So what do you guys think about nihilism? Discuss.

It doesn't matter.

>>744297522
Time Only exist while you are alive when you die so does time

>>744297522
I don't believe in nihilism

>>744297522
>listening to the jew

whites will never be free

>>744297591
What happens when you're asleep ?

>>744297607
What do you mean? It's not really believing in something, it is a way to see things. Do you think there is some purpose in life, something beyond our physical world as we see it?

>>744297732
It skips to when you wake up

>>744297735
I don't mean

what is nihilism? what does one believe in?

>>744297522

Garbage ideology for lazy faggots who are too pussy to deal with the real world.

There's nothing valid about nihilism. Anyone who says otherwise is either a 12 year old edgelord or is a libertarian autist.

>>744298321
For all I know nihilism means adapting the idea that life doesn't really have meaning and we are just a grain of sand floating in the never endless void. Nothing matters, so there is no point to belive some political, moral or religious cause. You are nothing, embrace it

>>744298639
this. if you truly don't care, you'd be unimpeded by morals, society, and feel no capacity for selflessness. nihilists are just whiny little bitches who dont have anything going for them. If they did, they wouldn't be nihilists

>>744298723
Nihilist here, can confirm

"nothing matters, so may as well have a good time"
- someone

>>744297522
Ultimately they might be correct, but living your life that way is not fulfilling.

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>>744297704
>jews
Id fuck his gf bloody

>>744298639
Being nihilist doesn't disconnect you from the real world, by rejecting classical social values you can find some new ones that fit you and the way you see existence. For me since there aren't really a meaning in life the best you can do is to profit of it. what would it change to behave in one or another way all for the same finality

>>744297522
Nihilism? Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos.

>>744298964
Good point. No reason to mope around about it. Just fuck around and do everything you can while you still have time to.

I think nihilism has a bad reputation that it doesn't deserve because a shit load of angry young people who very much do think there is point and purpose in the universe and feel like our world is betraying it call themselves nihilists and a shit load of ignorant people believed them that that is what nihilism means.

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Genuine nihilism is interesting.
Edgy teenage "nihilism" is just stupid. If nothing truly matter - why do you insist on spouting your message of "nothing matters" at anyone who would care to listen?

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>>744299114
This

>>744299114
Then what is your definition of nihlism? I'm being serious.

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Caring about stuff is for faggot enough said

>>744299114
exactly. too many people confuse fatalism for nihilism.

>>744298723
ty, sounds depressing af.

>>744299055

Nihilists think they aren't playing the game, and by not playing the game, they avoid losing.

2 things;
1. You're still playing the game, you're just losing more, and when people tell you as such, you deny being dealt in.
2. Nihilism itself is a fundamentally flawed concept; Society doesn't function within a vacuum, it functions within itself.

>>744299257
Not really. If you truly believe that you don't care. You just accept it as fact and move on.

>>744299207

Btw this is a great show, been watching it since the 1st season. Stop calling it cancer just cause it's become popular

>>744299136

Fucking this.

most nihilists are edgy fedora tipping "intellectuals" who watch rick and morty and sit on reddit

>>744299323
the 1st season was "great", second season was a mixed bag of shit and good episodes. so far the third season is utter bullshit and hasn't made even crack a smile even once.

PICKLE RICK LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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>>744299197

Standard fare. That the universe is without inherent meaning or purpose or value. That there is no objective morality.

That's pretty standardard for nihilism. But there are variations.

Here's a cute saturday morning breakfast cereal comic on the matter.

Did you ever see The Big Lebowski?

>>744299416
Completely agreed

>>744297562
lol
>>744297522
if life is meaningless and has no point then you might as well enjoy it anyways

>>744299136
Guy I knew years back was a nihilist, and despite his acknowledgement that nothing mattered, he couldn't help himself telling everyone that he was a nihilist and that anyone who wasn't as such was stupid.

He's a fucking moron, and that seems to be the overarching theme of them.

>>744299416
>burp
>morty god isnt real LOL
>IM PICKLE RICK XDDDDD

>>744299539

I'm a nihilist. And this is the first time i've mentioned it in *looks at wrist* probably 10 years.

