Just shot heroin for the first time in 2 years AMA

>>744339552
how is it?

fake and gay

>>744339552
y

Can you share? W/ding from pst and oxy right now lol

>>744339552
Why did you go back to being a loser?

>>744339552
You fucking degenerate

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>>744339604
Amazing

>>744339622
Feels good man

>>744339552
what made you relapse? and was it heroin or fentanyl?

>>744339552
would you recommend doing it if you're depressed

>>744339634
Withdraw from opiates is hell, I don't intend to catch a habit again. Then again, who ever does?

>>744339637
Attempting to keep it under control this time

>>744339552
eating trans-dermal fentanyl is where its at bruvhhhh

>>744339552
What fucked up sequence of events led you back to this shit stained path?

>>744339836
>Attempting to keep it under control this time

ahahahahahahahahaha

hopefully you won't have to detox in jail, good luck.

>>744339815
Heroin, I made sure to do a match head sized first though, just in case. Although sometimes I feel I'd rather OD. Nothing in particular made me, I just gave in

>>744339827
Not really, depression will just come back and may even be worse once you sober up, just like anything else.

>>744339903
Never gotten my hands on them, but that's all you hear about anymore

>>744339921
Nothing in particular

dont ever do heroin kids, weed is so fucking potent these days youd never need to try anything else. ymmv on the potent weed though, best bets to move as west as you can because the east is home to too many fuccbois who never sell the really good weed unless its some outrageous price like 30 a gram because youre not a frat brother to them, they want you to get hooked on the other shit anyway that way they can be pieces of shits when their daddy gives them a job

>>744340048
Yep, that's a real bitch. However it is much easier in jail, for obvious reasons

>>744340272
>However it is much easier in jail, for obvious reasons

easier because you can't get your hands on more? because according to the heroin addicts i just spent a week with in detox (for alcohol), detoxing in jail was a hellish experience where no one really gave a fuck about helping them.

>>744340236
A thousand times this

You ever think you'll end up in jail, or like robbing people to get more?

>>744340236
Gtfo faggot weed is for high school kids

>>744340822
You ever shot heroin or coke?

>>744340783
Yes, because you can't get your hands on it. And you know this, so you just have to accept it and lay back till its over. Yeah, nobody cares about you, but it's jail. They're not supposed to. If you're lucky youll get some librium from the nurse and sleep a bit of it off

>>744340800
I have been there but i believe i can not make it a habit again so it won't come to that. I've been through too much to go back to that place. Just need to monitor and moderate

>>744340876
yes, it's OP

>>744341077
So your like of like bane now.
You need it constantly, and without it you'd die or something?

>>744341113
Show us the dope get rid of those blue things

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Honestly, it's a shitty addiction and it sucks I couldn't just let it go, because who knows what will happen from here. No matter how much I say I think I can moderate or keep it under control thats just not something I can say with confidence.

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>>744341363
Yeah, what this guy said.

>>744340783
I'm with this Anon. Wtf are you talking about? Its misery X2. Putting two miserable scenarios together doesn't cancel things out.

>>744341530
>muh CIA tracing and raiding opie for $60 of smack

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>>744341332
No what makes you think that?

>>744341363

>>744341580
I'm just saying it's easier than, say detoxing at home because after debating in your head "just one more" you end up going to cop. Or leaving detox and going to the hood. In jail, you have no choice

>>744339552

WTF is blue heroin? Ex-junkie asking.

>>744341736
Oh fuck he got the powder brown it just got real

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>>744341963
It's just the wax bag its in

>>744341736
Well I just figured that it was chemically addicting, resulting in psychological change in the mind.
I mean, with an altered psychology and perhaps world philosophy, you may find that nothing matters in existence besides the drug?
Kind of like a form of Nihilism, but with drugs.

>>744342088
After a few days of using you build a physical tolerance and will start feeling symptoms of withdrawal, yes. But not after one use in years

>>744341736
Lol, you're like a dude in a wheelchair now.
On a technical level you don't need it, but at what extent can a paraplegic live without the assistance?
You're so freaking Bane from batman!

>>744342088
He's an addict under the impression he can control it.
>delusional is the medical term.

>>744342312
This is like a soccer mom talking shit

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>>744342312

>>744342389
A little bit of denial in there too

>>744342389
Right, but like, you see what I'm saying though right?
If the world is Nihilistic and nothing matters, then fuck it, why not do drugs?
If it kills you, or shits on your life, then fuck it, amirit?
So, i'm just making the assertion that addictive drug use may exacerbate these kind of psychological philosophies.
I mean, what do you think?

