Any robots confronted their parents about being circumcised?

>>743772309
pasted from >>>/r9k/39422870

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>>743772309
it's disgusting. My parents kept the plastibell that was used to mutilate me.

My arms and legs strapped down to a board, my foreskin was ripped apart with clamps, a metal probe was used to separate the foreskin from my glans(at birth to at least three years old, it is attached to it in the same way that fingernails are attached to your eyelids), then a line was clamped down my foreskin, and an incision was made down that line. Then this plastibell was forced under my foreskin, and that piece of string was tied around the skin to cut off its blood flow. Then the rest of the foreskin was cut off, the handle was broken off of the plastibell, and that ring was left on my penis until the skin became necrotic and died.

Then my parents decided to tape it in my "baby book", right next to the wrist band I wore, as if it were completely normal.

>>743772309
Thank goodness i've got 4skin

My mom actually commented on it once, I don't remember why, i think it was something on television that prompted her, but she said she shouldn't have let herself be convinced it was the right thing to do (or something similar).

>>743773448
That's just messed up.

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>>743773448
get over it fucking faggot
i had to get a circumcision at 23 because of health issues
sex is better now

grow up and stop being an underage whinny little shit

>>743773448
its normal kid

>>743774222
>but she said she shouldn't have let herself be convinced it was the right thing to do (or something similar)
too fucking late now

>>743772309
>be me 5 or 6 yo
>take a piss one morning
>raise the seat and slap my weewee on the toilet bowl (its a high toilet, this was the only way to piss the "cool" way)
>as im peeing the seat suddenly comes crashing down on my penor
>rushed to ER, the fellas there were nice enough to let us go first
>get appointment for the operation
>get circumsized
No big deal at all tbh, just got some anestics and went to sleep
>wake up, dick in bandages, needing to pee
>qt nurse helps me, checks if all is Ok
>peeing stings alot but thats all
>had to pour water over my dick during pissing so it stopped stinging
>go to school again, tell my story
>theres a line @boys restroom to check out my dick

Thats my story, im half circumsized so the head of my dick sticks out a lil like a doggo dick.

>>743774599
True, but I'm a subby little faggot so it's no big deal!

>>743774989
If you wanted to restore it, the foreskin you have left is a head start.

I doubt very much surgery was necessary.

>>743772309
Who cares, stop being such a beta virgin about it. You're either cut or you're not. This whole concept of confrontation is pure cringe

>>743772309
Yeah I'm gonna argue with people about what they're going to do with their kids' dicks.

>More like I don't give a fuck.

>>743772309
>Any robots confronted their parents about being circumcised?
who are you quoting?

>>743775500
Thats exactly why my mom asked to save as much as possible, im okay with my dick. Memery aside, i've noticed alot less buildup of gunk in between washing sessions. So I've got that going for me.

>>743775354
that's sad

>>743775533
agreed

>>743775533
True dat, girls dont give a fuck about cut or uncut.

>>743772309
No because my parents weren't jewcucked

>>743775674
wtf are you talking about faggot, wash your dick when you shower and you won't get "gunk" this is the problem with you jewcucks, go for the "Easy" way which is mutilating a perfectly healthy baby boy just cause you don't want to deal with washing your baby with the same care and love you would a baby girl, you people sicken me.

>>743774289
>i had to get a circumcision at 23 because of health issues
you're so fucking filthy you allowed this to happen?
quit lying about sex being better, everyone know it literally dulls and then severs a fucktonne of nerve endings
also no onewould fuck your disgusting ass.

>>743772309

srl ? Post a pic of low and loose... Never see it

>>743776136
why u mad fatso? cant find you own dick?

>>743776136
There are no health issues that require circumcision, despite what US doctors like to say.

>>743775820
>whether my dick is mutilated or not doesn't matter because girls like mutilated dicks just the same as normal ones

>>743776484
ok "doctor", whatever you say

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I do wonder how much bigger my dick could've been had they not fucked up the circumcision or left it alone. It turns slightly to the left because of there not being enough skin to support my mass

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>>743777165

>>743777165
The glans looks like it's literally merging with the shaft...

>>743777479
Yeah that part looks retarded but it is fucking huge

>>743777165
Uncircumcised dicks are 1/4 inch longer on average and the best explanation is that tight circumcisions create the discrepancy

Also you can stretch and grow more skin. Just do what the the foreskin restoration guys do. You can stop when things are loose enough.

I personally find cut dicks really weird, the tip isn't smooth at all like it's supposed to be. They really creep me out and I wouldn't have sex with one, thank god my BF is uncut

>>743778006
Some girls prefer cut. Maybe they don't know the smoothness difference.

>>743777052
Prove me wrong. Tell me one single issue a non-American doctor would recommend circumcision for. Protop you can't.

>>743774070
Women don't know how good they have it.

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>>743778105
Some people think this looks good. Some people are fucking retarded.

>>743778432
Phimosis

>>743776484
apart from phimosis

>>743777509
But it looks retarded so no one wants it bro

>>743779382
>>743779490
KEK. Yeah, nah.

>>743772309
had to get cut for medical reasons, kinda wish i had foreskin, but meh. i'd rather have a useable dick than have foreskin. dick grew like 4 inches after i had it done as a kid.

>>743779564
kecc, yeah. Are you a retard?

>>743772309
>robots

this is not /lgbt/, you gay faggot.

>>743779564
found the mad cutfag, mommy hates u

>>743779584
>had to get cut for medical reasons
No you didn't.

American doctors just lied to your parents.

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>>743774289

>>743773448
>in the same way your fingernails are attached to your eyelids

What kinda fucking eldritch horror fucking bloodline do you have, acolyte?

>>743779679
Someones definitely lied to you, anon.

>>743779302
I know, I meant that I just wondered why some girls don't feel the same way as >>743778006 despite the tip roughness thing.

I may be the only one, but I rather like my dick sans foreskin.

I'm not angry anyone did it, and to be mad about something like this would mean I'm pretty fucking comfy in life to have this kinda problem

>>743774289
When we had a son sixteen years ago, we had read a bunch of polls and reports saying women preferred giving head to circumcised men.

Easy choice for my son. EZ.

