ITT: Things Americans actually believe

>>742552180
Lol what

Free kills don't kill

>>742552180
Free healthcare
>free healthcare for illegals only
Keep going

kill healthcare doesn't free
assault kills don't weapon

>>742552180
choice does in both situations

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>He's doing a good job

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4chan used to be good

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>>742553418

the merchant is our greatest ally.

>>742552180
> he thinks healthcare is free
Socialism doesn't work.

>>742552180
What the fuck is an "assault" weapon?

>>742552180
wtf is this

>>742554041
An invented term by corrupt and idiotic politicians.

>i need 30+ round magazines to protect myself and my home

>>742554188
Fucking retarded, if they were really smart they'd give it a harsher name. If I'm trying to use a gun, it better be a Murder Weapon, cause i'm not just gonna be assaulting a fuck.

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>the police are there to protect and serve the american people

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>ITT: Pro-Gun Free Zone retards

>>742553451
No. No it didn't .

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>>742554041
military weapons that are designed to kill and frequently used in school shootings

>>742553885
Except in every country that's not The Retarded State of America

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>global warming isn't real

>>742554996
Countries that enacted strict controls over gun ownership saw drastic reductions in gun deaths.

Facts don't give a fuck about your politics . Please use your gun on yourself

>>742555555

everything congress does is for the good of the people

>>742555104
>frequently used in school shootings
So, small caliber hand guns?

>>742555117
That's not true. In my country of Canada, our GDP ratio four lowest healthcare spending province is 41%. Think about that. 41% of the provincial budgets (minimum, and the quality is complete ass) goes to healthcare. They force doctors to accept whatever rate they want to pay them (indentured servitude). The US has more cancer treatment patents every year than the rest of the world combined. They have the highest survival rate of every country in the world for cancer. The list goes on and on about the benefits of your system.

>>742555223
Countries with oceanic borders that strictly limit intake of weapons reduce gun deaths, and have minimal overall impact on violent crime.

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>>742555223
>Let's make it against the law to own guns; it'll be the only law that criminals won't want to break, trust me guys

>>742555223
People still kill other people, guns or no guns. A gun is just a simple answer to a simple problem. Restricting firearms just means people move on to the next easiest thing to acquire and kill people with.

Before you know it, we'll have to show ID to buy plastic knives and forks like certain other countries.

Fuck "gun control." Go educate your people and stop pretending that tying their hands means they won't kick you with their feet.

>>742555324
>Cost of a gun in the USA, approx 1300.
>Same guns cost in Australia on the black market 34000 USD.
>Somehow autistic kids are supposed to get an illegal gun down at the docks
>"urr hey urr I'd like to buy a...."
>"fuck off"
>Every country that has gun laws has no mass shooting issue, and then the US.

>>742555311
Hmm.
Your figure sounds like utter bullshit.
I could not cooberate it from any legitimate online resource .

You're a lying fuckwit.
Unless you can cite your mf sources

>>742555466
I'm not talking about gun regulation in general retard I'm talking specifically about gun-free zones
Of course you need to make sure whoever is buying it has no suspicious background
That doesn't mean some piece of paper is gonna magically bar the shooter from coming into a gun free zone

>we can librate a country that's ruled by a dictator by destroying their country and stealing their resources

>you don't need to wash your ass with water after you shit

>My president isn't retarded because he can't unite a bunch of faggots it's the people who are retarded

>""""Poor Europeans xd"""""

>Haha Europe is fucked a small attack with 10 dead happened. Haha we don't even consider 10 dead an attack

>"Islamuropa" hahahahah they have 5% of Muslims hahahaha we have more than 20% that's increasing (because multi racial relations) of negroids xd Europe is doomed

>shootings will never happen if everyone is armed

>>742555751
Yep.

>>742552180
No being allowed to have a gun doesn't kill. This image is complete nonsense. An free health care isn't free dumbass.

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>>742555610
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/cost-illegal-firearms-australia-has-skyrocketed-criminals-now-do-gun-sharing-1378871
>Here's prices for AK-47 on the Black Market
http://www.havocscope.com/black-market-prices/ak-47/
>US price for AK-47
http://www.gunbroker.com/AK-47/Browse.aspx?Keywords=AK47
>Prices have tripled
http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/black-market-guns-triple-in-price-20141013-115f08.html
>I give you one of my favorite pics as a consolation prize.

