/b/ what is the best argument to not be a vegan

>>743992646
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Salad is murder

Because ice cream is tasty

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Proof that people would rather starve than have to eat vegan food even during a disaster.

>>743992646

Asking why you shouldn't be a vegan is like asking why you shouldn't believe the Earth is flat.

There is simply no evidence to believe either is correct.

>>743992646
I like ice cream
what that have to do with cows ?? Ice cream come from Walmart

>>743992646
>he
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>>743993461
LOL

>>743992646
Without meat there never would've been white people

>>743992646
how do you define vegan?
Even if you do not eat animal products, animals have to die for your food.

Harvesters kill plenty animals, so do chemicals on the fields, ...

Is this acceptable for a vegan?

>>743993491
this

>>743993777
trips have point

>>743992646
Because meat is meat and it kicks ass id rather chop off my left ball than not eat meat again

>>743993491
Who so you think builds the Walmarts? Cows dumbass

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>>743992646

>>743992646
Meat tastes good.
Animals have no moral standing.
We eat things that aren't perfectly healthy all the time.
We do things that are bad for the environment all the time.

>>743993720
this

It sucks and it's too expensive
Also I doubt how good it is for your health

>>743992646
I train for a marathon.
I eat NOTHING BUT meat every day of the week.
eat my shorts

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>>743993777
>>743993491
What wacko vegans claim is that cows are raped and given abortions in order to produce milk....(God I feel stupid typing that) and this picture is supposed to show that

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>>743993867

>>743993936
is this now anti vegan or anti meat?

>>743993720
The consensus is that "vegan" is now synonymous with "plant-based diet".

>>743993998
gorilla eat meat
I dare you to google it

>>743993998
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/

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>>743994079
All I got was interracial gay porn. Now you done made me a faggot

>>743993998
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/

>>743994074
what is the point in a vegan diet?
Is it only for the vegan himself/herself or is it for "a higher reason", such as saving animals from harm. If it is the latter, then it is a "imperfect" consensus

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>>743992646
It is a change, like many of recent, in the human way of life that is unsustainable in the wild, which a return to is inevitable.
To promote veganism to the masses is to greatly decrease the chances of humans surviving outside of our comfy, unnatural, and temporary habitat.

>>743994286
thats too high for b

>>743992646
We have eyes in the front of heads for a reason. Predator. Not prey.

>>743993864
i do not understand you Tyron ??? Can you speak English

>>743993864
I've never seen a cow construction worker. Do cows just magically raise a new store from nothing?

>>743993461
>>743993508

Bullshit. It's just too expensive for most rednecks.

>>743992646
Meat is tasty.

>>743994444
you wasted quads ...congrats

>>743994364
We do not have wings, yet we fly.

>>743992646
life feeds on life

>>743992646
Because you're an animal, and animals kill and eat each other all the fucking time.
Not going to feel guilty about the fact that my species is so fucking good at it that we literally have it it on farm mode.

>>743994508
We speak appear in a box yet we aren't there, Great argument dude.

>>743994625
>We speak appear in a box yet we aren't there, Great argument dude.
wat

>>743994286
People claim it's healthier and that anything not plant based is very bad for you. Then there's the not killing animals dimension. And their strongest argument in my opinion is that raising animals is bad for the environment which is objectively true. All the same I would never buy vegan meat or vegan cheese and the like because that shit is too expensive, can't justify the cost to myself. I'm trying to be vegan right now, but just by eating shitloads of vegetables.

>>743994647
fuck you .... can not even

>>743994508
If you use society and technological advancement to shed a requirement of surviving in nature, you will be one of the first to die when we return to it.

>>743994798
>you will be one of the first to die when we return to it.
Why would we return to it?

Well, since a long time ago, when primates were the earth prime shit, there were vegan primates and meat fucking lover primates, then meat fucking lover primates had a higher ammount of protein on their diet, and they discovered to break some good ol bones to eat the osseum medulla, their brain became significatly bigger from time to time and ended up being the split on the evolutionary scale that ended up on us

Why the fuck should I care about cows? Bleeding heart faggots crying over some filthy animal too stupid not to sleep in its own shit. What for? I love the taste of meat. That's the only argument I'll ever need to justify eating meat. Get it? I eat meat because I want to eat meat. Give me the gun, I'll put the cow down myself. If I had the equipment and training I'd butcher it myself too. I'll watch the butcher carve a steak from a cow whose calf is watching in distress and immediately put the steak on my fucking grill. I'll eat the fucking thing, too. Right there in front of the calf. I'll look that little bitch in the eyes and eat the god damn steak. Fucking crying over cows...fuck.

>>743994737
tv,pc,phone etc. cmon dude.

>>743994982
Disaster

>>743995067
I know what a phone is, but what does this have to do with veganism?

>>743994982
It's inevitable
Our way of living is unsustainable, and it will only become more so. Be it war, famine, plague, we will return to a state without walls and without order.
When that time comes, you revert, or die.
Vegans can only be vegans because of the lifestyle they were lucky enough to be born into.
If that goes away, they do too, one way or another.

>>743994401
Only Indian cows

>>743995067
Not the other dude but this didn't explain shit moron

>>743993461
That's because they're Texans, they were raised to go yee yee and eat the backyardigans

>>743995083
civilisation has been around for thousands of years, but sure, you will be the one to witness the apocalypse (just to survive the downfall of civilisation so that you can die of veganism)

>>743993050
Hooray, My wish gets to come true!

>>743995186
fuckin look at the other replies that follow the one you're replying to idiot, does your mom wipe your ass too?