Do i win a cookie? I want a snickerdoodle.

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>>744299207
I didn't say shit about the show I don't fucking care about your lil tv program faggot

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it's the way to go.

>>744299539
I see that a lot too. It's the same with Christians and vegans. "Look at me! I'm special because I worship this or don't do that!" People feel like they need acknowledgement of their beliefs to be justified in believing them.

>>744299536
Op here. That's my point. Being nihilist doesn't mean sit in your room and cry all day. Once you accept it you can aswell profit you your meaningless existence. Even better, helps you to not give a fuck in certain difficult situations

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>>744299136
4chang is on the picture Riiiiiiiiiii

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>>744298723
No, you fucking retards. That's just existential nihilism, the most famous and most stupid form of nihilism. True, original nihilism is, at its root, a rejection of knowledge. It's basic meaning is "you can't actually KNOW anything", from which the conclusion "so don't even bother" is often (but not always!) drawn.

>>744299317
you just made me lose the game fug you

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Just stop caring about anything do you want to and Don't give a fuck cause it doesn't matter

>>744299763

It's funny, you seem to think your understanding of nihilism is any better, but it's just as stupid. I'm sorry, did I insult your retarded fucking ideology? Get a job, faggot.

>>744297522
absurdism > nihilism

>>744299964
fuck you asswhip
read a fucking book once in your life

>>744300023
Develop.

>>744297522
nihilism is for edgy atheist faggots
real man live fulfilling lives for the lord

>>744300026
i red one fish two fish read fish blue fish yesterday you uncultured swine

Why are you guys arguing? You are just making yourselves look retarded.

>>744300162
I doubt even that

>>744300026

Says the dipshit using a truly retarded worldview as an excuse for your complete lack of ability to function in society.

Fucking kill yourself.

>>744300177
Have you ever been on internet before?

>>744300273
The thread's full of nihilists, I don't see how they don't stop after realizing there is nothing to gain from this.

>>744300177
no u

>>744297522

It gets a bad rep, because the truth hurts.

Most peoples egos can't handle it or people who place too much emphasis on being happy.

They're kinda right though. So far life hasn't presented a purpose.
It's a 'fuck it, we all die, let's just enjoy every second of the ride' mentality.

I'm kind of a fan of epistemological nihilism. Doesn't have much application in the real world, because sooner or later, you're eat that ham sandwich. But i think it is the most sound position to have.

>>744300350
Talking to ppl and know their opinions and points of view is always enriching

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Oooh shit you motherfuckers wanna miss with Nietzsche i killed god bitches

>>744297522
I'd say you should neck yourself, but it won't matter either way.

>>744299136
why is the martian on there
what?

>>744300371

The irony.

Nihilism stems from unremarkable people angry at society for ignoring them. Failing to acknowledge that the world we live in requires tribal engagement doesn't make them smarter or more capable; In fact, it makes nihilists less so;

Autists claiming nothing matters because they don't have the capability to exist within a social heirarchy should be laughed out of the public sphere. The only validity to existence is to play the fucking game.

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Do what you want

>>744300714

Validity is not required for existence or happiness.

The pursuit of the meaning of life isn't an objective artifact of human existence. It is, for lack of a better term, a meme.

It isn't required for anything. It's just a thing a lot of people choose to do.

>>744300714
Nope Rome fell all civilization fall everything burns we all die it's the most beautiful thing the world burn everything n everyone

>>744300932

Choosing to not participate within the bounds of society isn't enlightened, it's lazy and unremarkable.

>>744300531
Not when everyone is just telling each other to kill themselves or get a job or to shut up.

Nihilism is inherently contradictory, and anyone who calls them self a nihilist is a hypocrite.

Example: A nihilist may say "There are no objective values or purposes in life", or "Nothing matters". These are both self-detonating statements, and are false.
1) "There are no objective values or purposes in life" is a statement of objectivity. When one uses the word "is", they are making an absolute statement - an objective statement. All objective statements presupose that truth is preferable to falsehood. Thus, truth being preferable to falsehood is an objective value, so nihilists have to abandon that argument.