>>742555464
Retarded "thin end of wedge" illogical reasoning.

Name a single country that has enacted strict gun laws that have gone on to require ID for plastic knives and forks?

Retards gonna retards.
And those retards want guns

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>2017
>Americucks still use this

>>742555896
None of those contain a 41% GDP on healthcare spending you fucking mongoloid.

Why is it always the most repugnant unrepentant retards that argue most vociferously for gun ownership?
Oh yeah, because they're scared little retards

>>742555924
So, you mean the UK? Where guns are tightly controlled and you have to be 18 to buy plastic knives?

You can't be this retarded.

>>742555996
The last bit is the only one i take issue with.

You have increasing maximum numbers, months go to 12, days go to 31, years go infinitely, but is generally written with a max of 99.

>>742552180
this is soooo true in poland
our "free" health care from taxes is soo shity and we have to wait soo long that people actualy die

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>>742552180

>>742555223
Its not about facts, its about freedom.

>>742556135
For under 18s
They were stabbing each other you see.

You see - see a problem - find a solution - problem solved.

Not - see a problem - deny it's a problem - problem gets worse - problem?

You can't be this retarded

>>742552180
>free health care exists in europe

I'm Australian and even i can say the only reason all of you hate america and pay them out is because their country is greater than yours and has achieved more lol.

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>>742556169
>Tfw alt-right 4channers are probably marching for "muh white genocide" because they are falling for the "bbc Master race" and "white women prefer bbc" baits on 4chan

>>742556225
Freedom to be shot to death by a mentally retarded person ( because they have no access to health care but easy access to guns)

American Idiot

>>742556297
Oh, okay. So you're just a bad troll then. Move along.

>>742556080
Oh, thought you were responding to a different one. I'm anti gun ownership btw. If you looked at them you could see that.
>https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/albertas-health-care-spending-is-unsustainable
>https://www.cihi.ca/en/health-spending add 11% of our countries GDP to the provinces spending
>https://www.cihi.ca/en/spending-and-health-workforce/spending/canadas-health-care-spending-growth-slows
My numbers we're off. It's 36.5% for BC, our lowest. You were right to question me.

>>742555996
Well, it may be retarded and arbitrary, but Americans can freely and easily use both. It's only the rest of the world that cannot figure both out.

>>742555641
>Parent of a child buys a gun
>Child uses gun
>Do we screen their children?

>>742556462
> Americans can freely and easily use both
Kek

>>742555223
This

>>742555223
Statistics prove this to be true...... but....

The deaths by gun that really causes the drop is by suicide. It barely ever reduces homicide by gun rates.

Logically, that means that law abiding citizens tend to give up their guns but the criminal element retains possession of them. You choose to look at only half of the information and draw your conclusion. That is faulty. You need to look at all relevant information if you wish to have an informed opinion about something.

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>>742555996

>>742552180

Here 's what conservatives believe:

Nothing is free, and that includes healthcare.
Freedom came, and still comes, at a cost such as the lives lost defending it.

It isn't entirely up to the others as much as it is up to ourselves to have freedom. That is why we Americans need guns.

>>742556719
Scratch out *the in that one sentence. Forgot too proof read.

>>742556359
>mfw neither side can see that they're being played by the global elite's social engineering
:(

>>742556674
>jew shit
>europe
>not realising america is the most jewish country on earth

>>742556805
This.

>>742556719

>nothing is free, and that includes healthcare

is this an observation of the current state of healthcare or a flat statement that healthcare is not free and nothing is free?

>Freedom came, and still comes, at a cost such as the lives lost defending it

there were wars, started by other nations, that threatened the existence of the USA. there is currently no such war. are you suggesting that we must go to war in order to claim freedom? please explain.

>It isn't entirely up to the others as much as it is up to ourselves to have freedom. That is why we Americans need guns.

freedom to do what? a lot of people I know that own guns never served in the military. and as far as I know, the only people who "fight for our freedom" are those who do so against foreign aggressors. anything domestic is simply crime.


maybe you can explain this position better, but as it stands it all sounds pretty arbitrary, anon. healthcare isn't free because you say so, and freedom isn't free because you say so.

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>>742556965
>>742556805

>1 shekel has been deposited into your PayPal

>>742555996
>>2017
> >Americucks still use this
Almost every nation on Earth uses a mix of metric and traditional units.

