Is the universe aware of itself? DIscuss

>>743566000
No, it's an inanimate collection of objects on its own - the sentient species dwelling within it may be aware, may not though.

technically speaking yes, we're made up of matter contained in the universe and we observe from our own perspective, hence being the universes introspection, meaning its aware of itself

>>743566000
chk

>>743566000
Yeah probably, it's matter formed itself into lifeforms which are aware. We're part of the whole, we're not some separate part of it.

>>743566000
No Absolutely Not

>>743566000

god, before the big bang, was everything, he got bored, killed himself, but pieces are asembling. Not even god can kill himself.

Its like when i smoke too much weed and i dont get high anymore. We are doomed to stay here in whichever form we got...

>>743566345
theres some type of theory (alternate universes or some shit) that says we're everywhere at once so if thats true then its plausible seeing as we're everywhere and within everything so we're aware of ourselves and the universe

>>743566000
We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself. - Carl Sagan

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>>743566000
Yes
>>743566208
You're wrong. We are made from everything the universe is made from so therefore we are the universe aware of itself. Try to science more faggot
Check em

>>743566520
This. Been dabbing for a full straight year. Starting to feel this exact way.

>>743566000
is the OP aware of the fact he is a giant faggot know across the whole universe?

>>743566666
this

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>>743566666
wew

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>>743566666
check'd

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>>743566000
OHHH


>>743566666
OHHHH

TRUMP IS SATAN

HEIL TRUMP
HEIL OUR PEOPLE
HEIL VICTORY

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>>743566666
fuckin witnessed

>>743566666
You're a dumbass if you equate composition with sentience.
You have metals in your body just like a car - are you saying a car is sentient and can perceive itself?
Same for buildings - you have silica, carbon, etc. in you - are you trying to tell me they are capable of higher, or any, thought and feelings?
You're fucking retarded regardless of quints, the universe as a whole is a collection of things that are unaware -
space, stars, planets, asteroids, black holes, dark matter, etc. - only the sentient things dwelling within the universe may or may not be aware of the universe.

>>743566000
I thinks our conscience is a way the Universe gets aware of itself. We are the part of the Universe so, that's how it goes. Since the Big Bang matter gets more and more complicated and finally this matter starts being aware of its own existence and the existence of the Universe.

>>743567281
You got it all wrong.

>>743566520
almost as if.. as if... we're in hell.. we're doomed to live die repeat this same miserable existence endlessly

>>743567576
No sir, you do. Have a good day.

>>743567281
Certain parts of the universe are not aware, but the parts that are, are essentially the universe's eyes and ears. To claim that the universe isn't aware of itself because the rest of it isn't capable of sentient thought isn't an argument, the parts that are do the thinking

>>743566000
nope.

only God and human beings are.

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>>743567622
you can fix your life

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>>743566666
Dem sixy quints dont lie

>>743566666
satan is here

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>>743566666
Holy shit
/thread

>>743568074
Sorry, but no. If it has sentience, it is not the universe, it is a sentient being.
Regardless of its existence within the universe, the universe itself is not sentient.
If we blew up Earth today, the rest of the universe would go about its business as normal - it would neither try to stop, or assist, us in our plan.

>>743568103
there is no god faggot

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>>743566666
CALL 911 NOW

>>743568257
not possible. it's as if the devil himself continues to torment me relentlessly

>>743568418
the universe it's one giant brain, but it has tonnes of pockets of consciousness, which are still just the universe experiencing life itself
regardless of how individualized they are still as much apart of the universe as anything else in existence

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>>743568418
I never said it would help us, sentient beings are made up of the universe so why wouldn't the sentient matter inside the universe be considered the universes consciousness. Universe literally means "whole" and "everything". You are not separate, and neither is your status of consciousness

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>>743566000
All matter is is energy condensed to a slow vibration, life is but a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves

>>743568539
Show proof of your claim.

>>743568637
Show proof our sentience is made up of matter in the universe - I'll wait.

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>>743568539
>the universe it's one giant brain

yes

>>743566666
Wait..... whaaaat???

>>743566000
>anthropic principle

We are Borg

>>743568708
>your brain exists
>empirically, in the universe
>consciousness, is a by-product of your brain being alive and operating
what proof are you waiting for Einstein

>>743569096
"We don't have proof that it exists, but we ALSO don't have proof that it doesn't exist!"

He's probably a creationist

>>743568741
>>743568708
faggot mods edited the post, supposed to say it isn't one giant brain, obviously.