We need only to look at how people behave to debunk "there are no objective purposes". If you have any knowledge of economics, you know that individuals act to maximize their own utility. This could mean either to work for wage (valuing the wage more than the time they spend working) or giving to charity (valuing the benefits and the feeling they get from giving more than the money they give). If human decision-making is based upon maximizing utility, that is what we call a 'purpose'. This also applies to suicide (valuing nothingness, or lack of pain, more than continuing to live)

tl;dr: Nihilism is a worldview for the philosophically illiterate

>>744300999

Nihilism doesn't prescribe you to not interact with society.

>>744297522
Yet another RELIGION.

>>744301035

It is also the position of people who know that hypocrisy isn't synonymous with wrongness.

>>744301092
Is it? What do we worship?

>>744301060

I said participate, not interact. There's a hefty difference.

>>744301097
Hypocrisy is absolutely synonmymous with wrongness. More philosophical illiteracy. Truth is objectively preferable to falsehood, and consistency is preferable to inconsistency. If you say "consistency is preferable to inconsistency", its internally consistent, and can be logically maintained. However, "inconsistency is preferable to consistency" is a statement of consistency, thus must be rejected because it contradicts itself. Internally inconsistent claims are inherently false.

Square circles are contradictions in terms.

>>744301097
literally doublethink

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>>744301287
you don't need to beliv that everybody you are talking to are philosophically illiterate

>>744301097

>hypocracy isn't synonymous with wrongness.

Yes it is. Deciet, incincerety, and dishonesty are literally synonymous with hypocracy.

>>744297522
Literally the ideology for emotional edgelords

>>744301533
It's not a belief, it's a fact. If you hold inconsistent values, you don't know anything about philosophy.

It's like saying "Just because I can't count doesn't mean I'm mathematically illiterate!"

>>744301190

I don't think so.

Nihilism is a statement about the world, about reality. It doesn't make any statements about how one should act. It doesn't prescribe justified and nonjustified behaviors. It doesn't care about that.

You could be a soup kitchen worker and still be a nihilist. They have nothing to do with each other. Now, if you as a soup kitchen worker justify your work as having some objective meaning or purpose in the world, then no, you're not being a nihilist. But that isn't actually really required.

I think that most people assume that it is impossible or at the very least intolerable to live without meaning. When it is merely intolerable or impossible for them.

>>744301542
>>744301350
>>744301287

A murder kills a man. He then says, "Murder is wrong."

He is a hypocrite. Is he wrong?

>>744299114
why does this post have the 4chan logo?

>>744301822

Because i'm an incorrigible attention whore faggot.

i think a fairly large segment of humanity are in point of fact at their core nihilists despite what they would have you think they believe in/appear to be, it is why the world functions as it does...war, greed, envy, corruption, etc. of course this fluctuates in the population, so that at any given moment there's enough logic/common sense which either propels us moving forwards or ultimately killing ourselves. (sadly i think that ratio isnt enough to counter the bad parts of humanity for quite some time so we are steadily killing ourselves slowly and yet at any moment that could skyrocket)

>>744301716
You are using wrong in two different contexts. The first one, where the murderer says murder is wrong, is being used in a way to describe the moral level of an action. The second one, where you ask if he is wrong, is being used to determine whether the statement the man made is true or false. Please elaborate on what makes an action "wrong" before I make a sound response.

>>744301004
Why just not ignoring them? Are you really that affected when ppl tell you to kys online? Fucking kys fag

>>744301987
I'm not affected by it. I am curious as to why they would be so stupid as to use phrases like kys or stfu to justify their argument.

>>744299010
she sounds like she has been in some sort of car accident, severe brain damage style
half the time she isn't even saying proper words, they are just odd noises

I'm gonna spit sum truth on you faggots to be nihilistic is to not care about living within society norms cause they don't matter live for what you want to. the search for pussy can be a meaningful life pursuit

>>744302131
Holy shit, did you have a seizure on the keyboard and hit post?