>>742556140
>You have increasing maximum numbers, months go to 12, days go to 31, years go infinitely, but is generally written with a max of 99.
Eurodates are just as retarded as American dates.
Arabic numerals go big-to-little (thousands place, then hundreds, them tens, etc
Eurodates (dd-mm-yyyy) goes little-to-big (days then months then years) for groups of digits, but big-to-little for digits withi a group.

yyyy-mm-dd is the only reasonable system

>>742556973
I'm not the anon you initially responded to but I can help a bit.

>nothing is free, and that includes healthcare

Everything has a cost. Training, pay, overhead etc. Free healthcare does indeed cost. It will cost in tax money that you pay. The bitch about this is mainly that we will provide health care to people who do not pay in. I believe most of the issue would go away if, in America, we had less illegal immigrants and free loading people on disability for being fat, lazy etc. Most people here do not want to help someone who is unwilling to help themselves. We're generally ok with helping people who are trying but struggling, but cannot stand the idea of helping someone who does nothing for themselves.

>Freedom came, and still comes, at a cost such as the lives lost defending it

Freedom is not represented only by outside threat. Freedom is the ability to make choices for yourself and not be forced into things by other. Read; a foreign power, your own government, a political party, your neighbor etc. In America, we have the second amendment simply to protect against the possible tyranny of our own government. And there is some basis in our need for that, because the War of Independence was over the tax rate and lack of parliamentary representation.

In our society, it is up to each person to ensure that they can respond to the need to fight for the freedom of our people against inside or outside threats. Our military generally handles the outside threat, but we are still expected to defend our territory if someone were to land on our soil.

Without weapons, we would be unable to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government.

Now... whether your average Joe would even recognize tyranny is a totally different discussion. We have guns because we SHOULD be smart enough to recognize it.

>>742556674
Makes zero sense.

>>742556973
What part of "nothing is free" do you not understand? If you're trying to get philosophical, then I'll break it down for you. If you want something free, you should want nothing, because only then would you have everything for free.

It's really simple though: nothing is free; everything takes work.

Also, there are people out there that do not like the way we Americans live, both domestically and internationally. There are people that would gladly harm us for many reasons. A burglar is a simple example. I'd be happy to shoot a burglar.

The world isn't all peace and love. It's messy; it's a jungle out there.

>>742557641

>If you want something free, you should want nothing, because only then would you have everything for free

>It's really simple though: nothing is free; everything takes work

individually, or as a society? or do you make a distinction between the two?

for example, what if we invent a robot that fix a lot of health issues? like in that movie, some sort of machine that can repair you? should people have to pay a lot of money to use it so the owner of the machine can make a huge profit? should people only pay what it takes to cover the cost of the machine? or should people not pay anything because the machine doesn't incur cost?

>Also, there are people out there that do not like the way we Americans live, both domestically and internationally. There are people that would gladly harm us for many reasons. A burglar is a simple example. I'd be happy to shoot a burglar.

again, I believe there is a difference between "crime" and "threats to our freedom." a burglar trying to invade your home to steal your stuff doesn't compare to Nazi Germany invading your country and toppling your government.

>The world isn't all peace and love. It's messy; it's a jungle out there

human violence is not an "act of God" like a hurricane or a flood. to just assume that things will always be dog-eat-dog is a defeatist attitude.

>>742558067
I could tell you so much but it's really up to you as an individual to understand what I say.

You also seems like you're on something like meth or adderall.

>>742557445

honestly, since you are not the same anon, I'm only going to address part of your post.

>mainly that we will provide health care to people who do not pay in

please refer to my first question in >>742558067

>tyranny of our own government

if the standing military of the united states, to include all active members and members of all policing organizations, sided with the "tyrannical" government, would private ownership of weapons truly give the "people" a chance to stop the government? also, consider how many citizens would accept this tyranny over risking their lives to stop it. in this scenario, can you please demonstrate how private ownership of guns improves your chances?

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>>742558351

>I could tell you so much but it's really up to you as an individual to understand what I say.

I sinceryly doubt that you could "tell" me anything, since most of what you would say is probably you just parroting something someone else told you.

I have been very clear with my questions, so I don't need you to "tell me so much" since I only need you to address my questions.

>You also seems like you're on something like meth or adderall.

pic related

>>742552180
We believe that healthcare shouldn't be handled by the government. It must be run by businesses who make profits from diseased people.