>>743773448
Man ure parents got cheated the procedere was useless without a proper dicksucker.

i like being cut i think it looks better

>>743776136
just phimosis

>>743780077
great reasoning im sure your son thanks you

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>>743774289

>>743779679
>all doctors are evil dick loping loraina Bobbitt impersonators

Just end your life fam. It's not that big of a deal to warrant a 4chan thread

I've thanked my parents multiple times for having me circumcised. I'd hang myself if I had a nasty looking sea monster in my pants.

>>743773448
Pussy. I've been circumcised my entire life and now I'm married after multiple sexual partners. It results in smaller risk for diseases common with foreskin like Balantitis and other shit. Your parents did you a favor. Tell them "thank you."

>>743780424
I just have no idea why this is a source of anger for people. How fucked/easy does your life have to be for this to be what sets you off?

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>>743780156
>>743780059
>>743779382
>>743779490
>>743776382
>>743775820
>>743775533
>>743774289

>this level of stockholm syndrome
>encouraging mutilation because women "like it more" (they don't, and it shouldn't matter)
>avoiding confrontation with abusive parents because "its over bro cant change the past btw this is why ur virgin bro"

never knew /b/ was so cucked

hope all your firstborn sons enjoy getting half their dicks chopped off and sold to cosmetic companies by jews

they use it to make the anti aging cream for the dried up skanks you want to impress so badly, and you pay them to do it

>>743779625
>>743779902
>>743780077
>>743780364
>>743780415
>>743780424
Why are mutilatedfags so sensitive about their parents decision to mutilate them being questioned?

>>743780077
Eastern European polls and reports. In the US you're looked at like a freak and won't get head from anyone... Without them laughing that is.

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>>743772309
> Not circumcised

I can clean my penis just fine, and not attract STI's because I don't go raw in random cum sluts.

Circumcision only makes sense for legit retards who are unable to wash themselves properly.

>>743780522
I mean, polls consistently show that that women prefer cut.

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>>743775820
Girls are more likely to experience an orgasm is you are uncut.

>>743779564
When the phimosis gets so bad your dick skin splits and inch and half down you go get circumsized. Repeat
I TORE MY DICK SHEATH IN HALF BECAUSE I WASNT CIRCUMSIZED

>>743780522
>it goes into the ANTI AGING CREAMS

Alex Jones, go back to water merchantry

>>743780077
you sexually abused him.

>>743780565
All I said is that it's not a big deal. You are the one starting threads about this in the hopes of having a profound effect on history by starting the anti circumcision movement back up

Oops... sorry /pol/ know I wasn't supposed to spill ze beans

>>743780744
Women also are more likely to experience organ with an inexperienced woman over a well experienced man.

Really gets the old noggin joggin

>>743780565
That's why. Exactly that. I'm not mutilated, motherfucker.
>>743780493
I'm sick of these threads, AND the faggots who are convince circumcision is some sort of sadistic torture. The shit has medical benefits and every woman I've ever been with told me they find uncircumcised dicks gross, mostly due to smegma. If I go a day without a shower, I don't start growing fucking cheese cultures, but I'm the mutilated one because my dick is always clean, has no infections/issues like Phimosis/Balantitis and these fucking anteater dicks come in here telling us all how cruel and stupid our parents are. At least my dick doesn't look like a fucking red rocket.

>>743780565
im uncut you fucking retard, getting cut is a valid option for someone suffering from phimosis so bad they cant actualy use their penis, or it tears like some poor anon just said.

>>743780788
Your foreskin was damaged because it was given proper medical attention and was amputated for the same reason.

>>743780871
How about I sexually abuse you?

>>743780522
>being this mad

>>743780972
Poor cutfag misses his nerve endings. IF you have phimosis it is viable, if not, you're just a sucker. Who cares what fucking women want, you can't feel the end of your dick.

>>743780972
Friend, let's just face it. This is why there will never be world peace.

When it comes down to brass tacks, all men will just get angry at each others cocks

girls don't care

>>743781096
Right. Because they also took my glans. You're a fucking idiot and I hope you develop Balantitis.

>>743781135
girls love natural not mutilated, if you have basic hygine there's virtually no difference

>>743781161
They might as well have it's fucking useless now. You're salty you have less of a cock.

>>743781135
/thread

>>743775354
>tfw u realize losing ur foreskin is what makes men homosexuak

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>>743780522
ATTENTION EVERYBODY. DO NOT TAKE THE BAIT AS IT IS VERY OLD AND HAS STARTED GROWING MOLD. WE ALL KNOW NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY BE THIS LEVEL OF RETARDED FAGGOT BUTTHURT. YOU ALL KNOW ITS BAIT. IT WOULD BE MORE BELIEVABLE IF SOMEONE GOT TO THESE LEVELS OF BUTTHURT WHEN THEY GO TO MCDONALD'S AMD THEY FORGET THE EXTRA KETCHUP. REPEAT. ATTENTION IF YOU ARE BUTTHURT OVER CIRCUMCISION OR ARGUE THE ISSUE YOU ARE A SUB HUMAN COCK MONKEY. REMEMBER ANGER IS DIRECTLY CORRELATED WITH THE SMALLNESS OF ONES PENIS. ALL YOU FAGGOTS ARGUING ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A TINY DICK. TO THOSE WHO ARE CUT. GOOD FOR YOU. TO THOSE WHO AREN'T GOOD FOR YOU AND TO THOSE BICKERING LIKE A MARRIED COUPLE OF METH TWEAKERS ON PCP YOU CAN GO KYS

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>caring about another mans cock

This thread is full of faggots. Get out of here you cockloving faggots.

>>743780565
Because I did it myself because my dick became sealed shut. I couldn't pee without exploding dick syndrome happening

>>743778105
>implying that's a girl

>>743781405
>comes to /b/
>surprised to be surrounded by fags
newfag detected

https://youtu.be/cEO7zDdmm-w

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>>743780800
It literally does. Also, the filter merchant is not wrong all the time. People shit on him for the gay frogs stuff, but chemicals do affect your brain chemistry and that includes sexual factors. The simplest example is traps taking hormones or puberty blockers. The amount of xenoestrogens in food and water is quite high.

No, because i'm not from a third world country or the US, which is the same thing these days.

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>>743772309
>live in South Africa
>routine infant circumcision is banned

How does it feel to know that a literal third world African shithole cares more about bodily autonomy than mighty Burgerland?