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Finished up the first bag

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>>744342312
Speak of the Devil and he shall appear!

>>744342502
Denial on what end? People don't just wake up and say, "whelp, today's the day for shooting some H" it's cost and difficulty in getting scripts that begins it. If you use heroin you've got a problem, plain and simple. OP, what did you begin with? Oxys, Roxys, Loritabs? Getting blasted on Dilaudid? What??

>>744342670
You're giving it too much thought. It's not some thought process as much as a mechanism of the mind. It becomes all encompassing and takes over. There's no philosophy, more physiology.

>>744342680

Do another bag. Feel the pleasure. Go higher. There's no reason to stop.

>>744342425
I'm just trying to make some goofs and gafs.
But I don't know man, i've seen some fucked up shit come from meth-heads and shit.
I know it's not the same, but like those guys literally can't live without it.
Just making a lolzy comparison.

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>>744342312

>>744339552
overdose?

>>744339552
How do I find a decent connection? Always wanted to try

>>744342056

Never saw those. Of course, this was 15 years ago. Last time I hit was about 5 years ago with a 85lb stripper. Don't know if she had powder or crushed Oxys (which I had seen her smoke before). Almost came from the whole getting her hit out, getting everything setup then hitting the vein. It was glorious but I never felt the urge to do it again. What was more glorious was taking her black cherry later that night. My wife was pissed off at me for talking it up for a couple of months (the anal, not the H).

>>744342856
FOR YOU

>>744342856
FOR YOU

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FOR YOU

>>744342721
Not OP but I remember starting with Codeine otc on Canada then moved to the States and I think they flagged me or some bull, then i moved on ro Ketamine and finally H, I've been clean 1 year- ish but man threads like this make me smoke like a whore

>>744342891

Not OP but I've seen several people OD. None died.

>>744342905
If you're going to try it, find somebody who has already done it to guide you through the process/ritual.

>>744339552
worth it?

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>>744339552
Are you this maniac?

>>744343214
I know how to do it I've seen it done probably just under 100 times I just don't know where I'd find it anymore

>>744342856

FOR YOU

>>744339552

can i have some?

>>744342820
No, no, I totally hear you out.
But like, you see where i'm getting at though, right?
I've meet a lot of retarded, anarchists and nihilists and #yoloswagomgwtfbbq fags that literally don't give a fuck about anything.
I'm not saying they use drugs, but with that kind of mentality, amplified with the sexytime feeling of addictive substances, stopping becomes a philosophical question.
Ultimately; cosmically is there a reason drug users should stop doing drugs?
Not really?

>>744343200
Codeine, morphine, and proper heroin (black tar) are the only pure forms of morphine. Shit people sell nowadays is fentanyl bull shit or cut with melatonin or Tylenol or something. Lab results in my area came back with concrete in some mixes. Dealers don't give half a fuck.

How does it feel knowing that once you're full blown addicted again that this time around is going to be worse than anything you went through before?

>>744343368
>I just don't know where I'd find it anymore

And that's how you kick. Worked for me. Left my junkie wife and never looked back.

>>744343668
I'm not trying to kick I wanna try H lol

>>744343260
at least he's using clean needles

>>744343536
There are people who legitimately want to get clean, but can't because the detox hurts that bad. They will logically explain how it's the best thing and most hated thing in their lives. It's not a "fuck it" thing, but it can sometimes get there when you're doing 2g plus a day to maintain and just barely feel normal. Some pray for a hotshot.

>>744342856
For you

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>>744342825
I've got an amazing nod going, no reason to do more, vomit and go to sleep

>>744342891
I have in the past a few times

>>744342905
Do you live near a city, or a sketchy neighborhood?

>>744342989
Did you have to cook the powder?

>>744342856
FOR YOU

>>744343247
Totally

>>744343260
No lol

>>744343588
Feels shitty but I'll cross that bridge after i burn all the ones I've rebuilt >>744343760
I know that feel

>>744343760
If they don't go to rehab yeah it sucks but if they do they get suboxone which literally takes the horrible withdrawal symptoms away.