I kept my New Years resolution and became vegan. 1st month was rough until I got accustomed to the lack of nutrition.
Starting feeling major symptoms (kept gaining weight, trouble sleeping, painful bowels, dark urine, frequent nausea) in July, and went to doctor.
I was borderline diabetic, cholesterol badly imbalanced, blood pressure dangerously high. My previous years checkups were good... I told the doc what I was doing different.
He said, "If you want to healthy and live past the end of this year STOP BEING VEGAN."
So I've been back eating eggs, dairy, meat, and other healthy foods, and have rapidly been recovering.

>>743995273
Fuck you dick

>>743992646
My arguement is that I'm able to ignore all empathic emotions. Propably that's why I'm a 100% man of science

>>743995290
I hope I do see it...just so you die

>>743995223
>It's inevitable
That's literally what the bible said thousands of years ago (as well as many other sources in history). Yet, human civilisations have survived literally everything

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>>743995465
So far

>>743995290
I'm not implying we will be the one to see disaster.
However, many vegans are actively trying to turn others into vegans. If every vegan was successful at making ten more vegans, then it wouldn't take long for the majority of major civilization to be vegan soon, and should they be unlucky enough to live through the downfall, that's it for them, and the majority of humanity.
Those who did not become vegans have a better chance.
I'm just trying to do my part now.

>>743994779
>can not even

Get the fuck out.

>>743995354
Just joshing, kinda, I'm not a dick because that's exactly the shit some rednecks wear on t-shirts and obviously meat is a big part of Texas culture, but I am a dick for stereotype jokes

>>743992646
>What is a Venus flytrap
Even plants eat meat.

>>743994647
thats raw vegan

>>743995464
It is funny, I am not vegan, far from it.
I do not want society to become vegan.
I simply do not think that we have to keep eating meat for the unlikely case that against all odds mankind will go down

>>743995465
Are you one of those people who go out and champion for a 'good cause' because you think that the second a law goes into action in your favor, you've permanently improved humanity forever?
Because there's a good chance that in the far far future, our 'triumphs' and 'tribulations wont mean a damn thing.'

>>743992646
My diet and lifestyle are better for me and the environment. Or do you think suitable cropland exists everywhere? Done properly, meat consumption increases the carrying capacity of an area.

>>743994364
> being able to see in 3d means we hunt
Or, you know, it's extremely handy, when climbing in an area with a high tree/plant density.

>>743992646
there are none to be perfectly honest

became vegan 6 months ago (am 30)
best decision i've ever made

i wish i'd discovered it when i was 20

i am physically and mentally a lot healthier than ever before

i have more energy, more focus, more drive
i wake up in the morning and am immediately ready to get going. it doesn't take me an hour of sluggish "coming round" like it does for carnists

the animal welfare aspect had nothing to do with my decision to become vegan, and even when i was consuming animal products i never ate processed shitty food with loads of added preservatives and all that bullshit.

still, veganism is the way forward

those who can't do it can either continue eating meat or die off, idgaf

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>>743993993
The only thing this picture shows is a T H I C C butt.

>>743994752
>vegan meat
Elaborate? Is it supposedly more environmentally friendly or what?

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Its a matter of dominance. We shouldn't pity a dumb animal. We choose to breed cows because they are fucking easy to hunt. Dumb, big, and travels in groups. If the cows had worth other than being a slab of meat, than fine. That's why we keep and breed dogs, they have use for us as humans.
If cows could fight back and attack humans, they wouldnt be bred and kept for their meat. Why do you think we dont breed tigers and lions for their meat? Because they can fucking kill us when fully grown. Cows can't. The only purpose they serve in the food chain is to eat and shit and be eaten. Do you really want these disgusting creatures to live? They shit where they eat, they smell god awful, they can hardly even defend themselves, and they are INCREDIBLY stupid for an herbivore.

Give me one good reason why we should let these poor excuses for evolution live other than "all life is precious!!" because that is easily the dumbest argument. These creatures hardly realize they are ALIVE let alone realize how precious they are to a minority of people who need their feelings reassured every day. Being vegan is fucking pointless and its horrible for your body. Quit being a cuck and eat a steak, its fucking delicious

>>743995630
why would you care what happens after the apocalypse that takes place in the distant future?

>>743992646
Because I'm rooting for him to become veal. Maybe I can wash it down with a milkshake.

>>743992646
Because meat is delicious, their sadness is the marinade and the living conditions the tenderizer, just beautiful.

>>743995884
I was talking about the pic in the post I quoted...op's pic

>>743995878
I'm pretty good in acting like a sympathic normal guy.

>>743995759
>unlikely
Do you understand the concept of equilibrium?
Nature constantly seeks to correct deviations from a balanced course.
Life itself is just such a deviation.
That is why the concept of 'survival of the fittest' is so prevalent. If you are not able to keep your head above the water, you drown, because nature is actively trying to kill you.
Humanity is currently escaping natures grasp.
But it isn't permanent, and when the walls do fall, we will all be as helpless as baby chicks without a mother, because we've been cradled in our own escapist society.

>>743995223
But most peasants ate mostly plants and meat was reserved for the wealthy. Shouldn't they all have died out?
> inb4 well, do you know any peasants today?

>>743995796
I do not know what the second law is.
I do know, however, that I am an meat-eating fatass that interacts with other people as little as possibe and does not care what other people do.

So. I am going out on a limb and say "no"

>>743994444
Checked. This is a truth

>>743994504

Quads are never wasted.