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>>743780744
Women also take and hour and a half to get ready in the morning. They talk on the phone for 2 or 3 hours at a time. It takes them 2 hours to pick a shirt in the store. They can't drive properly going through stop signs while they text away. They pretend they don't want sex then bust out the rubber Kong dong as soon as everyone has left. They pretend to like fancy sparkling drinks that cost 15$ for 4 cans and tastes like fizzy recycled sewage and go "mmmmmmm delicious" *barrrrrrrrrf* "soooooooooo tasty and *blargargarglarglblarg* good for you" they bathe in fruit scents that actually smell like alcohol mixed with drain cleaner and farts. There genitals are inferior, bacteria ridden, stink holes (ass eating seems great when the other hole smells 50 times worse.) Even their one physical advantage of not having testicles to trample is flawed at a cunt punting hurts enough for their oversensitive womanly nerve endings to bring them to crawling on the floor slobbering on a dog turd as they scream for help as their female testicles are being opressive male at the moment. They eat disgusting crap that doesn't taste good because they say the pile of processed horse shit their shoveling into their lipstick smeared cock hole. Shit this is why I'm bi and only suck dick. Women just burrow into your life like botflies into a scrotum. They dig to China to find the skeletons buried in your closet and when they find a stick that looks like a bone they flip shit and destroy your credit rating and post as you online to get you registered as a sex offender. They cut your brakes and rig you water heater to blow then claim rape on you. And then you go to jail because the crazy bitch has been collecting semen from you since date number one and she shoved some up her cootch and whacked it with a paddle till she bled then slapped on some dog urine and climbed up a tree high on jenkem and says it's the crack from your house the crack that she just so happened to plant in yo place

>>743782377
Don't they just do it during puberty because that's what African tribes prefer?

>>743782536
My gf isnt like this at all. Guess I win.

>>743782220
lol the US could annihilate your country

>>743782715
Well then dildo up faggot cause your girlfriend is a dude

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>>743780741
>>743780744
>self-reported polls
>women
Manhood 101 is "don't take women literally". That includes studies where the state their preferences.

>>743783028
lol you are literally in denial

>>743782722
Hurr durr Merica #1

>>743782722
USA is aidsville

Implying uncut fags are even getting laid only euro cucks bitch about this stuff and they also take millions of refugees and are getting cucked daily so what's that tell ya

>>743772309

>Not circumcised

>Have talked to pregnant friends/cousins/etc about why they shouldn't have their kids cut.

>Convinced most of them, because the facts are pretty undeniable.

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>>743783116
I'm not 'murican. But yeah, by all means keep listening to women.

>>743783132
>>743783175
lol triggered

>>743775670


LURK MOAR!

>>743783374
Nah, I just know US is scum of the globe

>>743783132
>>743783175
we have mere states more economically and politically powerful than your entire country

>>743783509
scum that you can't do shit to, scum that you can't touch

cry more faggot

>>743774353
Yeah, in jewmerica.

>>743783512
get rekt by vietnam, russia will glass you soon hopefully

>>743783623
lol russia doesnt even have half our population or gdp

our navy is like 30x bigger than russia's

>>743783553
why would I want to touch some fat mutilated cock fucker? Stay the fuck over the atlantic you ape

>>743783512
I imagine I might boast about my country if I had a deep insecurity over my mutilated genitals too.

>>743783678
Your navy is trash, your troops are trash

>>743783734
trash,yet you couldnt hope to even come close to beating us

>>743783703
but you are boasting about your own country in a way, you're just doing it in reverse, by bringing down my country

>>743783816
Because your country is aids, see how we came full circle?

>>743783886
we havent really gone in a circle because we haven't really even moved

>>743783816
Just face it, every country in the world hates the US, and would be glad to see it destroyed.

>>743783974
who gives a shit

people hate all sorts of things

>>743783816
I admire America in many ways, though obviously not this, and wish people treated male genital mutilation as an issue that happens everywhere, which it is, instead of America vs The World.

>>743784016
who gives a fuck

>>743784016

truth.

>there's absolutely nothing wrong with mutilating a child's penis because otherwise it would mean my own dick isn't perfect

The mentality of literally every non Jew that cuts his kid

>>743780972

there are NO proven medical benefits from circumcision. there a NO VALID medical studies that prove circumcision has medical benefits.

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>>743772309
I'm Jewish so no.

>>743784233
what about phimosis?

>>743783553
>Implying you aren't doing literal shit to yourselves
>Implying we want to touch a dying diseased inbred malformed dog with one overgrown pus filled testicle and no brain.

>>743784344
>implying you aren't mad that the US is literally the strongest nation on the planet

>>743783703
>>743783734
>>743783816
Itt: a bunch of people shitting on each other in a dumpster

>>743784450
eyyy m8 its just banter m8 its just banter!

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>>743784342

There are far less invasive ways of treating phimosis. Unless the skin is tight from scar tissue caused by reckless, dangerous, forcible retractions that cause tearing of the skin... then it can be stretched.

Specific creams can be prescribed to help with this.

In worst case scenarios, there are minor surgeries that can help with this, not removing tissue.

But treating a medical problem is ETHICAL. Cutting off healthy tissue because there might one day be a problem would never be tolerated with any other surgical procedure. It doesn't even come CLOSE to current day medical ethics.

>>743779897
Underrated

>>743784627
have you ever heard of the "is-ought problem"?

>>743784342

topical steroid creams and other methods are available to treat... chopping off wee-wees should be a last resort not a go to method of treatment.

>>743783512
I'm sure all those states would function perfectly well without eachother, and lets ignore all the states that are completely fucked

>>743784730
what if they dont work

>>743784763
huh?

the fact that the wealthiest and most powerful states have other states to fall back on is a good thing, not a bad thing

>>743784381
Kek keep telling yourself a toothpick is a mighty oak tree and maybe the delusion fairy will visit you

>>743780893
>starting it back up
>cutting rates lowest its ever been in the US.
Uh.

>>743784787
This. The creams did nothing for me

>>743784724

I understand the concept of the fallacy, but not how you're applying it to my post.