>>744343967
I'd rather withdrawal without subs, fuck THAT withdrawal

>>744344242
Unless you do it right by tapering down, but most people don't end up doing that

>>744343760
It's true, some of them want to get clean, but then again what about OP.
He quit for 2 years, went through withdrawals and then jumped back in.
I'm sure he has at least some kind of fuck it mentality.

>>744343967
My ass. Suboxone is a cop out so insurance companies can profit from that same addiction. Ever use Suboxone? The WDs are 5x worse than heroin. Methadone is even worse than suboxone. The only promising treatment is this extended release naltrexone Vivitrol stuff. No high, no dependence. You can no longer take opiates on it. Doctor administered (injection into your ass). Best thing following a detox. You can't have a trace of opiates in your system for it though, or you go into acute detox. Not fun, can put you easily into the hospital.

>>744344340
He said he "gave in" the cravings never leave. That is the monkey on his back. Its always, always there

>>744339552

I'm the blood stain, on your shirt sleeve, coming down and more are coming to believe

Now we know it all for sure

Make the hair stand, up on your arm, teach you how to dance inside the funny farm

Not alone, I'll be there, tell me when you wanna go

>more will be revealed my friend

>>744343559
Yeah I hear you bro, those first Codeine pills on an empty stomach were comparable to some of my H trips, the concrete situation is just what it is, dealers dgaf more g = more dosh Im pretty sure only <%20 of the times I shot it was the "good" shit

What were your withdrawal symptoms after the 2 years, also how long were you shooting before you quit?

>>744344498
Well that really sucks for OP.
At this point I guess you just have to ask, what's next?
He'll probably end up in jail or something, right?. . . on a side note, he totally is like a paraplegic!
He can live without the drug but it becomes inconvenient so he just gives in and gets back on.
If he could somehow microdose the injections it may be able to help him out.

>>744339552
Why are you a moron?

>>744345172
Go FUCK YOURSELF! Just because you think your religion is right that doesn't mean you can push it on other people!
and Lol @ you trying to assume his religion

Call the drug addiction recovery name and get help my friend
(888) 359-8159
Heroin relapse can be deadly

>>744344993
Diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, no appetite, heightened sex drive, entire body is achy, no sleep, cold sweats, misery

Oh and the worst, constant sneezing

>>744345358
He said "moron" not "Mormon", you moron.

>>744345539
Heroin can be deadly? My god.
I'd rather die than be dying

>>744345549
I think he was asking about the two years you were clean, not your active withdrawals. That stuff peaks at day 3 and usually ends at day 4.

>>744345569
>being this new

Hey OP if you don't care about dying why don't you go and do some cool ass life risking daredevil shit?

>>744344993
Do you mean like PAWS? (Post acute withdrawal symptoms)
Idk, nothing?

>>744344993
Also I was shooting ~10 months before I quit

So, how did you learn to shoot in the first place? Did you start by snorting heroin? By the way, oxycodone oral bioavailability is 80% there's no reason to smoke or snort it btw. That hooker was stupid.

>>744345778
I would but I'm not in any position to be acting up like that

>>744345883
A girl taught me, actually we were shooting coke mostly at first

I had been doing drugs and drinking heavily for years before. Mostly drinking on a daily basis and whatever else happened to come around

>>744341736
Doesn't look like very good stuff

>>744346135
Opioids are great way to realize how shit alcohol is and how bad alcohol treats your body. Opioid tolerance is not fun though but that comes on slowly. Alcohol is the real demon here.

However shooting coke is reckless as fuck and why you wouldn't just snort or smoke it....

>>744342856
FOR YOU

>>744345909
I don't get it?
If death didn't matter then why not go out and do crazy ass shit, you could pretty much do anything and it wouldn't matter.

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>>744346293
That rush though

>>744346472
Just because I don't care about dying doesnt mean I wanna fuck around and then have an even shittier life

>>744346481
You have ruined it. Never inject anything. Didn't your mother teach you manners. And probably except for those few first times the rush is nonexistent, you are/were probably just addicted to the actual needle. It's kind of a Pavlov's reaction.

>>744346635
It would be way more fun than what you're doing now.
wtf, it wouldn't be a shittier life, it would be fucking badass as fuck.
You'd die a lot quicker so you wouldn't have to deal with the consequences.

>>744346693
False, you always get a rush, at least the first shot of the day

>>744347058
Like what things do you have in mind

>>744347152
Fuck!
I was actually hoping you weren't going ask that.