Guys think about this shit. The Universe is ever expanding and because of this is also slowly cooling down. There will be a point where everything is so far away that there won't be any new stars or planets forming, completely nothing happening. No action at all. Therefore we can say that entropy is the ultimate death of the universe. But the very idea of life is something that is resisting entropy in order to exist.
>Perhaps the Universe created life so that through it entropy will be resisted
And because of this, should we say that the Universe "wants" to exist?

>>743569096
And we know of brains that exist but produce no sentient thought.
Now, prove our sentience is made up of stuff in the universe, not the biological mass which houses the sentience.

>>743569151
possibly, but creationists can make logical connections like these all the time too. It just takes a certain amount of willingness to think

>>743569151
pretty much a semantic debate about what the consciousness is. we as a species can't scientifically prove it exists, still.
>>743569205
see then he posts this and the thread is updated. exactly what he's trying to prove.

i think therefore i am.
nuff said

>>743566000
Obviously, that's what humanity and all other self-aware sentient beings represent

>>743569217
the universe isn't connected like that, and even if it were, it'd be mighty retarded to have multi billion year long synapses between neurons. would literally take the age of the universe itself to produce a single thought

>>743569205
The "biological mass" itself and everything in it is made from stuff that is in the universe.

>>743566000
Duh, you

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>>743569325
he's arguing that something can exist outside of the universe, that the consciousness of humans and its entire psyche is stuck in some sort of matrix held within the human brain

>>743566000
Yes, there is a movement in psychology called panpsychism which is the idea that everything has a form of consciousness. Meaning that like us, our cells have an individual consciousness and that the Han race as a whole should have a combined consciousness. And if that's true then by scaling it up to the universe. The universe will have a consciousness and will there for be aware of itself.

>>743569217
There are patterns in nature, whether it's fractal or symmetrical objects.

>>743569205
I'm concerned that you may be a bit on the spectrum
>prove our existence is made up of stuff in the universe
>not made up of biological mass
>biological mass
>that exists in the fucking universe
and what does it matter that there are brains that produce no sentient thought, that's about as significant as saying rocks can't.

>>743569362
>he's arguing that something can exist outside of the universe
and to finish, i end it with calling that guy a fucking retard for anything that exists is apart of the universe, otherwise it could not exist.

>>743569314
Guess you never heard of the cosmic web, you really need to catch up on your science there friend.

>>743566000
yep

>>743569389
The Fibonacci sequence

>>743569393
you're argument is retarded anon. unless it's based upon us living in a simulated reality -which case there's no way to disprove or prove- then and only then can your argument have any merit

>>743569425
dark matter is stupid psuedoscience that is completely unfounded in reality. we aren't capable of yet understanding the arrangement of the cosmos, although i applaud their valiant efforts, it simply is too complex for us to fathom at this current point in time.

>>743569509
Dark matter is not a pseudoscience, its a term coined because it's a singularity in nature and we can't pin a true name for it yet.

>>743566000
you are bourne of the universe. you are aware of the universe. therefore, the universe is aware of itself.

>>743566000
yes, hello

>>743566000
probably just beyond our attention span as if it were another dimension

>>743569509
What are you talking about? That is not only unrelated to the topic at hand, but not an argument against what I said. It's very simple to grasp: we are made of stuff that exists within the universe, meaning that our consciousness can be philosophically viewed as the universes thoughts. Simulated reality has nothing to do with it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
the question is more whether there's anything BUT the conscious part of the universe (IE me)

or it's almost meaningless, see >>743569381

>>743569509
the universe is obviously toroidal

>>743569509
Most of what scientists know about the universe is best guess, that's why it's called "theory" A lot of scientists a lot smarter than you or me agree there is a cosmic web.

>>743569725
Boltzmann brains are an interesting concept, cause statistically speaking difference in entropy should create those a lot more than evolution leading to a whole species

>>743566000
is blood cell aware of itself and its purpose?

>>743569570
things we observe over great distance with minor detail and that which has ocured billions of years prior to observation, are irrelevant considering current sciences and techniques of observing such interactions

>>743566000
If anyone here is having bad erections take vitamin B complex it gave me a rock hard boner

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>>743569314
Actually it is connected like this, those are long chains of connected superstructures, or millions of galaxies funneled into filaments by dark matter exerting it's forces on them. This doesn't change the consciousness argument though. Sure it looks likes brain structure but that hardly means that the universe is synapsing ...

>>743569669
i clearly had you confused with the other poster, my apologies

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>>743569509
>a simulated reality -which case there's no way to disprove or prove
there are x simulations, the chance that we are living in the base reality is 1/(x+1). in other words the odds of us not living in a simulation are one in billions.