>>743784995
right the US is so weak, what with our gigantic population base, huge reserves of natural resources, a huge gpd, enormously huge military and a favorable geographic position

>>743785077
youre saying "this is the way the penis is naturally, therefore this is the way the penis ought to be morally"

classic "is-ought" reasoning

It happened when I was a baby and I've never once had some sort of "complication" from being cut. Why would I possibly give a fuck, and why do people feel so passionately about this?

>>743783816
>>743784016
>>743784074
Hmmm

>>743780972
>smegma after 1 day
Try like 2 weeks. And if you've ever seen a pussy, they basically make the same stinky shit. Its not an anomaly. Just have a shower rather than cutting a part of your dick off at birth. And by its defenition, circumsision at birth is mutilation. In later life it isnt but at birth, it is.

>>743785077
and it may not be a fallacy, but its jjust a philosophical problem

how do we get from "is" statements to "moral" statements? for hume, they seemed to have a distinct qualitative difference

>>743785125
Same argument is valid for chopping your dick off and becoming a tranny. Some things really don't need to be different from their initial state.

Circumcision is traditional Anglo-American culture. Being anti-circumcision is like being against apple pie, hot dogs, and the 4th of July.

>>743784787
>>743785045

There is an extremely low proportion of people in which the steroid creams don't seem to work. Could be that there is an underlying yeast problem, or that there is scar tissue that traumatizes instead of stretching... or simply that the exercises aren't done right.. or something else.. but in those cases if the person feels that they are tired of trying to stretch the skin, they can choose to opt for a dorsal slit or a partial circumcision (i think this is also called a preputioplasty), or hell, a full circumcision if that's what they want.. but they should explore their options and give informed consent before having the most extreme option performed on them.

>>743785230
im not asking whether or not the argument is valid, im asking why is it valid to think like that?

hume thought there was a "real difference' between the way things are and the way people think things should be

>>743785125
>youre saying "this is the way the penis is >naturally, therefore this is the way the penis >ought to be morally"

>classic "is-ought" reasoning


I don't think that's really my point. If you want to change your penis from the way it is naturally, I think you have every right to do that. Just as I am free to think you're a fool for cutting off a sensitive part of your body. BUT.. I don't think it's fair to permanently remove a sensitive body part from someone ELSE'S body without their informed consent (i.e. a healthy child). The natural body can not be given back to them if their new "is" isn't the "ought" they want.

>>743784787
>>743785045
There are alternative treatments, even surgical ones that are less invasive than circumcision and leave you with a functioning foreskin.

>>743785459
and why is that immoral?

>>743785498
what if none of them work

>>743785207
I'm the one with the circumcised cock. I decide if it's mutilation. I've decided it isn't. My son will have the same done. Get bent.

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>tfw gotten so far, my dick skin folds back over my glands
>mfw how it feels
>>743777732
>uncircumcised dicks are 1/4th inch longer
They don't cut your fucking urethra off, nigger.

>>743785506

To take away a part of a person's body without their consent? A part of the body that many deem valuable?

It's immoral because if you don't value informed consent, then you don't value the input of other people at all. It means you only value yourself. Even philosophy itself becomes meaningless if you only value your own input.

>>743780621
Lmao only if you're already a dicklet. Truth is you've lost length by cutting down.

>>743785277
If America is wedded so tightly to dick mutilation then it deserves to die with its horrific tradition, no different to Islam.

>>743785660
Not him. Until they reach the age of consent, children are under the full guidance of the parent. For good reason. Next you'll tell me it's child abuse to tell Timmy he can't have ice cream or to make him go to shool without asking. Kids don't have consent. That's literally the problem with pedophilia. Until we can time window our future adult kids and ask what they'd prefer, it's entirely ethical to let the parents choose what they deem best for the creature THEY created, in their care, under their responsibility.

>>743785543

You're right that YOU get to decide how you feel about your own penis. If you're not unhappy about someone removing a significant portion of your genitals you have every right to feel that way.

But when you say you will then make that choice for someone else's body, you're choosing to ignore the fact that you were also free to feel upset about the fact that someone cut off part of your genitals. You're ignoring that an increasing number of men are speaking out about what was done to them.

You're allowed to not mind that someone took a choice away from you. But does that mean you should get to take choices away from others?

>>743785089
>gigantic population base
Of niggers and spics
>huge reserves of natural resources
That come from other better countries
>a huge gpd (I assume you mean gdp?)
If you count the debt
>enormously huge military
Full of fags, Chad's, niggers, spics, and terrorist sympathizers that sell your shitty, defective weapons to the countries enemies
>and favorable geographic position
Oh because the mass of desolate wastelands everywhere but the coasts are soooooooooo important for your oil and........uhhhhhhh nothing else

>>743785660
why should we value informed consent? why should we value the input of other people?

what if you were a genius and everyone else in the world was a complete idiot? should you value everyone else over yourself then?

>>743785825
all that bad stuff about us and we could STILL whoop your country's ass into the ground!

>>743785824
>>743785788
There's my response. Infants don't have autonomy because they'd fucking die. You don't ask your kids if they want a bath or decide they get to eat anything they want. Parents make big decisions for kids until they can do it themselves. Nothing immoral about it.

>>743785148
They dont. It's two groups of fisherman thinking a fish took the bait but they really just got caught on each other's hooks. Now they'll pull and pull till a hook gets then right in the eye

>>743785788

Full guidance, yes... but not full control.

What other healthy body parts can parents choose to cut off of their kids?

How about another part of the penis? Nope.
Their earlobes? nope.
How about the foreskin of a woman? The literal EXACT same type of tissue, that protects the head of the clitoris? Nope.

There is a concept called body autonomy. Its generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. Its why you can't be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. You're BORN with this human right. That's why all of your other body parts are protected, even from your parents.

>>743785294
The front on my foreskin turned to stone. Well not literally but they couldn't cut or Pierce it because it was harder than callus tissue. They had to take the skin below it

>>743785737
>Stretches the foreskin on his 3 incher and says "look it's 7 inches"

>>743786233
kek

>>743785534
Surgery can't fail because it's literally doing the job surgically. The best case your argument can hope for is that the surgery needed is so severe that it amounts to circumcision, but even then, you're not going in for circumcision, you're going in knowing it's a possible worst case scenario.

>>743785854

You're making the argument for the hivemind super computer to control humanity.

Yes, it's logical for the smartest person to control everyone, but that's not what humanity is about.