>>742558567
What drug did you take? You clearly have some sort of megalomania.

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>>742558624

are you really giving up this quickly? also, I don't think that word means what you think it means.

>>742552180
Fundamental Capitalism

>>742558756
You got huge delusions of grandiosity.
You're also narcissistic.

You're not answering my question, what drug did you take?

>>742558900
*You're not answering my question: what drug did you take?

>>742558900

None.

You're not answering my question: what drug did you take?

>>742558448
People think about cost on an individual level. They do not want to foot the bill for another individual who is not willing to pay into the system. No one likes being the person at work who does most of the work while their coworkers play on their phones. It's the same principal with taxing us for socialized medicine.

If we were to invent a robot that could fix health issues, that might be a game changer. Though the capitalists would say that the inventor/manufacturers should continue to make money ad infinitum. The socialists would say that no one should have to pay for it ever. The middle ground might eventually end up more as a pay until the costs are recouped, but there is a strong argument against that as well. There are plenty of toll roads/bridges in the US that were set up and the promise was once they recouped the losses, the toll would go away, but it never did. Governments loathe losing an income source.

There are 320 million people in the US. Less than 2 million in the US military, including active reserves. Roughly another 2 million in the police forces across the US. There are an estimated 270 to 310 million privately owned firearms in the US. Pretty sure we have them grossly outnumbered.

You assume that private citizens would not accept the risk, but you also assume that every police officer and military member would side against them. You cannot legitimately assume both premises. The fact would be that many would not arm themselves and many in the armed forces and police forces would oppose the government. Regardless, the numbers would be overwhelmingly against the establishment.

>>742552180
>ITT: Things Americans actually believe

>USA is a democracy
>the civil war was about slavery
>the confederate flag is about heritage

>>742559039
You're either lying or you got some psychiatric problem.

>>742555896
>http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/black-market-guns-triple-in-price-20141013-115f08.html
well done, mate

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>>742556674
>triggered amerifag defending retarded system

>>742556462
>freely and easily use both
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/01/news/mn-17288

Literally LOLing

>>742559320

Yup. And I'm betting you've never made a math error. Glad you're going to solve all our math related enigmas for us over the next couple months. I eagerly await your name in the the scientific journals.

Of course, it was a stupid mistake, but we're human and we do that. If you are not from the US, what exactly has your people done in space? Did you guys land your Mars rover? What did your people contribute to the ISS? How is your Hubble doing? If your people DID get up the ISS, how did they get there?

We do make mistakes, but hey, we can function with both and you seem incapable of understanding them.

>>742552180
>muh guns kill people don't

kys

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>>>742552180
>Freeeeeedom

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>>742557081
Yes goyim theyre the jews

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>>742552180

>>742559581
It happens often. Especially in architecture.
The fact you said it is converted easily is patently false.

Also, protip, most of your NASA accomplishments were "stolen" achievements from foreign staff. If it weren't for tax breaks, you'd have nothing.
Just general inventions as well.

How's that shuttle working out for you btw?

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>>742552180
What Amerifats believe...

>>742559041

>People think about cost on an individual level. They do not want to foot the bill for another individual who is not willing to pay into the system. No one likes being the person at work who does most of the work while their coworkers play on their phones. It's the same principal with taxing us for socialized medicine.

but with socialized medicine, it isn't just the "undeserving" that get the help. you, the taxpayer, also receive the medicine. while I agree with you that "nobody likes being the person at work who does most of the work [etc]" I also think that anyone who is being fairly compensated for their work should stop whining about what other people get. furthermore, in social medicine, BOTH parties receive healthcare and YOU the taxpayer receive money from the job you work, as well as (hopefully) a sense of satisfaction from being employed. before you being talking about "welfare" I want to preemptively point out that social welfare is largely a state issue, so it varies all over the US in terms of how strict it is.

>If we were to invent a robot that could fix health issues, that might be a game changer....[etc]

thanks for being honest and conceding the point, unlike the original guy I was talking to.

>the rest of your post

it is not an issue of numbers. these "militias" would not have access to a lot of resources that would be required to go toe-to-toe with the standing military of a tyrannical government.

so I want to ask, what constitutes a tyranny in your mind? you seem to imply that you don't think they would have the majority control of the military, nor would they command power among the majority of citizens.