>>744301633
it's just not nice to insult people , and It doesn't help either side of the argument. By dismissing the person with the other opinion as philosophically illiterate; you hinder your ability to listen to what he has to say and then you simultaneously make the person you are arguing with antagonize you, making him less susceptible to your ideas. You may as well stop arguing because you squandered your ability to both change your way of thinking and his way thinking

>>744301918

You're ignoring the point.

I know that one of the most infuriating things in the world is hypocrisy, and for probably all of your life every time a person has been called a hypocrite, they are also wrong. But they aren't synonyms.

Accepting this as being technically correct wont change anything 99.99% of the time. It isn't like stupid people will accept this subtle point and turn it into a weapon - too subtle for stupid people.

>>744301661

So every nihilist that ascribes meaning to actions or objects isn't really a nihilist? Because that sounds like a No True Scotsman.

Regardless, removing yourself from the tribalism of humanity means that YOU don't have social value. The only way we as a society maintain objective purpose and forward momentum is to accept that the things we place value in do, in fact, have value.

So then buying clothes, watching television, even shitposting on /b/, should be considered valueless by nihilists, but that doesn't stop them, and you, from doing it.

It's inherently hypocritical, and the hypocracy of nihilists, namely their participation in a society that requires acknowledgment of value, it's a blustering cannon of stupidity.

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>>744302204
Yup cuz I'm jerking off at the same time

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absurdism is better than nihilism

>>744302352
I am not the one you were talking to. I was just asking him to elaborate.

>>744301822
4chan pass user since 2012 newfig

>>744302436

Fuckin' tru dat, fam.

>>744299010
Respect Ethan for marrying and taking care of a retard or stroke survive.

>>744302430
I'm not sure whether that image is cringy or ironic.

>>744302502

Camus smokes happily with you this night, content in a world without meaning

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>>744302436
Oh big man here

>>744302394

Well, in this case it is. Nihilism is very cut and dry. There are a whole HOST of different beliefs that have subtle differences in what has meaning, and how you can know. Like check this one out, you might like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

It states that meaning may or may not exist, but that finding it is humanly impossible, and therefore the human tendency to seek it is absurd.

Contrast that to nihilism, where we're basically like, "fuck that. There's nothing to even look for."

>>744302394
Active nihilist tends to find new values. My only value is to be selfish. The only reason I go to uni is to get money and feel good. The only reason I'll go talk to a girl is to have a chance to fuck her and feel good and the only reason I talk to ppl is just to stay mentally healthy cause I know how my brain works, and that I have to maintain human relationships to be sane. And this post isn't directly addressed to you. The only reason I post it is to find out what people think about it and get satisfaction from discovering your opinion and discussing a subject that I have interest in.

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>>744302733
Oh shit your so true what have I done with my life nooooooo save me from myself I can't stop jerking off

>>744303015

I don't understand?

>>744302733

I dig absurdism, I even see the appeal of nihilism, but to suggest that there's "nothing to look for" with any consistency is flawed. Just like saying that there IS something to look for. Value is given by society, and as such, society is given value by the things it ascribes value to. It's a necessity to live within these means if one values existence beyond JUST existing. This kind of absolutism is one of the things that really frustrates me about it.

>>744303054
Keyboard seizure guy

>>744303102
Kek

>>744302928

That isn't healthy, at least not in any socially acceptable way. Humans are social creatures, you acknowledge that, so you're acknowledging the value and meaning of social interaction. This, in and of itself is hypocritical at best and regressively self-serving at worst.

>>744301162
Nothigness
you BELIEVE that everything is meaningless

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This is now a Camus thread

Bow before your smoking French overlord

Or don't you only have one life

>>744303328
Isn't nihilism about rejecting socially acceptable values?

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The fact that any of you would care enough to post anything serious on here is a joke and the joke is on 4chan

>>744303492
Oh shit we got another jeyboard seizure guy!

>>744303088

It is possible to describe things which do not exist. Conversely nonexistence is prescribable, although not fully imaginable.

Nihilism isn't provable. But most philosophical positions aren't. They're just assertions or guesses.