That's why we fight the supercomputer in science fiction. Because we value individuality.

If you don't value individuality and human rights.. then there is no reason for anyone to listen to YOUR argument, so you may as well go find an empty place and have this discussion with yourself, and never share it with anyone else.

>>743785932
>Overcompensating

>>743786065
Parents can Pierce their kids ears and do all kinds of shit. If this was ancient China, I could bind their feet. Ancient Egypt and I'd bind their head. These are immoral. No benefits. The fact that it can even marginally reduce the chances of Phimosis, balantits and other issues makes it a moral choice wether a parent decides to circumcised or not. The only way it's abuse is if the parent is just like "Yeah. Cut the little fucker's cock. I don't care why." But informed parents in a country of mostly circumcised individuals deciding to do the same for health/religious reasons is not abuse. Bodily autonomy is earned by proving you can make said decisions. Infants can't, so the decision is the parents and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>743785935
If they gave me the option as a kid I would have said cut the whole thing off cause it's annoying. Kids are retarded

>>743786294
lol no im just asking you why you hold your moral convictions when there is no real impression in nature which makes them true or false

nietzsche said it best i think when he said "morality is anti-nature"

>>743786095
>couldn't cut or Pierce it because it was harder th

I don't think I have to tell you that that's an anomaly. I've never even heard of that before. Maybe you were about to turn into a superhero? I dunno.

>>743774289
lol crying about mutilation when you were so young you can't remember it. enjoy your wizardry uncuts.

>>743786378
Exactly. Ut we should wait until Timmy has formed memory, then present him with this huge option and scientific literature and let HIM decide? Fucking retarded.

>>743786469
But*
Fuck you, Google.

>>743786300

You should investigate this idea of "preventative surgery."

We don't cut off any other healthy body parts for prevention. It would be very easy to come up with health benefits to cutting off literally any body part.

The truth is that you don't see any value in the foreskin. If you did, then the absolutely marginal "benefits" would be laughable.

>>743786429
The doctor was stumped too. Said he didn't know what it was. He looked through some books and couldn't figure it out. He was the best urologist around too.

>>743786469
>>743786378

There is no reason to decide on circumcision as a child. We don't say "Oh, poor Sally couldn't choose whether not she wanted her labia removed, so we waited until she was 8 and asked her."

If someone wants their labia removed, for looks or perceived medical benefits, they can choose it when they are old enough to understand the consequences.

>>743786677
Again. I'm circumcised, have had no problems, and every sexual encounter I've had, they were glad I was uncircumcised. Even if the benefits are marginal, cumming less quickly AND a lower chance of disease sounds nice. Plus, aren't you just basically fucking your own foreskin with a fully intact one? I like feeling the vagina on my entire glans. Feels nice. Point is, it's still not immoral, and your claim that it is is asinine and hinges entirely on literal infantile autonomy. Remember when you have kids to just ask them their fucking preference on everything instead of parenting. Wouldn't want to invade their fucking autonomy.

>>743786857
And what if Timmy develops Phimosis at 13? Then what, faggot? It's not immoral no matter how much you want to claim it is. When your kid wants to stay home from school, remember to let them even if they're not sick, because a fucking idiot kids' wants trumps the parent's need to parent, right?

>>743786390

Nature is every-man-for-himself, right? Except that we naturally decided to work together, to live peacefully amongst each other for the common good. We live an easier life if we work together, but if that's going to work out we need some ground rules.

Of course those ground rules aren't "nature" because without them, we'd all fight each other, steal each other's shit and cut off everyone's foreskins because we're apparently so sure it's great.

>>743786993
i think nietzsche's point is that morality is always an interpretation of nature and never nature herself

any kind of an appeal to morality is an appeal to a particular kind of interpretation then

>>743786864
>>743786965
Why are you people so invested in being allowed to mutilate baby boys' genitals?

Do you feel the same way about girls?

>>743787228
Cutting off a clitoris to deny sexual pleasure and promiscuity is NOT THE SAME as removing a foreskin for the purpose of slightly better medical odds. I'm not going to entertain that fallacious argument. It's still not immoral.

>>743786864

Listen, I'm happy for you, but your experience isn't everyone's experience.

Cumming less quickly ISN'T a benefit of circumcision, it's an attempt to turn "less sensitivity" into a benefit.. but unfortunately, that's not how cumming works. It's not just based on how much sensitivity you have... there are many other issues involved. For example, it may be true that the sensitivity of the foreskin allows a man to feel when he's approaching orgasm, and to then back off a bit, thus preventing premature ejaculation.

Is sex with a foreskin like fucking your own foreskin? No. the skin moves back and forth, as you enter the vagina, the full glans is in contact, on the out-stroke, the foreskin begins to recover the head, but this doesn't fully happen until the penis is almost entirely removed. But this action DOES allow more skin-to-skin contact without abrasive friction, so you need LESS lube. Which means you get to feel sex more intimately.

>>743787333
Sex feels fine to me. I'd still like to know how you justify giving bodily autonomy to children on LITERALLY just this issue. It's not abuse to make your kids eat vegetables when they don't want to or force them to go to their grandparents, but as soon as a scalpel is involved, it's immoral. It's the dumbest fucking argument ever. By your logic, if a kid has a cleft lip and you opt to fix it as an infant, you're being an asshole because maybe they wanted a hair-lip. It's fucking stupid.

>>743787333
Also, I don't know where these fucking lube arguments come from. I've never needed lube for masturbation OR vaginal penetration. If you're struggling to get your shit in, it's because she doesn't want you.

Also, feeling when you're about to cum is not some foreskin superpower. I can do it too.

>>743786864
>>743786965
Why are you people so invested in being allowed to mutilate baby boys' genitals?

>>743786965

Phimosis is rare and treatable. If your child develops it at 13, you deal with it then, just like if your child gets an ingrown toenail or any number of other issues. Almost every case will resolve itself with no lasting problems. So your solution is to cut off half of the penile skin from the penis at birth to prevent that rare possibility? Remove thousands of fine-touch nerve endings that aren't found in the rest of the penis? Remove the protective and sexual functionality of the foreskin -- literally on the off chance that he might one day develop a rare condition that would have at WORST resulted in you having to have the exact same operation performed?

The logic there is completely absent.