The problem is that different people have different things they find fun.
So I wouldn't be able to list the exact one thing that you could go do to get your rocks off before jumping into an early grave.

Just can't do it, not enough information, and time to think of it.

Not a lot of people in the population are not willing to die for a cause, so I came into this unprepared.

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I threw up in this bag

>>744341077
theres no such thing as an ex heroin addict figuring out how to do it in moderation. thats like a person with a gambling problem going back to the casino and saying "dont worry, i left my wallet in the car"

youre either done or you're done. you dig?

>>744347516
Honestly, I'd like to travel again. When i was using before I went all over. From NJ up to almost Canada. Over to Tennessee.
Then from NJ to Chicago, down to colorado Over to North Carolina. Obviously plenty of stops in between, but Id definitely like to do some more of that

>>744347815
Yes but sometimes I like to lie to myself until it blows up in my fave

>>744346135
sounds a lot like a girl I knew. was it sally swank? always used to find her tumbled over in the bushes or something, god what a drunken hot mess haha

>>744347879
Humans were originally roaming nomads, it's a nod from your ancestral roots.

You could do it again.
When nothing is available everything becomes equally possible.

Think I'm gonna head to bed y'all, got work in the morning.
Night /b/ thanks for keeping me company for a while, and reminding me what a bitch it is trying to type while nodding out.
Wish me luck /b/ros

>>744347599
drink it.

>>744348421
Only after we've lost everything are we free to do anything

>>744339552
Have you ever tried microdosing your habit?

>>744346481
my buddies used to shoot coke a lot and yell "ITS ALL ABOUT THE RUSH!" every time they pushed the plunger down. it was super funny in a fucked up way. sorta like how people yell KING IN THE NORTH! in GOT

>>744348577
Do you feel free?

>>744348670
No but I haven't lost everything

>>744348874
Do you need to lose everything in order to do something?

>>744349022
Who said I don't do things? For the record, I was quoting a movie

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>>744348602
>microdosing heroin shots

>>744348602
Nope

>>744349168
kek

one of the few reaction replies that have made me laugh, idk why this one did it.

lol op is either nodding out right now or already dead

>>744349168
Wtf, how is that a bad idea?
I feel that less heroin in your body is better, so if you're going to do heroin why not just lower the dosage.

>>744349388
you don't know what you're talking about

>>744349212
Seriously though, how is that a bad idea?

>>744339552
>Just shot heroin for the first time in 2 years
>AMA
Call ur sponsor

>>744349388
why the fuck would a smackhead want to lower the dosage. fuck off, Jr.

>>744342856
For you

>>744349436
What?
Dude, I know if you're hungry and you eat half a sandwich it's still better than eating nothing.
What is this all-or-nothing ideology that you can't shake off?

If I can't eat a 10 course meal I refuse to eat anything at all.

>>744349446
its all the trouble and potential harm of shooting up with absolutely no effect. besides you cant really microdose painkillers it wouldnt do shit besides probably giving you a tolerance without ever getting you high.

>>744349449
Looks like I'm gonna need to pick myself up a white keytag

>>744349539
I thought the whole point, saying he was clean for 2 years, was that smackheads want to quit but can't?

>>744349728
more like half a breath mint

>>744342670
Saying nothing means anything then making an admission of existence.. That you like drugs.. seems self contradictory

OP where are you located, and if youre near me, can you hook me up?

>>744343536
Do you think nihilism is bad?.

>>744349836
They always say when they do it its going to be the last time

>>744346635
You're so fucking dead

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>visit transylvania
>worried about draculas
>shoot up heroin
>draculas attac
>drink heroin blood
>draculas are addicted to heroin now
mfw dumb draculas are junkies for eternity now

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>>744349758
Then why not take a little bit more, but not over the top, the scale can be more liberal than High and nothing at all.
Pic related

>>744350156
Nihilism has no subjective outline as good or bad.

>>744349836
well if hes just getting back on it, hes not trying to quit at the moment, now is he??

also, when you go to rehab for heroin, do you think they microdose the fucking patients? what world are you living in?

>>744350551
well yeah but thats just normal dosing. microdosing implies only a tiny amount. like homeopathy but for drugs.

>>744350244
Why not say, I'll do it, I know i'm going to do it.
So i'm going to do the minimum possible to get slightly high, and if I take too much no big deal, happy surprise, take a slightly lower amount to reach desired outcome.

