Is /b/ against or for self-chekout machines in supermarkets ?

for,because i don't have to interact with people

>>744075136
For, because I'm an antisocial autist and hate interacting with people, even in the minimal way that's involved with paying for groceries.

>>744075136
depends. if there are no cute cashiers then im for it. if there is cutie to talk to then im against them.

>>744075241 >>744075291
Yeah but it replaces actual jobs

>>744075136
For and against.
When I've only got a few items, it's generally quicker than a normal checkout. If I've got a cart full of stuff, then going to a normal checkout is quicker.
That said, I feel that self checkouts should provide some kind of discount. I mean, you're doing some of the stores work for them....

Against because they are like black people and dont work.

>>744075136
i always use it. its good for me cuz i have social anxiety.

>>744075136
In general yes, but it only makes sense with self-scan. That's the real time saver. If the stores would stop dicking around and combine scan and payment from the mobile app, we'd finally have some jetsons shit going on.

Against.
1. The average person is slow and incompetent when checking themselves out.
2. The person or the machine will mess up, so then an employee has to come over and sort it out anyway.

In an ideal world, items that you picked up would just be automatically detected, and then you'd be charged when you walked out of the store. No checkout lanes at all.

>>744075620
No, they replace a service. I don't think anyone ever in the entire world had dreams of becoming a cashier. If I can do it with a machine, it's ok. The people who used to work as that can take the chance and do something better for their lives.

>>744075136
I like them they are easy to fool and steal from.
>>744075923
This guy is talking about amazons new grocery store

>>744075923
Actually in Switzerland you can take a scanning device that stores what you scan. You scan directly the article when you put them in your shopping cart. You just pay and give the scanner devide back ad the end.

https://subito.migros.ch/de/self-scanning.html

>>744075136
They are fine.

Most places are short staffed as it is.. cutting hours into impossible conditions to meet demand. Auto-cash registers allow for better hours, less horrible work, and more pay for existing jobs.

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>>744075936
>mfw I worked as a cashier in high school
That job let me buy a car and pay some of my college expenses.

If all of the jobs that unskilled teens can do get replaced, I'm not sure what they are supposed to do.

>>744075136
For it, they can help speed things along but I have noticed some folks are not smart enough to communicate with the robot race and so people cashiers will never be phased out

Against because they are statistically pretty inefficient.

>>744076346
they'll still need them for making shitty fast food

>>744075136
I love using them for small amounts of things, they are impractical for large amounts of goods because most shoppers are fucking retarded, wal-mart employee here

>>744076346
My first job was making carbide end mills. That's a high-precision manufacturing job. Requires about a year of training to be good.

I was making $14 an hour when I left, and the minimum was $9. I was 18, because you have to be, but still. Totally unskilled, but the company was willing to give me a shot because I put myself out there and proved I had the goods.

So glad I didn't get started with a shit job working for a soulless company who's making millions off the backs of poor people who could be contributing to their society.

>>744076218
Swissfag here (>>744075791), can confirm. All large Swiss grocery chains have introduced the system and it works rather flawlessly. There are some minor issues such as having an employee confirm your age upon checkout if you want to buy alcohol or tobacco, or the occasional unreadable barcode. But other than that, it's fucking epic. Average waiting time during rush hour with self-scan/self-checkout: 2-3 mins vs. 7-10 at a normal cashier.

Logically they are better than normal cashiers because most stores I go into always have slow as fuck check out. But I'd much rather have real people hold those jobs because we're promoting the replacement of low level jobs with kiosks and that will get bad real soon. Imagine not having a single person be a cashier at anything where a kiosk could be put in, movie theaters, museums, clothes stores, etc. It just takes away a lot of entry level jobs. They should simply train the right people for the job who can actually do work at a good pace.

Sometimes they don't work. And I have to do more work by scanning my own stuff and bagging it instead of someone else. So I'd prefer a human doing it.

>>744075620
But that's the future buddy.
Eventually robots will do everything and we wont need jobs or money, the fruits of the machine's labor will be shared around the people.

