say, Einstein's mission in life was not to understand God, because he knew God was unknowable. Einstein still practiced religion. It is in this sense that I compare his thought experiment to spiritual discovery. Einstein knew he could not move alongside light, and he later proved it. He still invested the time thinking about the unknowable, envisioning himself alongside light, because he knew it would lead to that which could be known. Einstein still spent time practicing religion and thinking about the unknowable God, because he knew it would lead him to what could be known.

>>744686182
amazing, so u can trade "god" for literally anything else, that unknowable, making god not only not real, but useless anyway

>>744677484
I researched selling your soul once. Took it much further than I should have. Shits real fam

>>744677484
cus i buy weed from him every sunday

>>744686450
its not - thats why there so much of it - cuz theres no consensus for whats not real and how it doesnt work

>>744682712
yeah can you order me some food

>>744686338
Can you though? It seems obvious to me that the benefits of seeking God are rather different than the benefits of seeking other unknowns. In seeking unknowable knowledge of the universe, Einstein found formulas. In seeking God, Einstein found both content and purpose. In seeking other unknowns, you find other sorts of knowledge.

>>744686691
>sophistry

>how bout instead of the sophistry u just give us some evidence for god? How bout some verifiable, repeatable observations?

>>744686553
I didn't think so either until I found myself under spiritual attack

>>744686893
You ask for the unknowable to be known, but you refuse to explore it. You accuse me of sophistry, but you yourself offer no evidence.

>>744687068
oh, just like all the schizophrenics?
>>744687125
and here we have it
>u ask for unknowable to be know
o, i ask for u to stop pretending like u know anything bout anything, thats unknowable and basing your morals on it and expecting others to conform to it
>u refuse to explore it
atheists did explore it and found its unknowable. Theists said they kno all the things, got pelted with questions, gave shit answers, denied others to explore it, said it cant be explored, cuz its supernatural, but somehow they have evidence for it, regardless of it not being able to manifest in reality
>u dont offer any proof
yeah, cuz i dont hold a position, where i say "i believe this". I hold a position of "u dont convince me"

>>744687445
>schizophrenics
Have you ever researched selling your soul? How would you know?

>>744687712
u r saying u did, so how bout u tell me how to do it and ill let u know with my magical powers how i did. Otherwise u can assume u r mental

>>744687445
> i ask for u to stop pretending like u know anything bout anything, thats unknowable and basing your morals on it and expecting others to conform to it
I only know the value of seeking the unknown/unknowable. I've said nothing of morals, and I expect no one to conform. As such, I've only given specific examples and made simple points.
>atheists did explore it and found its unknowable.
My point is simply that because it is unknowable it should be explored. I have made and do not support totally unsubstantiated claims.
>yeah, cuz i dont hold a position, where i say "i believe this". I hold a position of "u dont convince me"
You still see now way that searching for the unknowable can lead to the knowable?

>>744687928
i think i do get your point better
if its unknowable, it CANNOT BE EXPLORED and whatever u get along the way of trying to explore whatever ends up being unexplorable can easily be achieved by actually focusing efforts on expanding knowable, as in "what happens, if i do this, if i look deeper, or calculate it".
I think u r missing the point of knowing when or whether sth is unknowable or not.

>>744687870
>magical powers
There's these crazy things called books. You should check em' out. Also assumption is the mother of all fuckups

>>744677484
>how do you know God exists?
Because the left says he doesn't. They are always wrong.

>>744688257
HOW ABOUT U TELL ME HOW TO SELL MY SOUL AND ILL LET U KNOW HOW IT WENT, INSTEAD OF GOING ON A WHITE RABBIT CHASE, WHERE THE RABBIT IS MAGIC, THAT NO1 HAS EVER PROVEN TO BE REAL

>>744688313
but the right says god is real and they r always wrong too, so what now?

>>744688360
You lack adequate defenses to pursue that kind of research. It doesn't seem real, until it is. At which point you would have nothing to fall back on

>>744687870
I was thinking more about your reply, and it reminded me of something my father once told me. I still hold this belief very closely.
>If someone says they have the answers, they're full of shit.

>>744688245
Thank you for giving it some more thought. You say that the unknowable cannot be explored. Here is another example of exploring the unknowable, this time in math: Gödel's incompleteness theorems. These show that the understanding of numbers we were looking for is unknowable, and this was done using a proof of contradiction. In other words, the theorems were found by assuming something about that which was unknowable.

>>744688919
or u r full of shit. I gave u a chance to present your experiment and u said u r a faggot, so bye, schitzo
>>744689025
>assuming
lets assume theres an invisible bridge across the english channel. If its true, we can walk across, dry, from france to uk. What, if there isnt? What will the result tell us bout our assumption?