>>742552180
>free health care kills assault weapons
>don't kill

Nigga I may be drunk but what the fuck did you say to me you little bitch

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>>742559851
Vs. Reality

>>742559820
Well, it ran for 30 years and did 133 successful missions. I'd say it did a hell of a lot better than anything your country did. And I don't even need to know what country you are from; if you aren't from America, your country never ran anything in space that successful.

>>742560031
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Dornberger

Shut up.
He is the reason your NASA and precious space shuttle is even where it is today.

>>742555324
Gun nuts are so retarded.
>hurrhurr criminals break laws so laws shouldn't exist!

Yeah, let's make murder and theft legal because criminals murder and steal anyway!

>>742559989

and then my favorite part is, that people seem to think criminals manufacture their guns in underground gun labs.

the number one item that gets stolen in a home invasion is the guns. if the guns aren't available to the general population, it cuts off the supply to the criminals as well.

>>742553885
Alright next time you phone 911 make sure you pay the services before hand.

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>>742560127
>if the guns aren't available to the general population, it cuts off the supply to the criminals as well

>>742560127
Yep, we totally don't border that failed state mexico, and they definitely dont have cartels that love to sell our less than upright citizens things.

Poof, supply gone. Wow, such a grand plan.

>>742559921
Private health care also gives you the healthcare you need and does not make you pay for someone who is not helping to pay in. That system rewards people to do not pay in and penalizes people who do. The cost remains the same, but as the amount of people paying in goes down, the cost per person paying in goes up. And why pay in when you can get it for free without having to? People are lazy and it is a recurring theme in our society that people will do as little as possible to get what they need/want.

Fair compensation for work..... well, if I'm doing half of the work, and you are doing half the work, we should be paid the same, correct. But what if you are doing half the work, I'm doing 10% of the work and 4 other anons are doing 10% of the work? The fact is, in most circumstances, we are all being paid the same. I would argue that in the example above, you are not being fairly compensated for your work. You should get 50% of the pay, while myself and the 4 other lazy ass anons get 10% each. But that's not how it works out, and that would reflect in our propensity to do as little as possible and receive as much as we can.

All over the world, small groups of insurgents manage to stave off much larger governmental forces. The fact of the matter is that every military base in the US could be overrun by the people within 24 hours. I'm not saying that they would, logistically, we could not organize our population that well, but numbers matter, and we do not lack firepower. Those resources can be taken when a base is overrun. A simple war of attrition would win it. Our odds are 80:1 in our favor.

What constitutes tyranny in my mind is irrelevant to our discussion. Our discussion is philosophical in nature and asking me to define tyranny is attempting to bring it into banal reality. I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm answering your questions.

I do not believe any occupational group would side with one side. We are a divided culture.

>>742560260

and you don't think that the price of guns on the black market would increase because they have to be imported from a money hungry cartel?

but more to the point, think of it as a tool for law enforcement. if they pull someone over, and he has a gun in the car, chances are pretty good that person is a criminal if gun ownership isn't as common as it is now.

>>742554589
This, it's hilarious how Amerifats claim they need them for self-defense yet want bloody assault rifles.

>>742560088
Yes, one man created rocketry.

It must be difficult to be so willfully dense.

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>>742554996

>>742552180
>things americans actually believe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attraction_(New_Thought)

Everytime I hear an American talk about new thought it makes me want to genocide the whole country.

>>742560644
He created the foundations for modern rocketry, not rocketry period.

Next you'll tell me the ISS was American.

God forbid you say Internet. Oh lawdy lawdy.

>>742560127
Americans think that smuggling arms into the US is easy, and ignore that according to the FBI only 2% of gun crime is made with military grade weapons, while 98% is made with civilian weapons of which nearly all is made and sold in the US.

>>742560498
You're just spouting shit. You know nothing about America or it's military bases OR the defenses lined up to protect them.

Just stop.

>>742560761
Wow, someone did something that eventually someone else did something with to make it better? How fucking revolutionary. Of course knowledge is built as a foundation going forward, you fucking tool. Without the Chinese using gunpowder, we'd never have had a knowledge of how to use chemical reactions to create thrust. Who fucking cares? The Chinese did not put a shuttle into space 133 times. The US did that.

>>OMG, someone did something that you took and did better, you deserve no credit.

It must be terribly difficult to be that fucking dumb.

>>742560585
I mean, you would think drugs from mexico would be expensive, but they aren't.