>>744075136
on th eone hand they are good cos progress but on the other hand they ar ebad because less employment

all in all I feel ambivalant and confused so I just stick to shoplifting instead

>>744075620
In the long run this will be a good thing. Automation may seem really attractive to the capitalists now, and it may seem really frightening to workers now, but when automation takes over is when communism will finally be possible, and inevitable.

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>>744075136
For, because sometime I steal half of the stuff. Where I live there are also self checkouts but rarely they search the costumers if they really scan all there shit.

>>744076670
Why would a shoplifter care about what's good or bad for society? If you're gonna be a criminal at least think like one.

>>744076739
Requesting more goblin fucktoys

>>744076739
there really isn't a way to watch 10 customers at once, but I personally don't even bother hassling a thief, its not like were allowed to beat some sense into them or anything

>>744075136
They have the potential to be good, but because the store will almost certainly NOT pass the savings on to you, it's just another way to offset the cost of operations to the customer.

>>744076830
Exactly. Got a buddy who works a register, and he always says if someone tries to rob him, unless they have a gun, he's gonna attack them with a mop. I've tried telling him that he's a retard and he should just pocket some of the cash for himself (no cameras), but ever since he got laid, his balls are like grapefruits.

>>744076834
Well when you consider the cost to purchase the machine and then the high cost of maintenance, it's only a little bit cheaper than employing a cashier

>>744076560

You must not understand supply and demand.

That can also be automated.

>>744075620
do u realize it takes a job to build that shit? prolly takes alot of time and is a job for someone else.

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Catunday?

>>744077110
cute cat

>>744077008
I almost got fired for unintentionally chasing a cig thief out of our supermarket, felt like a dog after a squirrel, i'm 6'6 and the dude was probably 5ft and i kept on his ass the entire time, I really didn't mean nor care too either, but fuck it's annoying to be restricted by bullshit policies, i'd rather we just beat thiefs and hooligans like they do in other countries

>>744077093
Is it that expensive to maintain? What the fuck could go wrong with it?

>>744076600
>train the right people to work at good pace
That's the thing: For many of these services, manual labor just isn't fast enough. Let's take movie tickets for example.If you're an oldfag, remember how it was to reserve movie tickets?
>Call Movie theater or ticket hotline
>Wait 2-5mins to get through (good luck on a Saturday night)
>explain which movie you want to see and - if available - explain which seats you want to reserve
>get told the seats you want are unavailable and re-negotiate for seats
>get to the theater 30-45 mins before the movie starts to pick up tickets
>wait in line to get tickets
>wait in line to get into cinema
>enjoy movie

Compared to today:
>pick cinema, movie and seats and pay with credit card from the comfort of your toilet
>show up at cinema and wave barcode at the guy at the entrance
>enjoy movie

>>744077096
>You must not understand supply and demand
Because there will always be work for people to do. Society went from Agriculture to manufacturing to a service economy and now we are switching to a more socialist/service economy. Look at how many people make money without a real job. Kickstarter, Patron, Etsy. People will always find something.

>>744077284
reciepts jam, cheeky plastic innards break, plenty of programming issues that get constant slow updates nightly, people spilling shit literally into the machine

>>744077239
Nah fuck that. Then if I work in a store with no cameras, and I don't like your face, I'll just kick your ass and stuff some merchandise in your pockets before I call the cops.

>>744076565
jesus christ you self righteous piece of shit. You do know that there are an extremely limited number of your precious trade jobs out there right? Fucking christ, do you think every teen old enough to work dreams of being a cashier or busser or other unskilled employee? No you stupid fucking nigger.

I hope you drink battery acid before you go to bed tonight and fucking die.

>>744077284
Scales. Printers. Bill readers. At my store half.the time there is one closed for maintenance.

>>744075136

Unexpected item in the bagging area, please remove this item to continue

>>744077452
once we had one break the itsy bitsy piece of plastic that lets the printer know the paper is in position and it was down for a week

>>744077431
Actually that's not true. Trade jobs are in the highest demand right now. Because no one wants to get off their ass and work. Especially in the South where it's hot. Mechanics HVAC technicians sheet metal/iron workers.