It's true that if any assertion that nihilism makes happens to be true, that that statement of truth has some objective realism to it. But that's merely a coincidence. It's a prescription of non-existence. It being true doesn't... somehow connect it to objective realness. It just happens to be right.

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>>744303556
OMFG WE HAVE$ A NOTHER CKEYBOASRDD SESAURT GUY

>>744303414

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that nihilists still have to exist and behave accordingly within the bounds of society. Thinking that nothing matters just removes the impetus to behave as a productive member of society, which I am decidedly against.

IMO, the only true goal is the betterment of the species, and that requires everyone to exist and acknowledge the value of society to move forward.

>>744299729
it depends on how nihilist you are. There is nothing to enjoy when nothing has any meaning. The path of nihilism ends in depression. I have walked that walk and here I'm, waiting for death

>>744303654
Yah i toldd yiu wr hda naither onr!!?!??!

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>>744303852
Stop samefagging

>>744302436
Well i don't really care what people believe in. I myself don't know if i even fit any classification. I can't be certain that there isn't some grand meaning behind our universe, but does my role really play into the bigger picture? More than likely not.

And i do believe that life is what you make of it. It can have a meaning or a certain goal, but only you can define what it is. Say, if you want to become the strongest man on the planet then you can aim towards that.

I find it a relief more than anything, that if i don't want to be someone or achieve anything then that's just as fine as well. Might as well live life as i please and when i die that's probably it. No past failures will come back to haunt me, and even if they did i wouldn't really care since i just did what i thought was right. Better live your life with no regrets since this might be the only thing we've got, no need to mope around and worry all the time like a jackass.

Absurdism is an existential philosophy popularised by Albert Camus, which means that one accepts the universe is a cold, unfeeling machine, and all our efforts to find meaning in it are in themselves meaningless because we can never truly find an answer outside of religion and abstract concepts.

When you are confronted with the absurd, you have three options - kill yourself out of despair as life has no meaning, find an abstract concept or religion to rationalise your existence or offer you life after death, or carry on happily knowing the world is absurd and nothing matters and we’re all on a level playing field.

Once you take the third option, you can live in the world knowing all that really matters is you keep yourself busy before you eventually die. You can do this by pursuing a modified version of the ‘existentialist development trio’ as defined by Soren Kirkegaard - the aesthetic, the ethical, and the religious.

First off, the religious is nullified by absurdism - religious pursuits in an unfeeling universe which only runs on science are irrelevant. You can be happy with your existence as a footnote in the universe’s existence, utilising what’s known as ‘positive nihilism’ to live a happy life because all you have is your life.

The ethical is everything you believe in that helps others - altruism, causes, activism that directly benefits others and the world. Making the lives of other beings and life forms happy. This is a way to leave a legacy after you die.

Then, the aesthetic - partying hard, enjoying yourself, pursuing art and design - all things that keep you occupied and happy, and maybe your works will also endure after you die.

So, to conclude - whilst nothing matters in an absurd universe, once we accept this, and accept our tasks are meaningless and we will eventually die, we can be happy in our lot, without asking ‘the universe’ for ‘signs’, but taking control of our existence and identities, and making our own happiness.

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>>744303884

It isn't supremely important that you find a perfect fit.

People can think/believe what they want. Nihilism can lead to apathy, indifference, and selfishness.
People stop caring. Back things are bound to happen. Crime, abuse, neglect. Only "caring" because they "have" to care. Then when the person gets into a situation where they need care, compassion, no one cares for them. Car accident, cancer, mental health, etc. What's the point of "declaring" that your nihilistic. Personally, I don't want to be around people who don't make the most of life. Work, live, enjoy. They spew depression.

>>744303620

So you agree that absolutism in regards to nihilism is hypocritical? Value begets value, and the more value is prescribed, the more subjectively valuable society becomes. Without value, nothing matters, and if nothing matters, then existence is meaningless. If existence is meaningless, why don't more nihilists just off themselves?

I'll give you a hint; Despite the ideological trap of nihilism, nihilists still ascribe value to themselves and their actions, which is inherently selfish. Ergo, it would seem to me that nihilism is just an inherently flawed and selfish ideology that gives people with lax morals the impetus to work against society for their own benefit, which is objectively bad for society as a whole, and as such, bad for the nihilist.