>>743569840
good to know

>>743569740
a lot of attention hungry money deprived faggots who use psuedo science and fancy buzzword gimics to garner attention, agree on a lot of outlandish and unprovable theories.

>>743569865
Oh- it's all good my man

>>743569795
Not as far as we can tell, but that's a question of perspective we can't definitively answer

how utterly pointless life is if we are just energy recycled and being passed on

wtf

>>743569863
those super galaxies almost all died out long ago. they're likely being pulled together by this thing we still know almost nothing about, gravity.

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WILL YOU SPASTIC CUNTS GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND WHICH IS "IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE UNIVERSE COMPLEX ENOUGH TO DEVELOP CONSCIOUSNESS AND UNDERSTAND IT'S BIOLOGY"

>>743570018
sorry, what i meant to say was the light being push through these filaments are likely being curved by gravity, hence their apparent pattern

>>743569997
you give it meaning or don't. Any feelings you attache to the process or life itself don't matter, so what's the point in getting all upset over that fact.

>>743569868
>in other words the odds of us not living in a simulation are one in billions.
your brain is the simulator your body are the sensors for creating this simulated reality.
but your body being inside a simulation? is literally impossible to prove or disprove without leaving/entering the simulation itself.

>>743569973
>Not as far as we can tell, but that's a question of perspective we can't definitively answer
well >>743569795
there are white blood cells, and other anti bodies, which know which cells to attack and which not to.
whether or not they're aware they're apart of a whole, would be like asking a person if they're aware they're just a part of the universe

>>743570045
Don't be a faggot, the question posed was very loose, which was "is the universe aware of itself"
You're the spastic cunt that somehow gathered all that from a simple sentence

>>743570045
No, it's not since you said the entirety of it.

>>743569997
far more comforting than life just being some old perverts entertainment while we all suffer and they bickers with the devil between whos soul belongs to who, even though god supposedly sent the devil and his demons to earth, essentially turning earth into hell and we're just a bunch of little shits who deserve both gods wrath and the devils rampant faggotry/degeneracy.

>>743570179
They only know those things from chemical signals given off from processes we can understand, and don't give any signs of higher life. But yeah, nobody knows if or what they think

>>743570223
Think of the human body but on a larger scale though, entire galaxies forming machines like our brain. Is it really that far-fetched?

>>743570112
>but your body being inside a simulation? is literally impossible to prove or disprove without leaving/entering the simulation itself.
Nothing is impossible. You are just saying that because we are living in the past of a more illuminated time. In the future they will no doubt discover the soul/consciousness. But that same mind that we have not yet discovered as a substance can already do interesting things. Have you ever evoked a spirit (e.g. one of those of Goetia) and asked it if we live in one? I mean that would be a start. The universe is definitely aware to many mystics and occultists. If you aren't one then maybe you haven't experienced the universe as an aware reality yet. But you could if you really wanted to.

>>743570301
they don't think, they simply respond via their dna to certain stimuli.
much like our braincells

>>743570328
Yes, it is.

>>743570328
considering it takes billions of years for the light of those galaxies to reach us, yes it's rather far fetched to believe they're apart of some universal being.

>>743570376
Prove there is spirits that can be invoked and said universe is aware of mystics.
Fantastic claims need extraordinary proof.

>>743570376
>You are just saying that because we are living in the past of a more illuminated time.
so where is this bleak or desolate future you hail from traveler?

>>743570378
true, albeit brain cells do so in drastically different ways- that through millions of years of evolution seems to have produced "thought" and a sense of "self". These things are unique to humans as far as we've observed, and we've attached all sorts of implied special meaning to that. But the only thing it means in reality is that our responses to stimuli have gotten more complex than most things

>>743570057
Your intuition is correct actually. But curved by WHAT mass in the long stretches of emptiness in space? The detectable curvature of light is detected and local to a specified area, yet nothing is there.

>>743569911
Bunch of scientists/astrophysicists that have dedicated their lives to come up with and prove these theories
vs
An anon that can't even manage a paragraph without swearing or insulting..

Tough choice..

>>743570621
We cannot perceive anything there, it doesn't mean something isn't there.
We can't perceive air until we breathe it, or feel the wind - we just haven't learned what it takes to perceive what is/was in those areas yet.

>>743569777
and it's really just a strong non-solipsistic way of arguing that solipsism always wins

>>743570045
You got your answer early on, don't get mad cause it's not the answer you wanted.