>>744075136
For, I don't like the cashier saying "how's your day" or try to talk to me like BITCH YOU JUST SCAN STUFF WHO CARES HOW MY DAY WENT SHUT THE FUCK AND SCAN MY FOOD SO I CAN SO HOME AND CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP

>>744077543
> puts it in cart and doesn't pay

>>744077093
Depends on the wage structure of your country. Manual labor is expensive in some countries. In Switzerland a cashier makes 40-50k a year. You can man a 10-15 self-checkout station with 2 employees. At that rate you're saving upwards of 500k a year in labor costs. Initial purchase of a self-checkout ATM clocks in at 10-15k. Add 3-5k in service fees per year on top of that. You can use the ATM probably 5 years without any major upgrade costs. Feel free to do the math

>>744076218
We had this in UK for years.

Self checkouts are an easy way to pay when you are just dashing in and out.

Personally I prefer the human cashier because they're usually faster at it than I am

>>744077636
stop making my day better you beautiful person.

>>744077431
Kek, keep making excuses for not trying at all. The turnover rate at that shop was so high, I saw over 30 people get hired in less than a year.

Not every teen dreams of it, and I never implied that. They just have no ability to identify their strengths, and so they work a shithole job while they figure it out or pay a university to do it for them.

I applied for a job I was under-qualified for, I got a lucky interview, and showed them I could do the job.

You went for a job a literal monkey could do. You went safe. Good for you. Now keep seething over the fact that I didn't. :)

>>744077583
>>744077452
>>744077413
Fair enough. Didn't think about all the input devices besides the scanner.

>>744075791
Walmart is starting to roll that out.

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>>744078006
>They just have no ability to identify their strengths

Can you just end your fucking life now? The world is better off without self entitled pieces of shit like you. Good god, you're fucking insufferable.

>>744077636
Kek, I love friendly bubbly cashiers. It's one of the few times someone is just nice to you for no reason. What pisses me off is the people who act like you're bothering them.

>>744076346
>If all of the jobs that unskilled teens can do get replaced, I'm not sure what they are supposed to do.
unskilled people dont "deserve" a job. If you literally have no skills, how would you earn a company profit? everyone with a job has some sort of skill

>>744075923
Amazon has a grocery store that already does that in Seattle

>>744078237
Another non-argument. Like I said, keep seething, faggot. I'll keep working better jobs than you.

>>744075620
you fuck the system over by putting different similar pricetags over the stuff you bought.

>>744075705
I agree. We are cutting out jobs for these things. So they have to up the cost yet no discounts when you don't use humans.

I'm against them. I believe in robots and automation but what will future workers do? Not everyone can work an office job. No shit not even joking. We will be like wall-e movie all of use 500lbs. Fast food will remove humans from taking orders, have robots cooking, so one person to work on them and make sure all is ok is what I see in 10 years from now.

Farmers will have their equipment do everything for them.

Women will not allow sexbots as it will make them useless then.

Cars should finally be driving themselves and teleporting should become the next big thing they work on.

VR will take us over and we will live most of our free life in it.

Skynet will become real and we will all be killed off.

>>744077608
Oh please, anon. These people would run the opposite direction if they couldn't do their job standing still in an air-conditioned room.

"I have to bring the carts in again? But that means I'll be in the sun for 30 minutes... WAAAAH"

>>744076346
I can tell you what unskilled teen girls can do for money.

>>744075136
Those were so much fun as a kid

>>744078799
Sounds pretty awesome anon
You won't have a job, but it sounds like you also wont need money since everything is provided by robots.

GG uneducated worker

>>744078799
>women will not allow sexbots

This might actually be true. I can totally see a world in which feminazis get a law passed that says creating a sex robot that could pass as human counts as rape.

At that point, I'll just start raping feminists.

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>>744078888
Tell, us Quads-chan.

For. Im faster than most checkout tards and all my produce goes under cheap celery code 4071.

>>744076218
The Stop & Shop in my town had this and every week in the police log you'd see a report where someone scanned $100 of stuff but actually had $300 of food in their bags. I think they dropped the idea.

I used it and liked it.

>>744079191
kek

They have two people watching the checkouts at my store. Like employees who do nothing but watch people use the auto checkout. They could be running a register. Instead, they're literally standing around watching people do that job for them.