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>>744303750
lol i tk hm 2da bar

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>>744304031
Wer iz heee nie?,??;*

>>744304002

*Bad

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>>744298885
I've been diagnosed with depression and a degree of sociopathy because I've been studing the concepts of nihilism for years. True, for some people is just "a phase". But the concepts of nihilism are pretty much impossible to deny and actually is waaaay more easy to just keep going in life that actually embrace nothingness

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>>744304119

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>>744304128

>coming into a philosophical thread
>can't follow
>gets mad and posts spidey

tfw you're such a huge faggot.

>>744304002
Even though i don't necessarily believe that life has a meaning that doesn't mean i want myself and the people around me to die and be unhappy. Why would i? If this is the only thing we've got then i might as well maximize my time here. I scratch your back you scratch mine kind of thing you know.

More often than not i tend to help people just for the fuck of it if i have nothing better to do, because why not.

>>744304119

You're posting here. You posted a meme. You're acknowledging value both in this thread and in your response. Whether you consider yourself a nihilist or not, don't you see the hypocracy in that?

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Oh shit I spilled soy sauce on my phone what I miss

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clean your room

>>744299601
*looks at your post*

boy you're a faggot.

>>744303492
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>>744304128
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>>744304509
When you samefag too hard

>>744303620

Despite disagreeing with you, I want you to know I appreciate the good-faith arguments and courtesy.

>>744304611
>Doesn't know how to greentext so uses asterisks intead
Boy you're a newfag

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>>744299601
inb4 bait

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>>744304614
Haha haha I like you boy

>>744299601
>>744304714

>doesn't look at the post I was mocking, mistakenly calls me a newfag for mocking someone for literally the same thing you were mocking me for

you're a fucking retard. give up.

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>>744304466
you think being in /b/ means you find meaning in life and morals?. Are you some kind of newfag or something?. Depression and sociopathy doesn't mean you are constantly trying to kill yourself or raping people. There are degrees in humans life, you know?. I do know there is no reason for me to post this and no reason to keep alive, but making up your mind to jump out a window is not an as easy as you may think

>>744304714
that's not how you use green text you use it to quote other peoples posts

>>744304909
>doesnt see the sarcasm and irony in my post
>inception theme plays

>>744304949
>doesnt understand irony

>>744304924

So you're a pussy little bitch, then. Ok. Neat. Instead of falling into the spiral of a flawed ideology, how about you realise that your depression doesn't come from a lack of meaning, it comes from a lack of understanding about what value means in modern society.

>>744297522
HEY OP!!!!

Unless you're white THAT'S FUCKING DIGITAL WHITEFACE YOU BIGOT!

>>744304993

>hiding behind irony to feel less like a retard
>mlp theme starts playing

>>744304017

I agree that nilihism seems to be logically impossibe because if it is correct then it seems to create objective truth, which the philosophy denies the existence of. But that it can be right nonetheless.

But once again you're assuming that meaning is required for happiness or valuable societal engagement.(valuable to others, not fundamentally valuable to the nihilist)

Not everybody goes around philosophically justifying all of their actions. They don't need to. And it isn't something going on in the background and people just aren't aware of it. It's only a thing that philosophyfags(us) would even consider.

Most people do all of their actions purely because of base animal urges. Even social actions. We are a social animal. It is fully possible for a person to be a great contributing member of society without them ever justifying a single action according to any philosophical school of thought.

Doing all of that shit doesn't have to be related to their belief about the nature of objective reality.

>>744305070

Op here
Didn't expect to get the thread that active.
The nihilism seems attractive to me because it appears to me quet intuitive. The problem is that intuition does not prove anything, hence adapting nihilistic point of view is a personal choice based on... Well nothing concrete, as it is the case for religion. I guess the only thing I can do is to do my own research, weather to meditate or read some litterature, or discussing it with other people, witch was my intend here.
Guess I'll lurk a bit more and go to sleep (eu fag)

>>744305036
who are you quoting

>>744305111
>gets confused so starts accusing others of trying to hide stupidity
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>>744305266
>continues to misunderstand irony

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>>744305070
Thats right and you'll get more of that if you keep up

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>>744305322

I didn't realize I was arguing with someone that has severe autism, where I'm from we're taught to treat you folk with respect (though, obviously, keep you from positions within society that would be considered a public threat). Next time you type a response to someone, big guy, you should probably know the whole context before doing so, otherwise you might make a fool of yourself.