>>743995956
It's "meat" made from plant protein. Every vegan analogue is made from plant protein, starches and coloring/flavoring.

>>743994444
Waste of quads you king of faggots

>>743995847
do you think veganism and vegetarianism is a big difference?

>>743996037
So did I ;)

>>743995976
Well, because one of my major functions as a human being is to increase the chances of survival for my race.
I know that you obviously don't give a shit, but that doesn't mean I can't.

>>743995962
because all life is precious

All negative connotations aside, raising animals is worse for the environment than growing plants.

>>743995847
That's great, glad it worked for you. I tried vegan when I was in college. I've never been more consistently ill my entire life. I was boxing, fencing, and weight lifting at the time. The diet made me miserable until I switched back. I only did it to fuck a vegan chick, wasn't worth it. And you act like you're not judgemental, but we both know you're lying. Your undeserved sense of superiority came out when you used the term "carnist". Only vegans who think their farts don't stink use that term.

>>743996175
Ohh, yeah, that's utter bullshit. I'd rather eat the lab grown meat.

>>743995962
I'm all for meat, and I don't give two shits about the next generations, but the environmental impact tho

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So many brainwashed corpse eaters here.

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>>743992646
>I'm a vegan
>It makes me feel good about myself and I get to shit on others because of my purview on morality.
>I have a diet that not only has high heart disease(because no diet really negates heart disease in adults past a certain age), but is equally susceptible to the same traps as eating meat.
>Environmentally unfriendly producing processes
>I also cherry pick documents to tailor my arguments. Never mind the WHO article I constantly refer to says meat causes higher risk in people already at risk for cancer, and causes complications in people with poor diets, or doesn't suggest any amount to be incorrect like the hundreds of other examples of harmful foods.
>I only listen to CNN and now it's tolerable because I don't have any testosterone left in my body to find any blaring discrepancies like when they set up fake stages for actors.

>>743996498
Do what I do. Hunt, fish, and grow your own food. Beauty of that is that most of my groceries are effectively free now.

>>743993050
I'm ok with this...

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>>743996312
but what will trigger the end of society?
As another anon has pointed out, meat consumption is bad for the environment. Maybe the apocalypse comes because we cannot stop being meat eaters in time. So you are actually the one destroying our race

>>743992646
Vegans going to go around and stop all the Lions, Vegans Going to Blow a Clown and fuck all the Myans
Vegans Blowing in town Eating Fresh chalk'n Dyan.
Vegans Meat the beat of a ryan.
Harrys Meats are fryin

Vegans eat fake food

FAKE FOOD

It's FAKE FOODS

>>743995962
Wow you are one clueless dumb fuck this this vid proves that animals are not mindless automatons like the meat industry like you to believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK-4-5eYRwc

cavemen didn't have vitamin supplements

>>743996763
Oh man, I would love to fuck all the Mayans

>>743992646
Animals are delicious

>>743992646

why don't you tell that to muslims ? they're killing dozens of thousands of sheeps right now you fucking degenerate. we don't care !

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>>743994444
Waste of quads. You think people in the oil industry are poor? The state is filled with oil industry, engineers, scientists, construction. Bro, they've got plenty of fucking money there.

The state that gives the most back to the US is poor? Only illegals are poor there, because they go work on farms in California during the summer

Livestock are domestic animals, they wouldn't survive in the wild anyways. Unless you plan on making billions of food animals into pets (which is way worse) I don't know what to tell you.

>>743996591
I posted these.
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>>743995828
Which one was an appeal to emotion?

>>743993461
Truth.

Texan here in Houston.

Went to the store for a loaf of bread....
No white bread but plenty of wheat

>>743995962

Imagine getting abducted by aliens and they start eating your ribs for those same reasons

>>743996645
But you masturbate to animals this is cruelty, Vegans will hunt you for hunting animals even
if your hunting is a valid reason and sustains your life without harming the eco-system
Vegans are knocking at your door like a dinosaur everyone get on the floor fuck a vegan
docile whore feed her meat all on that floor nail that bitch to your front door.

>>743993720
>be farmer
>accidently kill a handful of mice once a year at harvest
>or kill hundreds of cows daily

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>>743995522
Not OP, but your argument was shit to begin with.

Fucking birds? We developed brains by eating meat to out think problems like "Why can birds fly, but we can't?".

He's highlighting how fucking nonsensical your GIANT fucking leaps of conclusions are

>>743992646
Because there are studies that shows that you need more land to feed a certain number of people if they are all vegan than if they are Omni or vegetarian.
https://www.elementascience.org/articles/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/

Others reasons are subjectively biased.

Can vegans eat bugs? Are bugs considered meat?

>>743997072
You wot?

>>743995878
how stupid, I could easily just get up and walk over to the child. dumb advertisement.

>>743994286
>saving animals from harm
if you don't eat this steak, I'm pretty sure someone else will...
do vegans really think they 'save an animal' everytime they decide not to eat meat?
It will still get killed, and made into food, if you eat it or not...

>>743997176
Most vegans I've met won't eat honey so I'm guessing they wouldn't

>>743997063
It's not like I'd be able to convince them otherwise and for all I know, humans may really be a stupid animal by comparison.

>>743992646
Two best reasons that I can think of are:
1. We need the animal products, we don't just eat meat we use the collagen for medicine and we use animal meat and blood for microbiology.
2. Fertilizer, animals produce a lot of shit and that shit is great fertilizer. You might say that we can use inorganic fertilizer, but that can reduce the fertility of the soil, so we must use organic fertilizer. Before you say to use plant based fertilizer, we would need a lot of plant material and we might need to use chemicals to get rid of diseases.