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>>744078636
>Another non-argument.

Oh god. Stop. please. Look buddy, I'm imploring you, please, PLEASE, take your fucking life already. If you have a family, you might as well take theirs first, since I'm sure you tainted them with your fucking ubiquitously toxic arrogance. That, or you've broken them into perpetual misery anyways and they need to be put down. Either way, please become a family annihilator and then take your own life.

>>744075136
Shit sorry OP, forgot the purpose of this thread; they're okay. Not really for or against. I'll use them if it conveniences me.

>>744076613
you must be retarded

One supermarket chain in my area had them then got rid of them a few months later because people were ripping them off and keying in wrong item codes.

>>744079471
"ubiquitously toxic"

Right, I'm the arrogant one. Maybe Google a word before you misuse it to sound more intelligent than you really are. Keep projecting, and seething, bitch.

>>744076830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4VR2z2n5Ec

>>744075136
Against. Theyre super slow and if you have more than two bags youll need a clerk to come anyways

>>744075136
against because I don't get a discount for doing it myself. Why would I do the work a checker is to do for free, making the man free money, stupid self serve cucks

>>744075136
Damn, those are swiss checkout machines

>>744075936
Youre wrong. I work in sales. No one in their right mind wants to work in sales but like every other American, I need money to live. Taking away a "service" is still taking away an opprotunity for a person new to the work place to make a living.

>>744075458
Are you for real?
I've had to abandon a whole cart of groceries before because there were only qt cashiers and I didn't want to spill my spaghetti.

Self-checkout is a godsend for the freaks like me and this guy >>744075291

>>744080689
Kek damn.

>>744075620
Kek at the brainlets that literally think this.

>>744079659
Grammar anon here, "ubiquitously toxic" was used correctly. Maybe unconventionally, but correctly.

>>744075136
definitely for

>>744076346
restock the shop of course

love it, i dont want to make stupid fucking small talk with someone. i can do it faster my self. leave me alone.

>>744075136
so fucking against
muh fucking
>error, please wait for attendant
every fucking time
has literally never worked correctly for me
not even once

>>744082508
this guy gets it

>>744081494
Kek. No... no, it wasn't.

ubiquitous
adjective
1.
existing or being everywhere, especially at the same time; omnipresent:

Perhaps you're both thinking of the word "universally". "Universally toxic" would make perfect sense, unlike you pseudo-intellectuals.

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>>744076613
>fruits of the machine's labor will be shared

Bubuttt the goverment said that when the machines took over all the low end jobs that there'd be free money for all. Shut up pa, I told you its like obamacare its all a sham.

Shit nigger, I remember when they said by the year 2000 people would all have jet cars. Yeah, right.

>>744082333

Store Stockers will soon be obsolete:

Witron system aims to fully automate shelf replenishment

May 26, 2009 | by James Bickers

If there is anything more frustrating to a customer than an empty shelf, perhaps it is tripping over the employee who is cutting open case boxes of products and trying to fill that shelf. Both headaches would become distant memories if the German logistics company Witron is successful with its new SRS, or Shelf Replenishment System.

The company's roots are deep in supply chain and inventory management — it counts supermarket giants like Kroger and Supervalu among its clients, for whom it develops and deploys automated warehouse picking solutions. Now, it is working to automate the "last mile" of the supply chain process: getting products from the back room onto the shelf.

"A lot of grocery stores are open 24 hours, so when do you really get to replenish the shelves?" asked Brian Sherman, business development manager for Witron. "Sometimes there are stock-outs during the day and you need to get people to replenish, and now you're in the way of the shoppers. We say, let machines do the replenishing, and do it from the backside."

>>744075136
I hate them.
I'm not paying the grocery store to do their work.

>>744075620
lets destroy or cars and bikes because it stole blacksmiths job , no one rides horses

>>744075241
is it that hard for you to interact with people?

>>744078888
or boys kappapride

>>744075136
A competent cashier is 10x faster and more efficient than a self checkout lane, and also provides fast bagging services.

If there's a problem with the unit, it's much faster for a person to be at the terminal to fix it than to wait for someone to notice that your self checkout lane is misbehaving.