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>>743570500
>Prove there is spirits that can be invoked and said universe is aware of mystics.
Draw or print out this sigil and chant "Paimon" while gazing at it. Sleep with the sigil under your pillow. There is a chance that you will then see interesting dreams. I'm not gonna tell you to actually go and evoke a spirit because that's rather involved. But that can be done, you would in that case draw a magic circle all that.
>>743570505
In our future.

>>743570829
That is not proof of claims. What if I have vivid or interesting dreams nightly already?
Still need proof of claim.

>>743571052
Well. Fuck you then.

>>743570621
likely black holes, they're far more prevailant and larger than current science gives them credit for, although only recently were they generally accepted as being real, we still don't know if they exist as they still sit outside the current realm of mathematics

i think it's funny how something which breaks the laws of physics, is theorized by them at the same time

>>743570711
someone who has profits and attention to gain
vs
the basic proponent of common sense that man is as greedy as he is evil

>>743570829
>In our future.
i really hope my future doesn't entail mysticism and all the faggotry that comes with it. i've had visions from the future before

it's never anything good.

>>743571405
>it's never anything good.
or anything i can ever change
my fuck why is this life always proving one thing
it is hell

>>743571405
You may or may not die before any significant discovery. So by our future I meant the future of this timeline. Maybe your visions are not to be taken literally and represent something else?

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>>743571472
meh, nothing i can remember anyways, i completely disregard them as nonsensical dreams. chances are at least one of my vivid dreams would come true right? just my luck it was a bad one... lets hope it's the only one

>>743571472
>So by our future I meant the future of this timeline.
tell me more about nostradamus type mystacism.
what prophecies and faggotries are to come
am bored and in need of a good story

>>743566520
>The idea that creatures as lowly as is could fathom the mind of something capable of creating the infinite universe which such precision that every action has been planned.

That's the problem with organized religion

>>743571312
A statement like that deserves a "sure kid"

>>743566000
Hows your flight trough infinite space? You monkeyman who lives on spinning rock.

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>>743571647
enjoy your psuedoscience and "quantum' gimmicks

>>743571598
>chances are at least one of my vivid dreams would come true right?
I see vivid dreams all the time but they don't manifest. If we could divine future then many people would have foretold 9/11 and other major events. So generally we can't. Some people have foretold the future either consciously or unconsciously. But the prophecy is typically personal or unclear in a way that skeptics can debunk it.

A typical example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taruni_Sachdev#Death

>>743566000
>>743570045
The answer is yes.
The "universe" is literally "everything". Including Earth and Humans.
Also we are made of stuff that was first produced by stars before it was recycled into our solar system (and us)

>>743566666
ebin

>>743566000
It's quite funny....this keeps coming up more and more often.
>My friend flatly refused to believe that the earth had a consciousness and pretty much called me an idiot.....he's a smart cunt too. He said it's just a rock floating in space.
>a few weeks later we were talking about salt (unrelated conversation)
>he said salts only function is to heal or something and that when an organism creates salt it's healing.
>I said the earth has lots of salt. Did the earth create it to heal itself
>dude was like "huh....maybe...yeah"
>I said "so you just admitted the earth could be conscious and is able to heal itself"
>he is a lawyer from DC and he ain't used to losing debates

>>743571788
>Quantum gimmicks
Someone doesn't understand quantum mechanics

>>743571811
edgar cayce, surprisingly there's an easy way to tap into the 5th dimention.

>>743571998
Well you both are wrong and stupid.

Source: I'm a biochemist

>>743572040
>quantum mechanics
top kek. and you don't understand when you're being rused.

>>743572111
Can you please explain to me what is wrong with quantum mechanics?

>>743571998
The earth functions in many ways to regulate itself when an uncommon or exterior force introduces new changes. That is, earth naturally moves toward homeostasis. Even so, this does not imply "consciousness" in the sense of the planet having some sort of brain that is aware of itself. The earth is alive, no doubt, but it's a stretch to say it is a conscious entity.

>>743572198
oh nothing, it's doing its job quite well if you ask me.
trapping idiots into exposing their stupidity and naive tendencies, one shitty psuedo science video at a time

>>743572268
calling the earth alive is even dumber than calling the sun alive.

>>743571998
>>743566000

Isnt it rock? And you are monkeyman. This is that what schools and news tell you. They tell you what to think and how to think.
Univers isnt a space where balls fly and magic called gravity lives. Univers is earth which is flat and stsationary. Everything revolves arounds us. We are center in our known univers. Everything is lights: moon sun and stars. There may be other realms or dimensiond where we cant go only trought spiritual process. Outher body exeperience plus some dmt shrooms or other drugs.