>>744689510
>u r full of shit
You could have actually learned something today. Instead you chose to be a shitty troll. Oh well, your loss

>>744690030
keep affirming your delusions

>>744689510
We can know if there is an invisible bridge in the English channel, so looking for one will only give the evidence we're looking for. Not finding one proves it's non-existence. What makes searching for the unknowable interesting is that there's no clear place to look, there are only patterns to investigate, and ideas to try. As it currently stands human psychology is an "unknowable" field, as we do not yet have an understanding of the physical systems behind its manifestations. Are you saying all the things it has discovered prove nothing?

Because of this guys cock, kik username = Godda2882

>>744690197
u missed the point

>>744690478
Would you make it clearer for me?

>>744690537
u verify assumptions. They assumed its knowable and rant the test

>>744681926
Its a common statement buy Pentecostal preacher. I like to look at it like this. The Universe has made a Boeing 747. It to it over 12 billion years to do so. I guess a lot can happen in 12 billion years.

>>744679973
except evolution has a lot more proof to back it up.

a near death experiences seems to show that there are angels.

i just think that people are going to die and live in another world/ body.

>>744682712
Yes Please. = )

>>744683190
Mike Drop.

>>744691058
or its a mad dream of oxygen-deprived brain. Which is it, then and how do u know?

>>744677484
>Hey /b/, how do you know God exists?

He/she doesn't.
As a Catholic, I have come to the conclusion that all forms of religion need to be wiped out of existence. As a race of being we will never be able to move on to bigger and brighter things unless we do.

I will admit at first I used to think there was a way to allow religions to exist without getting into the way of things but its not a possibility.

Religions are excuses for people to deprive others of live and liberty.
Religions hold back progress
Religions create a completely useless class of being called the clergy, this includes religious teachers as well, I am looking at you rabbi and Imans. They take but do not produce anything.

>>744681438
>1
So the alternative is what? The whole universe has always existed?
ENTROPY MOTHER FUCKER.
THERMODYNAMICS MOTHER FUCKER.
It's literally impossible for the universe to have always existed. Try again.
>2
"after having existed forever" doesn't really aply to an entity who is independent of time and space. Also, why not? Why wouldn't such an entity consider creating other creatures to have a relationship with? You basement dwelling fedora tippers go on about wanting a waifu or whatever and yet you think a timeless entity wouldn't care about having someone to talk to?

I didn't bother reading the rest of your pic because you straw-manned the first two so hard.

>>744683280
How do you know you exist? Because you think so? I would argue with you that Spiderman exists ; I saw him at comic con. it just doesn't hold water. Also you are saying God exists because of you. That is a very high pedestal your standing on.

>>744677484
Because he hates me and is successful at fucking up my life.

>>744690793
That "rant" is important math describing the nature of numbers themselves. It is analysis of the information which was discovered investigating the unknowable. In this same way Einstein made assumptions about light, envisioned it, and discovered the theory of relativity. This is the investigation of the unknowable - a pursuit which may be fruitless but often leads to new things that are knowable.

>>744691977
no

>>744682751
>cogita

>>744692066
It's at the heart of human wonder and science itself, and yet you deny it. Why?

>>744677484
You don't know.

That's where that whole faith thing comes in.

>>744692218
if its unknowable, it CANNOT BE EXPLORED

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1 week ago I did a quadruple gymnast-like backflip in this. It was not me or the manufacturer. It was god thag gave me a chance/sign. Christian Orthodox church.

>>744692426
It cannot be known, but that does not mean it cannot be described in the greater context of how it relates to us. I cannot know the meaning of life, but I can identify it as a philosophical question. I can say the ways in which it us unknowable, and I can ponder their sources. With those ideas, sometimes I can even test new assumptions.

>>744691437
Entropy only applies to a closed system. It's not conclusively proven that the universe is closed. It also only applies under conservation of energy. It's also not conclusively proven that energy is conserved.

It's entirely possible that the singularities inside black holes lead to the creation of whole new universes. It's entirely possible that on long enough time scales, quantum fluctuations can lead to spontaneous local reductions in entropy sufficient to create another big bang. It's exceedingly unlikely, but if the universe has been around forever, then no matter how unlikely it is, as long as its technically possible, it would eventually happen.

But the biggest problem you have is that you're falling prey to special pleading. Whatever you could attribute to allowing a god to exist outside of time and space and/or exist forever, could just as well be applied to some physical process outside our known laws of physics.

Even if entropy applies completely to our observed 4d spacetime, this does not prevent there being some meta-universe outside our space time where entropy doesn't apply that can spawn new sub-universes.