Self-checkout lanes will not actually lower prices or wait times, because people will deliberately fail to scan items, resulting in increased theft and product shortages at about the same rate as the typical hourly wage of a cashier.

For so i dont get laughed at for being a grown man buying pokemon cards.

>>744084579
It's just totally preferable not to have to.

>>744075136

Usually I'm against them for several reasons:

It's an excuse to not hire actual checkout employees. I don't care about the loss of jobs, but it slows things down if you don't have real employees to solve problems and answer questions.

If I buy alcohol, I have to wait for 5 minutes before the one available employee comes over and checks my ID.

They're super slow.

Add some confused old people in the mix, and everything is fucked.

>>744075136
I was very nicely directed to a self pay in machine at a bank the other day. you should have seen the tellers face turn from smiley to enlightened when I said she's giving her own job away.

>>744084869
>competent cashier is 10x faster

Yeah, try to find one. Or you get the jerkoff customer that wants to tell the checker their life story. Like in a perfect world it would work that way. But it doesn't.

I'm totally for them!! I'll buy bulk food items such as espresso covered chocolate beans, which are $2.99/100gm (Canadafag here) and ring in the plu for basic table salt at $.16/100gm.

The way I see it if I have to do a cashier's job when I am shopping I am entitled to an employee discount.

>>744075136
I think you should have to be certified in how to use it like a drivers license. I'm sick of getting stuck behind retards that don't know how to put in produce or similar bullshit

>>744085254
She wasn't enlightened you idiot. You think you're the first one to tell her these things? She has to direct you there if she wants a paycheck, for now, and not just to you. To every single shithead who
came to her for that service and she directed there.

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"Self-checkout machines"?
oh you mean the "Pay Whatever you Want Machines"

>>744085814

Thats only saying they don't have enough terminals. I go to a walmart that has like 14 of them, and you go through a single line, there is a person that directs you to your terminal, its quicker than the "competent" cashier.

>>744085341
>Or you get the jerkoff customer that wants to tell the checker their life story.
This shit fills me with violent urges.

>>744075241
Same here

>>744077342

The stores see the advantage of this, like Von's Safeway, Amazon, etc.. You place your order, pay at home, why hassle even going to the store?

Same with the bank. I bank at Chase and they have automated tellers that can do 95% of banking without any human intervention (the ones with the big screen on them).

>>744077413

I've never encountered this. I use automated machines at the bank (more features than an ATM) and supermarkets, stores and I have never encountered the things that you've mentioned.

>>744077430

He's talking about store policy. A lot of stores have a "once they've reached the parking lot" policy, you're not allowed to pursue them. I worked a christmas at a retailer and a shoplifter came in and grabbed an armload of Levi's, being new, I went after the guy and made it to the train tracks behind the store, the loss prevention guy finally catches up, dude, you can't go after them like that.

He wanted me to go into loss prevention full time, but I had a better full time job at the time.

>>744077990

Well, because you are a doofus that shouldn't be using automation anyways. I'll bet you're on a mac, right?

>>744075136
For! I only scan ever second item...

>>744078243

Shit, I usually get the bitter, pms one. Or the one that critiques what I buy.

>>744075136
Pros:
1.) Objectively faster than human checkers.
2.) Less people interaction (a plus at Walmart)

Cons:
1.) Can't purchase restricted items (i.e. knives, booze, security tagged items, etc.)
2.) Wastes a fuckload of time if machine screws up.

Pros outweigh cons for most purchases.

>>744078845
Demand means there are not enough people working in the field. Hence employers are demanding more workers. So the people who do work in the field are guaranteed to get a job.

The other anon was claiming that there are not enough blue collar jobs, which is simply untrue.

>>744078799
>robots cooking

Shit, I just went to a Jack-In-The-Box and ordered a grilled sourdough breakfast sandwich, its supposed to be "grilled" crispy, instead you could tell that it was microwaved and soggy, probably made several hours earlier in bulk. A machine wouldn't be lazy like Juan who was making small talk to the fat cashier, who didn't even ring up my order til I got to the window. So I am all for the automation.