Ok, have fun there, big guy. Proud of you.

It hasn't played well, but my closing thoughts on philosophy are always that despite the impossibility of ever being able to fully justify any action or inaction according to any philosophical school of thought through pure reason, eventually you're gonna eat that ham sandwich and move on with your life.

>>744305629
Motherfucking top kek

>>744297522
i need a gif of him

if anyone did or has one pls post

>>744305062
what does value means in modern society? Don't bother insulting, is just not gonna work

>>744297522
nihilism is a sort of suicide.

>>744306003
Not even close.

>>744306003
Or a way of liberating yourself from an exestential chrysis

>>744297522
It's a tool, like any tool. You use tools properly, and they work well. Use a tool improperly and it fucks everything up.

How do you feel about screwdrivers? How about hammers? Do you feel any differently about saws?

>>744297607
Is there any other tool you don't believe in? Routers, perhaps? Do you disbelieve in solder irons?

Nihilism+Christianity makes for some really fun trolling.

>>744305114

I understand what you're getting at, for sure, but I guess this is where my issues lie;

1. Just the act of commenting and/or attempting a dialogue regarding the merit of nihilism is inherently antithetical to nihilism, as the expression of nihilisms "truth" is, at its core, expressing its value, regardless of whether it's ascribed to individual acceptance or group acceptance.

2. As per my previous point, observed nihilism is in direct contrast to society as a whole. I'm a firm believer that the only viable, or even the only valuable ideology, is the progression of humanity as a group. Generally speaking, when things get better for the group, things get better for the individual. The same can't be said for nihilism, and as such, directly contradicts the necessity and value of society, and if society isn't necessary, then it has no fundamental value, and if it has no value, then socialized communities and the things they give to the group, like roads, police, sewer, water, electricity, etc, are meaningless and worthless. I sit opposed to that.

Charity and altruism are not only necessary but required for society to survive.

>>744305981

Roads, hospitals, water, sewer, electricity, welfare, etc. These are all things that are of paramount importance to society that are directly antithetical to nihilism.

>>744305114
yep, but the problem about "go with your life" is that life is just suffering. Compare it with an adiction, in wich the person tells you "but when I take it it feels good". The good things is just a shitty bump that evolution put there so you wake up and go to work. It's a con job by life/evolution. You do it all for pussy and money. After all, you're just trying to shut up the pain. The pain of not having pussy or money or whatever you're looking for. Only when you get it you feel relaxed and free. Free of the fear that the condition that keeps you alive (warm, food, confort and reproduction) isn't gonna end soon. The best move is to stop submiting yourself to that condition, and take death, where you're absolute and unconditioned

>>744297522
I think it's the way of things, whether we like it or not.

>>744306116
nah. in theory you can only reach the freedom if you work for it. but nobody is really free tbh. we can't escape of our reality and we can't escape of ourselves
nihilism is a waste of time.

>>744301287
lamens terms nigger i dont smart like you

>>744306389
wtf?. Dude you're waaay to short of thought. Why do all those thing exist?. Don't awnser, just keep asking "why" to that awnser a few more times and then awnser

TBH, nihilism got a bad rap ever since Nazis referenced Nietzsche's works to justify themselves.

That's kinda like blaming Jesus for the way the Spanish justified killing off millions of native Americans. In all honesty, neither Nietzsche nor Jesus were alive at the time to tell them how wrong they were.

>>744297522
I think that I dont care so I'm probably falling under the nihilist category

>>744306815
Existence itself is probably the only truth nihilism admits.