>>743997109
>Be farmer
>Don't slaughter the cows this year
>They continue to shit literal tonnes every day
>Drink ludicrous amounts of water
>Eat tonnes of feed
>Meanwhile I have no money because I didn't slaughter the cows
>Me and my cows all die

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>>743992646
what is the best non cuck hippie argument to be a vegan?

>>743997122
That is a really weak argument, though.

If we can figure out how to fly, thanks to our superiority, then we can surely figure out how to be vegan.

>>743997253
And the other thing they miss is that literally all livestock would die without human intervention. These aren't majestic wild creatures, these are manmade creatures created to be food.

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>>743996768
>n e malls R NUT MNDLISS!
>Animals like cows eat things like rocks and other animals because they can't conceive of what is good for them

Sure pal. I don't even fucking consider autistic people as "people" but you want me to believe an animal that can't out think a bush being blown by the breeze isn't a predator is on the same echelon as humans?

Maybe you, but I'd suggest suck starting a .32 to make it fair game.

>>743997375
Raising livestock is polluting and water resouce intensive.

>>743997122
False, we developed brains by starting to cook our food so we could consume more nutrients in a shorter time.

>>743992646
Your health? The NHS in the UK and the AMA (i think American medical Association) have both issued advice stating that raising children vegan will negatively affect their phsyical and mental development. Every study done on diet shows that the healthiest diets include moderate amounts of non-processed meat. We have been meat eaters for millions of years, trying to ignore that is ridiculous.

life is life. just because a carrot doesnt scream when you cut it's somehow a morally superior food choice?

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>>743997422
What an autistic thing to say.

>Meat got us to that point to begin with
>Defeat the purpose of evolution in order to devolve into weak, soft minded faggots.

We know your argument is weak. That's the point

>>743997341
There are problems associated with too much animal shit though and we don't need that many animals if it's only for medical research.

>>743997308
i don't get this.
why don't they eat honey?
it's not like they just press out the bees to get the honey... the bees happily provide it, without getting harmed or killed?!

>>743997253
There are two flaws in your reasining.

First, just because everyone else is doing something, you do not have to do it. If I think something is wrong, I would not do it, even if everyone else is doing it.
Imagine you are on a remote island where there is plenty of food, more than enough for everyone. But the islanders are cannibals, not out of necessity, but because they like the taste of human flesh. Would you eat human flesh, after all, they have already kill that person. Whether you eat human flesh or not does not make a difference, they will continue killing and eating people.

Second, less animals are butchered since there are vegans. Obviously there are still butcheries, but the overall number of butchered animals would be higher without vegans

>>743997558
>our food
>meat
>farming wasn't around until much further down the evolutionary food chain.

Thanks for proving my point though, through trying to be a shekel mcjewstein

>>743997481
I'm convinced no vegan has ever raised cattle. Cows are retarded. For proof, Google what cow magnets are for. >>743997508
And a vegan population reduces the carrying capacity of a given land area. I'll concede that we should eat less meat, and probably switch, at least partially, to grasshoppers. But it would be ecologically retarded for the planet to go vegan.

>>743997481
Quick question:
If you we're to domesticate an animal and breed it to a certain goal. Would you breed out their dominance/perception/disturbing behavior/aggression, in order to make them docile?
I think it's fair to say, that those animals are in fact retarded.

>>743997508
kinda hippie argument but with sense so I'll respond
water goes through penis and sweat back to the atmosphere and we have rain. Plants requires fertilizers too and all the remains goes to water.
It does not evaporate to cosmos. Just don't be a nigger and filtrate all the pollution to be eco,

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>>743997508
raising crops is polluting the water resource intensive.

crops become resistant to chemical pesticides, forcing them to use more and more powerful versions. more drains off into aquifers, rivers and irrigation. on top of that, deforestation in third world countries to meet the surplus needs to keep stores stocked with highly perishable foods, slavery involved for harvesting, tax evasion by corporations.

>Oh shit, crops are just as bad for the environment as livestock, if not worse!

>>743992646
Because the only valuable source for iron can only be found in the heme group in red meats

>>743997671
19 century medicine brought us to the point we are now, yet, we abondoned it for something better.
There a literally millions of vegans that do not devolve into lesser beings.

But why am I discussing evolution on the internet, you clearly do not even grasp the basic concept of evolution (or anything else for that matter)

>>743997341
You need more plants to produce animal fertilizer
by feeding the animals rather than using plants for fertilizer directly.

>>743997707
I didn't say to use too much manure, I said that it is better for the soil.
Not only medical research, animal blood and meat are used in diagnosing diseases.
I agree that we have too much animals, but what most vegans suggest is equally destructive.

>>743997799
Eating insects is a good idea for the environment.
>And a vegan population reduces the carrying capacity of a given land area.
How? Manure washes into bodies of water causing eutrophication (as does synthetic fertilizer). It takes more land to raise animals. You have to feed animals lots of grain (because of the energy conversion). We could just eat the grain we feed them right?

>>743997799
grasshoppers are still animals, or not ?

>>743997308
I wonder if they have a problem with swatting a fly or stepping on an ant too.

>>743997795
you should go to a doctor
Did you receive a severe blow to the head lately?

>>743997776
Citation needed.

>>743992646
Lack of b12 in most plant based diets is really the only leg to stand on. All protein comes from plants, starts with plants. Animals eat plants to get protein. Spirulina is the highest known source of protein, a Spanish moss with 50g per 24oz, more than double that of red meat.