>>744075136
Against

think of all the low-borns that work a register?

They'll be muscled out of their jobs by the robot revolution, then what?

What skill set would they have to find other work? Can they afford to go to trade school and find a different job? They live on minimum wage!

They'll go to the streets and harass those who have sustaining jobs. Crime will go up, revolution in the streets. Society will crumble.

>>744078799

And another thing, no discrimination either. You couldn't argue that they shorted you on items or treated you wrong because of your color. Although I could see someone program the machine, thank you nigger, don't you usually just shoplift..

>>744084869
WRONG. In experimental trials at Walmart, the automated checker is many times faster, even with a line for the automated checker.

Checkout times with a human checker is 1 hour on average, with only 1 or 2 people in line.

Checkout time with a automated checker is 30 min or less regardless of line length.

At BJ's, there is never a line for the automated checker, and I am done and out within 1-2 minutes.

Automated checkers are a godsend for in-and-out short shopping trips. The only time a human checker is needed is when they have extra steps in the process that require human approval/intervention.

>>744080076

How you even know how to get on the web is amazing.

>>744075136
I don't have any problem with them, but they don't bag for you. the least they could do is have someone bag groceries for you. and the frequent "please stand by, help is on the waY" is pretty annoying.

But overall it is not a bad technology. Its just that they cut corners TOO MUCH in that they don't even bag your groceries, which slows down the line. they could dedicate 1 employee for 3 registers to bag and that would be great.

but now they are making the setups even more snug so that the groceries don't even go down a conveyor, you have to actually bag them yourself as well. which is fine for a few items but not useful for if you have a cart.

>>744085057
I agree. especially when they are ringing up your toilet paper along with the food that will soon be on that said toilet paper.

>>744080282

Shit, I don't know where you live, but out west, they only hire hispanics, as they have a hispanic manager and "we might have a customer that speaks spanish" so how do young people get hired for menial labor anyways?

>>744075620

how fucking dumb are people in this world. scanning items and counting change IS NOT A JOB. the faster we move past this fucking "hurrr gotta have my mindless jobs that can be automated and forgotten about" the faster we can figure out better ways to utilize human capital. no one scanning items in walmart for 20 years ever advanced anything in the world

>>744085251
yeah "please stand by, help is on the way" fucking pisses me off. Just standing there with a flashing light for 5 minutes huffing and puffing and looking around. its so awkward and frustrating.

>>744082878

found the tard

>>744088888
woah quints

>>744077008
>but ever since he got laid, his balls are like grapefruits.

what a fucking loser. he'll have a kid he can't afford to go with his shitty job soon

>>744088608

gotta agree

>>744077890

A cashier makes ~$52K USD in Switzerland? The fuck? What does someone with a real job make? Sounds like I need to move.

>>744078799

Uh, everyone can work white color jobs because EDUCATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE FREE BY NOW. No one wants to work these shitty fucking jobs. People work these jobs because they can't do anything else and they have to pay bills. It's one thing if someone is literally mentally retarded, but everyone can be educated and/or trained to do a skilled job that would be more useful to society than mopping shit off of floors or scanning grocery bar codes. We are not going to progress as a human race without making sure everyone can receive an advanced education and contribute to the advancement of science and technology. It is more clear every day that we are going to have to leave this planet at some point due to lack of natural resources and other environmental concerns.

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>>744088947
>the faster we can figure out better ways to utilize human capital
fucking hell so much this.

imagine we have like 1 billion truly bored people on earth.
the price for getting them to work on your project is gonna be so low, its gonna be literally only "offer them something interesting to do".

every time mother nature knocks something over we send a gigantic army of boredom over and rebuild the same things in exactly the same place because thats the stubborn kind of people we are and mother nature can go fuck herself.
every natural disaster we just deal with by not giving a fuck and putting in manpower beyond measure to repair stuff in no time.