Nihilism doesnt mean you have to act like a cunt all day it just means you know nothing matters. It doesnt mean you cant enjoy yourself

>>744306696

The beginner thinks that a punch is just a punch.
The proficient knows that a punch is a series of muscle twitches and reflexive actions.
The master knows that a punch is just a punch.

Social services exist because without them society would not survive, and social services exist because, without society, they would not survive.

You're blind to your own hypocrisy.

whats that "i dont fucking know and you dont fucking know cause theres no fucking way to know" religion called again?

>>744307068
Faggotry.

>>744307068

Agnosticism. Nihilism-lite.

>>744307064
and what's the problem with "nor surviving"?. Are you really this short?. I told you to ask "why" to your own awnser. I won't bother, you're just a kid

>>744306815
the human being is an imperfect being. that´s automatically make us better than god , because god is a perfect creature and it cant exist.

>>744307293

I feel bad for you. It must be so fucking difficult to not only be so stupid, but be totally unaware of how stupid you really are.

>>744307243
agnostic sounds right.
whats the nihilism-lite about though? wut

>>744306245

1. Well lemme put it this way: How many people have you met which proselytize nihilism?

I'm not trying to win you over to that belief system. Just showing you that it's possible. If you want meaning, if you want life to have purpose, then oh yeah, nihilism is not for you. If you don't, then nihilism might be your bag. Matter of fact, most nihilists that i've met didn't make a thing about it. The rare instances the conversation came up, it's just a belief they came to on their own and then they discovered the name. It wasn't really something they chose over another belief system, for them it was just the default they fell into as a matter of exclusion. And upon learning the name they often didn't really care that their beliefs had a name.

2. You keep seeming to think that to be a card carrying nihilist that you need to not be all that good stuff you want in society. You're like... defining nihilism as incompatible with that. It's not. Nihilism is ONLY about beliefs about the nature of reality. Nihilism doesn't say, "Existence is meaningless therefore you should take no action even if it means starving to death where you fall." It doesn't prescribe what behaviors people ought to do at all. And meaning is not required in order to cause people to do all that shit you describe.

Normal people are not philosophically driven machines, and without a philosophical justification for an action, they will just blue screen of death. Like, normally people are FUNCTIONAL nihilists and still manage to get all that good shit done anyway.

>>744307472

I was being facetious. Agnosticism is the idea that you can never know, nihilism is unintentionally participating in self-serving hypocrisy under the guise of a valueless existence.

>>744306568

I have a naturally super good mood. Life is not pain to me. Even pain is not very painful to me because i'm somewhat masochistic. I'm sorry that life sucks so badly for you.

>>744297522
for the majority of people, it is cowardice
for very few i guess it could be liberating, but i don't believe that is the case for anyone reading this.

>>744307705

*picks you up and preforms swan lake with you*

Yeah. I see the nihilistic, apathetic, "zombies".
Not smiling. Not frowning. Just blank. Stoic.
Oh, and on their "devices". Dare you say, "Hey, nice day." As that results in a confused stare, furrowed brows. A shake of the head, to suggest, "Why is this person even talking to me?"
"Is something with him?" "Does he want something?" "Something must be wrong if another human is taking to a stranger."

Fuck people.

I've just been ghosting for most of the time. Anyone else here since the start of the thread?

>>744307620
ok. so what if i told you i think we are all over-evolved bacteria on a floating pebble among an infinite space of floating pebbles and that there is no true value in that reality unless you personally find value in knowing there is no true value in that reality.
what am i then

>>744307933

Add wrong. Taking=talking. Dumb iPad.

>>744307933
i.. wish we could be irl butt buddies

>>744307933

Oops, sorry, i was thinking of blue danube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m735o_eEwgg

*takes you by the hands and swims around gracefully*

>>744308010

>what am i then

Evidence-based acknowledgment of the physical world shouldn't dictate your social ideology.

>>744307933

To add. Then people only care when "something bad" happens. Which, maybe that's not a bad thing. Brings people "together". I think many are not non-caring, bad people. I think many are just numb. It is better not to feel. Easier not to care.
Just the zeitgeist of the current society.

>>744308571

People are not physiologically setup to not care.

>>744308674

Heh. Well, "something changed".