>>743998233
There is a religious group in India that sweeps the ground they walk on so not to accidentally step on anything

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>>743992646
>/b/ what is the best argument to not be a vegan

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>>743997837
Quick question

What's the difference between wild bovine and domesticated?

>None
or
>None

If you guessed "A lot", you are WRONG! Faggot.

There is no real difference between wild or domesticated other than temper (and physiological changes).

But you could also argue temper issues are a sign of cognitive inability. So in that essence, we didn't "dumb them down" we "made them slightly smarter than they were before, which is to say drowning because sometimes cattle look up at the sky when it rains and drown themselves."

>>743998413
That seems... tedious

>>743998346
citation for what?
That there are actually people that do not eat meat?
Veganism is not simply theoretical idea. There are actually people out there not eating meat, even if it may hard to believe for you

There be but one animal that can pave a highway, perform advanced surgery, speak a language, build civilizations.
F
U
C
K
Right off
Snowflakes

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>>743997253
Supply and demand, you must be retarded if you think that the 20-30 million vegans in the US that ate meat and now don't have 0 impact.

>>743998264
Yeah, from your mother.

I still owe that whore for a blowie but I can't find the right wal-mart I picked her up from.

>>743998086
But crops aren't just as bad. Using a variety of pest reduction strategies can prevent pests from getting too resistant. Livestock need antibiotics. And livestock raising causes more deforestation.

>>743994647
Yea master! May i have some more?

>>743998187
Plants can carry diseases like any organic matter, also manure often has some urine in it so it has Nitrogen. And I agree that we don't need to grow that much crops for animals, most of animals should eat grass, hay and other similar plants. We should only give starch to animals when there is no grass or if the animal has health issues.

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>>743992646
There are more important things to be worried about at this moment in time. I worry more about animals coming in my country than animals dying in my country

>>743998629
now that is edgy

>>743998599
>Must be this retarded if you think for a second they stop slaughtering cattle to make up for the <5% difference they make

whewhewhewhw lad. Talk about severe autism

>>743998599
>20-30 million vegans
You're over estimating

To wit :

If you have more numbers than homos then where the fuck is your flag?

>>743998599
>actually thinks 20-30 million people in the US are vegan

I'm a nihilist so this shit doesn't really bother me.

Also I'm able to keep from knee jerk reactions and realize this is a product of capitalism, not simply eating meat. So before you get upset at consumers, look at society as a whole and how we treat production and waste.

>>743992646

because you are hungry

>>743998813
Delicious

>>743994647

Shit Bull

>>743998208
One, it takes more land to raise animals than crops, yes. But a vegan diet takes more land than one that features some kind of meat. It is also less sustainable. This article isn't great, but it does list good sources. https://qz.com/749443/being-vegan-isnt-as-environmentally-friendly-as-you-think/
If you think about it you'll understand why. One, getting equivalent protein from plants takes a bigger portion of plants. You also require larger portions to get the same caloric intake. More plants=more land usage=lower carrying capacity. I'll grant that the boss hog diet will kill and is worse for the planet than being vegan, but that isn't what I'm advocating for. What I suggest is a diet that features some meals with no meat, and some with. And wherever possible for people to grow their own veggies and hunt/fish their meat.
>>743998209
Aso a vegan, I'm just saying they're more eco-friendly.

>>743998863
In case you haven't realised, the US is a capitalist country.
Animals do not get slaughtered for religious reasons. They kill them to sell them. When fewer people buy meat, fewer animals get slaughtered, how hard is that to get?

>>743998651
>crop production requires 3-6x larger fields to supply due to shipping loss via highly perishable items from third world nations
>cattle farming is usually done in areas where wells for water, lands are flat, closer to rural or cities to sell more quickly
>parasites have become near immune to all non harsh varieties of pesticides
>Reason why GMO are on the raise.

>>743994444
more like, too expensive for the newly homeless

>>743999114
>they're more eco-paranoid.

FTFY

>>743998558
No, that isn't hard for me to believe, no need to get touchy guy. You need a citation to prove that the amount of people who are vegan are having a significant impact on the overall number of animals butchered, as you put it.
>>743998599
Kek

>>743998486
> what's the difference between this animal we domesticated for several millennia and this animal we domesticated for several millennia and put a cage around?
I'm guessing it's the cage?

> there is no difference other than temper
That's what being docile means.

Sauce on the cattle story?

>>743999173
Are you fucking retarded?

keep livestock around to age. They slaughter it because it takes up fucking room. How fucking hard is that?

Go down to your local grocery store. Count the meat in the isle, now multiply that by 53. Now multiple that by 4. That's how much meat they get every month.


ALL

THAT

MEAT

WONT

BE

BOUGHT

it will just be thrown away. Into the dumpster or large container to be shipped off to be turned into dog food.

>>743999114
This may be true but even your idea requires a radical shift away from meat compared to where we're at. Don't get me wrong I love meat and I've eaten meat my whole life but in the interest of reducing my ecological footprint I'm trying to eat only plants.

>>743999415
>No, that isn't hard for me to believe, no need to get touchy guy. You need a citation to prove that the amount of people who are vegan are having a significant impact on the overall number of animals butchered, as you put it.
I do not even know why you would question that, sorry, I cannot better explain it. Maybe if you would think about that for more then 4 seconds, you would get it.

>>743999506
yes and the next week, the grocery store will buy less meat. Then the butcher will sell less and buy less animals. Then the farmer will sell less animals and reduce the number of livestock.
How thick are you?