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>>744089264
I'm about to drop out of college and become a cashier.

senior citizens avoid them
lazy, stupid people avoid them

this means the self-checkout machines usually have no line-up, while the regular cashiers have 4+ people waiting to pay

even if there's a few people waiting to use the self-checkout machines, i'm safe in the knowledge that i won't get stuck behind some dumbass who spends five minutes looking for their points card, or bitching about the prices, or fumbling around wasting everyone's time

self-checkout machines are for from perfect, but overall they massively expedite the process of paying for my shit, which is good

also, the ones i use at SaveOn recognise my most commonly bought items (organic bananas, broccoli crowns, mandarins, etc) so when i scan my points card chances are the stuff i'm buying that day is already displayed for me on-screen so i don't have to look for it on the computer, which is neat

>>744075936
A cashier also does it with a machine...

>>744078799
>but what will future workers do? Not everyone can work an office job
Gee, idk, something useful and meaningful?

>>744089438
I understand your perspective, but there is nothing wrong with doing a job that is necessary, no matter how menial.

But if there are more efficient and better ways of getting a job, then there is no reason for the job. that's all.

it has nothing to do with advancing civilization or some other broad sweeping thing.

pretty much every job is menial. that's why it is a job. it is just somehting to do to keep society going. whether it be a manager of a supermarket or a cashier in the checkout line. its a job that needs a human. and when a human is not necessary, then it is because something else is in its place.

but it isn't anything to do with advancing as a civilization. in fact in many ways it may be the opposite. in the end we are simply human carrying out necessary tasks and then in our free time we are using that to better ourselves spiritually. whether it is 1957 or 2027, it makes no difference. all is a part of the whole. there is no right or wrong way for it to manifest.

if people scan groceries for a living, it is because there is a reason for it. whether it be logical or emotional doesn't matter as all so long as people see some kind of reason for it to be that way.

>>744075136
Both. for because A) i can get produce at a discount by not properly weighing it B)its quicker if i only have a few things and makes me not feel like an asshole for holding up a line while Quintisha has trouble working the register.
against because 1) theyre not always operational (at least at the markets around here) and thats usually when they only have like 1 or 2 cashiers working so it takes 3 days and 4 miles of line to checkout II) its a pain in my ass when they double scan things and i have to wait for some asshole that doesnt want to be there to come and check all my stuff to make sure im not stealing before they void it.

>>744083611
>implying just because ameridumbs cant do it right, it cant be done right
>dismissing that actual systems of government regulated health care systems are already installed and working in europe since 1930

>>744089811
>not always operational

Thats usually at the market's discretion

>double scan things

On the automated scanners, you can delete items without intervention

>>744089790
>there is nothing wrong with doing a job that is necessary, no matter how menial.

This is some bullshit protestant work ethic revival speech people keep giving in the US ref. coal miners, etc. If a job can be automated or displaced or otherwise got rid of it should be. There's no inherent value to work "no matter how menial." Education and training are just as worthwhile as any type of work and yet we don't look at it the same way. Better to make someone scan bar codes for 20 years than to pay for them to learn something that's actually useful (i.e., something that can't be easily automated) because of some made up belief system about how letting someone input the ID for bananas into a cash register for their entire life is doing gods work.

>it has nothing to do with advancing civilization or some other broad sweeping thing

this kind of thinking is going to ruin us. maybe not 100 years from now or 200 years but eventually the fact that we as humans all on the same earth can't think more than 4 or 8 or 12 years ahead of anything is just disgraceful

>>744089913

Where in europoor are they giving away money? Oh right, to the muslim majority, kek


>working in europe since 1930

Its not working here, most of those insurers are pulling out, leaving little choice. They could make it work, but it doesn't with the private/public interface. When the insurance companies are in for a profit, then thats where the exorbitant costs come in.

>>744090125
cant always delete things on your own, for example, wal mart makes someone come over and check you to see what the problem is

>>744075136
it's a scam.
they're semi nice, but super markets are just pushing them and don't really run any lanes to cut down on hiring people

I can't believe there are this many loser fags
who shit bricks at the thought of interacting with a live cashier.
I mean, I had my social problems when I was young too
but at least I could buy a candybar in a grocery store.

>>744075136
I like them when they work right.
>"help is required for this item. please continuing scanning other items, help is on the way"
That shit drives me nuts. It's always for something stupid like laundry detergent or juice too. I don't mind dealing with cashiers if I have to, I just prefer not to. Having to wait for granny to figure out how to use the chip reader for the 90th time is most annoying part about regular checkouts though.