And true, it would work as a "tool" for law enforcement, as long as we don't go the british route of disarming police.

But honestly, the outlaw of guns just isn't feasible in this country. The country was born from war, and the new government formed under the wary eye of people who just had a bad time with powerful governments.

While gun ownership definitely causes deaths that could be avoided, its ingrained in the culture of the country, and it serves an important role weighing one side of an invisible balance between people and their government.

>>742560943
Is the space shuttle the ultimate measure of scientific achievement?

>>742555223
>drastic reduction in gun deaths
Yes but a massive increase in crime with other weapons. London currently has a knife crime epidemic not to mention the vehicle based attacks.

On the eighth of may this year in the preceeding two weeks eleven people were stabbed in london
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/08/roll-call-of-death-map-shows-how-widespread-knife-crime-is-across-london-6623074/amp/

Also there was that documentary on channel five a while back about British gangs and plenty of them had illegal guns (in this case the main ones I remember seeing were several handguns which aren't legal without modification to make it classifiable as a rifle) https://youtu.be/XLL7BrxpVp8 (a clip from it, has the name of the documentary if you want to find it)

29th of April 2017, seven days six stabbings
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/knife-crime-14-gang-warfare-becoming-embedded-culture/amp/

In here there is an infrographic about the levels of recorded 'violence against the person' crimes based on ONS (office of national statistics) data. (Yes I am aware its from year ending 2016 data.)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/12/britain-hit-surge-violent-crime-senior-officers-criticised-ignoring/

>>742561020
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/crimeinenglandandwalesbulletintables
(table 9A from year ending September 2016)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/knifecrime

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gun-and-knife-crime-soaring-in-london-official-figures-show-a3513366.html?amp

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiA8MjkiePVAhXhDsAKHe3KBacQFghqMAc&usg=AFQjCNGlgsW5l0cow8IgkVlO8ijVSOCaiA

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/official-figures-show-biggest-rise-crime-in-a-decade
Levels of police officers have fallen

Year ending march 2017 crime has risen
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/official-figures-show-biggest-rise-crime-in-a-decade

The guardians attempt to catalogue all teenage knife deaths.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/28/beyond-the-blade-the-truth-about-knife-in-britain

https://www.theguardian.com/membership/series/beyond-the-blade

General increase in crime
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/19/crime-figures-show-and-knife-offences-rising-ons-england-wales

2016 crime increases
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-39729601

>>742560866
Yeah, I certainly did not live next to Camp Pendleton for 28 years. And I did not have plenty of Marine friends who served there and certainly never visited the LARGEST MARINE BASE IN THE WORLD uncounted times. And I certainly have never had hundreds of aquantances and friends who served in every branch of the military including the shitty Coast Guard and never served myself. But hey, glad you know what I've done with my life on your side of the screen.

Way to assume like a giant fucking faggot.

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>>742555223

>Countries that enacted strict controls over gun ownership saw drastic reductions in gun deaths.

You don`t know shit m8.

>>742560943
Yet it doesn't change the fact that your claim to fame is all built on foreign knowledge and skills.

Any ACTUAL American inventions end up being heavily limited in scope or usefulness, and downright dangerous in some cases.
Some of them weren't useful until many MANY years after they were created because we simply lacked the means to make use of the concept.
See AC vs DC vs HVDC.

>>742561020
>London currently has a knife crime epidemic not to mention the vehicle based attacks.
Yeah, because of unrestrained mass immigration and being soft on terrorists you retard.

>>742560105
That's not what that guy said. They said that gun free zones stop nothing. At no point did he say lets stop laws.

>>742555996

That`s one of the few bad things abous united states of burgers.

>>742560498

please be assured that I am reading everything, I just don't want to repost everything but need to organize for clarity.

>Private health

the problem with your argument is that you assume all healthcare is equal and available. a manager at a wealthy company might have a "gold package" that covers everything, but what about the man on the factory floor who works 40 hours a week but does not have access to company health care because they drop him to 36 hours every two weeks in order to keep him as "part time" and thus avoid the mandate to provide healthcare? this man, if he needs to get health care, would have to go outside the company and buy it. I will use my brother as an example: the cheapest package he can get in our state wants him to pay 170 USD a month with a 2000 USD deductible. so unless he incurs more than 2000 USD in medical bills for the year, he has to pay for all of his medicine out of pocket and still pay the company 170 USD. also, a lot of coverage doesn't exist in that package since it is so cheap.