>>743787576
Why are you so against my parental decisions? It's not your children. Fuck off. Also, not mutilation no matter how many times you want to claim it is. You didn't even address my last arguments, you lazy mongoloid.

>>743787127

That seems fairly obvious to me. Morality isn't about nature. Morality is about humanity. It's about community. It's about living with others.

>>743781340
>hehe if I don't take a side that means I'm superior to both

>>743787603
I'd like you to address how it's any different from taking your kids on holiday when they don't want to go or making them attend a Religious shool when they're atheist or whatever. It's not mutilation or abuse. The motivations dictate that. Infants don't have autonomy, no matter how badly you want to claim they do.

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My friend actually thought it was gross and unhygienic that I wasn't circumcised. How stupid can people get lol

>>743787637
>Why are you so against my parental decisions?
Gee I don't know, maybe the same reason I don't want parents doing foot bindings or head bindings or female circumcision or rape to their children.

How answer the question. Why are you so invested in mutilating little boys? You have no answer because there is no answer.

>>743787470

The foreskin isn't a deformity.. Literally every man is born with one. So, just because your child could be born with a giant painful blister that you'd want to treat, suddenly you should be able to cut off all 10 of their fingers?

I'm not saying the foreskin is the only body part that bodily autonomy applies to. I'm saying bodily autonomy ALREADY applies to literally EVERY healthy, normal body part your child is born with EXCEPT the foreskin. I'm saying that is illogical. It applies to every body part AND the foreskin too.

You can't have it both ways. Either it should be okay to cut off a baby girl's labia (and any other body part you wish)... or it shouldn't be okay to cut off a baby boy's foreskin.

>>743787965
My answer is if it prevents those diseases by even .01% then I'll do it, especially in a country where circumcised dicks are the vast majority. It's not mutilation. I'm glad my dick is cut. When my kid is 20 and also glad, I'll send them on here to tell you you're a retard. Making your little girl get ear piercing is more abusive and mutilatory than fucking circumcision.

>>743787574

A circumcised penis has been shown to pull lubricant from the vagina. It causes lube to evaporate more quickly.

I bet you're SO good at sex that you'll never once encounter dryness. For the rest of the population, and the comfort of more women, I could see how helping to reduce vaginal dryness during sex could be a net positive.

>>743787949
it is if you don't clean it, which I'm 100% sure you don't

>>743787325
>for the purpose of slightly better medical odds.
That's not why circumcision is done. That's a post hoc justification thought up for it.

The reason it's done is because not doing it would mean admitting your parents were wrong to do it to you.

And that you never want to admit.

>>743787470
>Circumcision is the same as forcing a baby to eat HEALTHY vegetables

>>743787980
Here's why you're full of shit: If I have a kid and decide to kill it for no reason, it can't stop me. It has no thoughts. No memory. It has no autonomy. Why don't we let 6 year olds drive cars? Their body, their choice, right? You faggots are just uncut and can't fathom why anyone would have anyone circumcised. Admit it.

>>743787740

How about this, instead of comparing cutting off a body part to taking your child to school.. Let's make a more direct comparison.

What other healthy, sensitive body parts should you be able to cut off of your child?

Just give me a list of 5 body parts you feel would be okay to cut off.

Or even just 1.

>>743788070
>Making your little girl get ear piercing is more abusive and mutilatory than fucking circumcision.
Cutfags literally think this.

>>743788251
Name the medical benefits to ear piercing and you may have a point, faggot.

>>743788091
Right. I'm just in denial. You got me, anon. My mother's dead and my dad's dying. I'm not here to justify their actions. I'm legitimately pleased to be circumcised. My kid will be, too.

>>743788151
>A medical procedure with even marginal benefits is the same as mutilation.
See? I can do it, too.

>>743788363
It's a shame that they're both going to die without knowing what abusive bastards they are.

>>743788192

If a child has no autonomy, then how come the state can come take your child away from you, and put you in jail for how you treat it?

Yes, if you were alone.. out in the wilderness with your child.. you could circumcise is. You could also rape and beat your child every day.. if that's what gets your dick hard.

The child couldn't stop you.. and then you could kill it before it grew up and killed you for treating it like shit.

Good for you.

But that's not the discussion we're ACTUALLY having here. There are human rights that we protect in this world... and you DO subscribe to them, or else you'd probably be in jail right now.

>>743788412
makes you hope there is a hell

>>743788199
Webbed figers. Hair lip. Cranial surgeries. Ostomy. There are plenty of valid reasons to cut into a newborn. Just because you don't see the value of this one procedure doesn't invalidate it.

>>743788288
Labiaplasties halve labial cancer. Let's start performing them on baby girls.

t. your logic

>>743788288

there could have been a tiny little cancerous tumor in the place where the needle went through, and thus, it was a tiny little successful surgery.

Unfortunately, with preventative surgeries like this, we just don't really know how effective it was.. but I've met someone who had a tumor removed before, so it does happen.

>>743788412
Seeing as my dad was an alcoholic growing up, you're not going to get an argument there. My mother, however, had a Master's in nursing and provided a great life for me and my mentally handicapped sister.

Still not mutilation.
Still not abuse.

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>>743772309
Pretty bummed about the whole situation, my mother actually saved up for my circumcision and it was done when I was about a year old. She saved up for this procedure at the (((doctors))) recommendation. I have two holes near the tip of my dick that could be considered piercings left over from the surgery itself.

I told her plainly if I had been given a choice I would have left myself natural, preferring to take the responsibility of cleanliness into my own hands. (heh)

Circumcision is by my understanding obsolescent. Do I harbor a small bit of resentment? Maybe, somewhere in the back fo my mind.

My mother apologized, and said had she known the truth about it sooner she'd have opted out.

>>743788489

So first you name two literal deformities.

Then you stop naming body parts at all.

I asked for healthy, sensitive body parts. Did you miss that part?

>>743788415
>The state taking over rights for the child proves the child has bodily autonomy.
Nice, uh, attempt, I guess.
No, faggot. If you're abusing a hold, they can take over the child's rights. They don't take them after circumcision. Funny, that.

>>743788489
>Webbed figers. Hair lip.
Those are performed for cosmetic reasons. Are you admitting male circumcision is too?

>>743788511
Does it? Let's, then.

>>743788583
Is the question is circumcision mutilation?