>>744683280
I guess it comes down to this. I don't know if you're a bot or a human. Does that mean you are a human, because that is our defacto belief? Its inconclusive. I have to have faith. that you are a flesh and breathing human being. without empirical proof, you cant say there is a god. You have faith there is a god. Faith is a very important principle in Christianity. The earliest followers new there was no way to prove one way or the other that God exists you cant proof to me there is a god. thus, I choose not to follow the believes of said deity. why? I have only one life. and I'll never give it away to god, or politician. It seems illogical to me to do so.

>>744692571
Nope. A good Engineer and a bit of luck. thats what saved you. Don't take a mans' glory and give it to God. he may have had nothing to do with it.. I do hope you're ok.

>>744693093
>>I guess it comes down to this

No it doesn't. You're forgetting that nothing is really true or false, it's all shades of grey with some things being more likely than others. And you're forgetting all the little pieces of inductive evidence for and against things.

You don't have to have faith anything, and you can never be 100% certain of anything either. You can only be probabilistically sure that one thing is more likely to be true than another, or that something is more likely to be false rather than true.

Some of those things are ridiculously likely to be true. Based on all available evidence, I'd estimate that there's at LEAST a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% chance that the sun rises tomorrow. But it's not 100%. On the flip side the evidence for god existing never goes up. There is no prediction about how the world works based on the existence of god. People do plenty of post-hoc rationalization based on their god of choice but never make a prediction based on what they believe god must be like that doesn't predict something we already know to be true.

But this ISN'T to say that there ARE any scientific theories that apply to after death and souls, or any that have any supporting evidence that point to what happened to before the big bang. But we'd definitely got a veritable mountain of evidence that says the universe goes back to at least the big bang, and evolution is definitely the most likely theory at this point.

And so at this point, any God people want to believe in has to fit that universe where the big bang and evolution are a thing. And any theory or religion which also fits into that observable theory is just as likely as any other. So, why believe in that particular god? Might as well believe in the flying spaghetti monster for all the evidence it's supported by.

Another possibility is that the god of Abraham is dead, and that could be why the question of atheism has arisen so often in the past several decades, "miracles" don't happen anymore, and his followers are throwing tantrums.

>>744679624
Airplane parts don't react or reproduce spontaneously, unlike chemical substances. Also, life didn't have to originate in an environment hospitable to life today, just as you can't live in a pot of cast metal but you can live in a building made of metal that was once cast, and the hydrochloric acid in our stomachs is anything but a hospitable environment for our bodies to live in.
Also, you're begging the question that the human being is an engineered machine, without an understanding of chemistry or biology or the phenomena within those fields.
>tfw there are virii can self-assemble out of four constitutent proteins.

>>744680881
>protein
Sure, it's fucking improbable. But if every square meter of the earth or so is its own experiment and it runs a new experiment every time some little bit of a neighboring experiment sloshes into it, or some bit of space dust or molten lava hits it, or a high-voltage electrical discharge occurs, that's a lot of chances.

>>744692364
>faith
Believing that for which there is no evidence and significant counter-evidence because it serves an obvious agenda more easily and reliably explained by other human social and political phenomena. Nah, I'm good.

>>744693935
>why believe in that particular god?
Especially when that particular god's whole act is that of an abusive, drunken, whoring father.

>>744693935
>never make a prediction based on what they believe god must be like that doesn't predict something we already know to be true.
Hey, I don't mean to butt in, but people do that all the time. For instance, scientists who believe in simulation theory mostly postulate our reality as an ancestor simulation, as that's what a "God" who made our world could easily have intended - this is the post hoc rationalization (the source of the idea about our world). There isn't a lot that can be tested about it, other than it would mean we live in a simulation. There are currently tests being devised and executed for this theory.

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Listen, because I'm writing this on a shitty samsung. The airbag did not even deploy. The autimatic nature of these rear wheel drive vehicles makes them unreliable. When somebody starts to spin in a alredy spinning car and the seatbelt almost takes your ear off, if you ever get in this position ever... Words will escape from even the sharpest of tongues. Child.

>>744695143
But you survived. Jurring the whole accident did you see god, or any of his heavenly hosts?

>>744695360
Did you intentionally turn that d into the voiced affricate dʒ? (Jurring)

>>744681647

Shieeeet posting

>>744694527
Sure, but most people wouldn't call our simulation runners God, and what I meant was that there's never any prediction made that we then actually test and find evidence FOR. We've already tested and ruled out plenty of kinds of gods. But we've never found confirming evidence for one.

>>744679612
That is such a horseshit feel-good statement (as is expected from collective evolution). Being open minded has nothing to do with being tolerant of others. You can (and should) be intolerant of beliefs that threaten the life or rights of yourself or others and still be open minded to new ideas. "All of life's realities"? What? Collective evolution is such garbage intellectual masturbation.

>>744677484
well, there's OP's picture, for one.