>>743999268
Livestock need feed so you have to grow crops for them to. Also, I'm not your typical vegan, I fucking love GMOs. They actually might save the world imo.

>>743996246

yeah

>>743996378

>And you act like you're not judgemental, but we both know you're lying

when did i claim that

>>>743999999

>>743993461
That's not actual vegan food. Those are vegan substitutions for meat based food, and it's stupidly expensive

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>>743999844
My good friend is a vegan. But why don't vegans like you understand that no one cares if you want to be vegan. Also since we don't need citations, what about the 30 to 50 million people in the U.S. who are eating 50% more meat yearly after being sick of hearing about veganism?

>>743997357
You're completely missing the point. I don't care whether or not you're deliberately doing so

>>744000406
Why do vegans want to substitute good meat with shitty adulterated soy paste?

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>>743994540
I've seen my neighbors cows eat mice and rats in his pasture

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>>743999114
>getting equivalent protein from plants takes a bigger portion of plants.
A meat based diet contains way more protein than a normal human being needs.

>>743999937
"those who can't do it can either continue eating meat or die off, idgaf"
You claim not to care if people keep eating meat, but we both know you look down on them. Like I said, nobody uses the word carnist as anything other than a pejorative.

>>744000877
>implying people that eat meat ONLY eat meat

>>743999902
Finally someone who isn't anti-GMO just because "it's unnatural".

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>>744000877
Not arguing for a meat based diet. Reread doofus. The best diet for the planet and man features some meat but mostly fruit , vegetables, and grains. Thats what I'm arguing for.

>>744000587
That's the point. They don't

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>>743992646

this.

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>>744000725
Mooooooooo!

>>743992646
Lol @ vegans.
>muh animal cruelty
>posted with my iPhone
iPhone that comes from child labor, in absolutely inhuman conditions. Beaten to death sometimes, starving to death, barely eating one bowl of rice a day, and of course, no wage. Sleep is something unknown to them. No problem with that. Nope. Because I am a free thinker, right?

Vegans / Leftists are hypocrites. That's all

>>743992646
>/b/ what is the best argument to not be a vegan

Many animals are delicious.

>>744001048
Are you... retarded? You're clearly just putting words in my mouth now

>>744001444
>implying reducing cruel actions is hypocritical unless you completely eliminate it
I don't even think killing animals is cruel.

>>743992646
>Describes the veal process
>"Because you wanted an ice cream cone"

If this is an actual vegan argument, it has got to be one of the most uneducated...

>>744001191
I don't care what you're arguing for, doofus. The highlighted part of your argument is based on ignorance.

>>743997229
Failed attempt at the Walk The Dinosaur meme. Years ago people used to routinely post long, but interesting stories that were too long to be displayed on the main pages. The last line would be something like
>run out of my room and almost trip over my little brother's toys, open the door
and when you opened the thread the next lines would be
>get on the floor
>everybody walk the dinosaur

Used to happen a lot with the Fresh Prince Of Bel Aire theme song, too.

>>744001444
All of the people belonging to the same vague group definition as you are retarded. That's all.

>>744001613
Given that you didn't know what my argument was, and clearly still don't, ignorance isn't the word you should be using. But go ahead and refute. I'll wait.

>>744001608
>he's never had a veal ice cream cone

>>744001732
Oh, I see. I get it now. I don't get a bit long winded.

>>744001018

it's not that i don't care about meat consumption; i do. people should phase it out of their lives
my point is that those who can't handle it for whatever reason can die off and idgaf about them. those sorts of people have no self-discipline and are worthless

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>>744001742
>resorting to name calling because you know the has a valid point
Vegans always are so self righteous, but can't accept when they're wrong.
>>744001444
Nice trips.

>>743992646

I raffed at veal, I guess I ruse

guys cow milk is bad for you, do the right thing and get your nutritions from your mother breast milk.

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Does eating pussy count? https://youtu.be/tBJgNqA-w5I

>>744001946
When your bullshit hippie diet stops killing kids and hamstringing certain athletes I'll buy it. But until that day you don't get to claim it is based in discipline. Any healthy diet requires discipline. Being fat is easy. Being healthy takes work. I'd bet my testicles there are meat eaters that make you look like an undisciplined child.

>>743992646
If all meat consumption stopped there would be HUGE overpopulation of animals

Cows are one of the largest producers of greenhouse gases, never mind all the other shit/waste animals produce

There would have to be a mass slaughter of countless animals to restore the balance

>>744001444
Trips of truth.

>>743995346
Meh, just cutting out red meat is enough really. Eggs and or fish are the foundation of a healthy society

>>744002138
If she's a pig or cow, then yes.

>>744002007
Ah, ok, so it's only considered name calling if it's done by a person you disagree with. I see. All I did was turn his/your argument around. I even copied his/your fucking wording.

>>744002182

why the hostility, bro
i haven't said anything to deliberately upset you

is everything a contest to you
maybe what you consider to be my judgmental-ism is really just your inferiority complex talking

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>>743992646
humans are omnivores and meat is good but in modern society we should start appreciating vegetables more because they provide good source of protein and then we don't need to waste resources on retards pieces of shit who do nothing.

>>744001444
winrar

>>744001829
My fucking God.... I'm not arguing for or against your point. I'm arguing that your argument is invalid. Which it is. I know perfectly well what you're arguing, and I somewhat even agree with you. It's just that the arguments that you're basing your points on are weak. You're clearly missing my point entirely, so yes. Ignorance is in fact the word I should be using.