>>744349892
kay, so, half a breath mint, why not take like 3 breath mints then? Or like 8, or if you're really hungry like 10-20. A bag of lifesavers has about 308 mints.
You see what I'm saying, it's still not all in but you're just moving up the grayscale that is dosage.

>>744350753
Thats called weening yourself off. The point behind that saying is that its too goos to quit. Its very cheap and the rush feels good. If youve ever gotten high on a painkiller like a vicodin or norcon, then you know the feeling. Its like that except you feel it in your body instantly as soon as you loosen the belt.

>>744347950
Word bro im at a year and a half clean and i got four more years of probation left. The second im off is the second i start shooting meth and heroin again

>>744349896
It's not self contradictory, because the lack of meaning in the universe doesn't contrast with the ability for humans to like things.

A human can still like drugs even if they hold the belief that nothing they do has any value or inherent "mattering."

The problem arises from the abstractness of nothing, everything and anything. Those kind of infinite absolutes don't quantify easy in an finite existence.
I get what you mean though, and I don't even know if I got it right with this explanation.

>>744350702
Sure, that's fine.
I guess my terminology was a little wack, but you kind of agree with the idea though, right?
I mean, if someone does heroine, and has for some time, they should know how much is enough and take a little bit less.

If "little bit less" doesn't matter because still same amount, than take just a little bit more less.

>>744344242
ibogaine my dudes. quit for good and never look back.

Im 45 days clean and I miss that shit. Have fun homie.

>>744350664
You're confusing his short-term goals with his long-term goals.
It's an obvious assertion that he want to quit, or has been with his statement, I had quit for 2 years.

He relapsed and his day-to-day short-term goal, I won't do heroin failed. His long-term goal still remains true: I want to quit heroin.
Yes, he relapsed, however it's a fallacy to say that he doesn't want to quit, even if it's a momentary lapse.

The argument stands, "why would he lower the dosage", to try to quit.
"He's not trying to quit he just used heroin", a setback in a long-term goal doesn't eliminate the continuation of said goal.

Wtf, yeah- (some)rehab clinics administer opioid substatus or similar sedatives to counteract the side effects associated with withdrawal, and wean patients off opioids; nigga.

>>744351587
I get what you mean now. and yeah thats totally possible. I've been doing the same amount of heroin almost every day for like a year now and definitely nowhere near a large dose.

>>744351099
No, no, I'm not saying wean yourself off, I'm saying keep weaning.
The problem, people claim, is that it's too good to quit; so don't quit.
If it's cheap then even better!
You can buy a bag that would last you 3 days and make it last for 5 days.
You can get a rush that feels kinda good?

That's kind of my argument though, people relapse because they know they can't quit.
So why not just get kinda high?
I'm not talking about getting a little high, or "rush feels good" high.
But a inbetween, a kind good high?
So that way, you don't lose yourself in the ecstasy and burnout while crashing, but just kind of happy and then kinda bummed. While at the same time you don't have to suffer from mind contorting cravings from complete withdrawal. Only like, kinda annoying cravings?

>>744352921
Lol youre weird

>>744340048
Tru

>>744341077
Dawg. You do know how quickly tolerance for heroin comes back, right?

>>744352921
I'm guessing you have no idea what dope feels like.

>>744353104
Also same poster. Philly stamps right?

>>744353115
this. Compulsive redosing is a thing with heroin

>>744353256
Yup Philly. Bonus points for the street names

>>744352353
See, that's pretty good.
I mean, heroin can sometimes make the day better or make it worse, but if you continue doing the same exact amount day in and day out, without it escalating, you're good, you're golden ponyboy.
Thing is, sometimes you could feel like having a really good day, nowhati'msayin, and take a bit extra.
That's when things get a bit risky.
or, like
When depression hits and finding reasons to live become actual questions, so the dose goes up a bit, just to make the day end faster.
That is some risky-risky territory, it's going to happen, not saying avoid it, just navigate those treacherous waters as if you've been there before.
Get like a navel map, or a compass or something, or like a starmap?

>>744353256
Also you can't really build a tolerance if youre not using daily or even more than once a week

>>744353481
Boy, right? Lmao I have my own relapse thread too >>744351596

>>744339552

Aren't any of you junkies terrified to do any of this considering the huge issue with fentanyl? There's been like 5+ deaths this week where I am from it. Personally can't stand junkies so I hope the number rises tbh.