>>743572349
So you have no real points/arguments against quantum mechanics validity?
I'm a biochemist and have taken both undergrad and grad classes in quantum mechanics

>>743572544
>paid to study theories which amount to nothing more than
>spoopy ackshuns at a distance!
everything i saw about quantum mechanics was all clear cut psuedo science. all i can find on it is retarded bullshit.
is there more to it than just "you know something which immediately tells you something else through deductive reasoning, FASTER THAN LIGHT CAN TRAVEL!" memes?
cause that's all i've ever read or seen about before.

oh and
>muh scattered light reacts differently under different circumstances and it must be awares because observing the action chances the results! (don't mind the fact that you can only physically observe the actions by changing the result to begin with)

>>743572728
not understanding it is not an argument, you dumb fuck.

>>743572728
So you don't believe quantum mechanics is real because you only watch YouTube videos about it and read memes? Sounds like the problem is you, go find a physical chemistry or quantum mechanics text book

>>743573010
yeah pretty much.

>>743572941
i understood their over simplifications rather well you mongoloid

>>743573010
what more to it is there than simple quantum entanglement and spoopy ackshuns habeebening at a distunce?
any books in peticular you'd recommend?

>>743572728
Not understanding the double slit experiment and the observer effect. As well as the duality of light
Observing the double slit and the screen changed the outcome from just observing the screen.

>>743572094
So when does the body make salt then?

>>743572387
How could it be dumber? Fucking idiot

>>743573184
The shapes of atomic and molecular orbitals and probability of finding electron in Each one

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>>743573119
read this and then come back to apologize for your shamefull ignorance

>>743572544
Ok Mr Biochemist. Is there a link between Mana and Aminism?

>>743573440
because stars are the birth of all life as we know it, without the suns rays we have absolutely no life whatsoever.

the earth on the otherhand is just a giant rock which happens to be in the goldilocks zone for liquid water

>>743573555
Is that your bible faggot? I bet you had fun debating stuff in that book.....except for you're not allowed to debate anything you just have to allow everything as gospel.
Fuck outta here you newbie

Oh look a thread for autistic stoners

>>743573323
Salts help by creating ionic charges to maintain pH and help reaction happen.

>>743573323
It... doesn't. Salt is abundant.
And it has nothing to do with healing. Our cells use it as sort of a baseline environmental regulation thing because we evolved in an environment with a certain level of salinity, so a bunch of our basic functions rely on it chemically.

>>743573793
Sooo it happens when there's an imbalance in the PH levels?

>>743573513
just to be sure, you're talking about the valence bond theory right?

>>743573925
spontaneous combustrion

>>743573883
I kinda get you. But does the earth. It then notice when it's PH levels are incorrect to produce the salt?

>>743574078
Ps I know the salt is actually not the healing part but the process.
What is the process called by the way? Sorry for being dumb

>>743566000

the universe is not alive, so of course not

>>743574164
>>743574078
the urf just salinates and uses our jizz to replenish its depleting salt stock.

it's why girls say its salty

>>743574078
It's really hard to say whether the earth has any homeostatic functions relating to it being a living superorganism, because if it is then it probably works on cthonic timescales.

It's important to remember that living creatures are a much a part of the earth as its minerals, and large populations of us grow, change the environment, interact with one another and die according to the way other life interacts with us, and ultimately planetary level effects like geology and weather. My point is, that if the earth as a whole is alive, then animal and plant life are likely to be an important part of it, and if it can think for itself then it probably does so over very, very long timescales. So don't focus on shit like salt. Think about how ALL the processes on earth interact and exchange information.

>>743574164
It has nothing to do with healing. Basic cellular chemistry requires a certain sodium level. The salinity of our body is pretty much a constant for this reason. If you have the wrong amount of salt you simply die. You need to be alive and have functioning cells to heal. Apart from that it has nothing to do with healing. Forget the healing thing. It's like saying you need water and air to heal.

>>743566000
No. It's just a bunch of rocks, ice, and other random chemicals floating around in infinite space... and we're just a bunch of primates walking around talking.. living out our pointless lives. Life is fleeting and a fucking waste of time.. The rock we're all floating on called Earth will be here long after we're all extinct.

>>743566000
Carl Sagan had a few nice sayings on the matter

>"We are a way for the universe to know itself".
>"...Star-stuff contemplating the stars".

>>743574362
Thanks for that fucking word.
Salinisation man....the thought of it is killing me.
So if the earth salinizes to level it's PhD then it should be easy enough to manipulate by unbalancing it....right? Or not?

>>743574582
"If you have the wrong amount of salt you simply die."
Thanks for taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it.
What if the earth has the wrong amount of salt?
You can stop replying if I'm annoying you