I do not think it is moral for a society to allow a man to die on the street from a treatable ailment simply because he "didn't pay in." its like the fire department letting your house burn down because you were delinquent in paying last years taxes.

>Fair compensation for work

if you aren't being paid for the work you do, then you aren't being fairly compensated. if you speak with your employer about the issue and he does not increase your pay, then decrease the work you do to the level of your peers. if you "get fired" because of it, then you are better off not working for that company since they will not reward you for your work.

>All over the world

they only manage to do so because of support they receive from outside sources. furthermore, in most cases, these people are fighting against a poorly funded and poorly armed government in their borderline 3rd world country. this is the USA we are talking about, drones and all.

>>742561109
Never said it wasn't. I was merely showing that gun control stops almost nothing and increases other crimes.

>>742552180
Listen Healthcare is Socialism.
If you see another American die, its your patriotic duty to not help him. Everybody for himself. The American Dream.

>>742561219
>Never said it wasn't. I was merely showing that gun control stops almost nothing and increases other crimes.
You were implying it was caused by gun control. Nice try retard.

>>742555223
only a swedish retard could make this comment.

I'd wait for your response but I'd imagine you either being raped by Mohammad now or ran over by poor innocent refugee.

>>742560979

drugs from mexico are cheap because drug production is cheap and it competes with drugs made here in the US. if we totally stopped making drugs in the US, do you really think Mexican drugs would remain cheap?

honestly, anon, everything else you said is defeatist. "oh well, that's the way things were and will always be so no use in trying." and it is not an "invisible balance" between the people and the government; this isn't 1775 when all it takes is some drunk farmers with their granddads flintlock to organize under a yellow flag taking pot shots at military columns from the safety of the trees.

>>742555056
4 Chan used to be better at least not filled with all this faggot shit

>>742561556
I see you're new to 4chan.

>>742561361

>it was caused by gun control

Kinda.

Bunch of rapugees + no guns/knives among locals = brits are fucked.

>t. not him

>>742561739
>trying this hard to make it about guns
Rednecks are really this desperate

>>742561471
>drugs from mexico are cheap because drug production is cheap and it competes with drugs made here in the US. if we totally stopped making drugs in the US, do you really think Mexican drugs would remain cheap?
You have a fifth grader's understanding of economics. Good luck in life.

>>742561361
Well gun control certainly doesn't help and especially not refusing to arm the police except after terror attacks. The documentary "inside the gang: young blood" shows that despite all the laws kids can still get guns in this country. While gun control will decrease the majority of gun based crime (never completely but close) it will cause other weapon based crimes to go up. This is the unfortunate reality. **People who want to commit crimes with weapons will always find a weapon.** See the knife control failing to stop knife crime.

I am not saying there shouldn't be restrictions on guns. I think requiring a licence and mandatory background check for yourself and all family members as well as a home check to make sure your guns will be secure should be in place. In the UK we need a licence to own guns. This is fair.

>>742562047
If they didn't allow unrestrained mass immigration, the amount of knife attacks would drop significantly.

The "criminals still do it anyway so banning is stupid" meme is retarded. Criminals still steal, so I guess making stealing illegal is pointless and just punishing law-abiding citizens who don't get free stuff.

>>742562047

>we need a licence to own guns. This is fair.

I can agree with that. But your restrictions on knives and guns are way too harsh.

>>742562210

Bitch please.

Making stealing illegal will only harm those who steal. Making knives/guns illegal will only harm law-abiding citizens.

>>742553137
Kek
Perfect example of american grammar

>own WASR-10 for about a decade
>0 kills

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>>742562441
>Making stealing illegal will only harm those who steal.

American women are hot as if "American" is an ethnicity.

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>>742556359
>implying blacks are not master race

>>742562822
I chuckled

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Julius Evola haunts the White House.

>>742555324
Kindly explain then, fucktard why criminals in the UK and Ireland don't have tons and tons of guns and bullets and run rampaging unchecked through the countryside.

I'll wait.

>>742555610
Damn, you found his one weakness. Asking for actual facts from a reputable source!

Damn liberals!

>>742564019
Indeed.
It makes it FAR easier to identify criminals - basically anyone with a gun = criminal.

It's ridiculously simple...so no wonder Ameritards can't understand it