>>744353595
You're right. Well. it would be a small tolerance

>>744353633
Yes sir

>>744353652
I wouldn't mind dying. Also it's as simple as doing a small shot at first just to make sure

>>744353679
Stay safe dude. We don't need another tombstone of a good life squandered. Fuck I should get to sleep I'm nodding over my phone

>>744353537
I've been doing heroin and opiates for about 7 or 8 years now. Ive handled having a bit more and going back to my normal dose as well as having a bit less sometimes and even reducing my regular doses. Gotten pretty good at stabilizing.

>>744353115
Sorry mate, :(
I was just trying to try to understand the situation.
Asking you to quit would just make me like every other one of those guys.
Which, sure, is the "best" thing you can do.

But, fuck it, if you literally can't quit then don't quit. Don't take that large of a threshold, don't leap from on to off, black to white, stay in the gray.
Become a dude that does heroin but is able to run his life at 60-80% efficiency while the sober guy does 80-100%
Who cares, it's still better at like 40-50%

Don't quit if you can't, try living your life in the best way that you can with this heroin dependency.
It ALLLLLLLllllll goes back to the paraplegic analogy.
If you literally can't be without heroin(wheelchair) and being without it is painful(drug/wheelchair) then don't go without it. But at the same time, know that you can still function and live your life trying to stand up or become independent even if disabled.

>>744354318
I'm not OP just so you know. and my quality of life is wayyy better than sober. plus i dont have to be on massive amounts of anti depressants and anti anxiety and sleep meds.

>>744354667
like sober me is at 60%, regular dose heroin me is at 100%. its not a crutch, its literally improved my life.

>>744354310
Fuck yeah dude, that's how it's done.
I really don't get all these people shaming heroin users, I mean, yes it does debilitate you to some extent, that is undeniable. But just because I said that, that doesn't mean you're working at like 60% capacity of your actual potential. People think when you do heroin, you become a retarded vegetable or something.
I know that's not the case.
So, sure, that does happen, but look man, not everyone is going to be the perfect version of themselves.
I mean, I don't do drugs, and every day I can feel my mind slipping. It's like everyday I feel this haze growing, and communication with other humans becomes seemingly unnatural.

If you can live with heroin, I'm not going to tell you to quit or change yourself in any way, but humans are pack animals.
In a pack we look out for those who tend to become frail, I'm not saying you are that, but I just want to say, good luck dude.
A day will come that the monotony of life hits a tightrope and you'll have to be prepared to walk or fall.
. . . . . or idk, maybe not, I mean, fuck it, some people are just really good at what they do.

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>>744340822
No I isn't faggot,

>>744340822
it's not just for high school kids, also for those who want to live, or live without a crippling addiction

>>744354667

Oh grow the fuck up boohoo my life is so hard -queue shitty edgy RipChester song in the background- I need to do drugs so I don't feel so down about life how about you grow the fuck up like the rest of us did and learn to enjoy the good things in life without fucking it up for everyone else? Go lobotomize yourself if that's what you want but leave your family and friends out of it you retarded cunt

>>744339552

OP, please stop. I had a friend who did the same thing. Stopped for two years, slipped up once, ended up overdoing. He's dead and I'll never see him again. Don't run the risk of doing that to your friends and loved ones.

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>>744355160
The fuck is your problem? I'm just trying to explain why I dont need random kids on /b/ trying tell me to quit doing my normal shit. Seems like you could use a chill pill yourself. Did mommy forget to bring your tendies? is that why you're so butthurt mr grownup?

>>744354667
No man, I totally feel ya.
There are sober people out there that literally turn into amorphous flesh bags of apathy and societal loathing.
I get that mane, I get heroin is your thing dude, but the only reason people give you shit about it, (or don't, i'm not you, I don't know) is that we think you'll end up in jail, or homeless or in severe pain both physical/mental.
Right, so- real question why should be give a shit about you; why care about junkies whom do heroin or kill themselves overdosing?

and dude-bro, I really don't know the true and honest answer to that question.
But- all I know is that a ancestral suge, some kind of primitive neurological function tells me to minimize human suffering for some reason?
I don't want you hurt, for why idk, and my monkey brain is telling me that heroin hurts people so I should stop them from doing it.

We aren't monkeys though, if you can live a fulfilling existence while doing heroin, I shouldn't have that right to silence your choices.

>>744339836
good luck. Some can do it, many can't. Hopefully you're one of those exceptional human beings.