>>744077110

No. Cuntday.

>>744083996
>>>744082333
Robots that
>are deep in
...
>and do it from the backside."
I'm suddenly in favor of these robotic systems!

>>744090349
>Where in europoor are they giving away money
e.g. kids, students and unemployed people are can live on 100% federal money.
if the money you get from the state automatically plus what your parents give you is insufficient, all you have to do is fill out a form.
setting up a federally insured bank account is free with almost all banks, you then put your bank account in the form then you get monthly payments.

>the muslim majority
EU has about 3% muslims (roughly 2pp are citizens of a member state)

>When the insurance companies are in for a profit, then thats where the exorbitant costs come in.
IF insurance companies compete against each other for profit, capitalist principles should in theory work it out and keep the cost overhead roughly constant.
i think "for profit" isnt the problem - monopoly (or otherwise "no consumer choice") is the real issue.

>>744091336
fuckin' a, man. I know the chip things suck but they've been out long enough. The other day I got stuck behind someone using a check. I felt like I was going to lose my mind.

>>744075136
RELATED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

we are fucked. Transportation jobs are the number one employment sector in the united states, and driverless cars are going to replace all of them. Not just Taxis... every situation where there's a human behind the wheel will be replaced.

And the machines will be better at it too. And thus it goes.

Everyone should watch this video, it makes an amazing point.

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>>744075241
same

>>744075620

And the spinning jenny replaced five spinsters with spinning wheels... But it ultimately helped to reduce costs and therefore the price of fine textiles for the masses. To resist improvement in technology for the sake of preserving jobs which would become obsolete is to artificially depress the standard of living for everyone. And remember this.. If it were'nt for government price controls set above the market rate for unskilled labor (aka: minimum wage laws) it wouldn't make sense for businesses to invest in labor reducing technologies. Minimum wage laws are simple. They make it illegal ti work for anyone who's labor isn't worth the artificially high price.

>>744078249

So those people should just starve and die?

>>744075136
the entire checkout system is a hopeless disaster and self-checkout machines don't help much.

how about a handheld scanner that you scan as you put shit in your cart, then as you're walking toward the exit, you swipe your card in the handheld, it shows the number of items and the total weight of those items, and on your way out, you stop briefly on a scale that weighs your cart and items, subtracts the cart weight, and compares it to what your scanner says, and if it matches, it turns green, you throw your scanner into a bucket and walk the fuck out? if the weight doesn't match, you're redirected to a side area where your shit gets checked, the #1 priority being to keep the scale clear so that there is a smooth flow of people leaving?

>>744091718
WOWWWWW

>>744075136
If I'm not getting a discount for using one, I'm not using one.

I won't pay the same price to do some of their work myself unless I have like one item and there are over 9,000 people at the registers.

>>744087175

And my grandmother smokes 1000000 a day and is 193 proving cancer isn't real.

>>744091798
There's a difference between mechanical muscles vs mechanical minds. Mechanical minds will replace many human minds. And thus it will go.

>744091718
>744091718

>>744075241
100% agree. So fucking sick of cashiers who need to try and make conversation. It's always awkward and frankly I can a far quicker job with self scan

So much quicker. Plus I can pack a bag better

Well for. Don't mind regular checkout but depends. Had some guy sneeze in his hands and said he needed to use some hand sanitizer nearby they have. Still wasn't satisfied touching my food afterwards

>>744091977
Trying to push that agenda huh shill. Yeah also make it so you have to sign in with your amazon account to get groceries, so then when they see you say something they dont like, they can ban you from getting food.

>>744088078

This. Why have one or the other? Why not a sensible balance of the two?

>>744092182
>So fucking sick of cashiers who need to try and make conversation.

"So how's your day going?"
>shut the fuck up you stupid menial ! ! !
>it's none of your business
>just let me buy my hot pockets in peace
>thank god I didn't get the TP, I'll just use Taco Bell napkins for another week
>RRREEEEEE!!!
>"Um...okay I guess"
>look at feet