>>743992646
The fact that animals do not matter.

Once I am dead, I will not exist to see the repercussions of my actions. I do not care about something that'll happen 100 years from now because I will be dead then. For all I know, the universe will collapse with me. For all I know, I am god.

Animals literally aren't important to me.

>>744002586
Fucking this. Every meat eater always play the "judgmental" card, when arguing with a non-meat eater.

>>743992646

If he can't get up, he'll be made into hamburger. Cow assholes, lips, stomach, tendons are all made into burger, nothing goes to waste.

>>744003042
>damn meat eaters are so judgemental every time I judge them for every single thing they consume!

>>744002555
>turn his argument around
Where?
>either of us namecalled
Where? Hypocrite? I think he made a point that what he described is hypocritical. And I agree. That's not name calling. Saying he's retarded without making a point is name calling. But what do I know.

>>744003128
I don't judge people based on what they eat. Contrary to the loud militant vegans, I don't care what people do with their lives, as long as it doesn't harm other - and take a deep breath before you tilt over from the shock of the next word not being "beings" - people.

>>743997776
Holy fucking shit you are in desperate need of an education.

The flaws in the previous posters "reasoning" are non-existent. The argument presented was that vegans who think they're "saving animals" by not eating meat are idiots, not eating meat doesn't save any animals.

>just because everyone is is doing something
>implying
This has fuck-all to do with the previous posters statement.

>they are cannibals, would you eat human flesh
When people on the internet refer to a strawman fallacy, they mean shit like this, you've created a scenario to misrepresent the statements of others, the fact is that the meat industry will not even slow down if one person turns to a vegan diet, they will continue to raise and butcher livestock on a global scale and the meat that goes uneaten just gets discarded as waste. No lives saved.

>Second, less animals are butchered
no, no there are almost 1.5 billion more people than there were 15 years ago, even if the ratio of vegans were a very generous 1% (it's not by the way) that would still be 1.35billion more mouths eating meat.

The amount of cattle raised, the continued impact to the environment and resulting methane produced goes on at an incremental rate.

VEGANS ACHIEVE NOTHING.

>>744003186
Just because you're too dim to get the point, doesn't mean it isn't there.

>>743992646
I get ice cream, someone else gets veal, farmers, truckers, builders, grocery stores, restaurants, dairies, etc. and their employees make money. Yeah, that sounds horrible compared to one calf dying. How do you feel about abortion?

>>744003400
>I don't judge people based on what they eat
>those damn meat eaters

>>744003540
>Describing the type of person who makes the argument
>Being judgmental
Those aren't the same, Bubba.

>>744003493
What kind of phone do you have? Have any jewelry? Buy things that are made cheaply in China? I got your point, but it doesn't mean he isn't right bud.

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>>743994504
>>743996223
>>743996876
>giving a fuck about repeating numbers

>>743992646
>nobody will listen to my opinion but I'll post it anyway.
A lot of vegans worry for the "feelings" of the animals. What they don't realize (because they don't want to listen to anybody else's fucking opinion) is that plants feel things, too. They react to things that happen to them. On the other hand, fish have no feelings, they feel no pain, and they have no emotion. Eat fish you ignorant faggots.

>>744003782
>Implying there's only one reason to be vegan

>>743992646
simple, if you are going to be vegan because of morals, you need to avoid all leather products, and you are not allowed to have any pets.

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>>744003846

Veganism is an extreme overreaction to set of problems that are real problems. It doesn't do anything to solve those problems that moderation and selectiveness wouldn't do. That logic, is basically that if consuming too much meat is bad for people, animals, and the environment, then consuming any meat is bad. What this fails to consider is that consuming too much of anything is bad, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't consume anything at all.

Our ancestors ate meat and we have evolved to eat some meat. So if it is humane there is no argument against it

>>744003846
>veganfags are tumblrfags
med me doo a thonk

>>743992646
there are no good arguments against being a vegan.

if only you are vegan, you're going to be healthier, have higher endurance, longer life expectancy, etc.

if many are vegan, it lowers the sales of the meat industry, which means less animals will be bred for slaughter, which means fewer suffer. additionally it lowers carbon emissions.

if most people are vegan, slaughter animals would most likely stop being produced, so very few animals will suffer the fate of Auschwitz 2.0. carbon emissions would drop more than if we all stopped using cars. instead of using 10 tons of plant based food per 1 ton meat, we'd have so much food that prices would drop by a lot, letting more people afford healthy food. which means lower health problems and lower medical costs. and a lot of the rainforest could regrow instead of being chopped down to grow pastures. which means more c02 tied up in plant material instead of in the atmosphere.

the counter argument to all of this pretty much boils down to "b-but i don't want to."

>>744002138
it cunts

>>743992646
"Because meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty god damn good"
-Denis Leary

>>744003865
You dun did it now.
>inb4 the swathes of morons who think fish feel pain/discomfort.

>>744004078
There are several reasons I'm sure, but that isn't one of them. Which was my point friend.

>>744004334
Industries that benefit from animal slaughter by-products will suffer.

>>744004334
People have been eating meat for hundreds of thousands of years longer than there has been industrial logging.

>>744004245
You're wasting your time buddy.
Those who insist and attempt to exhort others to veganism aren't capable of understanding that their reaction towards omnivorous diets are quite literally a textbook case of the slippery slope fallacy. (as you put it, because we eat too much meat and that is bad, eating any meat is bad)

Simple logic escapes these people.