>>744354805
Sure, that happens to some people.,,
but.. wait, WTF, you just said sober you is at 60% and high you is 100%.
That's the freaking analogy!
Wheelchair guy is at 60% (because he has to crawl around and shit) but with the chair he's like 80-90% (because fuck crawling around, probably couldn't even feed himself without that chair.)
Right!
am, I misunderstanding the situation?

My cousin pretty much killed himself on drugs, and I understand why people do them even if they aren't depressed like he was. It's fucking fun, and I'm not going to beg you to stop like a normie faggot, but the I hope you understand entirely what it is you're doing. I could care less if people want to get high as fuck, or even waste away on an adiction. But they always fail to understand that with markets like cocaine and heroine, or even meth, there's a massive network of suffering that you're fueling. You're fueling the suffering of countless people by buying shit from an illegal market, and you can blame the government or those people all you want, but until it's legalized or decriminalized the blame for families being ruined, people dying, getting killed, and everything else is the user's fault. That shit alone is enough of a reason for me to stay away, and keep a clearer conscience, never mind the less than pleasant side effects

>>744355653
I've got a job, a car, a girlfriend, a home, and I'm pretty happy. heroin just happens to be a part of my life. I've been doing the same dose for a long time, stopped when I had to stop for whatever reason, resumed when I felt like it. sure it would be nice to have some extra cash from not buying it sometimes, but its not like I'm broke and besides that I dont see why its anyones business anyways.
>>744355874
I meant sober me as in before I ever started doing H in the first place. so If you meant he was born not able to walk then yeah, I have a natural chemical deficiency in my brain for producing serotonin.

>>744355903
My drug dealer sends food, money, and supplies to poor communities in honduras. In fact I gave him a whole bunch of soap and shampoo to send there for them as well. Plus he uses his job to feed like 15 people and provide for their housing, education, and healthcare in the states. so its not always all bad.

>>744355640

No you're saying that doing drugs is the only way you can go through life without resorting to antidepressants or whatever meanwhile you think you are so unique in your existential suffering well newsflash champ, literally every adult to ever walk the earth has gone through the same mental process and there are plenty of rational perspectives that allow you to enjoy life without having to lobotomize yourself and be a brainless subhuman you fucking junkie cunt also the problem is that heroin addicts always prey on those who care for them to give them free stuff because they are lobotomized subhumans

>>744342856
FOR YOU

>>744356392
It's great that your dealer is a family friendly version of Walter White, but not everyone's like that. To me it's a sad situation that I don't feel like worsening so I can live a certain lifestyle- we already do that every day as Americans. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love the way we live and it isn't like I'm giving it up, but pretending like everything's ok is one of our biggest disgraces. Your dealer shouldn't have to send aid to those areas, people shouldn't have to do horrible things to move a product that'll ruin lives only to do it all over again the next morning. It's just all fucked

>>744356585
If you ate a dick would you shut the fuck up?
>goes to a heroin user AMA
>gets mad at heroin user for being a heroin user
yeah you seem like the authority on enjoying life.

>>744356141
Right, sober you, before heroin.
I mean, the guy could be born that way or developed it through some kind of accident, it makes a difference but I don't think it changes things that much.

Old you can be the handicapped guy, right. Like you had trouble doing stuff, kind of awkward or I don't know man, I didn't know your condition.
Right so, you were this guy who's shit was fucked, kind of like a paraplegic man.
You were functioning at half your capacity.
The paraplegic man is functioning at half capacity(without wheelchair) because he has to crawl around and shit, or like hobble if he's missing just one leg.

So you decided to fix your situation, you were tired of being this dude whom you described as dysfunctional; by doing heroin.
Like, cool, that worked out. It may have been an intentional reason to do heroin, or just a positive result, but it worked, the reason doesn't play a part in the analogy.

This paraplegic guy, he's tired of stumbling around, (or crawling) so he gets himself a pegleg, (or wheelchair.) Now he's doing pretty good, he can do a bunch of stuff that he wasn't able to do before.
Without that particular item, you and the old man revert back to your old self, you akward (or whatever your condition was) and the old man, crawling around on the floor. So, the analogy goes.

Am I close, or is it still off?

>>744357136
yeah pretty much. I just dont really get your point. like the dude shouldnt use a wheelchair because if he had no wheelchair he would have to crawl? so he should just crawl the whole time? I guess I just dont understand what you're trying to get at with this analogy.