That's subjective.

mutilation -
the infliction of serious damage on something.

I'd say that missing a large portion of my pleasure center, for what is (in my opinion) an arbitrary and unnecessary decision in this place and time, mutilation.

>>743788693
>Does it?
Yes. Half of labial cancer starts on the parts removed during a labiaplasty.

>Let's, then.
Can't. Against the law in civilized countries.

>>743788630
Tell me what differentiates fixing a hair-lip from circumcision then. And I'll go ahead and stop your Argument from Nature by saying nature is just our genetic makeup expressed. The Hair-lip is every bit as natural as a foreskin. We don't live in the bush anymore. Foreskins are unnecessary leftovers from when our dicks slammed into trees and shit so it protected our sensitive glans.

>>743788583
He sexually abused you. >>743788448 was right, it's a shame neither will see hell.

>>743788652

How do you prove that YOU have bodily autonomy, anon? Isn't it because if someone cuts off a part of your body, the police go in an try to get the person that did it to you? As in, we don't tolerate that kind of behaviour?

The same thing applies to a child. You literally can't cut off any part from your child without going to jail for it.

That means the child has bodily autonomy.

And yes, the exception is currently circumcision, the most commonly performed surgery in America.

So, why can you go to jail for cutting off ANY healthy, sensitive body part from your child EXCEPT the foreskin? Is it because your child doesn't actually have bodily autonomy, OR is it because the law is currently being disregarded for "cultural reasons" regarding the foreskin?

>>743788735
And I'd say missing that section I never noticed from a surgery I can't remember and never having any penile issues makes it worth it. It's all fucking perspective.

>>743788836
>We don't live in the bush anymore.
But that's when circumcision began.

It's a stone age ceremony.

>>743788083

All the more reason to chop your own skin off!

Poor guy.

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Nope
>>743788602
Sorry Anon

Story time
I was having sex and the muscles in her pussy started gripping my penis tighter and I actually experienced pain
Without a foreskin finding the rhythm to thrust was disorienting. Pic is my penis semi
I've started to regenerate my foreskin. I'm avoiding the stretching devices because fuck that, I'm in no rush, and it seems almost more archaic than removing it in the first place. I heard stories of people using them and having really shitty results because they basically just got a loose piece of skin that got tugged during intercourse, making shit 10x worse.
The foreskin helps regulate blood pressure in the penis so it doesn't get too hard and have circulation cut off entirely.

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>>743788790
Hm. Well, I'm not a government official, so I can't do anything with that information. However, if I have a girl and she later develops labial cancer. I'll be sure to let her know the government could have reduced that chance by half and decided it was immoral for asinine reasons. Unless there's terrible ramifications or something, obviously.

>>743788895
I don't. Society does. If a huge nigger decides to rape me, my governmental autonomy won't mean shit. If I want a car, society says I can get one. That's it. Soceity dictates everything. I, personally, believe infants have no autonomy.

>>743788836

You realize that the head of the penis isn't the only sensitive part of the penis right?

Studies have shown that the most sensitive part of the penis is actually the part of the foreskin that is on the inside, touching the glans.

It contains the same type of nerve endings as the fingertips and lips.

Is that unnecessary to you? It isn't to me. I highly value that sensitivity.

Not to mention that the head of the penis still dries out and loses sensitivity in your underwear. Underwear isn't a very good foreskin substitute.. though granted it will help if you're slamming your crotch into trees a lot.

>>743788918
Right. That's not why it's still going, though, or we'd all still be head binding and shit. Bloodletting is an ancient ritual, too. Doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons for people to be bled sometimes.

>>743789002
>Unless there's terrible ramifications or something, obviously.
Less sexual please. Chance of it even more severely impacting her sexual function. You know, the same as circumcising boys.

>2017
>defending circumcision
Americans are this brainwashed and cucked.

>>743789224
Cutfags are literally cucked from birth, with their sexual function cut away to look like daddy or please a future girlfriend, despite circumcision objectively making sex less pleasurable for the man and woman.

>>743789081

They, under the law, have just as much of a right to their body parts as you do.

If you don't count having protection under the law as true autonomy, that's an entirely different discussion.

But the comparison with removing body parts to taking a kid to a school they don't like is ridiculous. They aren't under the same category of protections. Obviously parents have to make decisions for their kids.. it's just that removing healthy, sensitive body parts isn't one of those choices.

>>743789193
We're those legitimate reprocussions or were you just foaming to equate them? Quality of life isn't impacted at all by circumcision unless it's botched or you have a unique situation. A properly performed procedure results in no memory of it, no risk for Phimosis, even if it's rare, and less chances for Balantitis and yeast infections and shit. It's a warm pocket for bacteria to grow in. Removing it doesn't turn your dick into a sensationless nub despite what you uncut fags say.

>>743789443
>Quality of life isn't impacted at all by circumcision unless it's botched or you have a unique situation.
The exact same can be said just as factually for labiaplasty.

>less chances for Balantitis and yeast infections and shit. It's a warm pocket for bacteria to grow in.
Women produce more smegma, so this is even more true for them.

>>743789443

Wait, isn't your mouth a warm pocket for bacteria to grow in?

Yet you willingly keep yours... very confusing.

>>743786469
how about not cutting your childs penis full stop?

>>743789443
Anon cut dicks grow more bacteria more easily
t. person with cut dick who actually did research

>>743789509

When you remove functionality from someone's body, you DO remove their quality of life... though obviously that term isn't particularly appropriate since it's generally used in more dire situations.

But the point is.. it DOES remove something of value.. and it's not FAIR to do that to someone without their consent... even if you're a well-meaning parent.

>>743789509
I already said I was fine with labiplasty for these reasons as well. The fuck is your point? Are those actually the ramifications or not, faggot?

>>743789728
I agree.

>>743789735
Just pointing out how labiaplasty is more justifiable by your logic than circumcision.

>>743789728
>>743789509
I love it. You uncut fags are so willing to argue over this, you'll blindly attack each other without ascertaining their positions. Truly kek worthy.
>>743789518
Right. Because removing my entire mouth which I eat and talk with is the same as an inch of foreskin. Nice strawman.
>>743789527
How about as long as there's a percieved benefit and it's legal, I'll do it for HIS benefit.
>>743789648
Can you show me a citation for this? It would be the first logical argument anyone in here has made besides "I, with my 'intact' penis deem this act immoral."