Though she is also good to refute most Christian doctrine, which was all made up by a mean-ass homosexual misogynist, St.Paul didn't just hate women, he hated God for making women.

>>744696149
>most people wouldn't call our simulation runners God
Why not? They're likely not human. Can you imagine a simulation starting from the Big Bang? I can accept life being an important part of it, but not us, not right now. It seems... improbable. In identifying the nature of our reality, we seek to unravel this mystery, the mystery of our origins, of all of life, and of God. You say no evidence has lent credence, I disagree. I see evidence scattered throughout physics and biology. Pixels in reality" Quantum field theory, one of the most accurate theories we've ever tested. Frames of time? Don't get me started on Planck's work. The list goes on, and the theory driving these investigations into the nature of our reality goes back further than the allegory of the cave. Now, we're far more direct about it. We're actively trying to prove or disprove the simulation hypothesis (theory is a misnomer).

>>744679191
The problem with this famous "argument" to disprove science and say that it was impossible for life to be created without a God are mainly:
1) We DO NOT know the odds of life being formed spontaneously, because it's so fucking hard to know the exact conditions of the primal earth at the time life was formed.
2) The statement of "the odds of a wind blasting through a parts warehouse and assembling an airplane" are so vague and devoid of any meaning that (yet again) it's impossible to know that probability either.
I don't know where that phrase came from but I highly suspect it came from some religious preacher/group with no real data background.

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Hinduism is the most scientifically religion

>>744696897
The airplane part came from a radio show in the 80s, it was said by Meyerowitz of Caltech.

>>744696807
Because most people follow a judeo-christian god and any god other than their god is no god at all.

>>You say no evidence has lent credence, I disagree. I see evidence scattered throughout physics and biology

I'm talking about predicted and tested evidence. What you're talking about is post-hoc rationalization that can be the basis for a hypothesis, but it is not making a prediction that can be tested. We've never postulated that we're living in a particular kind of simulation, made a testable prediction about something that we do not already know the answer to, then done an experiment to test that prediction and find that the results match the prediction.

There's a huge difference between just finding a theory that matches all the existing evidence and taking a prediction from a theory and having it confirmed. There are an infinite number of theories that fit any observable set of data. But there are very few theories (by comparison, there's still an infinite amount but a far smaller infinite amount) which make predictions and are then confirmed.

>>744696897
It's also quite possible that conditions and probabilities needed to spontaneously form life are hundreds of orders of magnitude more likely than the airplane scenario.

>>744681647
>>744681647
>>744681647
Well,yes, /b does have lots of Nazis, but it also has some Antifas, so we have all kinds of gaping azzols, things even out.

OTOH, I DO want my Nazi scalps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHmTqoLjlXo

>>744696897
Also, it's not like waiting for a single set of airplane parts to assemble themselves just perfectly. It's more like waiting for billions of sets of billions of different kinds of parts to randomly form SOMETHING that can sort of kind of fly. Since all that had to happen is for any self-replicating set of molecules to form somewhere in the trillions of galaxies, billions of stars per galaxy and tens of planets per star, sometime in the last 14 billion years.

>>744692769
amazing, so instead of exploring the unknown, u explore the known

>>744677484
I don't, nor do I pretend to, but because I do not know I chose to live my life as a good person for my own sake. A plus is that, should one exist, he at least knows I'm not a dick.

>>744697878
The moon is not something you can grab hold of. I can't take hold of the moon and hand it to you and say "this is the moon", but I can point to it so you can see what I'm talking about even though it's out of reach for both of us.

>>744697472
We haven't had the understanding to describe our reality in a digital way before now and test that assumption, but the idea has been around for a long time. Much of what you call post hob rationalization was intended to shed light on the idea that there is something beyond the reality that we perceive / live in. This idea is ancient, so it's no surprise.

>We've never postulated that we're living in a particular kind of simulation, made a testable prediction about something that we do not already know the answer to, then done an experiment to test that prediction and find that the results match the prediction.
Not in these specific words / with this understanding, but we're expecting tangible results within the decade. Even if it fails, the search will continue because many of us suspect something more than what we experience.

I consider this a developing theory, with new evidence steering it into hopefully more accurate understandings. I don't think the simulation hypothesis will be the answer, but I think it's a step.

>>744698103
I can hold moon rocks, you can't? Do you not have hands?? How are you pointing???

>>744698103
uh-huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajbN3dlDfzE
here u have a cartoon taking about whats beyond the cosmos. Since we cant get beyond, we dont know, but since we r inside the cosmos, we couldve drawn the bordeline
i.e. WE R STILL IN THE KNOWN, CUZ WE CANNOT ACCESS THE UNKNOWN

I don't.

God is just for weak people
The strongest don't need a God coz we are god himself