Vegan meat. I mean, you can say all the bullcrap you want about veganism, but still vegans are willing to taste meat for the pleasure of eating it. Thats why there is vegan meat. True vegans also do not exist, because Vegans try to eat only vegetables, yet they need supplements that are basically all the nutrients that come from the meat they are not eating.

TLDR: Veganisms is just a movement for people who just want to feel morally superior to others

>>744004334
Yeah, me and most everyone else don't want to, so we won't. That's how democracy works. There's plenty of shit we should do but don't want to.

>>744004334
>allow me to present to you these "facts" that I have no supporting evidence for.

Sup Vegangains, how's the youtube monetization crash treating you?

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>>743993993
Dude I would fuck that thing and eat it after I was done and that would still be less gay than going vegan.

>>744004334
Literally we became homo sapiens and our brain evolved because of the roasted meat our ancestors ate millions of years ago.

>>743992646
meat tastes good

>>744004334
post evidence

>>744004524
If that was your point, then you conveyed it with extreme incompetence, because you basically called lumped all vegans into a group with all leftist and proceeded to same them hypocrites. So your words could be bolied down to:
- All vegans are leftists
- All leftistsare hypocrites
- The vegan portion of said hypocrites are vegans because of alleged animal cruelty
Unless you're not the one who replied to OP, in which case you had no point to begin with...

>>744005047
>>744004334
Trying to get all people to stop eating meat would be just giving up millions of year of evolution in which humans barely survived

>>744004853
Name three nutrients that are exclusive to meat

Having more empathy with an animal than with your own species is not natural, its against the self preservation instinct.
Vegans basicaly are mentaly il.

>>743992646
Indifference.

OP here, this blew up slightly more than I anticipated. Disclaimer: I'm not vegan, I have a friend that is heavily into that sort of scene and was interested in /b/'s thoughts

>>743992646
Because I don't want to kill my dog and cats by making them vegan.

>>743992646
Because it is an arbitrary decision.
All health arguments are questionable.
People wouldn't call salt healthy while it's absolutely vital for your body to function.

Now the arguments related to the meat industry are arguments about issues in the meat industry. That doesn't automatically make it an argument for veganism.
Killing off an entire industry because of issues is has is insane. We don't stop construction because it's a risky job where people might die.

And "muh animal feefees". Apparently if you're not sentient or able to feel pain/fear/distress you're not worthy of pity and deserve to be eaten, unless you're an animal in which case you're a privileged class of organisms.
Why not respect the sanctity of all life and only eat synthesized food?

>>744006361
This is a good reason.
>>744006001
You made a thread asking for reasons against vegans. You should have known OP.

okay cunts
This is my...11th day without any meat. I'm not going vegan or vegetarian I just have economic reasons - have to survive on buckwheat, wheat mashes, pasta, vegetables and eggs.

I constantly feel hungry. I feel full after eating but still feel...malnourished.

I can't wait to get my paycheck and buy myself some fucking meat and cook a steak.

>>744006638
To be perfectly honest, I didnt think it would be that controversial given the shit /b/ usually goes on about

>>744006487
cows are sentient so are dogs and most animals.
you mean sapient. only humans qualify for that though their is talk about including some of the apes, dolphins, and certain squids. but honestly dont see it happening.

>>744006780
It's something people get very opinionated and defensive about now. I don't get it either.

>>744006985
Eat meat or dont. Pretty straight forward in my mind

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>>743992646
my best argument?

i have teeth that are made to eat meet , to grab to tear and to chew not just grind my food so i was made to eat meat now if you do not get away with your bullshit i am going to put my boot so far up your ass your going to be tasting leather for a month

>>744007902
>i have teeth that are made to eat meet
sigh

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>>744007138
fenga papit

>>744008099
fuck you hippy

>>743992646
Because I like meat. I shouldn't have to go into further detail than that. It's a personal choice

>>744007902
This is so retarded.

You also have hands with opposable thumbs that are the perfect proportions to strangle a baby. Doesn't mean you should strangle a baby.

>>744007902
>my best argument?
>teeth that are made to eat meet
>meet

Fucked yourself there really.

>>744006719
Buy a whole chicken and roast it or make chicken soup. Whole chickens are very cheap friend.

>>744006930
No I am actually talking about sentience.
The sentient ones (cows and dogs) receive pity from vegans because of their ability to feel pain and fear, something the simple and primitive animals who are not sentient benefit from.
Meanwhile there are plants that are complex enough that scientists believe they do feel something akin to pain. But because plants and fungi are considered part of the scenery instead of living organisms, tough luck.

So basically your cellular structure defines whether a vegan would eat you or not.
Truly an arbitrary distinction.

Meat eaters tend to be compared to Hitler, but vegans could be compared to Hitler as well, with their whole animal supremacism and killing those who do not fit their standards of überorganismus.

>>743997375
>well done
>god tier
I bet you fucking eat your steak with ketchup

>>743992646
90% of the shit they say is made up. Like the pic you have OP. That is bullshit that is false.

>>743993050
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Lets start here then

>>743992646
>i dont give a fuck about being a vegan, stop projecting your own retarded diet on strangers just because you think it makes you special

>>744008784
so
you also have a cock that fits into a light sockit

but unless you have a medical condition where your body can not process
>>744008835 MEAT

then be vegetation
but fuck you if your shame me for what i eat or if i wear something made from a animal


if meat is murder then murder taste fucking awesome

>>744009232
But I love veal ice cream.

>>743994752
Animals are bad for the environment now? Time to go make some extinctions.

>>744010045
Fuck pandas. get rid of them first.