>>743789910
but i mean thats totally fucking subjective, just because its for '''''his benifit''''' you're gonna cut his dick?

thats literally, LITERALLY exactly the same as bodyslamming the fucking kid when he's born, breaking both his legs and go 'SEE? NOW HE'LL GET LOTS OF FREE BENIFITS FROM THE GOVERNMENT, I JUST SAVED HIM SO MUCH TROUBLE!''

i mean honestly how can you actually legitimately be this retarded? i know USA education is the worst but please tell me you're not all actual third worlder psychopaths

>>743789812
They both have cases to be made for them. Just because removing the foreskin doesn't result in like 0% chances for cancer or some shit, you guys deem it bad. If your foreskin doesn't extend over your glans, the chance for Phimosis is reduced to 0.000-%. More than worth it to me. My kid won't remember a circumcision, but my 20 year old with a phimosis'd dick certainly will

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>>743772309
This unfortunately seems to be a very hot topic here over the years...the reasons why are debatable but it obviously distills to monkeys wanting to think they are superior.....

There are but few simple facts about the matter. Yes, it does appear that it reduces the risk for some diseases in life.

Whether or not this is valuable enough to warrant in the face of the fact that you do undeniably lose innervated tissue that would otherwise heighten your sexual experience is debatable in my opinion.

What nonetheless seems completely logically clear is that nobody who was circumcised at birth or at an early age with no prior sexual experience has any kind of context to understand whether or not it is in fact "better."
This is only logical, since you have no context to compare within, you may only speculate that it was the "right" choice. Thus the adamant cries of "thank ur mom" and stuff....

Truly, I think the only people who have a weighty opinion on the matter are ones who underwent the surgery later in life on their own choice.

Thus, this is the perspective that I adopt. The risk of penile cancer and other such nightmarish worries does not usually afflict the young and sexually inactive. Therefore, in my opinion there is no reason not to let a male individual decide of their own accord.

>>743790094
Emotional, illogical strawman. I'm not going to address that argument until you actually TRY.

>>743790183
LMFAO

heres your options dickhead:

1. get 100% resentment from your son after he grows up with a retarded dick

2. destroy your sons dick and then dont educate him so he never questions you

both options are terrible for you as a father, good fucking luck LMAO

>>743790183
ALSO, i like how in a discussion about your potential child, you think that 'emotional' has no bearing on the argument

hello?

>>743790314
And now a False Dichotomy. Are you capable of arguing without fallacious reasoning, foreigner?

Here's your first strawman so you can compare:>>743790094

>>743790391
Emotion ≠ Logic. I'll make health decisions for my kids based on logic and research instead of your asinine moral compass, alright?

>>743790416
>ha ha, i will simply refuse to acknowledge him!

i mean i cant see how this will fail someone who wants to be a parent

>>743772309
>John, Denice, I think it's time we talked about your kid's dick.

>>743790499
If my kids come at me with strawmen and false dichotomies, I'll be sure to set them straight, too.

>>743790129
>the reasons why are debatable but it obviously distills to monkeys wanting to think they are superior.....
Don't be retarded. The reason why is wanting innocent baby boys to be left intact.

>>743790565
Is this what its like to genuinely lmao at someones life? enjoy being hated and alone forever

also if you hadnt guessed everybody here knows you're a permavirgin by the way you type, so dont worry about those kids

>>743790611
No. He's right. He's the first person to come at it logically and if anyone is left who had a circumcision later in life, I'd like to hear their views on it. Instead, I'm arguing with uncut people telling me what a monster I am for making a medical decision I believe is in the best interest of my kids.

>>743773448
B A I T

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>>743790565
different anon here, you literally make me cringe

>>743790658
I'm married, own my own house and am 30. I literally couldn't care less what fucking anonymous thinks of me. You still haven't come at me with anything besides a strawman, a false dichotomy, and now ad hominem. You have the poorest logic/debating skills I've ever witnessed, anon. Get help.

>>743790129
>>743790708
You know you're a retard when cuttard is the only one taking your side.

>>743790794
ikr lol what a faggot

>>743790794
Same anon, here. I literally don't give a fuck.

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>>743790825
Clearly there isnt any logic or debate needed if one of the supposed debaiters will literally never change his stance, for unfounded reasons.

If you're reason for believing X is flawed, then no amount of logic can convince you of anything obviously, so rather than doing that, im taking the much quicker road of just laughing at your expense and your sons expense

also, for someone who doesnt care what anonymous thinks, you sure reply alot, i jumped in way after the argument first began so im like 1 of 5 people you've responded to

>>743778105
Maybe the don't like the smell of smegma.

>>743790861
>>743790890
Solid arguments, boys. It's a wonder you haven't convinced the whole world you're right. If this thread has taught me anything, it's that there's a correlation between having an uncircumcised dick, using 4chan, and being pants-shittingly retarded.

>>743791008
Well, you're not the one using ONLY logical fallacies to debate me so you still have my respect. Here's the thing: I'm a skeptical atheist. I'm not set-in-stone on anything. If you can provide a point I can't counter and demonstrate the superiority of your argument to me, I'll adjust my worldview. That just hasn't happened with any of these people yet.

>>743791167
>muh skeptic community

What is there to debate?

It's a man's body, it should be his choice whether or not he needs a non-essential surgery.

>>743791167
Im literally in the same thread you're in, looking at the same words on the screen as you are. If you have read all of these arguments against circumcision and still disagree, then nothing will make you agree.

Its funny you brought up athiesm (for some reason) because if this was a religious discussion, you would be the religious and i would be the athiest, you dumb cunt

>>743791237
Where did I mention a fucking community? Fuck Sargon and the rest of those idiots. Nice assumptions, though.

>>743791318
Uh huh. Whatever you say. Only arguments I've seen against are "Clearly it's wrong. Because I say so." "Yeah, there's benefits, but like so what?" And "HAHAHAHA. FUCKING IDIOT." Which one was meant to persuade me? It's all emotions and arguing that you can't make bodily decisions for your own children in here. It's asinine.

>>743791009
>Maybe they don't like the smell of smegma.
What is soap?

>>743791009
>cut your genitals up so you smell better
woman logic