>>744357347
Well fuck, I guess using that analogy you shouldn't stop doing heroin.
I guess I really didn't think that through all the way, I was trying to make the connection between heroin and a crutch. Which analogously makes sense.

Hmm-
so what's the problem then, social stigma I guess, people looking at you in a negative light but, fuck it, handicaped people get that shit all the time.

I don't know man, I guess the problem isn't really heroin, it's people dying and stealing to get heroin.
I guess that's always been the problem, but then again people killing themselves and steal has always been a human problem even before widespread drug use.
I guess I just don't want your shit to get fucked, but if it's not getting fucked then I shouldn't shit on you over it.

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Why am I the only user in this thread now? I could have sworn there were like three other people at least before OP fell asleep. Where my dope people at?

>>744358527
What's there left to talk about?

>>744339836
>keeping intravaneous opioid use under control

What a joke. I've done so many opiates and don't get the high at all, it sucks to me, I'd rather take a fat dab and get stoned and feel good the next day.

To think pill poppers have a hard time but shooting up is easy, lol. Admit youre just relapsing.

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dubs gets free weed

>>744358527
Look man, all I know is that ton of people die from heroin, sometimes it messes up their lives before they die, sometimes nothing happens and then live peacefully.

Heroin isn't the only way to wreck your life, I get that, but it kills people so it's hard for a modern society to accept it without hurting the people who use it.

I mean, weed doesn't kill anyone, ever, and yet people shit on it as if it fucking cuased the holocaust or something.

Give it some time dude, heroin-bros will get the help they need once we evolve as a functional society.

I guess thread is kill.
Goodnight guys
don't die, and don't let others do decision making for you

>>744359988
WINRAR DOUBLE DUB DUB THREE DUBS IN A TUB

>>744339552
Anon, I hadn't used in six months, barely a week into my my fiance of 7 years overdoses in my bed like it was the thing to do. She's dead. Not to kill your high, I dunno why I'm even writing about it. Maybe I'm hoping to encourage you to think a little deeper about what can happen. Anyway enjoy, I'll be getting more in a couple days.

>>744360315
OP's been gone for a real long time now. but sorry to hear about your fiance bruh that sucks. hope you guys are doing ok now.

>>744360674
Eh not really man, I'm a fucking mess still

>>744339552
How does one start to use heroin? Like initially. What kind of people use it? How do you get caught up with these people? I'm just curious how someone becomes a junkie, I've abused pretty much every drug besides meth and heroin. Never even seen either

>>744361374
not OP, but for me a friend in college was smoking it on tin foil and gave me a few puffs in exchange for letting them borrow a mechanical pencil and it immediately felt amazing.

you guys should all move to the phillipines

>>744339552
Shut the fuck up

I've been thinking about doing heroin forever. What does it feel like and is it similar to any drugs?

Nigga that needle is a animal needle. Fucking fake nigger!

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>>744361748
why dont you go choke to death on a dick faggot

>>744362146
why don't you go do that when you run out of money for heroin and end up blowing old men at truck stop bathrooms lmao

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>>744362190
because I'm not your mother.

>>744342856
Lolololgggggggg

>>744342856
FOR YOU

>>744339552
Why do men have nipples?

>>744342989
You fucked a 85 pound nigger?

>>744340822
Fucking retard neck yourself

Have you got a deaf wish?
What if you take too much that you can't hear anything?

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>>744339552
...
>what does "amazing" feel like

>>744347599
I feel that

>>744344376
Nah. Methadone is doable if you wean down properly. I did it slowly over 2 years from 160mg a day.

Finished program 4 years ago. Never think about fucking up. Ever.

>>744339552
Dweeb...

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What a trashy, awful thread

>>744365264
*death

>>744339552
Good shit my man. I've been doing Fentanyl for over 6 months now. Just went 24 hours without it because I was waiting on more to arrive but it was a day late. Last night was HELL. Couldn't sleep, cold sweats, restless legs, horrible migraines, just generally feeling like death. When the postman came today with the Fent I was so happy. Took a hit and instantly felt 100%. God I need to get off this shit but it's so fucking hard.

Must not be very good horse if you can type responses

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>>744366274

>>744362358
What are you, a heroin addicted 5th grader?

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>>744366590

>>744339552
Judging by time and date, op is in southern Hemisphere

>>744342856
FOR YOU

iam on etizolam now